• http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Actually if i remember right, and this is what I found funny about protestant faith, is that it is not belief in christ that gets you into heaven, but belief in the Holy Spirit. Strangely, noone talks about it, and few even understand what it is.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Actually if i remember right, and this is what I found funny about protestant faith, is that it is not belief in christ that gets you into heaven, but belief in the Holy Spirit. Strangely, noone talks about it, and few even understand what it is.

    • A Christian

      100% wrong Gradient.  The work of Jesus Christ on the cross and his resurrection are the only reason salvation is available.  The work of the Holy Ghost is to convict mankind of their sin and turn them to God.  I think you may be referring to the “unforgivable sin” in your remarks, which is to say that it means that by blaspheme of the Holy Ghost is to reject his conviction and refusing to turn to God.  Not really sure where you get your claim from.

      • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

        Guess you’re right about the “unforgivable sin” part. But lets look at it directly:

        “Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.” -Matthew 12:31

        Now I am pretty sure there will be scripture other places to conflict this,  but this rather blatantly says the only sin that cannot be forgiven even by Jesus is denying the holy spirit.

        O well, I guess by certain interpretations of:

        “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto my father, but by me” John 14:6″

        You can continue to believe that you have to have faith in Jesus to get into your heaven.

        • A Christian

          It says “shall not be forgiven”  as in Christ to whom was given the power to judge all things chooses not to forgive the rejecting of the Holy Ghost.  Again, the reason for this is because the Holy Spirit’s main purpose after the resurrection is to turn people to salvation, therefore refusing to turn to salvation and accepting forgiveness means you will not be forgiven…go figure.  Its really not that complicated to draw the meaning from this passage.  You don’t seem to grasp the theology of Christianity beyond the most basic level yet you regularly attempt to imply to others that you are a subject matter expert.  I am not sure what you are trying to achieve by that, but hey to each his own.  BTW, I will have to admit that I don’t claim that it is my heaven as I wrote none of the passages contained in the Bible nor was I original in any of the statements I make concerning it.

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            Nope, I’m far from an expert, just having a conversation. I know I can’t make any claims of being terribly knowledgeable about christianity, but if I were a syncretist, the Holy Spirit would be my method of “attack”.

  • Mr Willow

    And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works
    Revelation 20:12 and 13

    Also, Paul wrote nothing that was intended to be placed alongside what is presumed to be the ‘Word of God’. He wrote letters expressing his opinions to the various tribes around the Mediterranean. Hence: (Paul’s letters to the) Romans, (letters to the) Corinthians, (letters to the) Galatians, (letters to the) Ephesians, (letters to the) Philippians, (letters to the) Colossians, (letters to the) Thessalonians, and (letters to the) Hebrews. I highly doubt they were ever intended to be authoritative on the same level as the gospels.

    • DITM

      Paul makes it pretty clear when what he’s writing is his own opinion and when what he’s writing is the word of God (as he understands it). There are a few times this juxtaposition is made clear, such as 1 Corinthians 7:10 where he makes sure to note that the previous lines were his views and the upcoming lines are the word of God.

  • Mr Willow

    And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works
    Revelation 20:12 and 13

    Also, Paul wrote nothing that was intended to be placed alongside what is presumed to be the ‘Word of God’. He wrote letters expressing his opinions to the various tribes around the Mediterranean. Hence: (Paul’s letters to the) Romans, (letters to the) Corinthians, (letters to the) Galatians, (letters to the) Ephesians, (letters to the) Philippians, (letters to the) Colossians, (letters to the) Thessalonians, and (letters to the) Hebrews. I highly doubt they were ever intended to be authoritative on the same level as the gospels.

  • DeepCough

    What Pastor Robert Jeffress says is 100% correct: Mormonism is a cult, specifically, it’s a polygamist cult. For more information, check out this interesting documentary.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGQsYCBXqLQ

    • HisNoodlyAppendages

      ALL religions start off as cults. The ONLY difference between a cult and a religion is the number of followers it has. 

  • DeepCough

    What Pastor Robert Jeffress says is 100% correct: Mormonism is a cult, specifically, it’s a polygamist cult. For more information, check out this interesting documentary.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGQsYCBXqLQ

  • DITM

    Paul makes it pretty clear when what he’s writing is his own opinion and when what he’s writing is the word of God (as he understands it). There are a few times this juxtaposition is made clear, such as 1 Corinthians 7:10 where he makes sure to note that the previous lines were his views and the upcoming lines are the word of God.

  • Jbar

    Christianity is a cult, a death cult based on a false messiah.

    • A Christian

      Thanks for sharing your opinion Jbar, but opinions like that die the death of 1,000 qualifications.

      • Anarchy Pony

        I like that, death of 1000 qualifications.

  • Jbar

    Christianity is a cult, a death cult based on a false messiah.

  • A Christian

    100% wrong Gradient.  The work of Jesus Christ on the cross and his resurrection are the only reason salvation is available.  The work of the Holy Ghost is to convict mankind of their sin and turn them to God.  I think you may be referring to the “unforgivable sin” in your remarks, which is to say that it means that by blaspheme of the Holy Ghost is to reject his conviction and refusing to turn to God.  Not really sure where you get your claim from.

  • A Christian

    Thanks for sharing your opinion Jbar, but opinions like that die the death of 1,000 qualifications.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Guess you’re right about the “unforgivable sin” part. But lets look at it directly:

    “Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.” -Matthew 12:31

    Now I am pretty sure there will be scripture other places to conflict this,  but this rather blatantly says the only sin that cannot be forgiven even by Jesus is denying the holy spirit.

    O well, I guess by certain interpretations of:

    “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto my father, but by me” John 14:6″

    You can continue to believe that you have to have faith in Jesus to get into your heaven.

  • HisNoodlyAppendages

    ALL religions start off as cults. The ONLY difference between a cult and a religion is the number of followers it has. 

  • Sangproductions183

    Regardless of who you side with, I’m glad to see two men of opposing opinions can sit down and have such a cordial and comical discussion. Much more of that please.

  • Sangproductions183

    Regardless of who you side with, I’m glad to see two men of opposing opinions can sit down and have such a cordial and comical discussion. Much more of that please.

    • Anarchy Pony

      Until they eventually hit a brick wall that neither can get through or around and that’s the end of that.

      • Sangproductions183

        And then they can agree to disagree civilly.

        • Anarchy Pony

          Depends on what exactly they may be disagreeing on.

  • Anti-Citizen1

    I like that, death of 1000 qualifications.

  • Anti-Citizen1

    Until they eventually hit a brick wall that neither can get through or around and that’s the end of that.

  • Sangproductions183

    And then they can agree to disagree civilly.

  • Anti-Citizen1

    Depends on what exactly they may be disagreeing on.

  • A Christian

    It says “shall not be forgiven”  as in Christ to whom was given the power to judge all things chooses not to forgive the rejecting of the Holy Ghost.  Again, the reason for this is because the Holy Spirit’s main purpose after the resurrection is to turn people to salvation, therefore refusing to turn to salvation and accepting forgiveness means you will not be forgiven…go figure.  Its really not that complicated to draw the meaning from this passage.  You don’t seem to grasp the theology of Christianity beyond the most basic level yet you regularly attempt to imply to others that you are a subject matter expert.  I am not sure what you are trying to achieve by that, but hey to each his own.  BTW, I will have to admit that I don’t claim that it is my heaven as I wrote none of the passages contained in the Bible nor was I original in any of the statements I make concerning it.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Nope, I’m far from an expert, just having a conversation. I know I can’t make any claims of being terribly knowledgeable about christianity, but if I were a syncretist, the Holy Spirit would be my method of “attack”.

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