Wikipedia Censoring 9/11 Truth

Wikipedia-logoWhatever editorial credibility Wikipedia may once have had, this report in the New York Times totally destroys it:

As the nation marked this terrible anniversary, people invariably turned to Wikipedia to learn about the events of Sept. 11, 2001. Nearly two million page views were registered last September for the article “September 11 Attacks,” a typically Wikipedian effort with exhaustive, even picayune, details of the events, bolstered by nearly 289 footnotes. This September, the total page view number could be something like six million.

Likewise, readers have repeatedly turned to the article “9/11 Conspiracy Theories.” The article — similarly detailed with 299 footnotes purporting to explain accusations of faked video footage or controlled demolition of the two buildings — had 400,000 page views last September, and is on pace to have more than a million views this year.

One thing is certain, however. Not one of those visitors got to the conspiracy theories page by making a hypertext leap from a link in the main article about the Sept. 11 attacks. There is simply no mention of these theories, deemed fringe ideas, which have been repeatedly and officially discredited. They are written up in a variety of articles on Wikipedia, but they are kept on the fringe of the site.

This is no accident, but rather a Wikipedia policy concerning a topic as fraught with emotion as the Sept. 11 attacks. Thus the so-called gatekeepers of the media world — prominent newspapers, television news programs, newsweeklies — have an unlikely ally in Wikipedia, which bills itself as the encyclopedia anyone can edit…

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  • OnlyFacts

    Are you similarly upset that holocaust denial is not featured in the page on the holocaust?

    Theories that have been officially, systematically and repeatedly disproved have no place in the factual coverage of any event. The fact that we are talking about an event where a great many people lost their lives is a further reason why sticking to the facts is of utmost importance.

  • OnlyFacts

    Are you similarly upset that holocaust denial is not featured in the page on the holocaust?

    Theories that have been officially, systematically and repeatedly disproved have no place in the factual coverage of any event. The fact that we are talking about an event where a great many people lost their lives is a further reason why sticking to the facts is of utmost importance.

    • JoiquimCouteau

      And who are you to decide what has been “officially, systemically and repeatedly” disproved?

      • OnlyTrueFacts

        seconded.  falling faster than free fall is basic science.  DISPROVE THAT.

      • Tuna Ghost

        Um, it really doesn’t take an authority on physics or architecture to notice that have been numerous debunkings of the most popular conspiracy theories, and that the vast majority of the scientific community agrees with the “official” theory that two planes crashing into the towers caused them to fall, and that severe unfought fires and damage caused by debris caused WTC 7 to fall.  It’s just being aware of the opinion of those whose opinions matter the most.  I doubt he’s claiming to be any scientific authority of any kind.

        • Dueyv9

          There are facts and there are “peer pressured” facts.

          • IWhipMyWeinerBackNForth

            I agree. Like, I can’t start a conversation ANYWHERE on the internet without a rabid horde of truthers descending upon my conversation, vomiting up all the old, tired buzzwords and talking points (“free-fall speed!”, “Building 7!”, “Thermite!” “First time in history!”) to try to force the participants to believe in THEIR version of the story. Guh… They’re like the Thought Police of the internet.

          • Nano_Thermite_911

            Oh poor guy, you can’t go anywhere without people bringing up evidence that refutes the gov’ts conpsiracy theory.  You poor poor baby.  I’m sorry that you are being forced to think and that you wont’ be able to rest in the comfortable complacency of the big lie anymore.  

        • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

          I agree that most of the alternative theories of 9-11 don’t hold water, but that doesn’t change the fact that the “Official” version doesn’t hold water, either.

          When the guys involved in writing it come out later and say that is suffers from a disjunction with reality, that carries some weight.

          Sure, the lies were probably just to cover some asses over some mistakes, lapses, or incompetence.

          It’s still a pack of lies though.

        • Nano_Thermite_911

          Umm can you substantiate this baseless assertion “the vast majority of the scientific community agrees with the “official” theory”   Oh really…. please provide the vote or polling that would make this in anyway feasible.    “The opinions that matter most”  ok man you have got some serious issues with sucking up to the power structure.  What makes one engineer’s perspective more valuable than another?  Is it when one is hired by the government in your mind?  It sure seems that way….

          • Tuna Ghost

            Here’s an easy method you can learn in logic class.  Try it right now.  It’s called “reductio ad absurdum”.  Assume the opposite, then follow it and see if it squares with reality.  I think you’ll find, if you’re looking honestly and without prejudice, that it does not.   

    • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

      Well, I guess by applying your standard, the “Official Version” is right out.

      I’m impressed with your intellectual rigor and honesty.

    • Mysophobe

      I found the link to the “holocaust denial” entry on the main holocaust page in about 10 seconds on my iPhone under “see also”. It’s not necessarily “featured”, but it is there. Not so on the 9/11 page. And a small distinction, seeking justice for murder victims is a far cry from denying that they were murdered.

  • Anonymous

    And who are you to decide what has been “officially, systemically and repeatedly” disproved?

  • Harry Cunningham

    Wait, wait… where’s my tinfoil hat? 
    Seriously, should every article have a link to crackpot conspiracy theories? 

    • Peetr

      Building 7 – The fact that a fortified building that wasn’t hit by an airplane, and visibly only had small fires fell at free fall speed into it’s own footprint is a crackpot theory? That multiple explosions were heard before the towers actually fell is not something question?

      • Albury Smith
      • ewop07

        I am from NYC and worked in building 1.  I just happen to be on vacation the day the buildings were destroyed.  My father did demolition for a living and I can tell you without a doubt, it was demolition that took those buildings down. My sister in-law, who is an NYC Police officer on seen at 911 told me she heard when the order to pull building 7 was given.  Pulling the building is demolition term for taking the build down. As a kid growing up in the NYC public school system, I went of field trips to the world trade centers on numerous occasions and was taught those building would withstand hits from much larger planes than what hit those buildings. Jet Fuel which is basically Kerosene with addictive to help it burn clean and efficient cannot burn hot enough to melt the steel beams used to support those building.  

        • Tuna Ghost

          Pulling the building is demolition term for taking the build down. 

          If you had a lot of knowledge on demolition, you would know that “pulling it” means pulling a damaged building down with cables.  Like they did with building 6.  They had planned on doing the same to WTC 7, but it collapsed first.  

          • Ewop07

            Have you ever seen or visited the World Trade Center Buildings in person, or you think you know about it because you read bullshit on the internet or watch a YouTube video? I was born and raised in Brooklyn, NY York and worked in Building 1 for 5yrs. For your information building 6 was a small building around 8 stories that was pretty much destroyed from the collapse of building 1. The remains of building 6 and the rest of the small buildings was demolished to as part of the cleanup. I know I WAS THERE, WERE YOU!!! I lost friends, and associates in that building so don’t try to fucking tell me what I know! Fuck what you read. My father worked in demolition for over 20 yrs until he died of cancer in 1986. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, PULLING A BUILDING IS A DEMOLITION TERM USED FOR TAKING A BUILDING DOWN! I never mentioned the way the building was taken down.  Only an ignorant ass would try to compare what the fuck they read on the internet to what someone lived through!!   

          • Tuna Ghost

            That’s rather the problem with offering personal anecdotes as some kind of evidence in an online forum, isn’t it?  “I’m not racist, my best friend is black” and so on.  Pretty hard to substantiate,eh?  Pretty hard to discern who is telling the truth and who is just trying to get leverage.  Since you’re using your personal anecdote to throw a fit and notably not address the subject, well, I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but regardless: your point still isn’t valid. 

          • Goodguy

            Ithinksyouworksforthebadguyscauseyousayslotsoflies

      • Tuna Ghost

        First responders called the fire “severe” and noted a gigantic goddam hole in the south wall caused by debris that they claim was about 20 stories high.  Big hole, severe fires, building fall down.  They were planning on pulling it down themselves like they did with building six, but it collapsed first.  There are numerous quotes from first responders detailing how they knew the building was going to collapse, how they pulled all their men out, how the fires were very severe, and how there was a big goddam hole in the south wall.  What reason do we have to doubt their opinion?

        • MasoMystic

          Tuna Ghost you are one of the biggesrt morons on here. I think ive said this about 5 times before but seriously dude you are a complete joke. I think you do get your information from popular mechanics..

          What about alll those firefighters who heard bangs go off when there wasnt even any planes? oh another crackpot theory,…You fucking moron

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

            Hey now, lets try to be civil.

          • Tuna Ghost

            …aren’t you the guy who was trying to convince people it was some sort of NUCLEAR detonation some months ago?  Or was that some other MasoMystic telling people there was a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION?

        • DeWitt

          A 20 story high hole on 1 side and it still fell straight down? yeah right that makes sense, please pass the kool-aid

          • Tuna Ghost

            Did you expect it to fall over like a tree?  I can supply you with a detailed, lucid, easy-to-understand article, published in Structure Magazine, on how it collapsed.  It even has diagrams.  You’re welcome to see it and point out where you think the fault lies.  

            But again I must ask, what reason do we have to doubt the first responders, the men who said they could feel the building shaking while they were in it, that they knew the thing was about to fall any second so they ordered all their men out?  Why would they lie?  

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            actually that sounds like a really interesting read, is it paper only or do you have links?

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc
          • Tuna Ghost

            Beat me to it!  I find that link very useful.  

    • MasoMystic

      The ignorant people on this page is overwhelming. I dont know where half you people are getting your information? popular mechanics? there is far more fingers being pointed and PROOF that things didnt go down the way they said they were..

      Again..stupid ignorant people…when will we stop protecting and standing up for those who are destroying everything around us.

      • Albury Smith

        Says someone who’s never read NCSTAR 1A, 1-9, 1-9A, or looked at a tower collapse video, in which most of the NCSTAR 1 hypothesis is in plain sight (a tough break for the 9/11 “truth movement”)…

      • Tuna Ghost

        What was your theory again, MasoMystic?  Some sort of nuclear detonation?  That’s what you were telling us earlier this year, wasn’t it? 

        • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

          Noo noo it was HAARP that opened up the atmosphere to let a powerful cosmic wave or something that blew up the place.

          Honestly I’m pretty neutral in the debate but that was always my favorite “theory”

          • Tuna Ghost

            Mine is the one that claims there were no planes at all.  I forget how the rest goes, but ya gotta love the balls on that guy to say “nah man there weren’t any planes, it’s a conspiracy!”

  • http://twitter.com/fathorseharry Harry Cunningham

    Wait, wait… where’s my tinfoil hat? 
    Seriously, should every article have a link to crackpot conspiracy theories? 

  • procat

    assuming you recognize what you’re looking at: have you found any coherent radiation monitoring stats lately (?)  

    • MasoMystic

      Dimitri Khalezov did. and he also worked for the upper echelons of the goverments and knew damn well what this was all about.  really u people should stop watching and reading alex jones and popular mechanics and start finding the research that really makes sense.

      • Misinformation

        It’s unfortunate that you’re replies are so full of anger and hate…even if you have a couple good things to say, you’ll never win anyone over to your side. I’m assuming you’re new to “internet debate”, and I use the phrase loosely. I say you must be new because I too began as extremely vitriolic and hateful but it just really turns people off.

        Really though, what I wanted to say after reading all of your “you American’s” comments is, wow, you must come from the most benign country on the planet. I wish I could be a citizen of a nation that does no wrong in the world, it must feel swell. Congratulations on helping to usher in the perfect government of whatever country it is that you’re too shy to name. Thanks for making every effort to save the world.

      • anthonyc31

        2 articles with links to evidence that supports Dimitri Khalezov’s testimony:

        Support Evidence for Dimitri Khalezov’s 9/11 Testimony
        http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/support-ing-evidence-for-dimitri.html

        9/11 Rescue Workers Suffer from Radiation Exposure
        http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/911-rescue-workers-suffer-from-exposure.html

  • procat

    assuming you recognize what you’re looking at: have you found any coherent radiation monitoring stats lately (?)  

  • http://twitter.com/humpjones Humpasaur Jones

    9/11 is such a small slice of The Shit, it’s sad to see how much energy gets wasted in that particular tar pit.

    • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

      It’s a Tar Baby alright, but I still can’t resist the occasional urge to slap it…

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      Man, The Shit is too big for some to even conceptualize…

  • http://twitter.com/humpjones Humpasaur Jones

    9/11 is such a small slice of The Shit, it’s sad to see how much energy gets wasted in that particular tar pit.

  • OnlyTrueFacts

    seconded.  falling faster than free fall is basic science.  DISPROVE THAT.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Well, I guess by applying your standard, the “Official Version” is right out.

    I’m impressed with your intellectual rigor and honesty.

  • Mysophobe

    I found the link to the “holocaust denial” entry on the main holocaust page in about 10 seconds on my iPhone under “see also”. It’s not necessarily “featured”, but it is there. Not so on the 9/11 page. And a small distinction, seeking justice for murder victims is a far cry from denying that they were murdered.

  • Kcr125443

    9/11 conspiracy theorists are disgusting people

    • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

      Umm…. the “Official Version” is a conspiracy theory too.

      May want to check m-w.com or something before you start throwing those 3-dollar words around.

      • Drmthtr2112

        so what i saw that day with my own eyes is a conspiracy theory??.. your ideas defy logic…

        • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

          Indeed it was a conspiracy by any accepted definition.

          19 men (at least) conspired to take over at least 4 airplanes and crash them into buildings.

          That’s a conspiracy.

          It only takes 2 people acting together to commit a crime to qualify as a conspiracy. So, with at least 19, we’re definitely into conspiracy territory.

          Just because I’m an ironic dick, I’ll quote the first line of wikipedia’s entry on “Conspiracy (crime)” for you.

          “In the criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to break the law at some time in the future, and, in some cases, with at least one overt act in furtherance of that agreement.”

          But you can go to Black’s or anywhere else you want to look and the definition is much the same.

          I’m getting the sense that the people who don’t understand why 9-11 is a conspiracy any way you slice it, are the same people who don’t really know the difference between “Socialism”, “Communism”, “Authoritarianism” and “Totalitarianism”. Or between “Capitalism” and “Democracy” for that matter.

        • Misinformation

          Seriously? You think that because you “saw something with your own eyes”, you know the whole story? Trust me, you saw nothing but planes hitting buildings (two building by the way, no the three that fell), that’s as much of “the story” as you know. Knowing dead people doesn’t make you an effective investigator. What isn’t known about 9/11/01, we could just about stuff into the Milky Way.

          • MasoMystic

            What about good ol william cooper who warned the american people in July of that year that there would be a terrorist attack on new york (or la) and they would blame osama bin laden…

            Why is it that all the military might of the america’s couldnt find osama in the late 90’s  early 00’s but when some crackpot reporter decides to do an interview with him the reporter finds him hanging out in a cave.

            Yes the warning signs have been there before 9/11. William cooper was shot to death by 5 cops a month later. Alex Jones stole his material and made a name for himself..

            Anyone who think 9/11 wasnt suspicious should read jeff pragers books…if your not willing to do that then keep your nose out of this subject because obviously you only give a fuck about your own opinions..

            And as i said earlier..whether it was a conspiracy or not (and far more information shows it was) the fact remains..civilians are dying everyday, hundreds of thousands have died already over this 9/11 bullshit..one thing you cant deny (but u wlil) is that they used this to further employ their agenda…

            And as it was once said in politics..NOTHING happens in politics that isnt planned. NOTHING. Use your fuckign commen sense you  retarted americans..everyone else sees the truth now its time for you to wake up or stay asleep and find your country burned to the ground because it will happen if you keep allowing your pathetic ignorance to control your common sense.

          • Tuna Ghost

            And as it was once said in politics..NOTHING happens in politics that isnt planned. NOTHING.

            Well that is just plain stupid.  You think all the sex scandals are planned?  You think the leaked info about America testing syphilis meds on poor guatemalans was planned?  The anti-gay republicans busted for banging dudes?  All the conspiracies that get found out are planned?  By who, the fucking Illuminati?  You’re giving the US government far, far too much credit, kid.  They fuck up just as much as any other bloated, bureaucratic organization.

            An operation of the size and scope of 9/11 would have involved far too much planning and far too many people to pull off without any information, any information at all, being leaked.  That’s why the US government doesn’t get its hands dirty when it operates in foreign countries.  It gets other people to do its dirty work for it.  Why change strategies when operating on its own territory, when everyone will be watching that much closer?  Why not just let the people who want to do it succeed?  

            Seriously though.  That’s not a rhetorical question.

        • MasoMystic

          LOL what you saw with your own eyes was NOTHING you fucking moron. Just becuse yo uwere there does not mean it gives you the right to know everything..

          Cause you wanna know what else mr big..there has been plenty of people who were there and they heard the bombs going off before the planes hit the place…so dont give us that bullshit excuse you retartd

          • Drinky McGee

            I hate to be critical, but “retard” is one of those words you really should make an effort to spell correctly.

          • Anarchy Pony

            Typos and spelling errors aren’t quite the same thing.

    • Deep7

      So are people who make baseless ad hominem attacks but it doesn’t mean they’re wrong.

      • Tuna Ghost

        That’s not technically an ad hominem attack.  Saying “they’re wrong” and “they’re disgusting” is not an ad hominem.  Saying “they’re wrong because they’re disgusting” is an ad hominem.  The former is merely an insult.  

        • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

          Lets just start using philosophical arguments as random insults:

          Oh yeah? well that observation was a strawman!

          • Tuna Ghost

            It’s more fun to shout them while pointing a wand, a la Harry Potter.

    • jusizj

      This reminds me of something I heard someone say on T.V. once, so it must be a valid way of thinking.  T.V. is not reality, it’s social manipulation.

    • MasoMystic

      Why because people demand the truth? you wanna know whats disgusting mr america. The hundreds of thousands of people who have died BECAUSE of 9/11 you sick fuck,..

      Whether 9/11 was a conspiracy or not the fact that you shitty americans allow your military to continue to kill over it a decade later shows your character as people and shows that you stupid overweight logs’s opinions on anything really dont matter anymore.

  • Kcr125443

    9/11 conspiracy theorists are disgusting people

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Umm…. the “Official Version” is a conspiracy theory too.

    May want to check m-w.com or something before you start throwing those 3-dollar words around.

  • Deep7

    So are people who make baseless ad hominem attacks but it doesn’t mean they’re wrong.

  • Deep7

    So are people who make baseless ad hominem attacks but it doesn’t mean they’re wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nhewitson1 Nigel Hewitson

    It shouldential element of have been linked to the main story. The most comparable case must be the assassination of JFK. An   ess that story is a lot of people being dissatisfied with the standard explanation of who, how and why. Although the 9/11 conspiracy theorists may not be as numerical as Kennedy sceptics, they most certainly have a voice and demand to be heard. Wikipedia is doing the cause of truth a dis-service by appearing to censor any point of view. I believe the conspiracy advocates to be misguided to say the least. But, by appearing to marginalise their opinions, Wikipedia bestows an patina of credibility on their half baked ideas. Only by allowing all points of view to see the full light of day can we demonstrate the open to all, “vox pop” spirit which has distinguished the ‘Wiki’ concept as being in the vanguard of an unfettered pursuit of truth.   

  • http://www.facebook.com/nhewitson1 Nigel Hewitson

    It shouldential element of have been linked to the main story. The most comparable case must be the assassination of JFK. An   ess that story is a lot of people being dissatisfied with the standard explanation of who, how and why. Although the 9/11 conspiracy theorists may not be as numerical as Kennedy sceptics, they most certainly have a voice and demand to be heard. Wikipedia is doing the cause of truth a dis-service by appearing to censor any point of view. I believe the conspiracy advocates to be misguided to say the least. But, by appearing to marginalise their opinions, Wikipedia bestows an patina of credibility on their half baked ideas. Only by allowing all points of view to see the full light of day can we demonstrate the open to all, “vox pop” spirit which has distinguished the ‘Wiki’ concept as being in the vanguard of an unfettered pursuit of truth.   

  • Drmthtr2112

    hmm.. i saw two planes hit the towers.. i live in new york and not only had friends that died in the attacks, but who saw – first hand – two planes fly into those buildings… anything else is mere speculation.. “Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter
    if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own
    common sense” -Buddha .. ask yourself ‘conspiracy theorists’ — what did you see… and what did someone tell you you saw that fateful day.. use common sense and logic people.. forget everything else. you conspiracy theorists are so easily manipulated it’s quite sad.. youre believing something that started on the internet by some youtube hermit who has nothing better to do…

    • Peetr

      There have been multiple high-rise building fires throughout the world that have burned for up to a week without the fire weakening the steal structures enough to collapse. The twin towers were the 1st in the world to actually collapse.  Building 7 wasn’t even that damaged in the video before it fell… at free fall speed, perfectly into it’s own footprint, like it was “pulled” as it’s owner so eloquently put. But, nothing to see here right?  

      • Albury Smith

        The owner agreed with the FDNY’s decision to pull back and not try to fight the fires in WTC 7, since the building was becoming noticeably unstable and dangerous, and the collapse of the North Tower had broken the 20″ water main that fed the standpipes. It was severely damaged by the fires that burned in it unchecked for more than 5 hours:

        http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires

        http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage

        http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

        NCSTAR 1A, 1-9, and 1-9A would be a great improvement over “truth” sites if you’re really interested in what caused the 5:21 PM collapse.

      • Tuna Ghost

        Building 7 wasn’t even that damaged in the video before it fell… 

        According to first responders at the scene, it was very damaged.  They reported a hole in the south wall twenty stories in size and described the fires as “very severe”.  They knew the building was going to come down so they ordered all their men out.  They were going to pull it down with cables, like building 6, but it saved them the trouble by collapsing first.  What reason do we have to doubt the claims of the men who were there at the scene?

        • MasoMystic

          YOU ARE A POPULAR MECHANIC GUY HAHAHAHAHAHA go away now..your anoying.

          • Albury Smith
          • Tuna Ghost

            care to address the claims of the men who were there at the scene?  No?  Because you can’t, because you have no way to counter them?  What’s that you say?  “All I can do is whine and cry and call people names, all I have done is whine and cry and call people names because I am incapable of having a discussion about this subject like an adult”?  Oh my dear that’s okay, keep telling us about the nuclear explosion or whatever it is you’re selling while the grown-ups talk.  No, no, I promise we’re listening.  No one thinks you’re a child crying for attention. 

            No one.

            No one at all. 

          • Goodguy

            Themenatthescenesaywallsinthebasementcollapsebeforeplainshitandmenatthescenesaytheyhearthesoundof demolitionasbuildingfallatfreefallspeedandthataloneshowsthetruth.

        • Goodguy

          Youbeabadguybrainwashingpeopleandyouneedgoawayandspend$theypayyoutoliesomaybeyouwakeupandknow$isnotasimportantaslife.

    • SF2K01

      Hey, who knows more, someone who was there, or people analyzing grainy footage from their chairs? You don’t stand a chance.

      • DeWitt

        I don’t remember my tv being all that grainy, but what I saw was a plane flying sideways with the nose headed away from Tower 2 go behind the building and then the front blew out ( where it supposedly hit)…  never made sense to me from Day 1

    • Frankensteinmoneymac

      But if the conspiracy believers are “easily manipulated” then that would include you if you believe the official story….for the official story involves a conspiracy of Muslim Terrorists. Why do you advocate one conspiracy theory and think the others are bogus. Oh and just for the record if you believe those who wrote the official 9/11 investigation, then why don’t you believe them when they have repeatedly claimed that they believe they were lied to and that they’re investigation was hampered? Oh you didn’t hear about that? Let me provide you a link http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html to a Washington Post article that says in part “Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation”. Did you also miss the news that the Chairman and the Vice Chairman for the 9/11 Committee both wrote a book together about it all titled “Without Precedent” where they write “Fog of war could explain why some people were confused on the day of 9/11, but it could not explain why all of the after-action reports, accident investigations and public testimony by FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue”….Are the authors of the original 9/11 Commission report which you believe is true, just being conspiracy theorists when they tell you they were outright lied to by our Government?
      It seems you have quite a logical paradox on your hands if so.   

    • 5by5

      As a Buddhist, can you do me a personal favor and not use the Buddha to justify your unwillingness to question the Government’s Conspiracy Theory?

    • Tuna Ghost

      Would you mind terribly if you cited that quote from the Buddha?  

    • MasoMystic

      Actually there are theories out there by professionals who see things much differently then you do.
      Check out Dimitri Khalezov. he is far smarter and more educated then anyone who trolls this site i tell ya. You should also check out jeff p ragers free books on the subjects. If these 2 people cant show you something is seriously wrong then you are just wanting to see wht you want to see and thatgs it.

      Just because yo u were there does not give you the right to deny something. I dont even know if i believe that you saw those planes. But the point is just because yo uwere there dont give u shit right to call someone elses theory a conspiracy theory. grow up.

      • ArgosyJones

        I’m going to have to defend you on this one, MasoMystic!

        Nuclear 9/11 is not a conspiracy theory; it is a disease.  

  • Drmthtr2112

    hmm.. i saw two planes hit the towers.. i live in new york and not only had friends that died in the attacks, but who saw – first hand – two planes fly into those buildings… anything else is mere speculation.. “Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter
    if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own
    common sense” -Buddha .. ask yourself ‘conspiracy theorists’ — what did you see… and what did someone tell you you saw that fateful day.. use common sense and logic people.. forget everything else. you conspiracy theorists are so easily manipulated it’s quite sad.. youre believing something that started on the internet by some youtube hermit who has nothing better to do…

  • Drmthtr2112

    so what i saw that day with my own eyes is a conspiracy theory??.. your ideas defy logic…

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Indeed it was a conspiracy by any accepted definition.

    19 men (at least) conspired to take over at least 4 airplanes and crash them into buildings.

    That’s a conspiracy.

    It only takes 2 people acting together to commit a crime to qualify as a conspiracy. So, with at least 19, we’re definitely into conspiracy territory.

    Just because I’m an ironic dick, I’ll quote the first line of wikipedia’s entry on “Conspiracy (crime)” for you.

    “In the criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to break the law at some time in the future, and, in some cases, with at least one overt act in furtherance of that agreement.”

    But you can go to Black’s or anywhere else you want to look and the definition is much the same.

    I’m getting the sense that the people who don’t understand why 9-11 is a conspiracy any way you slice it, are the same people who don’t really know the difference between “Socialism”, “Communism”, “Authoritarianism” and “Totalitarianism”. Or between “Capitalism” and “Democracy” for that matter.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Indeed it was a conspiracy by any accepted definition.

    19 men (at least) conspired to take over at least 4 airplanes and crash them into buildings.

    That’s a conspiracy.

    It only takes 2 people acting together to commit a crime to qualify as a conspiracy. So, with at least 19, we’re definitely into conspiracy territory.

    Just because I’m an ironic dick, I’ll quote the first line of wikipedia’s entry on “Conspiracy (crime)” for you.

    “In the criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to break the law at some time in the future, and, in some cases, with at least one overt act in furtherance of that agreement.”

    But you can go to Black’s or anywhere else you want to look and the definition is much the same.

    I’m getting the sense that the people who don’t understand why 9-11 is a conspiracy any way you slice it, are the same people who don’t really know the difference between “Socialism”, “Communism”, “Authoritarianism” and “Totalitarianism”. Or between “Capitalism” and “Democracy” for that matter.

  • guest11
    • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

      Nothing religious fanatics do surprises me, except when they “wake up”.

      • guest11

        I’m not a religious fanatic..and I think what happened in 9/11 is horrible and worth remembering..but other issues are too worth remembering..issues that media has censored.

        • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

          I agree.

          Sorry if you mistook my sentiment.

          The ability of the Jews to turn right around and do to the Palestinians what was done to them by the Nazis is about the profoundest statement on the human condition I can imagine.

          Enantiodromia.

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  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Nothing religious fanatics do surprises me, except when they “wake up”.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    It’s a Tar Baby alright, but I still can’t resist the occasional urge to slap it…

  • guest11

    I’m not a religious fanatic..and I think what happened in 9/11 is horrible and worth remembering..but other issues are too worth remembering..issues that media has censored.

  • guest11

    I’m not a religious fanatic..and I think what happened in 9/11 is horrible and worth remembering..but other issues are too worth remembering..issues that media has censored.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    I agree.

    Sorry if you mistook my sentiment.

    The ability of the Jews to turn right around and do to the Palestinians what was done to them by the Nazi’s is about the profoundest statement on the human condition I can imagine.

    Enantiodromia.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    I agree.

    Sorry if you mistook my sentiment.

    The ability of the Jews to turn right around and do to the Palestinians what was done to them by the Nazi’s is about the profoundest statement on the human condition I can imagine.

    Enantiodromia.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    I agree.

    Sorry if you mistook my sentiment.

    The ability of the Jews to turn right around and do to the Palestinians what was done to them by the Nazi’s is about the profoundest statement on the human condition I can imagine.

    Enantiodromia.

  • jusizj

    This reminds me of something I heard someone say on T.V. once, so it must be a valid way of thinking.  T.V. is not reality, it’s social manipulation.

  • Locke

    Here is my conspiracy theory: Quite a few many of these posters are paid military or bureaucratic personal using web memes as a way to influence opinion on this article and of it contents.
    Be on your guard when you come to talk of hot topics like this.

    • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

      There is no doubt that people do such things. They got caught with a Purchase Order to acquire the technology to help them manage the task.

      They’re not the biggest problem though.

      People afraid of facing the truth and a changing world are the real problem.

      But any time you start to tinker with a persons “beliefs” you’ve got to expect resistance.

      Edit: Here’s a link to that govt solicitation http://www.seankerrigan.com/docs/PersonaManagementSoftware.pdf

    • Tuna Ghost

      I’ve been accused of this a number of times by Truthers on this site, and to be perfectly honest it sounds much more exciting than my actual life.  I’m willing to let people believe this.  Maybe one of them will tell my mother and she’ll think I’m successful or something.  

      • Locke

        No, I am referring to the one-time posters who share only the most obligatory of responses. I see them all over this page.

      • Goodguy

        Youworkforthebadguysspreadingdisimformationandyourmothershouldbeashamedofyou.

  • Locke

    Here is my conspiracy theory: Quite a few many of these posters are paid military or bureaucratic personal using web memes as a way to influence opinion on this article and of it contents.
    Be on your guard when you come to talk of hot topics like this.

  • Anonymous

    Building 7 – The fact that a fortified building that wasn’t hit by an airplane, and visibly only had small fires fell at free fall speed into it’s own footprint is a crackpot theory? That multiple explosions were heard before the towers actually fell is not something question?

  • Anonymous

    There have been multiple high-rise building fires throughout the world that have burned for up to a week without the fire weakening the steal structures enough to collapse. The twin towers were the 1st in the world to actually collapse.  Building 7 wasn’t even that damaged in the video before it fell… at free fall speed, perfectly into it’s own footprint, like it was “pulled” as it’s owner so eloquently put. But, nothing to see here right?  

  • Anonymous

    Hey, who knows more, someone who was there, or people analyzing grainy footage from their chairs? You don’t stand a chance.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    There is no doubt that people do such things. They got caught with a Purchase Order to acquire the technology to help them manage the task.

    They’re not the biggest problem though.

    People afraid of facing the truth and a changing world are the real problem.

    But any time you start to tinker with a persons “beliefs” you’ve got to expect resistance.

  • Frankensteinmoneymac

    But if the conspiracy believers are “easily manipulated” then that would include you if you believe the official story….for the official story involves a conspiracy of Muslim Terrorists. Why do you advocate one conspiracy theory and think the others are bogus. Oh and just for the record if you believe those who wrote the official 9/11 investigation, then why don’t you believe them when they have repeatedly claimed that they believe they were lied to and that they’re investigation was hampered? Oh you didn’t hear about that? Let me provide you a link http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html to a Washington Post article that says in part “Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation”. Did you also miss the news that the Chairman and the Vice Chairman for the 9/11 Committee both wrote a book together about it all titled “Without Precedent” where they write “Fog of war could explain why some people were confused on the day of 9/11, but it could not explain why all of the after-action reports, accident investigations and public testimony by FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue”….Are the authors of the original 9/11 Commission report which you believe is true, just being conspiracy theorists when they tell you they were outright lied to by our Government?
    It seems you have quite a logical paradox on your hands if so.   

  • Misinformation

    Seriously? You think that because you “saw something with your own eyes”, you know the whole story? Trust me, you saw nothing but planes hitting buildings (two building by the way, no the three that fell), that’s as much of “the story” as you know. Knowing dead people doesn’t make you an effective investigator. What isn’t known about 9/11/01, we could just about stuff into the Milky Way.

  • Tuna Ghost

    That’s not technically an ad hominem attack.  Saying “they’re wrong” and “they’re disgusting” is not an ad hominem.  Saying “they’re wrong because they’re disgusting” is an ad hominem.  The former is merely an insult.  

  • Albury Smith
  • Anonymous

    I am from NYC and worked in building 1.  I just happen to be on vacation the day the buildings were destroyed.  My father did demolition for a living and I can tell you without a doubt, it was demolition that took those buildings down. My sister in-law, who is an NYC Police officer on seen at 911 told me she heard when the order to pull building 7 was given.  Pulling the building is demolition term for taking the build down. As a kid growing up in the NYC public school system, I went of field trips to the world trade centers on numerous occasions and was taught those building would withstand hits from much larger planes than what hit those buildings. Jet Fuel which is basically Kerosene with addictive to help it burn clean and efficient cannot burn hot enough to melt the steel beams used to support those building.  

  • Albury Smith

    The owner agreed with the FDNY’s decision to pull back and not try to fight the fires in WTC 7, since the building was becoming noticeably unstable and dangerous, and the collapse of the North Tower had broken the 20″ water main that fed the standpipes. It was severely damaged by the fires that burned in it unchecked for more than 5 hours:

    http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires

    http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage

    http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

    NCSTAR 1A, 1-9, and 1-9A would be a great improvement over “truth” sites if you’re really interested in what caused the 5:21 PM collapse.

  • Drinky McGee

    I’ll take the standards of Wikipedia over the standards of Alex Jones and his ilk any time.  As someone who enjoys conspiracy theories in the sensible way (as pure entertainment) I can tell you that Wikipedia isn’t always the best place to seek out delusional yucks.  They have this annoying desire for objectivity and truth that leaves some of the best conspiracy theories out in the cold.

    • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

      If you really believe that the folks at Wikipedia are always about the objectivity and truth, you might want to pop over to Wikipedia Watch and see what they document.

      • Drinky McGee

        I didn’t say that at all. I said that they have a desire for objectivity and truth. There’s a big difference between desiring something and achieving it.  If it’s infallibility you’re after, I’m afraid you’re inhabiting the wrong reality.

        P.S. Wikipedia is a free site run mostly by volunteers. If you disagree with the way they run things, feel free not to use it.  There are many other sources of information.  Read your Funk and Wagnall’s. Readjust the tinfoil on your hat until you’re receiving David Icke. Fart the Star-Spangled Banner out your butt and summon the ghost of Henry Ford.  Whatever.

        • Malkiyahu

          That’s such a lame cop-out. Infallibility in an encyclopedia article is not really hard. Wikipedia is simply a failure as an encyclopedia. It’s pretty clear that a heck of a lot of the volunteers on Wikipedia have no desire whatsoever for objectivity and truth, they just want their beliefs in an encyclopedia.

          • Mvonballmo

            > Infallibility in an encyclopedia article is not really hard.

            Yeah! That shit is so easy. Wait, what?

          • Malkiyahu

            It’s not that difficult. Maybe if you put your pipe down, it wouldn’t be so hard.

          • Drinky McGee

            Pope Benedict? Is that you?

        • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

          While I’ll agree that your suggestions for alternative sources of information are about as accurate as Wikipedia in some cases, I’ll continue to use it when convenient with the understanding that Wikipedia has an agenda, just like everybody else.

          • Drinky McGee

            I think their agenda is a relatively decent one. I don’t believe that thousands of nerds around the world are rubbing their hands together in mom’s basement and plotting to cover up government chicanery. Well, they might be rubbing their hands together, but it’s for an entirely different reason.

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

            Agreed.

            But they are a group and a hierarchy and sometimes they get off track, even from their own stated goals.

            But all in all they do a pretty good job.

    • Tuna Ghost

      I know, right?  I have a theory about Queen Victoria being a werewolf and those fucks don’t give me the time of day.  “Doctor Who is not a valid source” my ASS.  That show is a documentary filmed in real time, they just want you to think its a fictitious sci-fi TV show.  

      • Drinky McGee

        They don’t want you to know that the Daleks knocked down those buildings.

        • Anarchy Pony

          EXTERMEENATE!

  • Drinky McGee

    I’ll take the standards of Wikipedia over the standards of Alex Jones and his ilk any time.  As someone who enjoys conspiracy theories in the sensible way (as pure entertainment) I can tell you that Wikipedia isn’t always the best place to seek out delusional yucks.  They have this annoying desire for objectivity and truth that leaves some of the best conspiracy theories out in the cold.

  • 5by5

    As a Buddhist, can you do me a personal favor and not use the Buddha to justify your unwillingness to question the Government’s Conspiracy Theory?

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    If you really believe that the folks at Wikipedia are always about the objectivity and truth, you might want to pop over to Wikipedia Watch and see what they document.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Um, it really doesn’t take an authority on physics or architecture to notice that have been numerous debunkings of the most popular conspiracy theories, and that the vast majority of the scientific community agrees with the “official” theory that two planes crashing into the towers caused them to fall, and that severe unfought fires and damage caused by debris caused WTC 7 to fall.  It’s just being aware of the opinion of those whose opinions matter the most.  I doubt he’s claiming to be any scientific authority of any kind.

  • 5by5

    “There is simply no mention of these theories, deemed fringe ideas….”

    1/3rd of all Americans  have doubts about the official story, and an even higher percentage of people in the rest of the world.

    “Deemed” fringe by whom? The NY Times? The newspaper that blindly believed it when Rummy said, “We know where the weapons of mass destruction are….” These are the mental midgets who bought that lie, but I’m supposed to buy what they “deem” to be true?

    Gimme a serious break. I’d believe McClatchy (who back when they were Knight-Ridder at least got the Iraq story and the lack of WMD’s right) before I’d believe those goobers.

    “…which have been repeatedly and officially discredited.”

    Really? Galileo has been discredited? Maybe in Rick Perry world, but in the real world, shit still doesn’t fall at free-fall speed through significant concrete resistance without explosive help.

    • Tuna Ghost

      But the towers didn’t fall at free-fall speed.  You can see in most of the videos that the inner core (of the south building anyway) was still standing after most of the dust and loose debris had already reached the ground.  

      • WeAreChangeAtlanta

        Building 7 did. NIST Admits it.  It’s the implications they avoid discussing.  
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

        • Tuna Ghost

          NIST admitted it fell at free-fall speed?  Could you provide a link for this claim?  

          • WeAreChangeAtlanta

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDvNS9iMjzA  not hard to find.  Google, NIST admits freefall

          • Tuna Ghost

            I watched that video and heard a high school physics teacher speculating that the people on stage meant something other than what they were saying.  That is hardly evidence, guy.

          • WeAreChangeAtlanta

            http://www2.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999083Here are a few of David Chandlers credentials.BS-Physics (IPS); MS-Mathematics  BS from Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA (IPS major–independent program of studies with emphasis in physics and engineering); MA in education from Claremont Graduate University; MS in mathematics from Cal Poly, Pomona. Physics/Mathematics/Astronomy educator at K-12 and Jr. college levels. Formerly on editorial board of The Physics Teacher (AAPT journal). Designer and inventor of educational materials emphasizing quantitative visualization. Author.So Tuna.  This “High School Physics” Teacher has 2 degrees from formidable institutions.  His analysis of the collapse of WTC 7 using software actually forced NIST to admit free fall indistinguishable from gravity for 2.25 seconds in their collapse scenarios.So your appeal to ridicule is unfounded again.What credentials do you posses if any that would enable you to make a judgement on the quality of David Chandler’s work again?  What credentials do you possess period?  Why should anyone listen to you and not the immense amount of credentialed experts? It is evidence pal.   NIST was forced to admit free fall because of this “high school physic teachers” research.  Perhaps you should do your homework.
            Here is David explaining pre and post admission of the scientific fact of free fall with WTC 7.
            If you have 10 minutes to actually listen to the other sides argument you may save yourself a lot of embarrassment down the line.  Of course we both know you have no intention of seeking the truth.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af6-NF15CNU

      • Scotty

        building 7 fell at freefall acceleration for over two seconds, impossible under a fire caused scenario.

        WTC 1 & 2 fell at near free fall speed, with no measurable impact of top floors hitting those below.

        stop being an idiot. the whole world knows its impossible to have happenned the way the government says.

        http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/09/09/9-11-unanswered-questions-i.html

    • Nano_Thermite_911

      Amen 5by5!!  I could not have said it better myself.

  • 5by5

    “There is simply no mention of these theories, deemed fringe ideas….”

    1/3rd of all Americans  have doubts about the official story, and an even higher percentage of people in the rest of the world.

    “Deemed” fringe by whom? The NY Times? The newspaper that blindly believed it when Rummy said, “We know where the weapons of mass destruction are….” These are the mental midgets who bought that lie, but I’m supposed to buy what they “deem” to be true?

    Gimme a serious break. I’d believe McClatchy (who back when they were Knight-Ridder at least got the Iraq story and the lack of WMD’s right) before I’d believe those goobers.

    “…which have been repeatedly and officially discredited.”

    Really? Galileo has been discredited? Maybe in Rick Perry world, but in the real world, shit still doesn’t fall at free-fall speed through significant concrete resistance without explosive help.

  • 5by5

    “There is simply no mention of these theories, deemed fringe ideas….”

    1/3rd of all Americans  have doubts about the official story, and an even higher percentage of people in the rest of the world.

    “Deemed” fringe by whom? The NY Times? The newspaper that blindly believed it when Rummy said, “We know where the weapons of mass destruction are….” These are the mental midgets who bought that lie, but I’m supposed to buy what they “deem” to be true?

    Gimme a serious break. I’d believe McClatchy (who back when they were Knight-Ridder at least got the Iraq story and the lack of WMD’s right) before I’d believe those goobers.

    “…which have been repeatedly and officially discredited.”

    Really? Galileo has been discredited? Maybe in Rick Perry world, but in the real world, shit still doesn’t fall at free-fall speed through significant concrete resistance without explosive help.

  • 5by5

    “There is simply no mention of these theories, deemed fringe ideas….”

    1/3rd of all Americans  have doubts about the official story, and an even higher percentage of people in the rest of the world.

    “Deemed” fringe by whom? The NY Times? The newspaper that blindly believed it when Rummy said, “We know where the weapons of mass destruction are….” These are the mental midgets who bought that lie, but I’m supposed to buy what they “deem” to be true?

    Gimme a serious break. I’d believe McClatchy (who back when they were Knight-Ridder at least got the Iraq story and the lack of WMD’s right) before I’d believe those goobers.

    “…which have been repeatedly and officially discredited.”

    Really? Galileo has been discredited? Maybe in Rick Perry world, but in the real world, shit still doesn’t fall at free-fall speed through significant concrete resistance without explosive help.

  • 5by5

    “There is simply no mention of these theories, deemed fringe ideas….”

    1/3rd of all Americans  have doubts about the official story, and an even higher percentage of people in the rest of the world.

    “Deemed” fringe by whom? The NY Times? The newspaper that blindly believed it when Rummy said, “We know where the weapons of mass destruction are….” These are the mental midgets who bought that lie, but I’m supposed to buy what they “deem” to be true?

    Gimme a serious break. I’d believe McClatchy (who back when they were Knight-Ridder at least got the Iraq story and the lack of WMD’s right) before I’d believe those goobers.

    “…which have been repeatedly and officially discredited.”

    Really? Galileo has been discredited? Maybe in Rick Perry world, but in the real world, shit still doesn’t fall at free-fall speed through significant concrete resistance without explosive help.

  • Tuna Ghost

    First responders called the fire “severe” and noted a gigantic goddam hole in the south wall caused by debris that they claim was about 20 stories high.  Big hole, severe fires, building fall down.  They were planning on pulling it down themselves like they did with building six, but it collapsed first.  There are numerous quotes from first responders detailing how they knew the building was going to collapse, how they pulled all their men out, how the fires were very severe, and how there was a big goddam hole in the south wall.  What reason do we have to doubt their opinion?

  • Tuna Ghost

    Pulling the building is demolition term for taking the build down. 

    If you had a lot of knowledge on demolition, you would know that “pulling it” means pulling a damaged building down with cables.  Like they did with building 6.  They had planned on doing the same to WTC 7, but it collapsed first.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    Building 7 wasn’t even that damaged in the video before it fell… 

    According to first responders at the scene, it was very damaged.  They reported a hole in the south wall twenty stories in size and described the fires as “very severe”.  They knew the building was going to come down so they ordered all their men out.  They were going to pull it down with cables, like building 6, but it saved them the trouble by collapsing first.  What reason do we have to doubt the claims of the men who were there at the scene?

  • Tuna Ghost

    Would you mind terribly if you cited that quote from the Buddha?  

  • Tuna Ghost

    I know, right?  I have a theory about Queen Victoria being a werewolf and those fucks don’t give me the time of day.  “Doctor Who is not a valid source” my ASS.  That show is a documentary filmed in real time, they just want you to think its a fictitious sci-fi TV show.  

  • Drinky McGee

    I didn’t say that at all. I said that they have a desire for objectivity and truth. There’s a big difference between desiring something and achieving it.  If it’s infallibility you’re after, I’m afraid you’re inhabiting the wrong reality.

    P.S. Wikipedia is a free site run mostly by volunteers. If you disagree with the way they run things, feel free not to use it.  There are many other sources of information.  Read your Funk and Wagnall’s. Readjust the tinfoil on your hat until you’re receiving David Icke. Fart the Star-Spangled Banner out your butt and summon the ghost of Henry Ford.  Whatever.

  • Drinky McGee

    I didn’t say that at all. I said that they have a desire for objectivity and truth. There’s a big difference between desiring something and achieving it.  If it’s infallibility you’re after, I’m afraid you’re inhabiting the wrong reality.

    P.S. Wikipedia is a free site run mostly by volunteers. If you disagree with the way they run things, feel free not to use it.  There are many other sources of information.  Read your Funk and Wagnall’s. Readjust the tinfoil on your hat until you’re receiving David Icke. Fart the Star-Spangled Banner out your butt and summon the ghost of Henry Ford.  Whatever.

  • Tuna Ghost

    But the towers didn’t fall at free-fall speed.  You can see in most of the videos that the inner core (of the south building anyway) was still standing after most of the dust and loose debris had already reached the ground.  

  • Drinky McGee

    They don’t want you to know that the Daleks knocked down those buildings.

  • Dueyv9

    There are facts and there are “peer pressured” facts.

  • MasoMystic

    The ignorant people on this page is overwhelming. I dont know where half you people are getting your information? popular mechanics? there is far more fingers being pointed and PROOF that things didnt go down the way they said they were..

    Again..stupid ignorant people…when will we stop protecting and standing up for those who are destroying everything around us.

  • MasoMystic

    Tuna Ghost you are one of the biggesrt morons on here. I think ive said this about 5 times before but seriously dude you are a complete joke. I think you do get your information from popular mechanics..

    What about alll those firefighters who heard bangs go off when there wasnt even any planes? oh another crackpot theory,…You fucking moron

  • MasoMystic

    Actually there are theories out there by professionals who see things much differently then you do.
    Check out Dimitri Khalezov. he is far smarter and more educated then anyone who trolls this site i tell ya. You should also check out jeff p ragers free books on the subjects. If these 2 people cant show you something is seriously wrong then you are just wanting to see wht you want to see and thatgs it.

    Just because yo u were there does not give you the right to deny something. I dont even know if i believe that you saw those planes. But the point is just because yo uwere there dont give u shit right to call someone elses theory a conspiracy theory. grow up.

  • MasoMystic

    YOU ARE A POPULAR MECHANIC GUY HAHAHAHAHAHA go away now..your anoying.

  • MasoMystic

    Dimitri Khalezov did. and he also worked for the upper echelons of the goverments and knew damn well what this was all about.  really u people should stop watching and reading alex jones and popular mechanics and start finding the research that really makes sense.

  • MasoMystic

    Why because people demand the truth? you wanna know whats disgusting mr america. The hundreds of thousands of people who have died BECAUSE of 9/11 you sick fuck,..

    Whether 9/11 was a conspiracy or not the fact that you shitty americans allow your military to continue to kill over it a decade later shows your character as people and shows that you stupid overweight logs’s opinions on anything really dont matter anymore.

  • MasoMystic

    LOL what you saw with your own eyes was NOTHING you fucking moron. Just becuse yo uwere there does not mean it gives you the right to know everything..

    Cause you wanna know what else mr big..there has been plenty of people who were there and they heard the bombs going off before the planes hit the place…so dont give us that bullshit excuse you retartd

  • Drinky McGee

    I hate to be critical, but “retard” is one of those words you really should make an effort to spell correctly.

  • MasoMystic

    What about good ol william cooper who warned the american people in July of that year that there would be a terrorist attack on new york (or la) and they would blame osama bin laden…

    Why is it that all the military might of the america’s couldnt find osama in the late 90’s  early 00’s but when some crackpot reporter decides to do an interview with him the reporter finds him hanging out in a cave.

    Yes the warning signs have been there before 9/11. William cooper was shot to death by 5 cops a month later. Alex Jones stole his material and made a name for himself..

    Anyone who think 9/11 wasnt suspicious should read jeff pragers books…if your not willing to do that then keep your nose out of this subject because obviously you only give a fuck about your own opinions..

    And as i said earlier..whether it was a conspiracy or not (and far more information shows it was) the fact remains..civilians are dying everyday, hundreds of thousands have died already over this 9/11 bullshit..one thing you cant deny (but u wlil) is that they used this to further employ their agenda…

    And as it was once said in politics..NOTHING happens in politics that isnt planned. NOTHING. Use your fuckign commen sense you  retarted americans..everyone else sees the truth now its time for you to wake up or stay asleep and find your country burned to the ground because it will happen if you keep allowing your pathetic ignorance to control your common sense.

  • Albury Smith
  • MasoMystic

    Here is some science is here is some math. this isnt popular mechanics.

    http://www.dimitri-khalezov-video.com/

  • MasoMystic

    Here is some science is here is some math. this isnt popular mechanics.

    http://www.dimitri-khalezov-video.com/

  • MasoMystic

    Here is some science is here is some math. this isnt popular mechanics.

    http://www.dimitri-khalezov-video.com/

  • Albury Smith

    Says someone who’s never read NCSTAR 1A, 1-9, 1-9A, or looked at a tower collapse video, in which most of the NCSTAR 1 hypothesis is in plain sight (a tough break for the 9/11 “truth movement”)…

  • Albury Smith

    Says someone who’s never read NCSTAR 1A, 1-9, 1-9A, or looked at a tower collapse video, in which most of the NCSTAR 1 hypothesis is in plain sight (a tough break for the 9/11 “truth movement”)…

  • jasonpaulhayes

    After reading the majority of comments on this post and far too many all over the web, I fully support Wikipedia censoring “Truthers”. I typically don’t discuss 9/11 for the reason that any potentially respectful approach to a “9/11 Truth Movement” has been hijacked by reactionary non-thought.

    Note: This is a view coming from a UFO witness, another topic I have also learned (painfully) to reserve most of my comments on.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btKIxyrMp2M

    • MoralDrift

      While I understand where you are coming from…..I also understand why so many “truthers” as they have been dubbed, froth at the mouth so. It is because 9/11 has been used to justify bombing nearly every country in the middle east and to radically redefine American justice and rights in the 21st century.

      It is also the swift way in which the official story was crammed down our collective red, white, and blue throats like a bitter tasting medicine. many of us chose to spit it up immediately or hurl our guts out after we saw what our country was becoming years later. Many still hold onto the official belief, self-righteously admonishing the rest of us to take our medicine. Unfortunately, even if we swallow the ugly lie, the reality has never been more clear 10 years later.

      Is our country stronger or weaker, more unified or more divisive? Undeniably weaker, unquestionably divided, the patient is truly sick. And if you watch the news, or listen to our elected leadership, you might notice a familiar thing…that what they describe and prescribe does not mesh with reality. So what I’m saying is, shrill “truthers”, loony “birthers” hell even the misguided and self-sacrificing tea party are symptoms of a collective consciousness that is rupturing at the seams.

      The tendency post 9/11 to shut down debate, to marginalize, to call into question the sanity or patriotism of those who question the clearly bogus narrative we have been fed for so many years is the other side of the coin. In this great unraveling, many coat their psyches with the authoritative musings of experts and politicians, serious minded people who make them feel warm and soothe the symptoms of national crisis. I don;t blame them either….it must feel good to think our biggest problems are Muslims and that the economy is not in systemic crisis. I wish I lived in that world. I think you are somewhere in between, which is probably not a bad view to take…all I’m saying is in an admittedly long reply, is that official conspiracy or alternative conspiracy…10 years of arguments later, Rome is burning.

      • Tuna Ghost

        I can sympathize with Truthers, I really can.  Many of my friends are Truthers, and they’re not stupid people–they’ve just been lied to by someone other than the US government (who, it should be noted, is also lying to them on a daily basis).  My first thought on 9/11 was that the government was involved somehow, and watching the Iraq tragedy unfold only strengthened my suspicions.  But it’s not a case of either/or here, one can truly believe that the US government is concerned only with its own financial and political aspirations and will fuck anyone in the way of those goals and think that two planes hit the WTC towers and then they fell down, end of story.  Its no secret the US doesn’t give a fuck about terror attacks.  They knew that going into Iraq would only increase terror attacks at home and abroad (basically every single intelligence agency told them that).  They went in anyway, and it sure as fuck wasn’t because they thought there were weapons of mass destruction there.  They simply don’t give a fuck about terror attacks when it comes down to it.  

        You’re correct in that Truthers are just another symptom of a populace that is getting fed up with the status quo, just like the Tea Party.  They’re scared and they want answers, and the answers they’re getting aren’t good enough.  And anything that keeps the populace fighting each other instead of doing something that could actually make real changes is A-OK as far as the government is concerned.

        • jasonpaulhayes

          Tea Party Zombies Must Die !

          “I charge this feeble product of god … laughing, drenched in the bile of millions. Chewing on the stinking flesh of the crown of creation” Jens Kidman

        • Goodguy

          Youisforsureapartofthebadguysspeadingliesandyoushouldknoweveryoneknowswhattheireyesshowthemandrememberthemoltenmetalinthebasementandexplosionsinthebasementwhywouldfiremenlie?

      • jasonpaulhayes

        My view is really quite simple, as I’ve said many times before and will again “Thinking deeply does not necessarily mean you are thinking clearly”. That’s really what it’s about for me, it’s symptomatic of a larger problem that includes a lack of a disciplined approach to inquiry, tendency for debate to be reduced to argument, a lack of critical thinking and problem solving skills … that’s where my criticism rests.

        Mao was right about one thing and I think we all know what that was. There must be accountability for the treason committed against the free peoples of the world. I’m done debating the What, When and Where … its time for all to face the reality of Who and Why. The “9/11 Truth Movement” has been hijacked and people are slowly learning that.

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      That video made my day.

      I do feel the confederate hat is demeaning to people who believe in states rights though

  • http://twitter.com/jasonpaulhayes jasonpaulhayes

    After reading the majority of comments on this post and far too many all over the web, I fully support Wikipedia censoring “Truthers”. I typically don’t discuss 9/11 for the reason that any potentially respectful approach to a “9/11 Truth Movement” has been hijacked by reactionary non-thought.

    Note: This is a view coming from a UFO witness, another topic I have also learned (painfully) to reserve most of my comment on.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btKIxyrMp2M

  • DeWitt

    A 20 story high hole on 1 side and it still fell straight down? yeah right that makes sense, please pass the kool-aid

  • DeWitt

    I don’t remember my tv being all that grainy, but what I saw was a plane flying sideways with the nose headed away from Tower 2 go behind the building and then the front blew out ( where it supposedly hit)…  never made sense to me from Day 1

  • Anon

    There’s no need to test for thermite because we know that none was there. We can find teeth, but no black boxes. Right folks?  

    • Albury Smith

      What did the thermite do? No steel was found with melted ends on it.

  • Anon

    There’s no need to test for thermite because we know that none was there. We can find teeth, but no black boxes. Right folks?  

  • Wanooski

    EXTERMEENATE!

  • Wanooski

    Typos and spelling errors aren’t quite the same thing.

  • The Fool

    no matter WHAT you believe about 9/11, it involved a CONSPIRACY. people need to GET THE FUCK OVER THAT WORD. it was either a conspiracy of 19 brown guys from the middle east (the official story), or some other collaboration of efforts to bring about a desired goal, possibly a small faction within a/some foreign/domestic intelligence agency/ies that had the motivation and means to plan and execute such an operation (which would be hardly surprising, especially in this day and age).

  • The Fool

    no matter WHAT you believe about 9/11, it involved a CONSPIRACY. people need to GET THE FUCK OVER THAT WORD. it was either a conspiracy of 19 brown guys from the middle east (the official story), or some other collaboration of efforts to bring about a desired goal, possibly a small faction within a/some foreign/domestic intelligence agency/ies that had the motivation and means to plan and execute such an operation (which would be hardly surprising, especially in this day and age).

  • Albury Smith

    What did the thermite do? No steel was found with melted ends on it.

  • IWhipMyWeinerBackNForth

    I agree. Like, I can’t start a conversation ANYWHERE on the internet without a rabid horde of truthers descending upon my conversation, vomiting up all the old, tired buzzwords and talking points (“free-fall speed!”, “Building 7!”, “Thermite!” “First time in history!”) to try to force the participants to believe in THEIR version of the story. Guh… They’re like the Thought Police of the internet.

  • Mariposa

    http://www.debunking911.com/

    Haters gonnna hate!

    :D

  • Mariposa

    http://www.debunking911.com/

    Haters gonnna hate!

    :D

  • DeWitt

    I prefer the South Park version. Bush started the conspiracy theories because it made him look smarter to be able to pull it off and get away with it than to be responsible for all the security lapses occurring at just the right time.

  • DeWitt

    I prefer the South Park version. Bush started the conspiracy theories because it made him look smarter to be able to pull it off and get away with it than to be responsible for all the security lapses occurring at just the right time.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I don’t have to agree with any of the specific single theories to be concerned that an attempt to shelve them out of sight is a troubling choice. It isn’t relevant that this theory or that theory may not be the one true answer…what is relevant is that the entire issue is subject to intense and furious debate, the facts are not all in, the jury is still out on a wide enough variety of subjects that even some of the former commissioners are calling for new investigations…so arbitrarily deciding that view A deserves full coverage and view B deserves to be shunted into the background…is pretty clearly a signal that many people should simply cease to make use of Wikipedia or at least disallow it as having any credibility when it comes to controversial topics. Any site that labors to avoid controversy faces choices…and if their goal is to avoid controversy…then no matter what the topic is…they will wind up discarding issues that deserve coverage or at least mention.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I don’t have to agree with any of the specific single theories to be concerned that an attempt to shelve them out of sight is a troubling choice. It isn’t relevant that this theory or that theory may not be the one true answer…what is relevant is that the entire issue is subject to intense and furious debate, the facts are not all in, the jury is still out on a wide enough variety of subjects that even some of the former commissioners are calling for new investigations…so arbitrarily deciding that view A deserves full coverage and view B deserves to be shunted into the background…is pretty clearly a signal that many people should simply cease to make use of Wikipedia or at least disallow it as having any credibility when it comes to controversial topics. Any site that labors to avoid controversy faces choices…and if their goal is to avoid controversy…then no matter what the topic is…they will wind up discarding issues that deserve coverage or at least mention.

  • Malkiyahu

    That’s such a lame cop-out. Infallibility in an encyclopedia article is not really hard. Wikipedia is simply a failure as an encyclopedia. It’s pretty clear that a heck of a lot of the volunteers on Wikipedia have no desire whatsoever for objectivity and truth, they just want their beliefs in an encyclopedia.

  • Mvonballmo

    > Infallibility in an encyclopedia article is not really hard.

    Yeah! That shit is so easy. Wait, what?

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    While I’ll agree that your suggestions for alternative sources of information are about as accurate as Wikipedia in some cases, I’ll continue to use it when convenient with the understanding that Wikipedia has an agenda, just like everybody else.

  • Malkiyahu

    It’s not that difficult. Maybe if you put your pipe down, it wouldn’t be so hard.

  • Malkiyahu

    It’s not that difficult. Maybe if you put your pipe down, it wouldn’t be so hard.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    I agree that most of the alternative theories of 9-11 don’t hold water, but that doesn’t change the fact that the “Official” version doesn’t hold water, either.

    When the guys involved in writing it come out later and say that is suffers from a disjunction with reality, that carries some weight.

    Sure, the lies were probably just to cover some asses over some mistakes, lapses, or incompetence.

    It’s still a pack of lies though.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    I agree that most of the alternative theories of 9-11 don’t hold water, but that doesn’t change the fact that the “Official” version doesn’t hold water, either.

    When the guys involved in writing it come out later and say that is suffers from a disjunction with reality, that carries some weight.

    Sure, the lies were probably just to cover some asses over some mistakes, lapses, or incompetence.

    It’s still a pack of lies though.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Hey now, lets try to be civil.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Hey now, lets try to be civil.

  • Nano_Thermite_911

    Amen 5by5!!  I could not have said it better myself.

  • Nano_Thermite_911

    Amen 5by5!!  I could not have said it better myself.

  • WeAreChangeAtlanta

    Building 7 did. NIST Admits it.  It’s the implications they avoid discussing.  
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

  • Anonymous

    While I understand where you are coming from…..I also understand why so many “truthers” as they have been dubbed, froth at the mouth so. It is because 9/11 has been used to justify bombing nearly every country in the middle east and to radically redefine American justice and rights in the 21st century.

    It is also the swift way in which the official story was crammed down our collective red, white, and blue throats like a bitter tasting medicine. many of us chose to spit it up immediately or hurl our guts out after we saw what our country was becoming years later. Many still hold onto the official belief, self-righteously admonishing the rest of us to take our medicine. Unfortunately, even if we swallow the ugly lie, the reality has never been more clear 10 years later.

    Is our country stronger or weaker, more unified or more divisive? Undeniably weaker, unquestionably divided, the patient is truly sick. And if you watch the news, or listen to our elected leadership, you might notice a familiar thing…that what they describe and prescribe does not mesh with reality. So what I’m saying is, shrill “truthers”, loony “birthers” hell even the misguided and self-sacrificing tea party are symptoms of a collective consciousness that is rupturing at the seams.

    The tendency post 9/11 to shut down debate, to marginalize, to call into question the sanity or patriotism of those who question the clearly bogus narrative we have been fed for so many years is the other side of the coin. In this great unraveling, many coat their psyches with the authoritative musings of experts and politicians, serious minded people who make them feel warm and soothe the symptoms of national crisis. I don;t blame them either….it must feel good to think our biggest problems are Muslims and that the economy is not in systemic crisis. I wish I lived in that world. I think you are somewhere in between, which is probably not a bad view to take…all I’m saying is in an admittedly long reply, is that official conspiracy or alternative conspiracy…10 years of arguments later, Rome is burning.

  • Tuna Ghost

    …aren’t you the guy who was trying to convince people it was some sort of NUCLEAR detonation some months ago?  Or was that some other MasoMystic telling people there was a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION?

  • Tuna Ghost

    What was your theory again, MasoMystic?  Some sort of nuclear detonation?  That’s what you were telling us earlier this year, wasn’t it? 

  • Tuna Ghost

    care to address the claims of the men who were there at the scene?  No?  Because you can’t, because you have no way to counter them?  What’s that you say?  “All I can do is whine and cry and call people names, all I have done is whine and cry and call people names because I am incapable of having a discussion about this subject like an adult”?  Oh my dear that’s okay, keep telling us about the nuclear explosion or whatever it is you’re selling while the grown-ups talk.  No, no, I promise we’re listening.  No one thinks you’re a child crying for attention. 

    No one.

    No one at all. 

  • Drinky McGee

    Pope Benedict? Is that you?

  • Drinky McGee

    I think their agenda is a relatively decent one. I don’t believe that thousands of nerds around the world are rubbing their hands together in mom’s basement and plotting to cover up government chicanery. Well, they might be rubbing their hands together, but it’s for an entirely different reason.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Agreed.

    But they are a group and a hierarchy and sometimes they get off track, even from their own stated goals.

    But all in all they do a pretty good job.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Did you expect it to fall over like a tree?  I can supply you with a detailed, lucid, easy-to-understand article, published in Structure Magazine, on how it collapsed.  It even has diagrams.  You’re welcome to see it and point out where you think the fault lies.  

    But again I must ask, what reason do we have to doubt the first responders, the men who said they could feel the building shaking while they were in it, that they knew the thing was about to fall any second so they ordered all their men out?  Why would they lie?  

  • Tuna Ghost

    I’ve been accused of this a number of times by Truthers on this site, and to be perfectly honest it sounds much more exciting than my actual life.  I’m willing to let people believe this.  Maybe one of them will tell my mother and she’ll think I’m successful or something.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    And as it was once said in politics..NOTHING happens in politics that isnt planned. NOTHING.

    Well that is just plain stupid.  You think all the sex scandals are planned?  You think the leaked info about America testing syphilis meds on poor guatemalans was planned?  The anti-gay republicans busted for banging dudes?  All the conspiracies that get found out are planned?  By who, the fucking Illuminati?  You’re giving the US government far, far too much credit, kid.  They fuck up just as much as any other bloated, bureaucratic organization.

    An operation of the size and scope of 9/11 would have involved far too much planning and far too many people to pull off without any information, any information at all, being leaked.  That’s why the US government doesn’t get its hands dirty when it operates in foreign countries.  It gets other people to do its dirty work for it.  Why change strategies when operating on its own territory, when everyone will be watching that much closer?  Why not just let the people who want to do it succeed?  

    Seriously though.  That’s not a rhetorical question.

  • Tuna Ghost

    I can sympathize with Truthers, I really can.  Many of my friends are Truthers, and they’re not stupid people–they’ve just been lied to by someone other than the US government (who, it should be noted, is also lying to them on a daily basis).  My first thought on 9/11 was that the government was involved somehow, and watching the Iraq tragedy unfold only strengthened my suspicions.  But it’s not a case of either/or here, one can truly believe that the US government is concerned only with its own financial and political aspirations and will fuck anyone in the way of those goals and think that two planes hit the WTC towers and then they fell down, end of story.  Its no secret the US doesn’t give a fuck about terror attacks.  They knew that going into Iraq would only increase terror attacks at home and abroad (basically every single intelligence agency told them that).  They went in anyway, and it sure as fuck wasn’t because they thought there were weapons of mass destruction there.  They simply don’t give a fuck about terror attacks when it comes down to it.  

    You’re correct in that Truthers are just another symptom of a populace that is getting fed up with the status quo, just like the Tea Party.  They’re scared and they want answers, and the answers they’re getting aren’t good enough.  And anything that keeps the populace fighting each other instead of doing something that could actually make real changes is A-OK as far as the government is concerned.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Man, The Shit is too big for some to even conceptualize…

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Man, The Shit is too big for some to even conceptualize…

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    actually that sounds like a really interesting read, is it paper only or do you have links?

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Noo noo it was HAARP that opened up the atmosphere to let a powerful cosmic wave or something that blew up the place.

    Honestly I’m pretty neutral in the debate but that was always my favorite “theory”

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Lets just start using philosophical arguments as random insults:

    Oh yeah? well that observation was a strawman!

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Lets just start using philosophical arguments as random insults:

    Oh yeah? well that observation was a strawman!

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    That video made my day.

    I do feel the confederate hat is demeaning to people who believe in states rights though

  • Locke

    No, I am referring to the one-time posters who share only the most obligatory of responses. I see them all over this page.

  • Tuna Ghost

    It’s more fun to shout them while pointing a wand, a la Harry Potter.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc
  • http://twitter.com/jasonpaulhayes jasonpaulhayes

    My view is really quite simple, as I’ve said many times before and will again “Thinking deeply does not necessarily mean you are thinking clearly”. That’s really what it’s about for me, it’s symptomatic of a larger problem that includes a lack of a disciplined approach to inquiry, tendency for debate to be reduced to argument, a lack of critical thinking and problem solving skills … that’s where my criticism rests.

    Mao was right about one thing and I think we all know what that was. There must be accountability for the treason committed against the free peoples of the world. I’m done debating the What, When and Where … its time for all to face the reality of Who and Why. The “9/11 Truth Movement” has been hijacked and people are slowly learning that.

  • http://twitter.com/jasonpaulhayes jasonpaulhayes

    Tea Party Zombies Must Die !

    “I charge this feeble product of god … laughing, drenched in the bile of millions. Chewing on the stinking flesh of the crown of creation” Jens Kidman

  • Tuna Ghost

    NIST admitted it fell at free-fall speed?  Could you provide a link for this claim?  

  • Tuna Ghost

    Beat me to it!  I find that link very useful.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    Mine is the one that claims there were no planes at all.  I forget how the rest goes, but ya gotta love the balls on that guy to say “nah man there weren’t any planes, it’s a conspiracy!”

  • Tuna Ghost

    Mine is the one that claims there were no planes at all.  I forget how the rest goes, but ya gotta love the balls on that guy to say “nah man there weren’t any planes, it’s a conspiracy!”

  • Michaelanthony909

    As I read these comments I see almost a perfect representative blend of disinformation, misinformation, fact and fiction being regurgitated from all you good little students out there (just like you’ve always been trained to do – memorize and repeat – whatever you do DO NOT THINK CRITICALLY on your own).  This is the ideal recipe for squashing any descent from ANY “Official Story”.  Any alternative dialogue has become so diluted with nonsense and purposeful misinformation, the under- and uneducated about this topic can’t “see the forest through the trees!”  As a long time patron of disinfo.com it saddens me to come to this conclusion but I’ve been sensing/realizing it for quite some time now; disinfo.com has been infiltrated by COINTELPROs for quite some time.  It’s either that or it has been misdirected by a bunch of people too scared, stubborn or ignorant to recognize reality from the matrix surrounding them.  Personally, I believe it’s a little of both.  It’s sad that it seems intelligent discussions about alternative or frindge theories are no longer welcome at this site.  As a scientist who started out as a complete skeptic (and remained one for 6 years until 2007) and was even offended at the idea that some people out there were perpetuating a conspiracy theory about 9/11, and after over 300 hours of research on this topic, a see-saw battle of my beliefs/belief structure, I am only convinced of ONE THING when it comes to the horrible events of 9/11:  The “Official Theory” put forth by the Gov’t and Mainstream Media is just as much a CONSPIRACY THEORY as anything else out there on the web or in a book.  But don’t take my word for it, I would much rather you do the research and decide for yourself.

  • Michaelanthony909

    As I read these comments I see almost a perfect representative blend of disinformation, misinformation, fact and fiction being regurgitated from all you good little students out there (just like you’ve always been trained to do – memorize and repeat – whatever you do DO NOT THINK CRITICALLY on your own).  This is the ideal recipe for squashing any descent from ANY “Official Story”.  Any alternative dialogue has become so diluted with nonsense and purposeful misinformation, the under- and uneducated about this topic can’t “see the forest through the trees!”  As a long time patron of disinfo.com it saddens me to come to this conclusion but I’ve been sensing/realizing it for quite some time now; disinfo.com has been infiltrated by COINTELPROs for quite some time.  It’s either that or it has been misdirected by a bunch of people too scared, stubborn or ignorant to recognize reality from the matrix surrounding them.  Personally, I believe it’s a little of both.  It’s sad that it seems intelligent discussions about alternative or frindge theories are no longer welcome at this site.  As a scientist who started out as a complete skeptic (and remained one for 6 years until 2007) and was even offended at the idea that some people out there were perpetuating a conspiracy theory about 9/11, and after over 300 hours of research on this topic, a see-saw battle of my beliefs/belief structure, I am only convinced of ONE THING when it comes to the horrible events of 9/11:  The “Official Theory” put forth by the Gov’t and Mainstream Media is just as much a CONSPIRACY THEORY as anything else out there on the web or in a book.  But don’t take my word for it, I would much rather you do the research and decide for yourself.

    • Tuna Ghost

      Tell me, Neo, when will you rescue me from the Matrix?  If I promise not to stain it, can I wear your leather jacket?  Can I meet Trinity?

  • Ewop07

    Have you ever seen or visited the World Trade Center Buildings in person, or you think you know about it because you read bullshit on the internet or watch a YouTube video? I was born and raised in Brooklyn, NY York and worked in Building 1 for 5yrs. For your information building 6 was a small building around 8 stories that was pretty much destroyed from the collapse of building 1. The remains of building 6 and the rest of the small buildings was demolished to as part of the cleanup. I know I WAS THERE, WERE YOU!!! I lost friends, and associates in that building so don’t try to fucking tell me what I know! Fuck what you read. My father worked in demolition for over 20 yrs until he died of cancer in 1986. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, PULLING A BUILDING IS A DEMOLITION TERM USED FOR TAKING A BUILDING DOWN! I never mentioned the way the building was taken down.  Only an ignorant ass would try to compare what the fuck they read on the internet to what someone lived through!!   

  • WeAreChangeAtlanta

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDvNS9iMjzA  not hard to find.  Google, NIST admits freefall

  • Nano_Thermite_911

    Umm can you substantiate this baseless assertion “the vast majority of the scientific community agrees with the “official” theory”   Oh really…. please provide the vote or polling that would make this in anyway feasible.    “The opinions that matter most”  ok man you have got some serious issues with sucking up to the power structure.  What makes one engineer’s perspective more valuable than another?  Is it when one is hired by the government in your mind?  It sure seems that way….

  • Nano_Thermite_911

    Oh poor guy, you can’t go anywhere without people bringing up evidence that refutes the gov’ts conpsiracy theory.  You poor poor baby.  I’m sorry that you are being forced to think and that you wont’ be able to rest in the comfortable complacency of the big lie anymore.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    That’s rather the problem with offering personal anecdotes as some kind of evidence in an online forum, isn’t it?  “I’m not racist, my best friend is black” and so on.  Pretty hard to substantiate,eh?  Pretty hard to discern who is telling the truth and who is just trying to get leverage.  Since you’re using your personal anecdote to throw a fit and notably not address the subject, well, I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but regardless: your point still isn’t valid. 

  • Tuna Ghost

    I watched that video and heard a high school physics teacher speculating that the people on stage meant something other than what they were saying.  That is hardly evidence, guy.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Tell me, Neo, when will you rescue me from the Matrix?  If I promise not to stain it, can I wear your leather jacket?  Can I meet Trinity?

  • Tuna Ghost

    Here’s an easy method you can learn in logic class.  Try it right now.  It’s called “reductio ad absurdum”.  Assume the opposite, then follow it and see if it squares with reality.  I think you’ll find, if you’re looking honestly and without prejudice, that it does not.   

  • Nou

    More like, wikipussia.

  • Nou

    More like, wikipussia.

  • WeAreChangeAtlanta

    http://www2.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999083Here are a few of David Chandlers credentials.BS-Physics (IPS); MS-Mathematics  BS from Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA (IPS major–independent program of studies with emphasis in physics and engineering); MA in education from Claremont Graduate University; MS in mathematics from Cal Poly, Pomona. Physics/Mathematics/Astronomy educator at K-12 and Jr. college levels. Formerly on editorial board of The Physics Teacher (AAPT journal). Designer and inventor of educational materials emphasizing quantitative visualization. Author.So Tuna.  This “High School Physics” Teacher has 2 degrees from formidable institutions.  His analysis of the collapse of WTC 7 using software actually forced NIST to admit free fall indistinguishable from gravity for 2.25 seconds in their collapse scenarios.So your appeal to ridicule is unfounded again.What credentials do you posses if any that would enable you to make a judgement on the quality of David Chandler’s work again?  What credentials do you possess period?  Why should anyone listen to you and not the immense amount of credentialed experts? It is evidence pal.   NIST was forced to admit free fall because of this “high school physic teachers” research.  Perhaps you should do your homework.
    Here is David explaining pre and post admission of the scientific fact of free fall with WTC 7.
    If you have 10 minutes to actually listen to the other sides argument you may save yourself a lot of embarrassment down the line.  Of course we both know you have no intention of seeking the truth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af6-NF15CNU

  • Misinformation

    It’s unfortunate that you’re replies are so full of anger and hate…even if you have a couple good things to say, you’ll never win anyone over to your side. I’m assuming you’re new to “internet debate”, and I use the phrase loosely. I say you must be new because I too began as extremely vitriolic and hateful but it just really turns people off.

    Really though, what I wanted to say after reading all of your “you American’s” comments is, wow, you must come from the most benign country on the planet. I wish I could be a citizen of a nation that does no wrong in the world, it must feel swell. Congratulations on helping to usher in the perfect government of whatever country it is that you’re too shy to name. Thanks for making every effort to save the world.

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  • ArgosyJones

    I’m going to have to defend you on this one, MasoMystic!

    Nuclear 9/11 is not a conspiracy theory; it is a disease.  

  • Anonymous

    Watch Dimitri Khalezov to learn exactly what happened on 9/11 and read the blog post listed below for some support evidence for Dimitri’s testimony:

    – 9/11: The Third Truth – Dimitri Khalezov (1of2 Full)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNuKAdGlxFo

    – 9/11: The Third Truth – Dimitri Khalezov (2of2 Full)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c39O-ftZboU

    – Ask Questions Blog: Support Evidence for Dimitri Khalezov’s 9/11 Testimony (List of links)
    http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/support-ing-evidence-for-dimitri.html

  • anthonyc31

    Watch Dimitri Khalezov to learn exactly what happened on 9/11 and read the blog post listed below for some support evidence for Dimitri’s testimony:

    – 9/11: The Third Truth – Dimitri Khalezov (1of2 Full)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNuKAdGlxFo

    – 9/11: The Third Truth – Dimitri Khalezov (2of2 Full)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c39O-ftZboU

    – Ask Questions Blog: Support Evidence for Dimitri Khalezov’s 9/11 Testimony (List of links)
    http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/support-ing-evidence-for-dimitri.html

    • Clever Screenname

      Complete nonsense.  If you want the facts stick to the pros.
      Ae911Truth.org
      911blogger.com
      RememberBuilding7.org
      Space Beams and TV Fakery are Red Herrings designed to Poison the Well. Shame on Disinfo Shills.

      • anthonyc31

        You can stick to the disinfo “pros” if you want to keep chasing your tail or you make yourself a pot of coffee, sit down and watch Dimitri explain what happened on 9/11. Take notes and try to debunk his testimony, then, when you realize you can’t debunk it (many have tried and failed), come back here and help real 9/11 researchers get the word out.

        • Clever Screenname

          Translation. Watch this 3 hour meandering piece of nonsense, put logic, technical expertise in related fields of structural engineering and architecture aside and listen to this far fetched red herring, be sure to take notes and then debunk it…..  How about this.  You choose what you think is his strongest piece of evidence, just one thing, it is an internet forum after all, can’t get too discursive from the beginning, and you present why you believe it is valid.  

          • anthonyc31

            People can make up their own minds … they don’t need you or me to tell them what to believe. As for my “strongest piece of evidence”, well, how about you share what you think happened, then share your strongest piece of evidence that proves your beliefs.

            As for Dimitri, he doesn’t need my help, or anyone elses help for that matter. Dimitri provides ample evidence for EACH of his claims. In fact, there’s so much evidence to support his detailed explanation, that 4 hours isn’t enough time to showcase all the support evidence.

            Seeing as most so-called 9/11 “researchers” have no ability or time to do actual research, i’ll provide a starting point by sharing my work into 9/11.

            1. 911-Bookmarks-20111001 (All 9/11 bookmarks)
            http://www.scribd.com/doc/67107976/911-Bookmarks-20111001

            2. Support Evidence for Dimitri Khalezov’s 9/11 Testimony
            http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/support-ing-evidence-for-dimitri.html

            3. 9/11 Rescue Workers Suffer from Radiation Exposure
            http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/911-rescue-workers-suffer-from-exposure.html

            If you’re a real 9/11 researcher, you will definitely need time to digest and review all this supporting evidence. For everyone else, i suggest watching Part 1 of the Dimitri Khalezov documentary (2 hours) and making up your own minds how to proceed:

            9/11: The Third Truth – Dimitri Khalezov (1of2 Full)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNuKAdGlxFo

          • Clever Screenname

            Who is a “real” 9/11 researcher in your book?  How do you define such a person?  Would the 1,500 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth perhaps outweigh the perspective of your one “9/11 researcher”?

            Ok I will bite.  How do you explain Building 7 collapsing through the path of greatest resistance at speeds indistinguishable from free fall for the initial 2.25 seconds or 100 feet of the building?  Keep in mind this would require the severing of the 58 peremiter columns and 25 outer columns to be destroyed simultaneously thus allowing for a global collapse as seen in the videos.  It also has all of the characteristics one would expect from a controlled demolition.

            Building 7 was 5 times as tall as deep.To bring this building down into its footprint required that all 58 perimeter columns and 25 core columns be destroyed simultaneously.Any asymmetry in damage would cause asymmetric collapse: 
            the building would topple.No combination of rubble impact damage, fires, or fuel tank explosions could have destroyed all columns simultaneously, as required to cause a vertical collapse.Only controlled demolitions have achieved vertical collapses of upright steel structures.

            From Ae911Truth.org (Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth)
            WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
            1. Rapid onset of collapse
            2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building’s destruction
            3. Symmetrical “structural failure” – through the path of greatest resistance –at free-fall acceleration
            4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
            5. Massive volume of expandingpyroclastic-like clouds
            6. Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional
            7. Foreknowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY
            In the the aftermath of WTC7’s destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:
            8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation andintergranular melting on structural steel samples
            9. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses
            10. Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samplesSo why then should we stretch our imagination to include Nuclear devices when there is NO evidence to support that they were employed?  http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/b7/cause.htmlDo you even know what “Dimitri” presents to counter this evidence?  You are championing his research, I wonder what of the 4 hours you find so compelling?  If you can’t summarize it and provide sourced material outside of a 4 hour video I can’t really take your efforts at “9/11 research” seriously.

          • Clever Screenname

            Excuse me I meant to say 58 Peremiter and 25 CORE columns.  Typo!

          • anthonyc31

            If you are truly interested in learning what happened on 9/11, or if you feel strongly in your ability to debunk 9/11 “explanations” and “theories” … watch Dimitri Khalezov in full, and try to debunk his testimony wrt to the demolition of the WTC towers and his explanation of all other 9/11 events. Otherwise, we can all assume that you are truly not interested in learning what happened on 9/11.

          • Clever Screenname

            I’m rubber you’re glue Anthony.  How about you explain Building 7’s immaculate destruction?
            rememberbuilding7.org
            ae911truth.org

          • anthonyc31

            You’re an idiot or you’re a scumbag shill. They usually go hand-in-hand.

            For all others following this thread … my 9/11 research dates back to 2001 when my first google search was “where’s the plane”, which led to a very close review of the Pentagon “attack”. which quickly led to Loose Change and the “thermite” theory. Over the years, i have reviewed and collected hundreds of video clips, photos and articles, and have watched dozens of 9/11 documentaries, until i finally found Dimitri Khalezov last year.

            Nobody / nothing comes close to explaining the events of 9/11 like Dimitri. Furthermore, Dimitri provides testimony, not theory, as to exactly how the WTC buildings (1,2 and 7) were demolished using built-in underground nuclear devices. To be clear, as Dimitri explains, he provides his “humble” opinion about the other events of 9/11, but again, his explanation of the WTC demolitions is TESTIMONY, as he is an FBI material witness.

            Note that 9/11 was a very complicated and elaborate false flag operation. I believe that thermite was used to create the initial explosions at the top of the WTC, where video and photos show “planes” hitting the twin towers. But you must realize that whether you believe the official story of “planes” or whether you believe explosions caused the damage to WTC 1 and 2, the result impact on the buildings had absolutely nothing to do with the ultimate collapse of the 1400′ towers. Remember, nothing hit WTC 7, nor did it experience major explosions. Also note that all 3 towers turned to dust when they collapsed.

            See my links in the above post for more information. Watch at least Part 1 of Dimitri’s explanation, and research the links to additional evidence in the blog post on ac31.blogspot.com

            Good luck in your search for truth … and avoid shills like “Clever Screenname” — they are not interested in learning the truth, they are paid to make noise and try to discredit the the truth.

            Anthony

          • Clever Screenname

            So I take it you you are not able to answer my question and have decided your only hope is to lace your response with pointless ad hominem attacks.  

            So tell me again why Building 7 behaved in the way as listed before hand?  

          • anthonyc31

            You’re wasting your time, i’m not here to debate. I posted everything that’s relevant to this thread … you can investigate the links i posted, or ignore them. The answers to your questions are in Dimitri’s documentary interview. My opinion is irrelevant.

          • Clever Screenname

            So again you yourself don’t understand the material you are selling to everyone as having the ultimate truths about 9/11 within.  Do you not see how this makes it unlikely anyone will believe you?  You are incapable of explaining your perspective and just point to random videos.  You can’t even take one argument of Dimitry’s and explain it apparently.  Or can you, do it already then.  In the meantime don’t you dare try to disparage the work of real researchers.  People died and are still dying so if your not here to debate stop trying to diminish the work of people who understand why we must debate.  

            Here again is my question to you from above.  If you are incapable of meeting this basic challenge you have nothing to offer of relevance to the discussion about 9/11.  Pointing to a youtube video and saying there it’s in there somewhere does not suffice.  Especially when you don’t even know what theories you are supporting.Ok I will bite.  How do you explain Building 7 collapsing through the path of greatest resistance at speeds indistinguishable from free fall for the initial 2.25 seconds or 100 feet of the building?  Keep in mind this would require the severing of the 58 peremiter columns and 25 outer columns to be destroyed simultaneously thus allowing for a global collapse as seen in the videos.  It also has all of the characteristics one would expect from a controlled demolition.Building 7 was 5 times as tall as deep.To bring this building down into its footprint required that all 58 perimeter columns and 25 core columns be destroyed simultaneously.Any asymmetry in damage would cause asymmetric collapse: the building would topple.No combination of rubble impact damage, fires, or fuel tank explosions could have destroyed all columns simultaneously, as required to cause a vertical collapse.Only controlled demolitions have achieved vertical collapses of upright steel structures.From Ae911Truth.org (Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth)WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:1. Rapid onset of collapse2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building’s destruction3. Symmetrical “structural failure” – through the path of greatest resistance –at free-fall acceleration4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint5. Massive volume of expandingpyroclastic-like clouds6. Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional7. Foreknowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNYIn the the aftermath of WTC7’s destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation andintergranular melting on structural steel samples9. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses10. Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samplesSo why then should we stretch our imagination to include Nuclear devices when there is NO evidence to support that they were employed?  http://911research.wtc7.net/ta… you even know what “Dimitri” presents to counter this evidence?  You are championing his research, I wonder what of the 4 hours you find so compelling?  If you can’t summarize it and provide sourced material outside of a 4 hour video I can’t really take your efforts at “9/11 research” seriously.

  • Clever Screenname

    Complete nonsense.  If you want the facts stick to the pros.
    Ae911Truth.org
    911blogger.com
    RememberBuilding7.org
    Space Beams and TV Fakery are Red Herrings designed to Poison the Well. Shame on Disinfo Shills.

  • Anonymous

    You can stick to the disinfo “pros” if you want to keep chasing your tail or you make yourself a pot of coffee, sit down and watch Dimitri explain what happened on 9/11. Take notes and try to debunk his testimony, then, when you realize you can’t debunk it (many have tried and failed), come back here and help real 9/11 researchers get the word out.

  • Clever Screenname

    Translation. Watch this 3 hour meandering piece of nonsense, put logic, technical expertise in related fields of structural engineering and architecture aside and listen to this far fetched red herring, be sure to take notes and then debunk it…..  How about this.  You choose what you think is his strongest piece of evidence, just one thing, it is an internet forum after all, can’t get too discursive from the beginning, and you present why you believe it is valid.  

  • Anonymous

    People can make up their own minds … they don’t need you or me to tell them what to believe. As for my “strongest piece of evidence”, well, how about you share what you think happened, then share your strongest piece of evidence that proves your beliefs.

    As for Dimitri, he doesn’t need my help, or anyone elses help for that matter. Dimitri provides ample evidence for EACH of his claims. In fact, there’s so much evidence to support his detailed explanation, that 4 hours isn’t enough time to showcase all the support evidence.

    Seeing as most so-called 9/11 “researchers” have no ability or time to do actual research, i’ll provide a starting point by sharing my work into 9/11.

    1. 911-Bookmarks-20111001 (All 9/11 bookmarks)
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/67107976/911-Bookmarks-20111001

    2. Support Evidence for Dimitri Khalezov’s 9/11 Testimony
    http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/support-ing-evidence-for-dimitri.html

    3. 9/11 Rescue Workers Suffer from Radiation Exposure
    http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/911-rescue-workers-suffer-from-exposure.html

    If you’re a real 9/11 researcher, you will definitely need time to digest and review all this supporting evidence. For everyone else, i suggest watching Part 1 of the Dimitri Khalezov documentary (2 hours) and making up your own minds how to proceed:

    9/11: The Third Truth – Dimitri Khalezov (1of2 Full)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNuKAdGlxFo

  • Clever Screenname

    Who is a “real” 9/11 researcher in your book?  How do you define such a person?  Would the 1,500 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth perhaps outweigh the perspective of your one “9/11 researcher”?

    Ok I will bite.  How do you explain Building 7 collapsing through the path of greatest resistance at speeds indistinguishable from free fall for the initial 2.25 seconds or 100 feet of the building?  Keep in mind this would require the severing of the 58 peremiter columns and 25 outer columns to be destroyed simultaneously thus allowing for a global collapse as seen in the videos.  It also has all of the characteristics one would expect from a controlled demolition.

    Building 7 was 5 times as tall as deep.To bring this building down into its footprint required that all 58 perimeter columns and 25 core columns be destroyed simultaneously.Any asymmetry in damage would cause asymmetric collapse: 
    the building would topple.No combination of rubble impact damage, fires, or fuel tank explosions could have destroyed all columns simultaneously, as required to cause a vertical collapse.Only controlled demolitions have achieved vertical collapses of upright steel structures.

    From Ae911Truth.org (Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth)
    WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
    1. Rapid onset of collapse
    2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building’s destruction
    3. Symmetrical “structural failure” – through the path of greatest resistance –at free-fall acceleration
    4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
    5. Massive volume of expandingpyroclastic-like clouds
    6. Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional
    7. Foreknowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY
    In the the aftermath of WTC7’s destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:
    8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation andintergranular melting on structural steel samples
    9. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses
    10. Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samplesSo why then should we stretch our imagination to include Nuclear devices when there is NO evidence to support that they were employed?  http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/b7/cause.htmlDo you even know what “Dimitri” presents to counter this evidence?  You are championing his research, I wonder what of the 4 hours you find so compelling?  If you can’t summarize it and provide sourced material outside of a 4 hour video I can’t really take your efforts at “9/11 research” seriously.

  • Clever Screenname

    Excuse me I meant to say 58 Peremiter and 25 CORE columns.  Typo!

  • Anonymous

    You’re an idiot or you’re a scumbag shill. They usually go hand-in-hand.

    For all others following this thread … my 9/11 research dates back to 2001 when my first google search was “where’s the plane”, which lead to a close review of the Pentagon “attack”. which quickly lead to Loose Change and the “thermite” theory. Over the years, i have reviewed and collected hundreds of video clips, photos and articles, and have watched dozens of 9/11 documentaries, until i finally found Dimitri Khalezov.

    Nobody / nothing comes close to explaining the events of 9/11 like Dimitri. Furthermore, Dimitri provides testimony, not theory as to exactly how the WTC buildings (1,2 and 7) were demolished. To be clear, as Dimitri explains, he provides his “humble” opinion about the other events of 9/11, but again, his explanation of the WTC demolitions is TESTIMONY, as he is an FBI material witness.

    See my links in the above post for more information.

    Good luck in your search for truth … and avoid shills like “Clever Screenname” — they are not interested in learning the truth, they are paid to make noise and try to discredit the the truth.

    Anthony

  • Anonymous

    If you are truly interested in learning what happened on 9/11, or if you feel strongly in your ability to debunk 9/11 “explanations” and “theories” … watch Dimitri Khalezov in full, and try to debunk his testimony wrt to the demolition of the WTC towers and his explanation of all other 9/11 events. Otherwise, we can all assume that you are truly not interested in learning what happened on 9/11.

  • Clever Screenname

    So I take it you you are not able to answer my question and have decided your only hope is to lace your response with pointless ad hominem attacks.  

    So tell me again why Building 7 behaved in the way as listed before hand?  

  • Anonymous

    You’re wasting your time, i’m not here to debate. I posted everything that’s relevant to this thread … you can investigate the links i posted, or ignore them. The answers to your questions are in Dimitri’s documentary interview. My opinion is irrelevant.

  • Anonymous

    2 articles with links to evidence that supports Dimitri Khalezov’s testimony:

    Support Evidence for Dimitri Khalezov’s 9/11 Testimony
    http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/support-ing-evidence-for-dimitri.html

    9/11 Rescue Workers Suffer from Radiation Exposure
    http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/911-rescue-workers-suffer-from-exposure.html

  • Anonymous

    2 articles with links to evidence that supports Dimitri Khalezov’s testimony:

    Support Evidence for Dimitri Khalezov’s 9/11 Testimony
    http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/support-ing-evidence-for-dimitri.html

    9/11 Rescue Workers Suffer from Radiation Exposure
    http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/911-rescue-workers-suffer-from-exposure.html

  • Anonymous

    2 articles with links to evidence that supports Dimitri Khalezov’s testimony:

    Support Evidence for Dimitri Khalezov’s 9/11 Testimony
    http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/support-ing-evidence-for-dimitri.html

    9/11 Rescue Workers Suffer from Radiation Exposure
    http://ac31.blogspot.com/2011/09/911-rescue-workers-suffer-from-exposure.html

  • Clever Screenname

    So again you yourself don’t understand the material you are selling to everyone as having the ultimate truths about 9/11 within.  Do you not see how this makes it unlikely anyone will believe you?  You are incapable of explaining your perspective and just point to random videos.  You can’t even take one argument of Dimitry’s and explain it apparently.  Or can you, do it already then.  In the meantime don’t you dare try to disparage the work of real researchers.  People died and are still dying so if your not here to debate stop trying to diminish the work of people who understand why we must debate.  

    Here again is my question to you from above.  If you are incapable of meeting this basic challenge you have nothing to offer of relevance to the discussion about 9/11.  Pointing to a youtube video and saying there it’s in there somewhere does not suffice.  Especially when you don’t even know what theories you are supporting.Ok I will bite.  How do you explain Building 7 collapsing through the path of greatest resistance at speeds indistinguishable from free fall for the initial 2.25 seconds or 100 feet of the building?  Keep in mind this would require the severing of the 58 peremiter columns and 25 outer columns to be destroyed simultaneously thus allowing for a global collapse as seen in the videos.  It also has all of the characteristics one would expect from a controlled demolition.Building 7 was 5 times as tall as deep.To bring this building down into its footprint required that all 58 perimeter columns and 25 core columns be destroyed simultaneously.Any asymmetry in damage would cause asymmetric collapse: the building would topple.No combination of rubble impact damage, fires, or fuel tank explosions could have destroyed all columns simultaneously, as required to cause a vertical collapse.Only controlled demolitions have achieved vertical collapses of upright steel structures.From Ae911Truth.org (Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth)WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:1. Rapid onset of collapse2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building’s destruction3. Symmetrical “structural failure” – through the path of greatest resistance –at free-fall acceleration4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint5. Massive volume of expandingpyroclastic-like clouds6. Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional7. Foreknowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNYIn the the aftermath of WTC7’s destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation andintergranular melting on structural steel samples9. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses10. Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samplesSo why then should we stretch our imagination to include Nuclear devices when there is NO evidence to support that they were employed?  http://911research.wtc7.net/ta… you even know what “Dimitri” presents to counter this evidence?  You are championing his research, I wonder what of the 4 hours you find so compelling?  If you can’t summarize it and provide sourced material outside of a 4 hour video I can’t really take your efforts at “9/11 research” seriously.

  • Clever Screenname

    I’m rubber you’re glue Anthony.  How about you explain Building 7’s immaculate destruction?
    rememberbuilding7.org
    ae911truth.org

  • suz333

    theres a fringe theory that the sun rises in the NORTH!
    http://www.show-the-house.com/id107.html

    its also known as the official version of events.

    for all you rusted on myth huggers, disinfo agents and gormless shills ( yes you Albury Smith ) take note..

    … from here http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/911-facts/48/20647-why-you-can-not-believe-the-q911-conspiracy-theory-de-bunkersq.html

    The bottom line is that myth huggers are chickens. They cling to a few points, some of which are fairly understandable and potentially correct. But they don’t have proof to back up their claims in most cases, and in all cases these myth huggers can not in any way shape or form address the rest of the thousands and thousands of disturbing questions that still stand unanswered by the establishment after all of these years. So even if they actually answer a few questions and explain some things away, there are still so many questions and disturbing facts that their contribution to the discussion is worthless and changes nothing. They may take a few drops out of the bucket, but that bucket still holds quite a lot of water, to say the least.

    What the 9/11 truth community wants is direct answers to their questions. Myth huggers are not qualified to answer these questions but they are more than qualified to confuse people into thinking that the questions have been answered. They have not.

    Note to the myth huggers:

    I have no polite way to say this but after 10 years without real answers it has to be said I say this to the myth huggers shut the hell up already. Nobody as asking you a damn thing. The answers should be coming from the people who originally provided the myth and to the people towards whom the evidence points and sorry but those people for the most part are Americans and they were running our country on September 11th 2001. If they gave us answers that made sense or matched the evidence, nobody would be asking for your two cents and in reality, nobody is. SO STOP ANSWERING, WE DON’T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK!

  • Anonymous

    theres a fringe theory that the sun rises in the NORTH!
    http://www.show-the-house.com/id107.html

    its also known as the official version of events.

    for all you rusted on myth huggers, disinfo agents and gormless shills ( yes you Albury Smith ) take note..

    … from here http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/911-facts/48/20647-why-you-can-not-believe-the-q911-conspiracy-theory-de-bunkersq.html

    The bottom line is that myth huggers are chickens. They cling to a few points, some of which are fairly understandable and potentially correct. But they don’t have proof to back up their claims in most cases, and in all cases these myth huggers can not in any way shape or form address the rest of the thousands and thousands of disturbing questions that still stand unanswered by the establishment after all of these years. So even if they actually answer a few questions and explain some things away, there are still so many questions and disturbing facts that their contribution to the discussion is worthless and changes nothing. They may take a few drops out of the bucket, but that bucket still holds quite a lot of water, to say the least.

    What the 9/11 truth community wants is direct answers to their questions. Myth huggers are not qualified to answer these questions but they are more than qualified to confuse people into thinking that the questions have been answered. They have not.

    Note to the myth huggers:

    I have no polite way to say this but after 10 years without real answers it has to be said I say this to the myth huggers shut the hell up already. Nobody as asking you a damn thing. The answers should be coming from the people who originally provided the myth and to the people towards whom the evidence points and sorry but those people for the most part are Americans and they were running our country on September 11th 2001. If they gave us answers that made sense or matched the evidence, nobody would be asking for your two cents and in reality, nobody is. SO STOP ANSWERING, WE DON’T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK!

  • Scotty

    building 7 fell at freefall acceleration for over two seconds, impossible under a fire caused scenario.

    WTC 1 & 2 fell at near free fall speed, with no measurable impact of top floors hitting those below.

    stop being an idiot. the whole world knows its impossible to have happenned the way the government says.

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/09/09/9-11-unanswered-questions-i.html

  • Scotty

    building 7 fell at freefall acceleration for over two seconds, impossible under a fire caused scenario.

    WTC 1 & 2 fell at near free fall speed, with no measurable impact of top floors hitting those below.

    stop being an idiot. the whole world knows its impossible to have happenned the way the government says.

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/09/09/9-11-unanswered-questions-i.html

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