• http://twitter.com/jasonpaulhayes jasonpaulhayes

    That is a gross understatement … as I’ve said before and will again, America is literally facing the rise of the 4th Reich !

    The Republican Party has literally become the party for Global War and Religious Conquest. Mega-Corporations are pairing up with bought off Cocaine addicted leaders of Mega-Churches to disseminate marching orders against any sort of Constitutional approach to Foreign or Domestic Policy. Bachmann is working with the NAR (New Apolitical Reformation) to literally bring about Armageddon as some sort of self proclaimed Apostle while running “Pray Away The Gay” Torture Clinics. She is on video starting rallies by yelling “WHO LIKES WHITE PEOPLE?” and saying Black Americans had it better when they were Slaves. Perry is whipping out his Pistol calling any opposition “Treasonous”, holding Rain Dance type Prayer Rallies in recognition that Texas is burning while at the same time denying Climate Change. Not to mention his Republican base cheering him for killing over 200 people on Death Row (some exonerated) …. it’s way off the Weird Shit-O-Meter.

    Where once Limbaugh was the Radio and TV voice of the Republican Party its now become Alex Jones with multicultural rants that could be right out of Anders Breivick’s 2083 Manifesto. Republicans are being told a Secular “New World Order” (a term coined for Republican Foreign Policy) is coming for their Religion, coming for their Guns, that The Illuminati along with Adam Weishaupt’s Ghost run the Masonic Order, the C.I.A. takes drugs to communicate and take orders from Demons, the EPA is poisoning the Water and Food, Doctors are putting Mercury, Cancer and Liquid Retardation in Vaccines, God is coming to bring the “End Times” etc, etc, etc.

    How Long before Martial Law is declared, UN Troops are in America to keep Black Americans out of Chains, Gays from being tortured and Secularists from being hanged?

  • jasonpaulhayes

    That is a gross understatement … as I’ve said before and will again, America is literally facing the rise of the 4th Reich !

    The Republican Party has literally become the party for Global War and Religious Conquest. Mega-Corporations are pairing up with bought off Cocaine addicted leaders of Mega-Churches to disseminate marching orders against any sort of Constitutional approach to Foreign or Domestic Policy. Bachmann is working with the NAR (New Apolitical Reformation) to literally bring about Armageddon as some sort of self proclaimed Apostle while running “Pray Away The Gay” Torture Clinics. She is on video starting rallies by yelling “WHO LIKES WHITE PEOPLE?” and saying Black Americans had it better when they were Slaves. Perry is whipping out his Pistol calling any opposition “Treasonous”, holding Rain Dance type Prayer Rallies in recognition that Texas is burning while at the same time denying Climate Change. Not to mention his Republican base cheering him for killing over 200 people on Death Row (some exonerated) …. it’s way off the Weird Shit-O-Meter.

    Where once Limbaugh was the Radio and TV voice of the Republican Party its now become Alex Jones with multicultural rants that could be right out of Anders Breivick’s 2083 Manifesto. Republicans are being told a Secular “New World Order” (a term coined for Republican Foreign Policy) is coming for their Religion, coming for their Guns, that The Illuminati along with Adam Weishaupt’s Ghost run the Masonic Order, the C.I.A. takes drugs to communicate and take orders from Demons, the EPA is poisoning the Water and Food, Doctors are putting Mercury, Cancer and Liquid Retardation in Vaccines, God is coming to bring the “End Times” etc, etc, etc.

    How Long before Martial Law is declared, UN Troops are in America to keep Black Americans out of Chains, Gays from being tortured and Secularists from being hanged?

    • Hadrian999

      if anyone has to depend on UN troops to keep them out of chains they are fucked

      • Anarchy Pony

        Yeah, they more often seem to do the opposite.

  • Simiantongue

    I always wanted to do a few short animated skits, picture this.

    A familiar bar scene from cheers, last few lines from the theme song,  in comes Chomsky, he’s shuffling to a bar stool and everyone yells “NOAM!”. Then Noam lets fly briefly with some commentary like in this video. Approximating one of Norm’s usual witticisms in cheers, except it’s meaningful and not droll dumbwittery.  I don’t know, if it was animated right like Family Guy or something. Pfft! hilarious. I crack me up.

  • Simiantongue

    I always wanted to do a few short animated skits, picture this.

    A familiar bar scene from cheers, last few lines from the theme song,  in comes Chomsky, he’s shuffling to a bar stool and everyone yells “NOAM!”. Then Noam lets fly briefly with some commentary like in this video. Approximating one of Norm’s usual witticisms in cheers, except it’s meaningful and not droll dumbwittery.  I don’t know, if it was animated right like Family Guy or something. Pfft! hilarious. I crack me up.

    • Redacted

      I think thats the first time I’ve seen “Family Guy” and “hilarious” in the same paragraph. 

      • Simiantongue

        You still haven’t really. I meant my idea was hilarious, not Family Guy.

        • Butter Knife

          I think you just gave us some compelling evidence in favor of an article disinfo ran earlier this month:

           http://www.disinfo.com/2011/09/creativity-is-vomit-poison-and-agony-to-most/

          Congratulations.(?)

    • Anarchy Pony

      That does sound like it would be pretty good.

  • Hadrian999

    if anyone has to depend on UN troops to keep them out of chains they are fucked

  • Hadrian999

    if anyone has to depend on UN troops to keep them out of chains they are fucked

  • Anonymous

    I think thats the first time I’ve seen “Family Guy” and “hilarious” in the same paragraph. 

  • Anonymous

    I think thats the first time I’ve seen “Family Guy” and “hilarious” in the same paragraph. 

  • Simiantongue

    You still haven’t really. I meant my idea was hilarious, not Family Guy.

  • oz_house

    uhhh, how is banker bailouts, a government full of Goldman Sachs, ignoring the highest white collar crime, big pharma insurance cons, an expansion of wars that was never approved of by congress, overthrowing of leaders, an expansion of the patriot act, an expansion of the Orwellian state, spending more than you earn, pandering to lobbyists, creating a fascist super congress, allowing trillions to go ‘missing’, totally licking the boots of Bernanke, allowing CIA to go military, locking up whistleblowers, forcing journalists to give their sources, allowing GE to pay no taxes and then hire their CEO as your jobs czar…I seriously could go on and on and on and on…How is this left wing Democrat behavior sane? Democracy Now and Chomsky are left wing approved shills there to keep you going in left-right circles forever. Yes the GOP is insane. So are the Dems. Chomsky even works for a branch of the military industrial complex.

    Left and right are just two wings on one bird of prey.

    http://www.ozhouse.org

    • Tuna Ghost

      Bear in mind that Chomsky is so far left he’s completely off the mainstream spectrum.  In America, the left isn’t really “the left”, it’s more moderate, middle of the road than anything.  He criticizes the current administration and previous democratic administrations (Clinton’s, for instance, is mentioned often) as well.  

      • oz_house

        The military industrial complex has a shill for every type of dissident. Yes he’s more left than the Dems. But ask him about 911 or JFK and

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7SPm-HFYLo

        you get the CIA answer.

        He is an approved shill to lead a large contingent of well meaning but not awake to the Orwellian system lefties into disinfo. The guy works for MIT and has pictures of Bertrand Russell in his office who totally advocated a scientific authoritarian dictatorship. They think they are so smart and so superior they should tell the rabble – us -  how to serve them best. Russell, Huxley’s, Chomsky…they want their Brave New World.

        http://www.ozhouse.org

        • Tuna Ghost

          Re: 9/11, he echoes my own opinions perfectly.  As for JFK, I don’t know his view and don’t particularly care.  Tell me you’re not using his opinions on 9/11 as a litmus test for his credibility.  

          The guy works for MIT and has pictures of Bertrand Russell in his office who totally advocated a scientific authoritarian dictatorship.

          So what if he has a picture of Bertrand Russell?  I also have a great deal of respect for Russell.  His and Whitehead’s Principia Mathematica is an amazing work (although their claims were eventually defeated by Godel’s famous theory), and he was an important empiricist.  Many of my favorite authors are also empiricist’s like him–Daniel Dennett and Douglas Hofstatder, to name a few.  If by “scientific authoritarian dictatorship” you mean no longer allowing superstitions from bygone eras to reign over our modern conception of morals, which is what Hostatder and Chomsky have both proposed numerous times, then I’m all for it.  

          They think they are so smart and so superior they should tell the rabble – us -  how to serve them best. Russell, Huxley’s, Chomsky…they want their Brave New World.

          You sound pretty bitter.  What exactly has given you this opinion?  Where are you getting this bit about Huxley?  I’m not sure you’ve got your facts straight here.

          • oz_house

            Here is some of your Russell –

            “Scientific
            societies are as yet in their infancy. . . . It is to be expected that
            advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more
            control over individual mentality than they now have even in
            totalitarian countries. Fitche laid it down that education should aim at
            destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they
            shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or
            acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . .
            Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early
            age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the
            authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers
            that be will become psychologically impossible. . . .
            Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences
            between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost
            different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as
            an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating
            mutton.”
            – Bertrand Russell, “The Impact of Science on Society”, 1953, pg 49-50

            If you are not aware, how can you understand? If you read the wikipedia page for Russell, it makes him sound like a saint of course…You should read Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World. It’s a classic from 1933. I am sure you would have heard of 1984, but this came before it and has a slightly different point of view. Aldous’s brother was Julian Huxley…first director of UNESCO and a prominent member of the British Eugenics Society like all the elitist scumbags of his day… Received medals for his promotion of eugenics from the Royal Society.

            Hitler even wrote a fan letter to American eugenic leader Madison Grant calling
            his race-based eugenics book, The Passing of the Great Race his “bible.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley

            Julian Huxley (1887-1975) | First director of UNESCO, brother of Aldous.

            “Political unification in some sort of world government will be
            required… Even though… any radical eugenic policy will be for many
            years
            politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for
            UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest
            care, and
            that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much
            that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”  Taken from UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy.

            Some more Russell

            “…impregnation will be regarded in an entirely different manner, more in
            the light of a surgical operation, so that it will be thought not
            ladylike to have it performed in the natural manner.” – and when you read brave new world you will understand why they are saying this stuff…

            “The new ethic which is gradually growing in connection with scientific
            technique will have its eye upon society rather than upon the
            individual. It will have little use for the superstition of guilt and
            punishment, but will be prepared to make individuals suffer for the
            public good without inventing reasons purporting to show that they
            deserve to suffer”

            WAKE UP and smell the ruling class tyranny…your Chomsky knows all about Russell, the eugenics and authoritarian views…but you don’t….and then you think I am the fool…

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

            They don’t teach you this stuff at school, for OBVIOUS reasons.

            All the best

          • Jin The Ninja

            Positing Libertarian Socialism as even on the same wavelength as the dems and suggesting Chomsky works for the ‘Military-Industrial complex’ (nice repeat of the alex jones show btw) shows you to be less informed than you believe yourself to be.

            Eugenics was a complicated indefensible issue, but encompasses many mainstream and radical characters from american history. To use it as a strawman in order to attack someone’s character is total bS, use proper arguements as to why he is wrong, and since he has a MULTITUDE of positions i expect to see a long post in the future using reasoning and logic.

          • oz_house

            I am no fanboy of Alex Jones and Oswald was a patsy long before Jones came onto the scene. If you go to my site you will see plenty of pro Palestinian material that Jones would disagree with. You kind of have your own strawman thing going on there using a false assumption to attack me. ‘Mmmm, skilled in the art of debate you are’ I say in a Yoda voice.

            You read the Russell quotes – To you, if Hitler does it, its tyranny, but if Russell does it? ‘It’s complicated’. You want me to trust a man who admires this and puts photo’s of the scum on his wall? You simply call it a strawman to deflect the argument because you don’t ‘believe’ it’s even remotely possible Chomsky could be a shill.

            But if you have pictures of people like Russell or Hitler on your wall, I am not going to trust you either. It’s common sense. If you admire these people knowing full well who they were and what they stood for, then you yourself cannot be much better.

            Here you are saying its complicated that the elite think they are god and want to sterilize people they deem unfit in a bid to shape society to how they see fit. Its not complicated at all. WHO DIED AND MADE THEM KING? You are an apologist for the criminal intellectual ruling class. ‘It’s complicated’ is the oldest trick in the book. An average man of average intelligence has more than enough brain power to know what is freedom and what is tyranny if he chooses to break his shackles and learn. You don’t need to be Yale alumni to understand how you are being ruled.

            People like yourself are the reason for the most part that the world has never been free from a tyrannical ruling class. You reason away clear wrong into “It’s complicated” for the blithering idiot to lap up and think you’re smart. Your intellectual masturbation is taking us straight down the road to a brave new world and I sir do not consent. Keep taking your soma and jerking your brain. I’ll be on the dissident island with no soma and my free humanity.

          • Jin The Ninja

            You sound totally brainwashed by alex jones with your charges of an  “elite/corrupt intellectual class”…

            people should disagree with ideologies and FORMS of thought, not with the act of thinking.

            I despise eugenics- I am a PoC and pro-feminist- it is contrary to my entire epistemological paradigm.

            I am also highly anti-hierarchy, consider myself an intellectual anarchist/ municipalist.

            And again you attempted to use Russell whom i never defended nor asserted to like in any way, as way to characterise my opinions.

            Huxley by the way, is considered to be one of the best anti-authoritarian dystopian sci fi writers of all time, much has been written on the relationship between dystopian sci fi/speculative fiction and anarchism. An anarchist society is free from tyranny- and Brave New World was subversive in that it also contained themes that were very much rebellion against a a dystopic future
            Being literature, themes are not the overt plot or story rather contained questions or memes used to convey the author’s intent.

          • oz_house

            Alex Jones did not coin those terms. Enough with your AJ strawman. I am not sure about Aldous, but his brother was pursuing a socialist world government and I do not trust the man. That is my view and it is certainly far from ludicrous even if you disagree.

            I will repeat what I said to the previous person –

            1. Chomsky admires Russell enough to put a photo of the goon on his wall.
            2. Russell might as well have tattooed NAZI on his forehead.
            3. The world IS complicated – but rejecting eugenics and its advocates is no rocket science.
            4. My views on Chomsky do not come from Alex Jones…I was kind of starting to get into Chomsky – until I saw Russell on his wall.
            5. What is the REAL picture? Enlighten me o wise one?

          • Jin The Ninja

            Nice copy and paste.

            Chomsky is Jewish, so i am 100% certain he would not have a nazi on his wall.

            Eugenics is like Slavery (in a historical context): abhorrent, but that does not mean people who are historically significant did not practice either. On the contrary should we completely dismiss Jefferson because he a slave owner? No.

            The line about Chomsky working for the MIC comes right from an AJ show, where of course AJ the coward, spits it out right after he interviews chomsky for 20 mins. right as they were hanging up.

            Link to me your proof of this one world “socialist” gov’t. Or rather because Chomsky is a libertarian-socialist you have derived a straw-man arguement against him (which btw does not prove the things he says in ANY way false).

            Although you may “believe” your views, they do in fact seem “ludicrous” to an outsider.

          • oz_house

            Nice copy and paste? I did that because I didn’t want to type out the same thing again – I am arguing with more than 1 person here….you are arguing with 1 person. For a second, I thought I had sent that to someone else. Don’t be a childish dick.

            You obviously admire Chomsky. I am no fanboy of Alex ‘I talk about tyranny all day but ignore Palestine and Jefferson ‘Jones and I am no fan of any man who admires Russell and that includes Chomsky.

            As far as Jefferson goes….well, that’s where Alex fails isn’t it? The guy was full of it. Its all fine to have freedom for the wealthy as long as you have an underclass of slaves to do your bidding according to Jefferson.
             
            I don’t care about Alex Jones. Get that into your skull. If you repeat that strawman one more time I am not going to bother responding to you anymore.

            1948 – UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy by Fabian Socialist Sir Julian Huxley is published in which he proclaims that UNESCO “…In its education program it can stress the ultimate need for world political unity and familiarize all peoples with the implications of the transfer of full sovereignty from separate nations to a world organization…”

            The guy went into UNESCO with the aim of using it to promote a one world government agenda in his OWN WORDS. His brother wrote Brave New World. Coincidence? maybe…but probably not. If forced to make a call I would say it is no coincidence.

            Now, you can ignore it, or you can go investigate more….the choice is yours. The views are only ludicrous to those unaware of the agenda. I didn’t create eugenics. I didn’t create a ruling class. Sorry if you can’t face the truth. Why don’t you get some crayons and color in a government 911 propaganda children’s book. Seems to be at your level. Reality is too hardcore for you.

            “We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest.” James Warburg (Feb. 17, 1950, to the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations)[1]

          • Jin The Ninja

            I cannot argue with the fact Julian was a fabian socialist. I personally see much less harm in that than i do the re-currant strands of fascism that crop up in British History.  However, as you characterise the nature of UNESCO is not my historical reading of it.  So what is the problem is socialism, since you’ve now made it you’re raison d’etre?

            I am not ignoring Russell, on the contrary, I am simply asserting that you are attempting to equate chomsky with russell which is unequivocably false.

            Ad Hominems make a troll. Just so you know;)

          • oz_house

            Now we are getting somewhere. That quote from Julian Huxley is verifiable for yourself if you go get the UNESCO book. Don’t take my word for it.

            The problem with socialism is that there are not many angels and king Arthur’s that levitate to power. Psychopaths tend to do that – by mainstream psychology standards. Simply take a look at the Republican and Democrat parties for proof.

            Creating a more powerful government/big brother will only lead to a more totalitarian state. Orwell tried to warn us. I am not 100% sure Aldous was ‘warning’ people by looking at his brother.

            In Zeitgeist 3, I saw a push for a utopian socialist society. But no mention at all on who are the angels that will run it. What are we going to do? Hand it over to a computer?

            If you simply look at the system we have now and ask yourself – Do I think it is a good idea to allow this ruling class to gain power over the entire globe? Surely a good hearted rational man would come to the conclusion that these people have caused so much bloodshed, pain and misery throughout the ages in their desire for power that giving them the keys to a world government is a bad idea?

            If I had a pic of Hitler on my wall would you trust me?

            Russell is on the same level.

          • Anarchy Pony

            Why do you assume that we are pushing for a centralized republican(meaning the form of democracy in which one elects others to represent them in a body politic, and is highly susceptible to corruption) global socialist government(kind of a contradiction)? Neither I nor Jin advocate such a system, Noam Chomsky doesn’t really advocate such a thing either. And even if some historical figure may have, and that is considered undesirable, it doesn’t mean that all they may have to say should be discarded out of hand. 

          • oz_house

            hey, I don’t think you are bad guys or that you are pushing for a one world government. We are slowly being lead there whether we like it or not. Its not going to happen in sixty seconds. Its a very slow, fabian process.

            Have you heard of the Lima declaration? In the 70′s we agreed to wind down our production by 30% and import 30% from the developing world in ‘another UN treaty’. They gave all the loving ‘we want to help the poor people’ reasons. What actually happened? They shifted almost ALL our manufacturing and production to the 3rd world where they could exploit slavery. It hasn’t helped them and it hasn’t helped us. It has only helped the ruling class. They will always tell you their loving socialist intentions. But their actions speak differently. A world government run by these people will sound wonderful, but it will be a nightmare.

            Chomsky may not advocate it openly – but if he admires a psycho who does and tries to tell me the CIA line on JFK and 911, then I just don’t trust him. He has had a pretty prestigious career with the MIC for a dissident – another smoking gun…

            Would you trust me if I had a pic of Hitler on the wall? Russell is no different.

            I reserve the right to be wary of Chomsky.

          • Tuna Ghost

            Are wary of Chomsky because he looks like a walking cadaver?  Or because he sounds like one? 

          • Jin The Ninja

            You can be wary of Chomsky only if you can fully articulate his points (and thus refute them). Read something and come back and try again.

          • oz_house

            You apparently judge a man purely on the words that come out of his mouth or pen – I have a 1 word reply for you on that point brainiac – politician.

            Read something? Piss weak reply. I think you know I have read ‘something’. Plus, it’s not just reading, it’s what you read. A man who reads nothing but newspapers is usually a cretin despite the vast amounts of reading.

            You still didnt answer the question even though I typed it twice – Would you trust me or a man you didn’t know personally if we had a Hitler photo on the office wall? YES OR NO?

            Try and say yes…then get a haircut so you can see what you are saying man.

          • Jin The Ninja

            Russell is not hitler. Chomsky is Jewish. You haven’t read his work. Nice strawman alex jr. Typical neo-libertarian bullshit. The funny thing is chomsky is more a libertarian and more conscious of the class struggle than you wil ever be.

          • oz_house

            I question your ethics. But we already learned you are an apologist.

            Perhaps if Russell was put in charge of Germany’s government he may have behaved in a similar fashion, just without the specific targeting of Jews.

            I am not typical anything. Just because I question Chomsky you accuse me of being an Alex Jones lover, a neo-libertarian and you say my argument is a strawman. You have used a strawman consistently in our debate trying to make things about left and right. Russell was a raving lunatic psychopath period. This has nothing to do with Alex Jones and the Libertarian squad. It is my view that some things the left say are good, some of the right is also good. My views are probably more free market anarchism. If you want to make this a BS left right thing and say I am on the far right that is your opinion but I would urge you to rethink this left right politics rubbish. Do you think wars are bad? So does Jones! You must be an Alex Jones lover…

            Chomsky admires a ruling class PSYCHOPATH and repeats CIA propaganda. So I don’t think he’s the dissident that you do.

            This conversation is over, we have made our points in a reasonable fashion and we disagree. To keep going is the definition of insanity.

            All the best.

          • Jin The Ninja

            If you choose not to reply, that is fine.

            My ethics ? lol on what basis? Your strawman attacks are nil and voided by the lack of substantiation. I have not one time in ANY post defended russell. Continuous mis characterisation of my words makes me question your INTENTIONS on posting on this board. Chomsky is pro-palestine btw, something you assert to also believe in. Chomsky repeats CIA propaganda? example? And chomsky is a dissident- look it up- HUNDREDS of papers, books and documents about Neo-Imperialist america, democracy and Anarcho-Syndicalism. FBI watchlist etc.

            Don’t be daft. read a Book!

          • Jin The Ninja

            And yes the measure of an ACADEMIC is the work he produces. Something you’d obviously know very little about.

          • Jin The Ninja

            So i have AZN hair- I AM AzN- get over it.

          • Tuna Ghost

            You really see nothing wrong with equating Russell with Hitler?  

          • Nobodyknows

            so your only issue with Chomsky is that photograph? What are your thoughts on “Manufacturing Consent?”

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            “People like yourself are the reason for the most part that the world has never been free from a tyrannical ruling class. You reason away clear wrong into “It’s complicated” for the blithering idiot to lap up and think you’re smart.”

            No, people like you who refuse to accept that anything could BE complicated is the problem. You fall under the age old trap of demanding an “other” to explain away all the evils in the world, when in fact the world IS complicated; complicated way beyond your narrow perceptions.

            You need to learn how to divine the ideas and beliefs of the people that you don’t like, only then will you start to see the real picture…

          • oz_house

            1. Chomsky admires Russell enough to put a photo of the goon on his wall.
            2. Russell might as well have tattooed NAZI on his forehead.
            3. The world IS complicated – but rejecting eugenics and its advocates is no rocket science.
            4. My views on Chomsky do not come from Alex Jones…I was kind of starting to get into Chomsky – until I saw Russell on his wall.
            5. What is the REAL picture? Enlighten me o wise one?

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            The short answer is “I dont know, but I know more than you”

            I won’t tell you the entire long answer (because as I said, I don’t know) but it gets into complex questions as to the historical background of nazism, eugenics, and deep philosophy (some of which Russell dealt with… yeah he dealt with many other than being described with a reductio ad hitlerum) and many more fields of information. Not to defend it, but all I’ll say is that eugenics has adapted in quite a manner that has entrenched itself into our social structure at the heart in very… interesting ways. You really need to stop focusing on who it is we should hate, and what people said that deserve such hate, and just look around you (no, not on the internet, that doesn’t count). Observe how people live, how they interact with each other, and compare that to someone you would expect lived maybe 100 years, or maybe 400 years ago. Now consider that the majority of what you know about the past is taught in industrialized education, or industrialized entertainment(TV etc.). Separately, notice that until the internet, information was locked behind a wall consisting of privilege, and money (known as college). Now, anyone that can type can read something on the internet, repost it on their blog, and they are suddenly an expert.

            Ok, enough random rambling. My point that I’m in no way making clear is that all of the evils of the world that literally ran our society are ripping apart at their seams. They were the (some might even argue necessary) evils that kept normal people (like you yourself might have been without learning about this kinda stuff) in the dark from all the suffering and such in the world, so they wouldn’t be distracted from their work. All the people could just be happy little worker bees doing their service to the society and none would be the wiser.

            Now, you’re calling for killing the queen, which I’m not saying I’m against, but you will not be returning to the “good ol’ days”(assuming they actually existed) before these evils came upon us… these evils were always there. Instead, you will be entering something strange and new. Now I’ll end with saying, in all honesty we’re all on the same side here. However I implore you to be careful what you wish for.

          • Nobodyknows

            Chomsky is a jew. Let’s stop acting like he’s some secret nazi with your ad hominem straw manning.

          • Anarchy Pony

            That is a ridiculous assumption on the whole. And all it will do is alienate potential comrades for your struggle. 

          • Anarchy Pony

            I’m sorry, but it doesn’t seem from all of those quotes that they are actually advocating these things, It almost sounds more like a warning or prediction of things they hope don’t come to pass. And Aldous Huxley didn’t write Brave New World to say he wanted that kind of society. Just like Orwell didn’t advocate the styles of government and society 1984.

          • http://www.theamericanbookofthedead.com Henry

            Honestly.  I don’t know why I had to scroll all the way down here to find this obvious reaction.  If you read Brave New World as advocacy, you’re missing a circuit. 

          • oz_house

            Russell was a member of the British Eugenics Society. This argument started over Chomsky having a picture of the goon on his wall. As far as I am concerned I do not trust a man who admires Russell. I pointed out Brave New World to highlight the desire for a scientific authoritarian dictatorship amongst many in the elite. Get into context.

            It’s not provable if Huxley advocated BNW, although some of his statements lean that way and its why some people don’t trust him. But his brother was definitely pursuing a world socialist government and I have no desire for more a more consolidated big brother.

          • Anarchy Pony

            Who do you admire then? Let’s point out some of their flaws and use it to justify discarding any and all of the other things they may have to say. You like Thomas Jefferson? Slave owner. George Washington? Slave owner and named “town destroyer” by the natives he persecuted, Who else?

          • Jin The Ninja

            LOL. i swear i did NOT steal your points. great minds i guess:P

          • Anarchy Pony

            Well slavery and eugenics are both pretty high up on the abominability charts, as is genocide. Just seems the place to jump to.

          • Jin The Ninja

            Do you even UNDERSTAND the concept of speculative fiction? Science fiction? Fiction in general? Have you EVER read BNW? do you understand that huxley was warning AGAINST fascism and totalitarianism?!?! it was themematically anti-authoritarian… or does the concept of underlying theme escape you?

          • oz_house

            Are you a beer short of a six pack? Russell was a MEMBER of the british eugenics society…but I guess that doesn’t mean he advocates it huh…

            Aldous I am not sure about….Julian I do not trust as he was pursuing a world government.

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            Brave new world was assigned reading for me back in highschool, they Literally taught it in schools. You need to stop reading things as an ultimate truth, and realize the purpose for dystopian literature.

          • oz_house

            I wasnt talking about BNW with that remark, I was talking about eugenics…no one at any school I went to taught me anything about eugenics in America and Britain…they taught me it was all Hitler..

          • Tuna Ghost

            Easy now, guy.  I’m not calling you a fool, I just don’t think you’ve got your facts straight and you’re making a hell of an assumption.  

          • Gibberish
          • Tuna Ghost

            Oh lord.  Every time Chomsky’s name is mentioned, someone pops up with that crap.  For the last time: those have been pretty soundly explained as the misinterpretations and flat-out willful ignorance that they are.  

          • Andrew

            Hi CerebralCaustic!

      • Anarchy Pony

        Anything even remotely left in the US is immediately derided as communist or socialist without any genuine understanding of the ideas or whether or not they are in any way actually communist or socialist. And Anarchism is equated with the totally lawless state one sees during a major riot. The idea of Liberal Media is absolutely ludicrous as well.

        • oz_house

          Hey I agree with you on that one.

  • Anonymous

    uhhh, how is banker bailouts, a government full of Goldman Sachs, ignoring the highest white collar crime, big pharma insurance cons, an expansion of wars that was never approved of by congress, overthrowing of leaders, an expansion of the patriot act, an expansion of the Orwellian state, spending more than you earn, pandering to lobbyists, creating a fascist super congress, allowing trillions to go ‘missing’, totally licking the boots of Bernanke, allowing CIA to go military, locking up whistleblowers, forcing journalists to give their sources, allowing GE to pay no taxes and then hire their CEO as your jobs czar…I seriously could go on and on and on and on…How is this left wing Democrat behavior sane? Chomsky, you are nothing but a shill who literally works for the military industrial complex.

    Left and right are just two wings on one bird of prey. They will let you argue about gay rights and abortion forever.

    This Chomsky shill is an elite ruling class intellectual twat who seems to have a hard-on for Bertrand Russell (he has photo’s of the goon in his office) who totally advocated an authoritarian scientific dictatorship. They think they are so smart, they should tell the rabble how to live.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Bear in mind that Chomsky is so far left he’s completely off the mainstream spectrum.  In America, the left isn’t really “the left”, it’s more moderate, middle of the road than anything.  He criticizes the current administration and previous democratic administrations (Clinton’s, for instance, is mentioned often) as well.  

  • Anonymous

    The military industrial complex has a shill for every type of dissident. Yes he’s more left than the Dems. But ask him about 911 or JFK and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7SPm-HFYLo

    you get the CIA answer.

    He is an approved shill to lead a large contingent of well meaning but not awake to the Orwellian system lefties into disinfo. The guy works for MIT and has pictures of Bertrand Russell in his office who totally advocated a scientific authoritarian dictatorship. They think they are so smart and so superior they should tell the rabble – us -  how to serve them best. Russell, Huxley’s, Chomsky…they want their Brave New World.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Re: 9/11, he echoes my own opinions perfectly.  As for JFK, I don’t know his view and don’t particularly care.  Tell me you’re not using his opinions on 9/11 as a litmus test for his credibility.  

    The guy works for MIT and has pictures of Bertrand Russell in his office who totally advocated a scientific authoritarian dictatorship.

    So what if he has a picture of Bertrand Russell?  I also have a great deal of respect for Russell.  His and Whitehead’s Principia Mathematica is an amazing work (although their claims were eventually defeated by Godel’s famous theory), and he was an important empiricist.  Many of my favorite authors are also empiricist’s like him–Daniel Dennett and Douglas Hofstatder, to name a few.  If by “scientific authoritarian dictatorship” you mean no longer allowing superstitions from bygone eras to reign over our modern conception of morals, which is what Hostatder and Chomsky have both proposed numerous times, then I’m all for it.  

    They think they are so smart and so superior they should tell the rabble – us -  how to serve them best. Russell, Huxley’s, Chomsky…they want their Brave New World.

    You sound pretty bitter.  What exactly has given you this opinion?  Where are you getting this bit about Huxley?  I’m not sure you’ve got your facts straight here.

  • Anonymous

    Here is some of your Russell –

    “Scientific
    societies are as yet in their infancy. . . . It is to be expected that
    advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more
    control over individual mentality than they now have even in
    totalitarian countries. Fitche laid it down that education should aim at
    destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they
    shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or
    acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . .
    Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early
    age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the
    authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers
    that be will become psychologically impossible. . . .
    Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences
    between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost
    different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as
    an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating
    mutton.”
    – Bertrand Russell, “The Impact of Science on Society”, 1953, pg 49-50

    If you are not aware, how can you understand? You should read Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World. It’s a classic from 1933. I am sure you would have heard of 1984, but this came before it and has a slightly different point of view. Aldous’s brother was Julian Huxley…first director of UNESCO and a prominent member of the British Eugenics Society like all the elitist scumbags of his day… Received medals for his promotion of eugenics from the Royal Society.

    Hitler even wrote a fan letter to American eugenic leader Madison Grant calling
    his race-based eugenics book, The Passing of the Great Race his “bible.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley

    Julian Huxley (1887-1975) | First director of UNESCO, brother of Aldous.

    “Political unification in some sort of world government will be
    required… Even though… any radical eugenic policy will be for many
    years
    politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for
    UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest
    care, and
    that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much
    that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”  Taken from UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy.

    Some more Russell

    “…impregnation will be regarded in an entirely different manner, more in
    the light of a surgical operation, so that it will be thought not
    ladylike to have it performed in the natural manner.” – and when you read brave new world you will understand why they are saying this stuff…

    “The new ethic which is gradually growing in connection with scientific
    technique will have its eye upon society rather than upon the
    individual. It will have little use for the superstition of guilt and
    punishment, but will be prepared to make individuals suffer for the
    public good without inventing reasons purporting to show that they
    deserve to suffer”

    WAKE UP and smell the ruling class tyranny…your Chomsky knows all about Russell, the eugenics and authoritarian views…but you don’t….and then you think I am the fool…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

  • iPINCH

    Free executions for the poor!!!

  • iPINCH

    Free executions for the poor!!!

  • Anonymous

    Positing Libertarian Socialism as even on the same wavelength as the dems and suggesting Chomsky works for the ‘Military-Industrial complex’ (nice repeat of the alex jones show btw) shows you to be less informed than you believe yourself to be.

  • Butter Knife

    I think you just gave us some compelling evidence in favor of an article disinfo ran earlier this month:

     http://disinfo.com/2011/09/creativity-is-vomit-poison-and-agony-to-most/

    Congratulations.(?)

  • Anonymous

    I am no fan of alex jones. Nice assumption. You read the Russell quotes – and you want me to trust a man who admires this and puts photo’s of the scum on his wall? You simply call it a strawman to deflect the argument.

    If you have pictures of people like Russell or Hitler on your wall, I am not going to trust you either. It’s common sense. If you admire these people knowing full well who they were and what they stood for, then you yourself cannot be much better.

    Here you are saying its complicated that the elite think they are god and want to sterilize people they deem unfit. Its not complicated at all. WHO DIED AND MADE THEM KING? You are an apologist for the criminal ruling class. “It’s complicated” is the oldest trick in the book.

    People like yourself are the reason for the most part that the world has never been free from a tyrannical ruling class. You reason away right and wrong into “It’s complicated” for the blithering idiot to lap up and think your smart.

  • Anonymous

    You sound totally brainwashed by alex jones with your charges of an  “elite/corrupt intellectual class”…

    people should disagree with ideologies and FORMS of thought, not with the act of thinking.

    I despise eugenics- I am a PoC and pro-feminist- it is contrary to my entire epistemological paradigm.

    I am also highly anti-hierarchy, consider myself an intellectual anarchist/ municipalist.

    And again you attempted to use Russel whom i never defended nor asserted to like in any way, as way to characterise my opinions.

  • Wanooski

    I’m sorry, but it doesn’t seem from all of those quotes that they are actually advocating these things, It almost sounds more like a warning or prediction of things they hope don’t come to pass. And Aldous Huxley didn’t write Brave New World to say he wanted that kind of society. Just like Orwell didn’t advocate the styles of government and society 1984.

  • Wanooski

    Yeah, they more often seem to do the opposite.

  • Wanooski

    That does sound like it would be pretty good.

  • Wanooski

    Anything even remotely left in the US is immediately derided as communist or socialist without any genuine understanding of the ideas or whether or not they are in any way actually communist or socialist. And Anarchism is equated with the totally lawless state one sees during a major riot. The idea of Liberal Media is absolutely ludicrous as well.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Brave new world was assigned reading for me back in highschool, they Literally taught it in schools. You need to stop reading things as an ultimate truth, and realize the purpose for dystopian literature.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    “People like yourself are the reason for the most part that the world has never been free from a tyrannical ruling class. You reason away clear wrong into “It’s complicated” for the blithering idiot to lap up and think you’re smart.”

    No, people like you who refuse to accept that anything could BE complicated is the problem. You fall under the age old trap of demanding an “other” to explain away all the evils in the world, when in fact the world IS complicated; complicated way beyond your narrow perceptions.

    You need to learn how to divine the ideas and beliefs of the people that you don’t like, only then will you start to see the real picture…

  • http://www.theamericanbookofthedead.com Henry

    Honestly.  I don’t know why I had to scroll all the way down here to find this obvious reaction.  If you read Brave New World as advocacy, you’re missing a circuit. 

  • Anonymous

    Russell definitely advocated it. Feel free to go read more of his eugenics talk… I am not sure about Aldous, although I flatout do not trust Julian who was pursuing a socialist world government.

  • Anonymous

    I wasnt talking about BNW with that remark, I was talking about eugenics…no one at any school I went to taught me anything about eugenics in western society…they taught me it was all Hitler..

  • Anonymous

    Russell was a member of the British Eugenics Society. This argument started over Chomsky having a picture of the goon on his wall. As far as I am concerned I do not trust a man who admires Russell. I pointed out Brave New World to highlight the desire for a scientific authoritarian dictatorship amongst many in the elite. Get into context.

    It’s not provable if Huxley advocated BNW, although some of his statements lean that way and its why some people don’t trust him. But his brother was definitely pursuing a world socialist government and I have no desire for more a more consolidated big brother.

  • Anonymous

    1. Chomsky admires Russell enough to put a photo of the goon on his wall.
    2. Russell might as well have tattooed NAZI on his forehead.
    3. The world IS complicated – but rejecting eugenics and its advocates is no rocket science.
    4. My views on Chomsky do not come from Alex Jones…I was kind of starting to get into Chomsky – until I saw Russell on his wall.
    5. What is the REAL picture? Enlighten me o wise one?

  • Anonymous

    Alex Jones did not coin those terms. Enough with your AJ strawman. I am not sure about Aldous, but his brother was pursuing a socialist world government and I do not trust the man. That is my view and it is certainly far from ludicrous even if you disagree.

    I will repeat what I said to the previous bloke –

    1. Chomsky admires Russell enough to put a photo of the goon on his wall.
    2. Russell might as well have tattooed NAZI on his forehead.
    3. The world IS complicated – but rejecting eugenics and its advocates is no rocket science.
    4. My views on Chomsky do not come from Alex Jones…I was kind of
    starting to get into Chomsky – until I saw Russell on his wall.
    5. What is the REAL picture? Enlighten me o wise one?

  • Anonymous

    Hey I agree with you on that one.

  • Wanooski

    Who do you admire then? Let’s point out some of their flaws and use it to justify discarding any and all of the other things they may have to say. You like Thomas Jefferson? Slave owner. George Washington? Slave owner and named “town destroyer” by the natives he persecuted, Who else?

  • Anonymous

    Nice copy and paste.

    Chomsky is Jewish, so i am 100% certain he would not have a nazi on his wall.

    Eugenics is like Slavery (in a historical context): abhorrent, but that does not mean people who are historically significant did not practice either. On the contrary should we completely dismiss Jefferson because he a slave owner? No.

    The line about Chomsky working for the MIC comes right from an AJ show, where of course AJ the coward, spits it out right after he interviews chomsky for 20 mins. right as they were hanging up.

    Link to me your proof of this one world “socialist” gov’t. Or rather because Chomsky is a libertarian-socialist you have derived a straw-man arguement against him (which btw does not prove the things he says in ANY way false).

    Although you may “believe” your views, they do in fact seem “ludicrous” to an outsider.

  • Wanooski

    That is a ridiculous assumption on the whole. And all it will do is alienate potential comrades for your struggle. 

  • Anonymous

    Do you even UNDERSTAND the concept of speculative fiction? Science fiction? Fiction in general? Have you EVER read BNW? do you understand that huxley was warning AGAINST fascism and totalitarianism?!?! it was themematically anti-authoritarian… or does the concept of underlying theme escape you?

  • Anonymous

    Do you even UNDERSTAND the concept of speculative fiction? Science fiction? Fiction in general? Have you EVER read BNW? do you understand that huxley was warning AGAINST fascism and totalitarianism?!?! it was themematically anti-authoritarian… or does the concept of underlying theme escape you?

  • Anonymous

    LOL. i swear i did NOT steal your points. great minds i guess:P

  • Anonymous

    LOL. i swear i did NOT steal your points. great minds i guess:P

  • Anonymous

    LOL. i swear i did NOT steal your points. great minds i guess:P

  • Anonymous

    Nice copy and paste? I did that because I didn’t want to type out the same thing again – I am arguing with more than 1 person here….you are arguing with 1 person. Don’t be a childish dick.

    You obviously have a boner for Chomsky. I am no fanboy of Alex ‘I talk about tyranny all day but ignore Palestine and Jefferson ‘Jones and I am no fan of any man who admires Russell and that includes Chomsky.

    You can ignore Russell and his views and the fact that Chomsky admires him. I cannot sir.

    As far as Jefferson goes….well, that’s where Alex fails isn’t it? The guy was full of it. Its all fine to have freedom for the wealthy as long as you have an underclass of slaves to do your bidding according to Jefferson.
     
    I don’t care about Alex Jones. Get that into your skull. If you repeat that strawman one more time I am not going to bother responding to you anymore.

  • Anonymous

    I cannot argue with the fact Julian was a fabian socialist. I personally see much less harm in that than i do the re-currant strands of fascism that crop up in British History.  However, as you characterise the nature of UNESCO is not my historical reading of it.  So what is the problem is socialism, since you’ve now made it you’re raison d’etre?

    I am not ignoring Russell, on the contrary, I am simply asserting that you are attempting to equate chomsky with russell which is unequivocably false.

    Ad Hominems make a troll. Just so you know;)

  • Anonymous

    Now we are getting somewhere. That quote from Julian Huxley is verifiable for yourself if you go get the UNESCO book. Don’t take my word for it.

    The problem with socialism is that there are not many angels and king Arthur’s that levitate to power. Psychopaths tend to do that – by mainstream psychology standards. Simply take a look at the Republican and Democrat parties for proof.

    Creating a more powerful government/big brother will only lead to a more totalitarian state. Orwell tried to warn us. I am not 100% sure Aldous was ‘warning’ people by looking at his brother.

    In Zeitgeist 3, I saw a push for a utopian socialist society. But no mention at all on who are the angels that will run it. What are we going to do? Hand it over to a computer?

    If you simply look at the system we have now and ask yourself – Do I think it is a good idea to allow this ruling class to gain power over the entire globe? Surely a good hearted rational man would come to the conclusion that these people have caused so much bloodshed, pain and misery throughout the ages in their desire for power that giving them the keys to a world government is a bad idea?

  • Wanooski

    Well slavery and eugenics are both pretty high up on the abominability charts, as is genocide. Just seems the place to jump to.

  • Wanooski

    Why do you assume that we are pushing for a centralized republican(meaning the form of democracy in which one elects others to represent them in a body politic, and is highly susceptible to corruption) global socialist government(kind of a contradiction)? Neither I nor Jin advocate such a system, Noam Chomsky doesn’t really advocate such a thing either. And even if some historical figure may have, and that is considered undesirable, it doesn’t mean that all they may have to say should be discarded out of hand. 

  • Anonymous

    hey, I don’t think you are bad guys or that you are pushing for a one world government. We are slowly being lead there whether we like it or not. Its not going to happen in sixty seconds. Its a very slow, fabian process.

    Have you heard of the Lima declaration? In the 70′s we agreed to wind down our production by 30% and import 30% from the developing world in ‘another UN treaty’. They gave all the loving ‘we want to help the poor people’ reasons. What actually happened? They shifted almost ALL our manufacturing and production to the 3rd world where they could exploit slavery. It hasn’t helped them and it hasn’t helped us. It has only helped the ruling class. They will always tell you their loving socialist intentions. But their actions speak differently. A world government run by these people will sound wonderful, but it will be a nightmare.

    Chomsky may not advocate it openly – but if he admires a psycho who does and tries to tell me the CIA line on JFK and 911, then I just don’t trust him. He has had a pretty prestigious career with the MIC for a dissident – another smoking gun…

    Would you trust me if I had a pic of Hitler on the wall? Russell is no different.

    I reserve the right to be wary of Chomsky.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    The short answer is “I dont know, but I know more than you”

    I won’t tell you the entire long answer (because as I said, I don’t know) but it gets into complex questions as to the historical background of nazism, eugenics, and deep philosophy (some of which Russell dealt with… yeah he dealt with many other than being described with a reductio ad hitlerum) and many more fields of information. Not to defend it, but all I’ll say is that eugenics has adapted in quite a manner that has entrenched itself into our social structure at the heart in very… interesting ways. You really need to stop focusing on who it is we should hate, and what people said that deserve such hate, and just look around you (no, not on the internet, that doesn’t count). Observe how people live, how they interact with each other, and compare that to someone you would expect lived maybe 100 years, or maybe 400 years ago. Now consider that the majority of what you know about the past is taught in industrialized education, or industrialized entertainment(TV etc.). Separately, notice that until the internet, information was locked behind a wall consisting of privilege, and money (known as college). Now, anyone that can type can read something on the internet, repost it on their blog, and they are suddenly an expert.

    Ok, enough random rambling. My point that I’m in no way making clear is that all of the evils of the world that literally ran our society are ripping apart at their seams. They were the (some might even argue necessary) evils that kept normal people (like you yourself might have been without learning about this kinda stuff) in the dark from all the suffering and such in the world, so they wouldn’t be distracted from their work. All the people could just be happy little worker bees doing their service to the society and none would be the wiser.

    Now, you’re calling for killing the queen, which I’m not saying I’m against, but you will not be returning to the “good ol’ days”(assuming they actually existed) before these evils came upon us… these evils were always there. Instead, you will be entering something strange and new. Now I’ll end with saying, in all honesty we’re all on the same side here. However I implore you to be careful what you wish for.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    The short answer is “I dont know, but I know more than you”

    I won’t tell you the entire long answer (because as I said, I don’t know) but it gets into complex questions as to the historical background of nazism, eugenics, and deep philosophy (some of which Russell dealt with… yeah he dealt with many other than being described with a reductio ad hitlerum) and many more fields of information. Not to defend it, but all I’ll say is that eugenics has adapted in quite a manner that has entrenched itself into our social structure at the heart in very… interesting ways. You really need to stop focusing on who it is we should hate, and what people said that deserve such hate, and just look around you (no, not on the internet, that doesn’t count). Observe how people live, how they interact with each other, and compare that to someone you would expect lived maybe 100 years, or maybe 400 years ago. Now consider that the majority of what you know about the past is taught in industrialized education, or industrialized entertainment(TV etc.). Separately, notice that until the internet, information was locked behind a wall consisting of privilege, and money (known as college). Now, anyone that can type can read something on the internet, repost it on their blog, and they are suddenly an expert.

    Ok, enough random rambling. My point that I’m in no way making clear is that all of the evils of the world that literally ran our society are ripping apart at their seams. They were the (some might even argue necessary) evils that kept normal people (like you yourself might have been without learning about this kinda stuff) in the dark from all the suffering and such in the world, so they wouldn’t be distracted from their work. All the people could just be happy little worker bees doing their service to the society and none would be the wiser.

    Now, you’re calling for killing the queen, which I’m not saying I’m against, but you will not be returning to the “good ol’ days”(assuming they actually existed) before these evils came upon us… these evils were always there. Instead, you will be entering something strange and new. Now I’ll end with saying, in all honesty we’re all on the same side here. However I implore you to be careful what you wish for.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    The short answer is “I dont know, but I know more than you”

    I won’t tell you the entire long answer (because as I said, I don’t know) but it gets into complex questions as to the historical background of nazism, eugenics, and deep philosophy (some of which Russell dealt with… yeah he dealt with many other than being described with a reductio ad hitlerum) and many more fields of information. Not to defend it, but all I’ll say is that eugenics has adapted in quite a manner that has entrenched itself into our social structure at the heart in very… interesting ways. You really need to stop focusing on who it is we should hate, and what people said that deserve such hate, and just look around you (no, not on the internet, that doesn’t count). Observe how people live, how they interact with each other, and compare that to someone you would expect lived maybe 100 years, or maybe 400 years ago. Now consider that the majority of what you know about the past is taught in industrialized education, or industrialized entertainment(TV etc.). Separately, notice that until the internet, information was locked behind a wall consisting of privilege, and money (known as college). Now, anyone that can type can read something on the internet, repost it on their blog, and they are suddenly an expert.

    Ok, enough random rambling. My point that I’m in no way making clear is that all of the evils of the world that literally ran our society are ripping apart at their seams. They were the (some might even argue necessary) evils that kept normal people (like you yourself might have been without learning about this kinda stuff) in the dark from all the suffering and such in the world, so they wouldn’t be distracted from their work. All the people could just be happy little worker bees doing their service to the society and none would be the wiser.

    Now, you’re calling for killing the queen, which I’m not saying I’m against, but you will not be returning to the “good ol’ days”(assuming they actually existed) before these evils came upon us… these evils were always there. Instead, you will be entering something strange and new. Now I’ll end with saying, in all honesty we’re all on the same side here. However I implore you to be careful what you wish for.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Easy now, guy.  I’m not calling you a fool, I just don’t think you’ve got your facts straight and you’re making a hell of an assumption.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    Are wary of Chomsky because he looks like a walking cadaver?  Or because he sounds like one? 

  • Dunzain

    Sometimes I wonder if the aspirations to be president of the USA is already in itself a sign of mental problems and narcissism.

  • Dunzain

    Sometimes I wonder if the aspirations to be president of the USA is already in itself a sign of mental problems and narcissism.

  • Anonymous

    You can be wary of Chomsky only if you can fully articulate his points (and thus refute them). Read something and come back and try again.

  • Anonymous

    You apparently judge a man purely on the words that come out of his mouth – I have a 1 word reply for you on that point brainiac – politician.

    Read something? Piss weak reply. I think you know I have read ‘something’. It’s not just reading, It’s what you read. A man who reads nothing but newspapers is usually a cretin despite the vast amounts of reading.

    You still didnt answer the question even though I typed it twice – Would you trust me or a man you didn’t know personally if we had a Hitler photo on the office wall? YES OR NO?

    Try and say yes…

  • Anonymous

    Russell is not hitler. Chomsky is Jewish. You haven’t read his work. Nice strawman alex jr. Typical neo-libertarian bullshit. The funny thing is chomsky is more a libertarian and more conscious of the class struggle than you wil ever be.

  • Anonymous

    And yes the measure of an ACADEMIC is the work he produces. Somthing you’d obviously know very little about.

  • Anonymous

    I question your ethics. But we already learned you are an apologist.

    Perhaps if Russell was put in charge of Germany’s government he may have behaved in a similar fashion, just without the specific targeting of Jews.

    You are an apologist for a ruling class PSYCHOPATH whether you realize it or not.

    Chomsky admires a ruling class PSYCHOPATH and repeats CIA propaganda. So I don’t think he’s the dissident that you do.

    This conversation is over, we have made our points in a reasonable fashion and we disagree. To keep going is the definition of insanity.

    All the best.

  • Anonymous

    If you choose not to reply, that is fine.

    My ethics ? lol on what basis? Your strawman attacks are nil and voided by the lack of substantiation. I have not one time in ANY post defended russell. Continuous mis characterisation of my words makes me question your INTENTIONS on posting on this board. Chomsky is pro-palestine btw, something you assert to also believe in. Chomsky repeats CIA propaganda? example? And chomsky is a dissident- look it up- HUNDREDS of papers, books and documents about Neo-Imperialist america, democracy and Anarcho-Syndicalism. FBI watchlist etc.

    Don’t be daft. read a Book!

  • Anonymous

    So i have AZN hair- I AM AzN- get over it.

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  • Tuna Ghost

    Oh lord.  Every time Chomsky’s name is mentioned, someone pops up with that crap.  For the last time: those have been pretty soundly explained as the misinterpretations and flat-out willful ignorance that they are.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    You really see nothing wrong with equating Russell with Hitler?  

  • Nobodyknows

    Chomsky is a jew. Let’s stop acting like he’s some secret nazi with your ad hominem straw manning.

  • Nobodyknows

    so your only issue with Chomsky is that photograph? What are your thoughts on “Manufacturing Consent?”

  • Andrew

    Hi CerebralCaustic!