A View of Some Occupy DC Protesters (Video)

Paul Joseph Watson writes on InfoWars:

Despite their honest intentions, many of the Occupy Wall Street protesters are being suckered into a trap and calling for the very “solutions” that are part of the financial elite’s agenda to torpedo the American middle class — higher taxes and more big government.

Watch the clip below in which journalist Adam Kokesh talks to Occupy Wall Street protesters.

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69 Responses to A View of Some Occupy DC Protesters (Video)

  1. Lee Swain October 5, 2011 at 2:24 pm #

    Adam makes several claims in this that he does not back up with any facts. Simply saying the government controls education more than ever is not a counter argument. Just saying.

    Also saying we assassinated Anwar Al-Awlak an american for speech crimes is a little idiotic. He was a lead member of a terrorist organisation. By his logic a US citizen that defected to the Nazi’s but only gave orders and did none of the killing would be protected by freedom of speech!

    I could pick apart a lot more of his faulty anti-government logic, but I don’t have the time.

    I sympathise with his viewpoint but I feel his judgment has been skewed by an ideology, one that seems to favour corporations over government. Both should be feared but only one can be controlled and used to control the other.

    • MoralDrift October 5, 2011 at 3:21 pm #

      I agree mostly, but with Al-Awlaki we have no idea what he was really doing over there. So many people believe that Al-Q is like some kind of Cobra type thing from GI JOE and that they have real organization, from what I have read and understand Al-Qaeda is at best a loose network of funding for radicals, key word LOOSE. At worst, it is entirely fictitious and only consists of useful idiots labeling themselves Al-Qaeda coupled with press releases and videos that are most likely forgeries of the CIA, as they have admitted to the creation of forgeries concerning bin laden in the past.

      All that being said, If Al-Awlaki was simply a useful idiot preaching radical Islam under the label Al-Qaeda then it is not at all similar to having joined the Wehrmacht and issuing orders it is more akin to being a nutjob preacher exhorting his followers to violence which is not something you can be put to death for by drone without trial, if you are an American citizen.

    • juan revolo October 19, 2011 at 12:15 am #

      Last I heard, Al-Awlaki did not give orders to kill anyone. So it’s not the same. Looks like speach crimes to me.

  2. Lee Swain October 5, 2011 at 6:24 pm #

    Adam makes several claims in this that he does not back up with any facts. Simply saying the government controls education more than ever is not a counter argument. Just saying.

    Also saying we assassinated Anwar Al-Awlak an american for speech crimes is a little idiotic. He was a lead member of a terrorist organisation. By his logic a US citizen that defected to the Nazi’s but only gave orders and did none of the killing would be protected by freedom of speech!

    I could pick apart a lot more of his faulty anti-government logic, but I don’t have the time.

    I sympathise with his viewpoint but I feel his judgment has been skewed by an ideology, one that seems to favour corporations over government. Both should be feared but only one can be controlled and used to control the other.

  3. Docile October 5, 2011 at 2:34 pm #

    What this Adam guy fails to see is that government is one tool among many for change. Why even bother focusing on a system that’s so broken it only benefits 1%? Who said these protests were about government or Obama? Why not get involved with activism, discussion, compassion, information gathering, charity, university, meditation, writing, blogging, protest, hacktivism, space-hacking, life-hacking, culture-jamming, art, hunger strikes, etc.? Why not participate in a structural and philosophical shift? Surely we are capable of better ideas than voting in the new guy, which seems to be what AK is proposing. Ron Paul is supposed to be everyman’s man, but I feel like he’s just being positioned as a rebel by the media; he’s being intentionally ostracized so that he can emerge as a Kevin-Costner-like reluctant hero. I cry foul. He’ll be doing the same corrupt shit as BO in no time flat. If he’s such a libertarian god, why doesn’t he support a woman’s right to chose what to do with her
    body?

    • Lee Swain October 5, 2011 at 2:54 pm #

      To be fair to Ron, and I’m not his biggest supporter or anything. He does say he’s against any federal banning of abortion. He just has no problem with state’s banning it.

      I love how the far right at Infowars are trying to hijack anti-corporate protests and somehow make them anti-government minus the anti-corporate stuff. I do sympathise with them in many aspects but they are so anti-government that they are almost always willing to defend the private sector, not seeing that is is the private sector that corrupts government not the concept itself.

    • MoralDrift October 5, 2011 at 3:13 pm #

      I dont think there is any chance of paul winning

  4. Docile October 5, 2011 at 6:34 pm #

    What this Adam guy fails to see is that government is one tool among many for change. Why even bother focusing on a system that’s so broken it only benefits 1%? Who said these protests were about government or Obama? Why not get involved with activism, discussion, compassion, information gathering, charity, university, meditation, writing, blogging, protest, hacktivism, space-hacking, life-hacking, culture-jamming, art, hunger strikes, etc.? Why not participate in a structural and philosophical shift? Surely we are capable of better ideas than voting in the new guy, which seems to be what AK is proposing. Ron Paul is supposed to be everyman’s man, but I feel like he’s just being positioned as a rebel by the media; he’s being intentionally ostracized so that he can emerge as a Kevin-Costner-like reluctant hero. I cry foul. He’ll be doing the same corrupt shit as BO in no time flat. If he’s such a libertarian god, why doesn’t he support a woman’s right to chose what to do with her
    body?

  5. Lee Swain October 5, 2011 at 6:51 pm #

    Oh wait this came from Infowars and this “journalist” works for them. Ok makes sense now, lol. Nut jobs. 

  6. Lee Swain October 5, 2011 at 2:51 pm #

    Oh wait this came from Infowars and this “journalist” works for them. Ok makes sense now, lol. Nut jobs. 

  7. Lee Swain October 5, 2011 at 6:54 pm #

    To be fair to Ron, and I’m not his biggest supporter or anything. He does say he’s against any federal banning of abortion. He just has no problem with state’s banning it.

    I love how the far right at Infowars are trying to hijack anti-corporate protests and somehow make them anti-government minus the anti-corporate stuff. I do sympathise with them in many aspects but they are so anti-government that they are almost always willing to defend the private sector, not seeing that is is the private sector that corrupts government not the concept itself.

  8. Kushkash77 October 5, 2011 at 7:03 pm #

    This adam guy is a fuckin douche. Why don’t you just report on what these people have to say instead of trying to force all your ideas and left field statistics on them.

  9. Kushkash77 October 5, 2011 at 3:03 pm #

    This adam guy is a fuckin douche. Why don’t you just report on what these people have to say instead of trying to force all your ideas and left field statistics on them.

    • Chaorder Gradient October 5, 2011 at 3:27 pm #

      because the only way to reform is to reform under the flag of bat-shit anti-government alex jones’esque style thought processing. 

      • VoxMagi October 5, 2011 at 3:44 pm #

        Dude…it isn’t even worth the effort…Jones and Co have been at the heart of pro-business/anti-regulation hijinks since their inception…the hunkering in the bunker and playing make believe pillow fort “the enemy will kill us all at any minute for saying this” is cute…but its been over a decade and he’s not dead yet…he’s not even fired or penalized. Why? Because no one powerful is against him…shit…they consider him the best pal an anti-regulatory billionaire could ever have…because Jones can make mildly retarded paranoiacs scraping by on 6.50 an hr believe that leftists are coming to ruin his life with higher wages and free healthcare.

  10. Anonymous October 5, 2011 at 7:13 pm #

    I dont think there is any chance of paul winning

  11. Anonymous October 5, 2011 at 7:21 pm #

    I agree mostly, but with Al-Awlaki we have no idea what he was really doing over there. So many people believe that Al-Q is like some kind of Cobra type thing from GI JOE and that they have real organization, from what I have read and understand Al-Qaeda is at best a loose network of funding for radicals, key word LOOSE. At worst, it is entirely fictitious and only consists of useful idiots labeling themselves Al-Qaeda coupled with press releases and videos that are most likely forgeries of the CIA, as they have admitted to the creation of forgeries concerning bin laden in the past.

    All that being said, If Al-Awlaki was simply a useful idiot preaching radical Islam under the label Al-Qaeda then it is not at all similar to having joined the Wehrmacht and issuing orders it is more akin to being a nutjob preacher exhorting his followers to violence which is not something you can be put to death for by drone without trial, if you are an American citizen.

  12. Chaorder Gradient October 5, 2011 at 7:21 pm #

    Adam was a jackass, but honestly, it was very interesting to watch. It was a nice cultural cross section of the kinds of minds that are going on in this mess. You have the uneducated activist, that wants “change” not knowing what it really meant, you have the anti-government nutjob, and the guy who seemed very down to earth, understanding the stakes, and having a grasp of the issues. The 3rd guy, while maybe not entirely right, definitely held his own the best.

  13. Chaorder Gradient October 5, 2011 at 3:21 pm #

    Adam was a jackass, but honestly, it was very interesting to watch. It was a nice cultural cross section of the kinds of minds that are going on in this mess. You have the uneducated activist, that wants “change” not knowing what it really meant, you have the anti-government nutjob, and the guy who seemed very down to earth, understanding the stakes, and having a grasp of the issues. The 3rd guy, while maybe not entirely right, definitely held his own the best.

  14. Chaorder Gradient October 5, 2011 at 7:23 pm #

    God that harvard junior segregating the world into the “1percenters, and the 99percenters” really made me uneasy.

  15. Chaorder Gradient October 5, 2011 at 3:23 pm #

    God that harvard junior segregating the world into the “1percenters, and the 99percenters” really made me uneasy.
    People really don’t grasp the complexity of the problems here.

  16. Chaorder Gradient October 5, 2011 at 7:27 pm #

    because the only way to reform is to reform under the flag of bat-shit anti-government alex jones’esque style thought processing. 

  17. Elmyr23 October 5, 2011 at 7:35 pm #

    alex jones is the illuminati. Keeping people confused and off the trail for decades. I hate being grouped up with alex jones followers, becuase i see problems in the government/society. I talked to people about corparate loopholes and the next thing i know my facebook page is being lite up with chips in peoples hands and lizard elites. Can i just say fuck off, your the whole reason i’m a “conspiracy nut.”

  18. Elmyr23 October 5, 2011 at 3:35 pm #

    alex jones is the illuminati. Keeping people confused and off the trail for decades. I hate being grouped up with alex jones followers, becuase i see problems in the government/society. I talked to people about corparate loopholes and the next thing i know my facebook page is being lite up with chips in peoples hands and lizard elites. Can i just say fuck off, your the whole reason i’m a “conspiracy nut.”

    • Sacred Geometry International October 6, 2011 at 6:57 am #

      Alex never says anything about anyone being a lizard.  That’s David Icke your thinking of.
      Should I dismiss all of disinfo because of the variety of authors and topics discussed here?

      • Elmyr23 October 7, 2011 at 3:57 am #

        so this guy gets to stand in the crowd at bohemian grove and no way he is one of them. Says is father was a member of the john birch society so he has a soft spot for thier ideals. He thinks the world is cooling and the informations is being hiddden from us, so a gobal carbon tax regime can control us. saw a source  saying he said “Vicente Fox can morph into a green devil.” But idk i can’t find a single place on the internet that he buts his basic beliefs on paper, probably cuase he doesn’t remember all the BS he says. What i can find plenty of though is places to buy one of his many movies to add to his 5million $ networth.

        George Noory is going to be on his show this week, again. Coast to coast is not my first source for information that makes a damn to everyday americans lives. I’d rather look into privacy laws and reasons why real people are getting the shit kicked out of them and killed by police. I don’t want to waste my personal time wondering if a alien base is on the moon or mars. He is a distraction from topics that could have a real effect in our lives. Kinda like saying not to worry about things you can’t control. Sure i can’t fix government but if we start to fix things, the first thing on my check list is not taking down darpa and their weather machines.

  19. VoxMagi October 5, 2011 at 7:40 pm #

    Once again…InfoWars to the rescue of neo-cons…throwing that familiar old smoke up while the fatcats retreat. “Higher taxes and bi govt are a secret agenda that is being crept in behind your backs!!!”

    Fuck you dick for brains…we know what we’re asking for…and thats exactly it…higher taxes on the rich assessed by govt…is our demand. Suck that republicock somewhere else, Alex and Co.!!!

  20. VoxMagi October 5, 2011 at 3:40 pm #

    Once again…InfoWars to the rescue of neo-cons…throwing that familiar old smoke up while the fatcats retreat. “Higher taxes and big govt are a secret agenda that is being crept in behind your backs!!!”

    Fuck you dick for brains…we know what we’re asking for…and thats exactly it…higher taxes on the rich assessed by govt…is our demand. Suck that republicock somewhere else, Alex and Co.!!!

    • Sacred Geometry International October 6, 2011 at 6:55 am #

      Where do you get that infowars supports neocons?  I’m sorry that doesn’t make any sense to me.  Can you provide any evidence at all to substantiate this?  Do you mean Libertarians? Are Libertarians and NeoCons equated in your book?  How do you identify politically?  And what does infowars have to do with this other than running the video, asking questions and getting picked up by Drudge and Huffington post?

      If you are angry, take it out on Drudge as he ran it as the headline and it was linked to infowars.  Do you discount every piece of information from infowars because you dislike Alex Jones?  I don’t like Fox networks but I do enjoy hearing Judge Napolitano educate Americans about their Constitutional rights.  Fox and Infowars are definitely not commensurate in anyway I’m just trying to make a point.I don’t know that the OSW movement actually knows what they are asking for honestly.  Just take a look at their web-site and let me know if you find any declarative points of action.http://nycga.cc/Keep in mind this is there official site, not the one that is ranked highest when you search for “occupy wall street”  which comes out to be occupywallstreet.org which is brought to you by Adbusters.  

      Who funds Adbusters?

      Also remember we had a supposed people’s revolution in Egypt and now they are a military dictatorship which has outlawed protest.  Again not exactly what I expect to happen here, rather we should be careful not to believe that by shouting we are the 99% while not understanding the need to disband the FED, the need to reinvestigate 9/11, the need to get rid of corporate personhood, and of course to actually end the Wars ASAP, that anything of substance will be done.The whole world may be watching, but what is really being said?  With the inclusion of Unions who are overwhelmingly democratic, perhaps we are seeing a psy op to get Obama back into contention as he is losing in polls to Ron Paul in California now a year out.But I don’t know, just food for thought.  I hope the OSW movement actually amounts to dealing with the fact that we have all been sold out for sure, I would hate to see a massive bait and switch take place where we have a slap on the wrist for wall street while the FED goes untouched.Thank you for commenting.

      • Jin The Ninja October 6, 2011 at 1:05 pm #

        Alex Jones is a self-identified ‘paleo-conservative.’

      • VoxMagi October 6, 2011 at 3:08 pm #

        Which of the tenthousand flustered denial based questions would you like me to tackle first? Sorry to bust up your personal hero…but he’s paid scum…he IS the disinfo op…and his fandom is the biggest pack of suckers ever seen. I discount almost all that comes from Infowars, and Jones, and his staff and fans…because they lie…A LOT…some because they are true believers and are full of fear…others because they are well paid to herd people in an ideological direction…and fear does the work for them. I feel the same way about Al “Pay To Pollute” Gore…who sells end of the world schemes to get a deal for his billionaire pals that will make them a mint…AND let them keep the status quo in exchange for cash. Names and labels mean nothing…the physical effect of implementing ideologies means everything…and by that reckoning Fox looks liberal by comparison.
         
        I couldn’t care less about Drudge or the headline…I’m talking about the filler inbetween…with a Jones staffer out there pretending to ‘report’ but actually dropping discouraging vague hints of the peril of serving some secret evil agenda…and whats wrong with that? Here’s what…the end goal is “Why not give up and go home? The real path to salvation is a basement full of canned goods, gold and guns and a channel wired in to the Alex Jones show…protesting will only get you used by ‘the enemy’.” Yeah…thats basically a disinfo op within a disinfo op…not exactly classy….or even subtle. The protests have two simple points that anyone can find if they listen for three seconds to anyone other than a MSM or disinfo stooge…the rich are getting a free ride…tax them as we did when this nation was prosperous…and bring back regulations that prevented these meltdowns. There are many other points that people may bring to it…but those two ring universal throughout…the only way to avoid them or miss them is to actively strive to not hear them.

        And no matter what Jones proclaims himself to be politically… the effective value of his stances is a neo-con, pro-business, anti-regulatory wet dream come to life in full technicolor. He can name himself Neutral McCenter if he likes…his actions bear out the precise opposite…a rabid partisanship that bends and twists to serve specific interests…almost all of them with financial ramifications for business in an environment of potential zero regulation and minimal oversight.

        I’ll take an Adbusters anyday..over a repulsive fraud profiting off the sale of wild fear and paranoia. I predate the Alex Jones era…and no small number of the wild hairs he gets up his butt were bandied around the air waves and small presses and chatboards long before we could have the dispute on Disinfo.  The bad news is that after swimming in claims like his since the 80s…the sources and their goals always look the same…ultra-cons with a willingness to say anything to frighten people into following them blindly. “We’ll all be killed!” is classic favorite…even if they have to borrow satellite footage of North Korean prisons or abandoned Air Force Bases in Idaho (taken with a B/W camera and only showing old buildings through the fence for extra scariness!) to do it. Deception is their game…and they sell the same note over and over again…the government should be made powerless…or it will kill you! You know what government keeps in check when used right? The very wealthy…who historically are a lot more inclined to mass killing and slavery on a timeline that goes back a lot longer than ‘the perils of socialism’. A government is useless  if and only if you are too terrified and hopeless to be involved in making it work for people instead of money…so small wonder the money spends a lot of itself to sell hopelessness and terror.

        As for Egypt…a vacuum formed and power players placated the masses with a few promises and went back to business as usual…you could compare that to the election of Obama handily…with millions of Americans suddenly donating and voting for unspecified change and getting nothing but a new face for their efforts…but its a poor comparison here…where we have Americans peaceably assembling and destroying nothing…with a couple of very clear simple requests of their elected officials.

        And for the unions…its great that they are jumping on the bandwagon…but I think we both know they are joining to grab camera time and PR…because after years of backpedaling and surrendering their popularity has waned to insignificance and this is a chance to make an impression. I don’t give them much credit…because they are late to the game and only show after they’re relatively sure they won’t be maced or beaten. The real credit goes to the ones who spent the first weeks in physical danger from thuggish cops. Most of the folks occupying Wall St aren’t in unions and haven’t much hope of being in one…but they know that more bodies makes more of an impression…so it is what it is. In case you’re worried that Obama will look good somehow…don’t be…I think everyone is aware that Obama has coddled Wall St so lovingly that the protests came into being because it was the ONLY way to force a standoff on the issues of regulation and taxation. The Fed is bad…yes…we all agree…but there are plenty of bad people outside of the Fed…this is about them…stop trying to steer the truck away from the garage and into the curb. I’d love to get the Fed hammered into pulp too…but I’m also happy to slam the need for sane regulations on financiers and a tax code that doesn’t bankrupt the working folks. A man needs air and water to live…he doesn’t quibble that the water has to come first before he allow himself some air. Worry about the Fed later…give these people support instead of trying to hamstring them.

        Finally, about me…in the past three decades I have worn a lot of different hats…I started off an idealistic youth, fervently liberal and diametrically opposed to the Reagan and Bush administrations…believed I was ‘delivered’ by the Clinton Gore election…then realized it was a scene from “Deliverance”…became a moderate centrist with smatterings of libertarianism, until from the inside it began to look like yet another road to the same goals for the very rich…but with less radical language. Whats left after three decades of political betrayal by both parties? A dude who trusts no ones words, trusts no parties, trusts no pundits…but measures only the effects of the actions they recommend. Look where the money goes…look for who profits most…only there can truth be found. Whether its a Patriot Act or a Nafta or a No Child Left Behind…look first for where the money will go and depart. Sometimes generating an absence of money is a form of passive attack…and some bills or laws or causes are solely dedicated to this.

        Through it all, I remember what I learned in college…I studied advertising and psychology of advertising, broadcast communications and forensic debate…and I learned almost every technique I now watch used on people today. I dropped out in horror and disgust, swearing to never work in any sales or ad related biz…ever, and to rally people against them whenever and wherever I can. My distrust isn’t born of ignorance or misinformation…its born of too much information, all of it very specific and relevant to media and the manufacturing of opinion. It takes a ’cause’ to make a person stand against their own interests…a belief or an ism to motivate them to stand against themselves. Infowars does exactly this, gathering the sheep to cheer for their own slaughter and claim that a green and free pasture is the deathcamp they should fear…and that the men with the knives in the barn nextdoor are their friends offering shelter from the worlds dangers. 

        You go on ahead and line up for the knives if you like…I’ll be rallying to burn the fucking barn down.

        • Factsrfun1 October 6, 2011 at 10:40 pm #

          I love your brilliance and proficiency in language.  You’re a prefect human being, as far as I’m concerned.  I’m dealing with a profound issue in my own personal life that I can’t seem to undertake effectively because I don’t have the ability to communicate my thoughts effectively.  I too, want to burn down the fucking barn but I only have one match, it’s wet, and when it dries, the sulphuric compound on the tip will just streak across the striker and become useless.  You have great skill in communicating and incredible insight.  How would you tell a spoiled, introverted, cultured, liberal, college educated young man not to join the army?  I’m racking my brain trying to come up with a strategy to get across to him my disdain for his choice and how we would be on opposite sides of the revolution?

          • VoxMagi October 6, 2011 at 11:28 pm #

            I’m anything but perfect…but I like to think I learn from my mistakes…and I’ve made so many that by default I create the illusion of wisdom ;-) What I do have going for me is solid knack of allegory and a long memory for history. Don’t be down on yourself…you just used an allegory perfectly (with the match reference.)

            As for the military…I wouldn’t advocate against it if a friend is truly determined. I said goodbye to an old friend years ago when he joined the Marines…and while I have differences with the way the military is used…I respect the idea of service to something other than self interest. That guy is still my pal 25 years later…and still far to the left of what one would imagine for a Marine.

            I would offer them a handshake, tell them I’m very proud that they’ve chosen to make a very serious commitment, and offer this advice: “Be true to yourself…you will be taught many things that were handed down for a long time by people with opinions that are a hundred years out of date…but are considered ‘traditional’. Pretend you accept these traditions to get along…but understand that a lot of it is total BS. Remember your principles as a person first…and hold them to yourself no matter what comes your way. If you should stand to receive orders that are immoral, unethical and downright evil…be prepared for great personal risk if you exercise your legal (even according to the Uniform Code Of Military Justice, which spells out when a soldier is entitled to refuse an order) right to refuse an unlawful command (like firing on American citizens who are lawfully protesting).” A few soldiers and officers have done so successfully…like the officer who refused to run a psy-op on a visiting cluster of congresspeople a couple of years ago. To follow the orders would have been a violation of the UCMJ…and he refused to follow those orders and issued a formal complaint against the senior officer who issued those orders. Ethical people do exist in the service…and they need all the support and company they can get.

            If your friend is a good person with a sharp mind…he’ll be okay…and one thing the military does need is smart people who are not complete drones. The only way we can hope to build an ethical and responsible military is to stack it with a new generation of people who aren’t afraid of change. I wish him, and you, the best! Mahalo!

          • Factsrfun1 October 6, 2011 at 11:57 pm #

            The young man who joined the army is my son.  Thanks for your wise words and quick response. 

          • VoxMagi October 7, 2011 at 12:51 am #

            You’re welcome! You can upgrade the handshake to a hug for a son. I’ve got more than a few family and pals in service…and if they have a strong mind they come away only changed for the better. One pal joined the Marines and was a grunt back in the days of Grenada…another joined the Navy and retired after 20 years as an aircraft mechanic on carriers, my younger brother did 13 years in the Air Guard as base security and crisscrossed the globe (Italy, Germany, Latin America, South Korea, Japan, and finally Iraq…which made him happy to retire and switch to Navy reserves.) My uncle was a Navy computer man back in the 60s, and my dad was a C-130 pilot in Vietnam…his only medals were for relief and aid missions, including the rescue/removal of hundreds of villagers from areas in conflict to relief camps in India. It is possible for good people to do amazing things and see the world without finding themselves in serious moral quandaries.

            But the best example would be my brother…who joined at 20 and was an overeducated, unemployed guitarist with a chip on his shoulder. Almost twenty years later, he is still fiercely liberal on social issues, well read, extremely self disciplined and superbly competent as a father of two (but he does have a little trouble when there are fireworks at night during the fourth of July…too many memories of getting mortar attacked at night in Iraq.) And he’s still a great guitar picker :-) Next to him I’m the black sheep hippie that left college and ran off to become a punk rocker, poet and junkie…then cleaned up his act because he wanted to live and make the world a better place. (Not that I’d change a thing…all those screw ups taught me plenty.)

            My best wishes to your son…and if he picks a field of training that isn’t “Infantry/Rifleman”…he stands every chance of having training and a solid career that will involve some hard work and serious discipline, but won’t put him in extreme danger. If he can remember that service to a country is meaningless unless you serve its people (not its elites)…he will never lose his moral compass…and hopefully will gain experiences that many of us only wish we’d had. Peace!  

        • Elmyr23 October 7, 2011 at 4:05 am #

          loved it

        • Jin The Ninja October 9, 2011 at 5:11 pm #

          a bit belated. but great post!

        • juan revolo October 18, 2011 at 11:56 pm #

          I agree with most of this. Well said.

  21. VoxMagi October 5, 2011 at 7:44 pm #

    Dude…it isn’t even worth the effort…Jones and Co have been at the heart of pro-business/anti-regulation hijinks since their inception…the hunkering in the bunker and playing make believe pillow fort “the enemy will kill us all at any minute for saying this” is cute…but its been over a decade and he’s not dead yet…he’s not even fired or penalized. Why? Because no one powerful is against him…shit…they consider him the best pal an anti-regulatory billionaire could ever have…because Jones can make mildly retarded paranoiacs scraping by on 6.50 an hr believe that leftists are coming to ruin his life with higher wages and free healthcare.

  22. Sangproductions183 October 5, 2011 at 7:58 pm #

    I get Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh so confused… They must have been separated at birth.

  23. Sangproductions183 October 5, 2011 at 3:58 pm #

    I get Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh so confused… They must have been separated at birth.

    • Sinnamnstic October 5, 2011 at 11:44 pm #

      If you listen to each one of them back to back, I’m sure you’d get the voices confused…SMFH@ Alex Jones  I stopped listening to him when I FIRST heard him…fear-mongering nut job…

  24. Chaorder Gradient October 5, 2011 at 8:09 pm #

    Wait… 

    If the Democrats    are all Pro-government and
    If the Republicans  are all Pro-corporation and
    Fascism is the alliance between government and corporations and
    Its getting harder and harder to tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans

    Then…

    uh oh….

  25. Chaorder Gradient October 5, 2011 at 4:09 pm #

    Wait… 

    If the Democrats    are all Pro-government and
    If the Republicans  are all Pro-corporation and
    Fascism is the alliance between government and corporations and
    Its getting harder and harder to tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans

    Then…

    uh oh….

    • MoralDrift October 6, 2011 at 5:47 pm #

      Nice!

  26. Anonymous October 5, 2011 at 9:15 pm #

    Emperor Jones, with his incessant fear mongering, makes a sane mind wonder how does he not suffer from cardiac arrest or acid reflux disease–both stress-inducing conditions.

    He’s a Christian “Constitutionalist” beguiling docile minds into believing the boogie man is about to strike any given moment.  Sounds like a ratings grab to me.  If he was all about the truth, why hasn’t he brought up free energy, Dr. Judy Wood, or for the sole fact that his network is part of the corporate mass media tentacle?

  27. StillAtMyMoms October 5, 2011 at 5:15 pm #

    Emperor Jones, with his incessant fear mongering, makes a sane mind wonder how does he not suffer from cardiac arrest or acid reflux disease–both stress-inducing conditions.

    He’s a Christian “Constitutionalist” beguiling docile minds into believing the boogie man is about to strike any given moment.  Sounds like a ratings grab to me.  If he was all about the truth, why hasn’t he brought up free energy, Dr. Judy Wood, or for the sole fact that his network is part of the corporate mass media tentacle?

  28. arfer October 6, 2011 at 12:01 am #

    Lord Fauntleroy was probably chased out of Pittsburgh by a torch weilding mob.

  29. arfer October 5, 2011 at 8:01 pm #

    Lord Fauntleroy was probably chased out of Pittsburgh by a torch weilding mob.

  30. Sinnamnstic October 6, 2011 at 3:44 am #

    If you listen to each one of them back to back, I’m sure you’d get the voices confused…SMFH@ Alex Jones  I stopped listening to him when I FIRST heard him…fear-mongering nut job…

  31. Anonymous October 6, 2011 at 6:48 am #

    Obama? Who the fuck supports Scumbag Obama?

  32. Redacted October 6, 2011 at 2:48 am #

    Obama? Who the fuck supports Scumbag Obama?

  33. Anonymous October 6, 2011 at 7:27 am #

    Do you ever get the feeling that you’ve met the monkey that produced, by chance, one of the works of Shakespeare?

    I’m totally down for the accusations, Bush/Obama are basically the same, Obama has committed at least two extra-judicial murders, publicly, … the list goes on, but damn, this monkey didn’t get much beyond the one work he accidentally stumbled upon. Exxon, in a free market, would be decent? Really? I’m sure rapists without police would be decent – (did I just write that? I hope that doesn’t come off as support for police).

    Strange little monkeys slapping at keyboards (or holding microphones)

  34. sonicbphuct October 6, 2011 at 3:27 am #

    Do you ever get the feeling that you’ve met the monkey that produced, by chance, one of the works of Shakespeare?

    I’m totally down for the accusations, Bush/Obama are basically the same, Obama has committed at least two extra-judicial murders, publicly, … the list goes on, but damn, this monkey didn’t get much beyond the one work he accidentally stumbled upon. Exxon, in a free market, would be decent? Really? I’m sure rapists without police would be decent – (did I just write that? I hope that doesn’t come off as support for police).

    Strange little monkeys slapping at keyboards (or holding microphones)

  35. Camron Wiltshire October 6, 2011 at 10:55 am #

    Where do you get that infowars supports neocons?  I’m sorry that doesn’t make any sense to me.  Can you provide any evidence at all to substantiate this?  Do you mean Libertarians? Are Libertarians and NeoCons equated in your book?  How do you identify politically?  And what does infowars have to do with this other than running the video, asking questions and getting picked up by Drudge and Huffington post?

    If you are angry, take it out on Drudge as he ran it as the headline and it was linked to infowars.  Do you discount every piece of information from infowars because you dislike Alex Jones?  I don’t like Fox networks but I do enjoy hearing Judge Napolitano educate Americans about their Constitutional rights.  Fox and Infowars are definitely not commensurate in anyway I’m just trying to make a point.I don’t know that the OSW movement actually knows what they are asking for honestly.  Just take a look at their web-site and let me know if you find any declarative points of action.http://nycga.cc/Keep in mind this is there official site, not the one that is ranked highest when you search for “occupy wall street”  which comes out to be occupywallstreet.org which is brought to you by Adbusters.  

    Who funds Adbusters?

    Also remember we had a supposed people’s revolution in Egypt and now they are a military dictatorship which has outlawed protest.  Again not exactly what I expect to happen here, rather we should be careful not to believe that by shouting we are the 99% while not understanding the need to disband the FED, the need to reinvestigate 9/11, the need to get rid of corporate personhood, and of course to actually end the Wars ASAP, that anything of substance will be done.The whole world may be watching, but what is really being said?  With the inclusion of Unions who are overwhelmingly democratic, perhaps we are seeing a psy op to get Obama back into contention as he is losing in polls to Ron Paul in California now a year out.But I don’t know, just food for thought.  I hope the OSW movement actually amounts to dealing with the fact that we have all been sold out for sure, I would hate to see a massive bait and switch take place where we have a slap on the wrist for wall street while the FED goes untouched.Thank you for commenting.

  36. Camron Wiltshire October 6, 2011 at 10:57 am #

    Alex never says anything about anyone being a lizard.  That’s David Icke your thinking of.
    Should I dismiss all of disinfo because of the variety of authors and topics discussed here?

  37. Anonymous October 6, 2011 at 5:05 pm #

    Alex Jones is a self-identified ‘paleo-conservative.’

  38. VoxMagi October 6, 2011 at 7:08 pm #

    Which of the tenthousand flustered denial based questions would you like me to tackle first? Sorry to bust up your personal hero…but he’s paid scum…he IS the disinfo op…and his fandom is the biggest pack of suckers ever seen. I discount almost all that comes from Infowars, and Jones, and his staff and fans…because they lie…A LOT…some because they are true believers and are full of fear…others because they are well paid to herd people in an ideological direction…and fear does the work for them. I feel the same way about Al “Pay To Pollute” Gore…who sells end of the world schemes to get a deal for his billionaire pals that will make them a mint…AND let them keep the status quo in exchange for cash. Names and labels mean nothing…the physical effect of implementing ideologies means everything…and by that reckoning Fox looks liberal by comparison.
     
    I couldn’t care less about Drudge or the headline…I’m talking about the filler inbetween…with a Jones staffer out there pretending to ‘report’ but actually dropping discouraging vague hints of the peril of serving some secret evil agenda…and whats wrong with that? Here’s what…the end goal is “Why not give up and go home? The real path to salvation is a basement full of canned goods, gold and guns and a channel wired in to the Alex Jones show…protesting will only get you used by ‘the enemy’.” Yeah…thats basically a disinfo op within a disinfo op…not exactly classy….or even subtle. The protests have two simple points that anyone can find if they listen for three seconds to anyone other than a MSM or disinfo stooge…the rich are getting a free ride…tax them as we did when this nation was prosperous…and bring back regulations that prevented these meltdowns. There are many other points that people may bring to it…but those two ring universal throughout…the only way to avoid them or miss them is to actively strive to not hear them.

    And no matter what Jones proclaims himself to be politically… the effective value of his stances is a neo-con, pro-business, anti-regulatory wet dream come to life in full technicolor. He can name himself Neutral McCenter if he likes…his actions bear out the precise opposite…a rabid partisanship that bends and twists to serve specific interests…almost all of them with financial ramifications for business in an environment of potential zero regulation and minimal oversight.

    I’ll take an Adbusters anyday..over a repulsive fraud profiting off the sale of wild fear and paranoia. I predate the Alex Jones era…and no small number of the wild hairs he gets up his butt were bandied around the air waves and small presses and chatboards long before we could have the dispute on Disinfo.  The bad news is that after swimming in claims like his since the 80s…the sources and their goals always look the same…ultra-cons with a willingness to say anything to frighten people into following them blindly. “We’ll all be killed!” is classic favorite…even if they have to borrow satellite footage of North Korean prisons or abandoned Air Force Bases in Idaho (taken with a B/W camera and only showing old buildings through the fence for extra scariness!) to do it. Deception is their game…and they sell the same note over and over again…the government should be made powerless…or it will kill you! You know what government keeps in check when used right? The very wealthy…who historically are a lot more inclined to mass killing and slavery on a timeline that goes back a lot longer than ‘the perils of socialism’. A government is useless  if and only if you are too terrified and hopeless to be involved in making it work for people instead of money…so small wonder the money spends a lot of itself to sell hopelessness and terror.

    As for Egypt…a vacuum formed and power players placated the masses with a few promises and went back to business as usual…you could compare that to the election of Obama handily…with millions of Americans suddenly donating and voting for unspecified change and getting nothing but a new face for their efforts…but its a poor comparison here…where we have Americans peaceably assembling and destroying nothing…with a couple of very clear simple requests of their elected officials.

    And for the unions…its great that they are jumping on the bandwagon…but I think we both know they are joining to grab camera time and PR…because after years of backpedaling and surrendering their popularity has waned to insignificance and this is a chance to make an impression. I don’t give them much credit…because they are late to the game and only show after they’re relatively sure they won’t be maced or beaten. The real credit goes to the ones who spent the first weeks in physical danger from thuggish cops. Most of the folks occupying Wall St aren’t in unions and haven’t much hope of being in one…but they know that more bodies makes more of an impression…so it is what it is. In case you’re worried that Obama will look good somehow…don’t be…I think everyone is aware that Obama has coddled Wall St so lovingly that the protests came into being because it was the ONLY way to force a standoff on the issues of regulation and taxation. The Fed is bad…yes…we all agree…but there are plenty of bad people outside of the Fed…this is about them…stop trying to steer the truck away from the garage and into the curb. I’d love to get the Fed hammered into pulp too…but I’m also happy to slam the need for sane regulations on financiers and a tax code that doesn’t bankrupt the working folks. A man needs air and water to live…he doesn’t quibble that the water has to come first before he allow himself some air. Worry about the Fed later…give these people support instead of trying to hamstring them.

    Finally, about me…in the past three decades I have worn a lot of different hats…I started off an idealistic youth, fervently liberal and diametrically opposed to the Reagan and Bush administrations…believed I was ‘delivered’ by the Clinton Gore election…then realized it was a scene from “Deliverance”…became a moderate centrist with smatterings of libertarianism, until from the inside it began to look like yet another road to the same goals for the very rich…but with less radical language. Whats left after three decades of political betrayal by both parties? A dude who trusts no ones words, trusts no parties, trusts no pundits…but measures only the effects of the actions they recommend. Look where the money goes…look for who profits most…only there can truth be found. Whether its a Patriot Act or a Nafta or a No Child Left Behind…look first for where the money will go and depart. Sometimes generating an absence of money is a form of passive attack…and some bills or laws or causes are solely dedicated to this.

    Through it all, I remember what I learned in college…I studied advertising and psychology of advertising, broadcast communications and forensic debate…and I learned almost every technique I now watch used on people today. I dropped out in horror and disgust, swearing to never work in any sales or ad related biz…ever, and to rally people against them whenever and wherever I can. My distrust isn’t born of ignorance or misinformation…its born of too much information, all of it very specific and relevant to media and the manufacturing of opinion. It takes a ’cause’ to make a person stand against their own interests…a belief or an ism to motivate them to stand against themselves. Infowars does exactly this, gathering the sheep to cheer for their own slaughter and claim that a green and free pasture is the deathcamp they should fear…and that the men with the knives in the barn nextdoor are their friends offering shelter from the worlds dangers. 

    You go on ahead and line up for the knives if you like…I’ll be rallying to burn the fucking barn down.

  39. Anonymous October 6, 2011 at 9:47 pm #

    Nice!

  40. Factsrfun1 October 7, 2011 at 2:40 am #

    I love your brilliance and proficiency in language.  You’re a prefect human being, as far as I’m concerned.  I’m dealing with a profound issue in my own personal life that I can’t seem to undertake effectively because I don’t have the ability to communicate my thoughts effectively.  I too, want to burn down the fucking barn but I only have one match, it’s wet, and when it dries, the sulphuric compound on the tip will just streak across the striker and become useless.  You have great skill in communicating and incredible insight.  How would you tell a spoiled, introverted, cultured, liberal, college educated young man not to join the army?  I’m racking my brain trying to come up with a strategy to get across to him my disdain for his choice and how we would be on opposite sides of the revolution?

  41. VoxMagi October 7, 2011 at 3:28 am #

    I’m anything but perfect…but I like to think I learn from my mistakes…and I’ve made so many that by default I create the illusion of wisdom ;-) What I do have going for me is solid knack of allegory and a long memory for history. Don’t be down on yourself…you just used an allegory perfectly (with the match reference.)

    As for the military…I wouldn’t advocate against it if a friend is truly determined. I said goodbye to an old friend years ago when he joined the Marines…and while I have differences with the way the military is used…I respect the idea of service to something other than self interest. That guy is still my pal 25 years later…and still far to the left of what one would imagine for a Marine.

    I would offer them a handshake, tell them I’m very proud that they’ve chosen to make a very serious commitment, and offer this advice: “Be true to yourself…you will be taught many things that were handed down for a long time by people with opinions that are a hundred years out of date…but are considered ‘traditional’. Pretend you accept these traditions to get along…but understand that a lot of it is total BS. Remember your principles as a person first…and hold them to yourself no matter what comes your way. If you should stand to receive orders that are immoral, unethical and downright evil…be prepared for great personal risk if you exercise your legal (even according to the Uniform Code Of Military Justice, which spells out when a soldier is entitled to refuse an order) right to refuse an unlawful command (like firing on American citizens who are lawfully protesting).” A few soldiers and officers have done so successfully…like the officer who refused to run a psy-op on a visiting cluster of congresspeople a couple of years ago. To follow the orders would have been a violation of the UCMJ…and he refused to follow those orders and issued a formal complaint against the senior officer who issued those orders. Ethical people do exist in the service…and they need all the support and company they can get.

    If your friend is a good person with a sharp mind…he’ll be okay…and one thing the military does need is smart people who are not complete drones. The only way we can hope to build an ethical and responsible military is to stack it with a new generation of people who aren’t afraid of change. I wish him, and you, the best! Mahalo!

  42. Factsrfun1 October 7, 2011 at 3:57 am #

    The young man who joined the army is my son.  Thanks for your wise words and quick response. 

  43. VoxMagi October 7, 2011 at 4:51 am #

    You’re welcome! You can upgrade the handshake to a hug for a son. I’ve got more than a few family and pals in service…and if they have a strong mind they come away only changed for the better. One pal joined the Marines and was a grunt back in the days of Grenada…another joined the Navy and retired after 20 years as an aircraft mechanic on carriers, my younger brother did 13 years in the Air Guard as base security and crisscrossed the globe (Italy, Germany, Latin America, South Korea, Japan, and finally Iraq…which made him happy to retire and switch to Navy reserves.) My uncle was a Navy computer man back in the 60s, and my dad was a C-130 pilot in Vietnam…his only medals were for relief and aid missions, including the rescue/removal of hundreds of villagers from areas in conflict to relief camps in India. It is possible for good people to do amazing things and see the world without finding themselves in serious moral quandaries.

    But the best example would be my brother…who joined at 20 and was an overeducated, unemployed guitarist with a chip on his shoulder. Almost twenty years later, he is still fiercely liberal on social issues, well read, extremely self disciplined and superbly competent as a father of two (but he does have a little trouble when there are fireworks at night during the fourth of July…too many memories of getting mortar attacked at night in Iraq.) And he’s still a great guitar picker :-) Next to him I’m the black sheep hippie that left college and ran off to become a punk rocker, poet and junkie…then cleaned up his act because he wanted to live and make the world a better place. (Not that I’d change a thing…all those screw ups taught me plenty.)

    My best wishes to your son…and if he picks a field of training that isn’t “Infantry/Rifleman”…he stands every chance of having training and a solid career that will involve some hard work and serious discipline, but won’t put him in extreme danger. If he can remember that service to a country is meaningless unless you serve its people (not its elites)…he will never lose his moral compass…and hopefully will gain experiences that many of us only wish we’d had. Peace!  

  44. Elmyr23 October 7, 2011 at 7:57 am #

    so this guy gets to stand in the crowd at bohemian grove and no way he is one of them. Says is father was a member of the john birch society so he has a soft spot for thier ideals. He thinks the world is cooling and the informations is being hiddden from us, so a gobal carbon tax regime can control us. saw a source  saying he said “Vicente Fox can morph into a green devil.” But idk i can’t find a single place on the internet that he buts his basic beliefs on paper, probably cuase he doesn’t remember all the BS he says. What i can find plenty of though is places to buy one of his many movies to add to his 5million $ networth.

    George Noory is going to be on his show this week, again. Coast to coast is not my first source for information that makes a damn to everyday americans lives. I’d rather look into privacy laws and reasons why real people are getting the shit kicked out of them and killed by police. I don’t want to waste my personal time wondering if a alien base is on the moon or mars. He is a distraction from topics that could have a real effect in our lives. Kinda like saying not to worry about things you can’t control. Sure i can’t fix government but if we start to fix things, the first thing on my check list is not taking down darpa and their weather machines.

  45. Elmyr23 October 7, 2011 at 8:05 am #

    loved it

  46. Anonymous October 9, 2011 at 9:11 pm #

    a bit belated. but great post!

  47. juan revolo October 19, 2011 at 3:56 am #

    I agree with most of this. Well said.

  48. juan revolo October 19, 2011 at 4:15 am #

    Last I heard, Al-Awlaki did not give orders to kill anyone. So it’s not the same. Looks like speach crimes to me.

  49. juan revolo October 19, 2011 at 4:15 am #

    Last I heard, Al-Awlaki did not give orders to kill anyone. So it’s not the same. Looks like speach crimes to me.

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