Occupy Wall Street: Civil War or Smokescreen?

Civil Wall StreetVia Modern Mythology:

As many of you know by now, #occupywallstreet is going strong. Or, at least, a couple hundred more people are living on the NYC streets for the time being.

An Ampedstatus headline reports, “Full-Blown Civil War Erupts On Wall Street: As Reality Finally Hits The Financial Elite, They Start Turning On Each Other”,

“Finally, after trillions in fraudulent activity, trillions in bailouts, trillions in printed money, billions in political bribing and billions in bonuses, the criminal cartel members on Wall Street are beginning to get what they deserve. As the Eurozone is coming apart at the seams and as the US economy grinds to a halt, the financial elite are starting to turn on each other. The lawsuits are piling up fast. Here’s an extensive roundup:
As I reported last week:”Goliath On The Ropes, Big Banks Getting Hit Hard, It’s A “Bloodbath” As Wall Street’s Crimes Blow Up In Their Face”

Time to put your Big Bank shorts on! Get ready for a run… The chickens are coming home to roost… The Global Banking Cartel’s crimes are being exposed left & right… Prepare for Shock & Awe…”

Full blown civil war? Really. How about full blown posturing? Some of the content in that post is interesting, but little of it seems to have to do with any sort of civil war, between the banks or anyone else. Despite the tagline baiting in the headline, it’s got nothing to do with the protest. Civil war. That is not a phrase to use lightly. Let’s take a look at a reasonable opinion from the other side of the revolutionary think-tank around these memes…

Anarchists and radical organizers have a bit of collective amnesia with regards to the “Battle of Seattle.” The kids in black bandanas were only a very small part of the coalition that shut down the city in October, 1999. Their acts of childish violence against a Starbucks may have become the lasting public image of the event, but they were hardly representative. The bulk of that anti-globalization protest was composed of labor unions, environmentalists, and other organized progressives. All of those groups have deep traditions based in the community organizing traditions of Saul Alinsky and Cesar Chavez. The real work of organizing bears little resemblance to the attention-grabbing “culture jammers.” The real work involves “talking to one person, then talking to another person, then talking to another.” Organizing is slow, difficult, often thankless, but deeply meaningful work. There are “rules,” you see, even for radicals.

Some of these points should be well taken, both by the enthusiastic, fresh-faced youth and by the older jaded activists that lived through the high-water mark of the 60s that Hunter S Thompson refers to in Fear and Loathing.

Rather than seeing one event, we are seeing our own wishes and fears projected on top of whatever this event may be. This, of course, is the frame of reference regarding the ubiquity of our narrative which is our bread and butter on Modern Mythology. So let me propose the idea that our reaction to the ‘non’-event of the Wall Street protest is a function of ourselves, a mirror. It is ideology itself that seems to drive the almost performance-art aspect of protests. Here’s a clip from earlier today, showing a throng of cops and protesters, and the actions leading up to an arrest

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  • iPINCH

    what goes up must come down

  • iPINCH

    what goes up must come down

    • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

      Especially when we attack it with hatchets.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Especially when we attack it with hatchets.

  • CSM

    I roll my eyes when the black and red flags show up at rallies and protests, because typically the rallies don’t represent the actual beliefs that the people holding those flags espouse to each other. What I learned, notably during the “Freedom Trail For Sale” march in 2000, is they’re typically using the mass rallies of other organizations as cover to fuck shit up and break things – or as they see it start a revolution.

    All of that said and eye rolling aside, you really can’t be so dismissive of their presence at the Battle of Seattle. That protest would have been completely overlooked if the news cameras hadn’t rolled in to capture the images of shattered Starbucks and smoke-filled Seattle. I didn’t know about the WTO until I saw those images and as a result I educated myself about the issues and became activated.

    The Black Bloc kids can serve a purpose, especially when we run out of options for getting the media to wake up and cover our causes instead of another Tea Party rally. I think they’re ridiculous, but maybe they should start breaking things, so the mainstream media accidentally ends up informing about what’s really going on.

  • CSM

    I roll my eyes when the black and red flags show up at rallies and protests, because typically the rallies don’t represent the actual beliefs that the people holding those flags espouse to each other. What I learned, notably during the “Freedom Trail For Sale” march in 2000, is they’re typically using the mass rallies of other organizations as cover to fuck shit up and break things – or as they see it start a revolution.

    All of that said and eye rolling aside, you really can’t be so dismissive of their presence at the Battle of Seattle. That protest would have been completely overlooked if the news cameras hadn’t rolled in to capture the images of shattered Starbucks and smoke-filled Seattle. I didn’t know about the WTO until I saw those images and as a result I educated myself about the issues and became activated.

    The Black Bloc kids can serve a purpose, especially when we run out of options for getting the media to wake up and cover our causes instead of another Tea Party rally. I think they’re ridiculous, but maybe they should start breaking things, so the mainstream media accidentally ends up informing about what’s really going on.

    • Anarchy Pony

      Well, be somewhat wary of the black bloc, pigs often act as agent provocateurs while dressed as black bloc rioters. I do think that they serve a necessary function, but just be aware of that danger.

      • Dubtheworld

         Tis true. Ive seen plenty of pics and vids of obvious agent provocateurs posed as the black bloc. That doesn’t mean these kids aren’t really out there, and that they don’t cause a good deal of trouble.

    • Dubtheworld

      Having spent far too much time amongst the black flaggers, in Eugene, Olympia, Asheville, and elsewhere,  I must say that I agree with your stance. These kids ARE fucking ridiculous. And, like you said, for all of their counterproductive measures, they do end up drawing more mainstream attention to the protests, which prompts people like you and I to become more informed as to the actual circumstances that have prompted such anger and resulting destruction.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    We have moved into the Virtual World and physical body protests are no longer effective in the Virtual West.

    “Wall Street” is now housed in a server farm in Weehawken, N.J. and a disruption of the machines is the only protest that would have any real impact.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    We have moved into the Virtual World and physical body protests are no longer effective in the Virtual West.

    “Wall Street” is now housed in a server farm in Weehawken, N.J. and a disruption of the machines is the only protest that would have any real impact.

  • BuzzCoastin

    We have moved into the Virtual World and physical body protests are no longer effective in the Virtual West.

    “Wall Street” is now housed in a server farm in Weehawken, N.J. and a disruption of the machines is the only protest that would have any real impact.

    • Dubtheworld

      BULL SHYTE. Mass-scale civil disobedience, disruption, and demonstration would have a much greater effect on the future than trying to attack the ptb through their tech, which they can easily use their stolen money to restore, and could easily blame on a few misguided, disenfranchised hackers. They have to know that we are AWAKE, and that we won’t stand for another moment their unprecedented theft from the entire human population of this planet.

  • http://twitter.com/jasonpaulhayes jasonpaulhayes

    “Anarchists and radical organizers” is that what we call kids (literally children) who do nothing other than smash a few windows and raise their voices?

  • jasonpaulhayes

    “Anarchists and radical organizers” is that what we call kids (literally children) who do nothing other than smash a few windows and raise their voices?

  • Anonymous

    “When your only tool is a hammer, you see every problem as a hippie.” — bumper sticker I was given by Gate & Perimeter Crew at Burning Man 2011.

  • http://popeshady.com/ Shady Backflash

    “When your only tool is a hammer, you see every problem as a hippie.” — bumper sticker I was given by Gate & Perimeter Crew at Burning Man 2011.

    • ChristianHypocrite

      “When your only tool is money, you see every problem as a hippie.” 

      Sounds better.

  • ChristianHypocrite

    “When your only tool is money, you see every problem as a hippie.” 

    Sounds better.

  • Anonymous

    one might argue, the destruction of corporate property, to be acts of resistance.

  • Wanooski

    Well, be somewhat wary of the black bloc, pigs often act as agent provocateurs while dressed as black bloc rioters. I do think that they serve a necessary function, but just be aware of that danger.

  • Wanooski

    Civil war? Really? They think this constitutes civil war? What’ll they call it if and when some actual shooting starts?

  • Anarchy Pony

    Civil war? Really? They think this constitutes civil war? What’ll they call it if and when some actual shooting starts?

  • jhalpin666

    Great post, this is such an unusual occurence here in NYC that it deserves as much coverage as we can give it — what makes it unusual is that it’s still going on, most demonstrations are throttled by the NYPD’s uncanny ability to locate any bureaucratic violation to immediately short-circuit any legitimate gathering of dissenters within the confines of Manhattan.

    What’s also puzzling is if this is a grass-roots citizen’s action to protest the corporate oligarchy that controls our elected officials and to attack the point of the spear on Wall Street, why is Alex Jones afraid to mention this demonstration?

     After a very quick look on his sire, I see no mention of it in recent or archived news on http://www.infowars.com/:

    http://www.infowars.com/category/us-news/

    Could this be because he is in fact a government-backed agent of real disinformation and this citizen’s action is not sanctioned tin-foil hat material by his handlers?

    Very interesting.

    Predictably, the mainstream media is coming out against the protests:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/21/occupy-wall-street-protest_n_974693.html

    whining about “openly smoking marijuana” which is only a citation in
    NYC, whereas creating a financial instrument that knowingly shorts the
    purchaser over time, wiping out their investment might be a slightly
    higher offense…

  • jhalpin666

    Great post, this is such an unusual occurence here in NYC that it deserves as much coverage as we can give it — what makes it unusual is that it’s still going on, most demonstrations are throttled by the NYPD’s uncanny ability to locate any bureaucratic violation to immediately short-circuit any legitimate gathering of dissenters within the confines of Manhattan.

    What’s also puzzling is if this is a grass-roots citizen’s action to protest the corporate oligarchy that controls our elected officials and to attack the point of the spear on Wall Street, why is Alex Jones afraid to mention this demonstration?

     After a very quick look on his sire, I see no mention of it in recent or archived news on http://www.infowars.com/:

    http://www.infowars.com/category/us-news/

    Could this be because he is in fact a government-backed agent of real disinformation and this citizen’s action is not sanctioned tin-foil hat material by his handlers?

    Very interesting.

    Predictably, the mainstream media is coming out against the protests:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/21/occupy-wall-street-protest_n_974693.html

    whining about “openly smoking marijuana” which is only a citation in
    NYC, whereas creating a financial instrument that knowingly shorts the
    purchaser over time, wiping out their investment might be a slightly
    higher offense…

  • http://www.facebook.com/agent139 Jamie Lee

    There’s actually more to it, it got truncated on Disinfo – http://www.modernmythology.net/2011/09/occupy-wall-street-civil-war-or.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/agent139 Jamie Lee

    There’s actually more to it, it got truncated on Disinfo – http://www.modernmythology.net/2011/09/occupy-wall-street-civil-war-or.html

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Damn it now I’m going to have to read Fear and Loathing (or at least try to watch the movie again while actually being sober)

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Damn it now I’m going to have to read Fear and Loathing (or at least try to watch the movie again while actually being sober)

  • Okarin

    i wouldn’t be surprised if the number of people who were genuinely involved were small compared to the people that just want to riot lead by state sponsored agent provocateur

  • Okarin

    i wouldn’t be surprised if the number of people who were genuinely involved were small compared to the people that just want to riot lead by state sponsored agent provocateur

  • Gibberish

    >one might argue, the destruction of corporate property, to be acts of resistance.

    Please present your argument as a syllogism that is both valid _and_ sound.

  • Anonymous
  • notmyname

    Alex Jones has mentioned it, and talked about it on his show. Although admittedly, not as much as I would like. I think distrusts Anonymous and thinks they are government provocateurs, which at this point I think, is extremely unlikely.

  • notmyname
  • Derfalcon

    Awesome, thanks notmyname, I found it odd that there was nothing I could see on prisonplanet —  thanks for the links as well. I’m going down there tonight to support them, hopefully there will still be something to support…

  • Derfalcon

    Awesome, thanks notmyname, I found it odd that there was nothing I could see on prisonplanet —  thanks for the links as well. I’m going down there tonight to support them, hopefully there will still be something to support…

  • Dubtheworld

    BULL SHYTE. Mass-scale civil disobedience, disruption, and demonstration would have a much greater effect on the future than trying to attack the ptb through their tech, which they can easily use their stolen money to restore, and could easily blame on a few misguided, disenfranchised hackers. They have to know that we are AWAKE, and that we won’t stand for another moment their unprecedented theft from the entire human population of this planet.

  • Dubtheworld

    BULL SHYTE. Mass-scale civil disobedience, disruption, and demonstration would have a much greater effect on the future than trying to attack the ptb through their tech, which they can easily use their stolen money to restore, and could easily blame on a few misguided, disenfranchised hackers. They have to know that we are AWAKE, and that we won’t stand for another moment their unprecedented theft from the entire human population of this planet.

  • Dubtheworld

    BULL SHYTE. Mass-scale civil disobedience, disruption, and demonstration would have a much greater effect on the future than trying to attack the ptb through their tech, which they can easily use their stolen money to restore, and could easily blame on a few misguided, disenfranchised hackers. They have to know that we are AWAKE, and that we won’t stand for another moment their unprecedented theft from the entire human population of this planet.

  • Dubtheworld

    Having spent far too much time amongst the black flaggers, in Eugene, Olympia, Asheville, and elsewhere,  I must say that I agree with your stance. These kids ARE fucking ridiculous. And, like you said, for all of their counterproductive measures, they do end up drawing more mainstream attention to the protests, which prompts people like you and I to become more informed as to the actual circumstances that have prompted such anger and resulting destruction.

  • Dubtheworld

     Tis true. Ive seen plenty of pics and vids of obvious agent provocateurs posed as the black bloc. That doesn’t mean these kids aren’t really out there, and that they don’t cause a good deal of trouble.

  • Dubtheworld

    Fuck off.

  • DUBTHEWORLD

    OCCUPY YOUR CITY TODAY! GET PEOPLE OUT INTO THE STREETS EVERY WEEKEND!

  • DUBTHEWORLD

    OCCUPY YOUR CITY TODAY! GET PEOPLE OUT INTO THE STREETS EVERY WEEKEND!

  • Dubtheworld

    And, fuck off, James Curcio. “Join My Cult” SUCKED FUCKING BOLLOCKS, on a massive scale, and, btw, that’s coming from a huge fan/student of Illuminatus!/RAW, Hyatt, AC, The Invisibles, William S. Burroughs, Joseph Campbell, Neil Gaiman, China Mieville, and so on/so forth.

    “And if you feel resentment because of the views presented here, perhaps
    it is just a dent in your own hopes of what this protest “could” or
    “should” be, (says you.) We have to be able to take a critical look at
    things without it just taking the wind out of our sails. If our ideas
    are so fragile that they collapse upon scrutiny, then it is high time to
    grow a new one. (Sunlight being the best disinfectant and all.)”

    You, apparently, are so fucking clueless that you think this is “just another protest”. This is not just another protest- we’re not going anywhere. This is the beginning of a movement that will sweep relentlessly across this nation in the coming weeks and months. THIS IS OUR ARAB SPRING. We Are The 99 Percent.

    “On the internet some people sit around and shoot things down all day
    without providing a single productive or useful alternative or idea,…”

    Oh, really? heres an idea: stop fucking off, writing bullshit critiques of a popular movement that you obviously only half understand, and start organizing your own local chapter of OCCUPY. Help us bring the foul, putrid bull-beast to a halt before it can suck any more of our energy and essence off in order to keep it’s own life support plugged in: unless you happen to have some hidden interest in keeping that beast alive. Are you, by chance, a one percenter there, James? That may explain a whole lot. Burroughs would have been down there in the street with the 99 percent, and here we have Jamesey boy, probly up in some high tower sucking off wall street banksters for drug money.

    “Quite a lot of noise over 200 protesters, if that number is at all
    accurate. (And how does that play when put side-by-side with the YouTube
    video we just saw? Nothing to see here.)”

    REALLY??? “Quite a lot of noise” is what happens in the msm when Tea baggers protest. Thousands of people marched on wall street yesterday, after 6 full days of protests, and only now has the msm even begun to report on this

    It may be some
    demonstration of the power of social networking when tied with an
    operation with some amount of media presence (AdBusters), so we see more
    of this echo-chamber process at work. But whether or not it is, we must
    ask: What are the objectives of this protest? How does it intend to
    accomplish them? Is it preaching to the choir, or will it actually
    convert fence sitters? … Forgive me if the appearance of
    professionalism is shattered by doing so, but I had a conversation with a
    friend on Facebook that further extends this “thought experiment”
    analysis:”

    The methods are time tested and true: We are aiming for mass-scale civil disobedience, and disruption, across the nation in order to bring attention to our demands (that would be the objectives part- that the corporations and the politicians (ie, congress, Obama, the supreme court) that serve them be brought to justice for what theyve done to us as a nation and as a global community, for what theyve stolen from us and hoarded amongst themselves, which comes down to about .5 of the population.

    Excuse me for the equivalant of drunk dialing. But really- fuck off.

    • Anarchy Pony

      You folks better start shooting some fascists, or else you aren’t going to get anywhere. Oppression doesn’t go away just because you tell it to.

    • Jamie Lee

      You missed my point entirely, but the part you did get was that I was trolling you all just a bit to this extent: 

      oh yeah?

      Fucking prove it. 

      • Jamie Lee

        I’m serious. PLEASE prove me wrong. Go for it, reach for the stars. 

        Fwiw I wrote most of JMC! when I was 19. I’m 33 now. I could really care less what you think about that. But I wrote this critique in part under the hopes of being proven wrong. I’m just not hopeful that I will be. 

    • Jamie Lee

      And no. I’m not at all a 1%-er. Though that’s pretty funny.

  • Dubtheworld

    And, fuck off, James Curcio. “Join My Cult” SUCKED FUCKING BOLLOCKS, on a massive scale, and, btw, that’s coming from a huge fan/student of Illuminatus!/RAW, Hyatt, AC, The Invisibles, William S. Burroughs, Joseph Campbell, Neil Gaiman, China Mieville, and so on/so forth.

    “And if you feel resentment because of the views presented here, perhaps
    it is just a dent in your own hopes of what this protest “could” or
    “should” be, (says you.) We have to be able to take a critical look at
    things without it just taking the wind out of our sails. If our ideas
    are so fragile that they collapse upon scrutiny, then it is high time to
    grow a new one. (Sunlight being the best disinfectant and all.)”

    You, apparently, are so fucking clueless that you think this is “just another protest”. This is not just another protest- we’re not going anywhere. This is the beginning of a movement that will sweep relentlessly across this nation in the coming weeks and months. THIS IS OUR ARAB SPRING. We Are The 99 Percent.

    “On the internet some people sit around and shoot things down all day
    without providing a single productive or useful alternative or idea,…”

    Oh, really? heres an idea: stop fucking off, writing bullshit critiques of a popular movement that you obviously only half understand, and start organizing your own local chapter of OCCUPY. Help us bring the foul, putrid bull-beast to a halt before it can suck any more of our energy and essence off in order to keep it’s own life support plugged in: unless you happen to have some hidden interest in keeping that beast alive. Are you, by chance, a one percenter there, James? That may explain a whole lot. Burroughs would have been down there in the street with the 99 percent, and here we have Jamesey boy, probly up in some high tower sucking off wall street banksters for drug money.

    “Quite a lot of noise over 200 protesters, if that number is at all
    accurate. (And how does that play when put side-by-side with the YouTube
    video we just saw? Nothing to see here.)”

    REALLY??? “Quite a lot of noise” is what happens in the msm when Tea baggers protest. Thousands of people marched on wall street yesterday, after 6 full days of protests, and only now has the msm even begun to report on this

    It may be some
    demonstration of the power of social networking when tied with an
    operation with some amount of media presence (AdBusters), so we see more
    of this echo-chamber process at work. But whether or not it is, we must
    ask: What are the objectives of this protest? How does it intend to
    accomplish them? Is it preaching to the choir, or will it actually
    convert fence sitters? … Forgive me if the appearance of
    professionalism is shattered by doing so, but I had a conversation with a
    friend on Facebook that further extends this “thought experiment”
    analysis:”

    The methods are time tested and true: We are aiming for mass-scale civil disobedience, and disruption, across the nation in order to bring attention to our demands (that would be the objectives part- that the corporations and the politicians (ie, congress, Obama, the supreme court) that serve them be brought to justice for what theyve done to us as a nation and as a global community, for what theyve stolen from us and hoarded amongst themselves, which comes down to about .5 of the population.

    Excuse me for the equivalant of drunk dialing. But really- fuck off.

  • Wanooski

    You folks better start shooting some fascists, or else you aren’t going to get anywhere. Oppression doesn’t go away just because you tell it to.

  • Dancetraffic1985

    To make some long-lasting change, people need to make it happen on a grass-roots, community level. This is all a lot easier, in theory, I believe. We are enabling the control over our lives. Fucking stop watching TV, don’t buy Jay-Z albums, stop going to McDonalds, close your Chase bank account, funnel money into your neighbor’s business or implement more alternative currencies. Imagine if people did that on a mass-level… But no one wants to do that. That’s true insanity, to me. You can yell and scream at your oppressor as much as you want, but you have to be the change you want to see. 

  • Dancetraffic1985

    To make some long-lasting change, people need to make it happen on a grass-roots, community level. This is all a lot easier, in theory, I believe. We are enabling the control over our lives. Fucking stop watching TV, don’t buy Jay-Z albums, stop going to McDonalds, close your Chase bank account, funnel money into your neighbor’s business or implement more alternative currencies. Imagine if people did that on a mass-level… But no one wants to do that. That’s true insanity, to me. You can yell and scream at your oppressor as much as you want, but you have to be the change you want to see. 

    • Army7

      I think that is what’s happening- we are still out there today and the movement has gone global. We need our devices (iphones etc) to organize & mobilize. We don’t need to boycott every little thing (like Jay-Z albums etc). We will start to move all of our assets into credit unions:

      Bank Transfer Day, an initiative launched on Facebook by Kristen Christian, urging people to take action on November 5 by switching their money to credit unions or community banks whose practices they respect. Thus far, more than 51,000 people have pledged to make that switch.

  • Dancetraffic1985

    I’d like to add…throw away your smart phones, esp the iphone (which are obviously tracking devices) and delete your Facebook profiles and actually have relationships with people. Again, no one’s willing to do that type of protest. Yawn. 

  • Dancetraffic1985

    I’d like to add…throw away your smart phones, esp the iphone (which are obviously tracking devices) and delete your Facebook profiles and actually have relationships with people. Again, no one’s willing to do that type of protest. Yawn. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/agent139 Jamie Lee

    You missed my point entirely, but the part you did get was that I was trolling you all just a bit to this extent: 

    oh yeah?

    Fucking prove it. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/agent139 Jamie Lee

    And no. I’m not at all a 1%-er. Though that’s pretty funny.

  • http://www.facebook.com/agent139 Jamie Lee

    I’m serious. PLEASE prove me wrong. Go for it, reach for the stars. 

    Fwiw I wrote most of JMC! when I was 19. I’m 33 now. I could really care less what you think about that. But I wrote this critique in part under the hopes of being proven wrong. I’m just not hopeful that I will be. 

  • http://twitter.com/BC00000 BC

    I think that is what’s happening- we are still out there today and the movement has gone global. We need our devices (iphones etc) to organize & mobilize. We don’t need to boycott every little thing (like Jay-Z albums etc). We will start to move all of our assets into credit unions:

    Bank Transfer Day, an initiative launched on Facebook by Kristen Christian, urging people to take action on November 5 by switching their money to credit unions or community banks whose practices they respect. Thus far, more than 51,000 people have pledged to make that switch.

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