Happy Jesus Ween: Canada Pastor Invents ‘Christian Alternative’ to Halloween

Jesus WeenTamara Gignac reports in the Calgary Herald

Tiny ghosts and goblins hoping for sugary snacks may find something odd in their loot bags this Halloween: a bible.

A Calgary pastor is promoting Jesus Ween, a faith-based alternative to the traditional holiday fare of candy and spooky garb.

Instead of chocolate bars and gummy bears, he’s asking people to shun demonic costumes and instead dole out pocket-sized bibles or other “Christian gifts.”

The idea has caught on in communities across North America, according to Jesus Ween creator Paul Ade. He’s hoping it will bring a new perspective to an otherwise pagan festival, he said.

“I do not associate myself with ghosts, demons, Satan and witches. These are things I want to get rid of,” he said.

“If it’s OK for a child to know about demons, it should also be OK for a child to know about Jesus.”

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  • Anonymous

    Sorry bub, I’d rather burn in hell than bow before an insane “God” so I guess Yahweh and his little butt buddy Yesua will have to go it alone this Halloween.

  • Redacted

    Sorry bub, I’d rather burn in hell than bow before an insane “God” so I guess Yahweh and his little butt buddy Yesua will have to go it alone this Halloween.

    • Anti-Crowley

      Not a problem Spam, I think he can make that one happen.

      • Redacted

        God will smite you heathen?

        • Anti-Crowley

          I get all of you weirdo’s confused, which God is yours again?  Was yours Dawkins?

          • Jin The Ninja

            you, whose name is ‘anti-crowley,’  should not deride other’s pseudonyms until your own is improved upon.

            and criticism of ANY institution should be free and open, and does not denote that one is an atheist, pagan, or heretic. In fact, xtianity would be MUCH healthier today, if it promoted discussion, dissent and dialectical reasoning of practices (rather than simply ideologies) within in it’s own clergy and membership.

          • anti-crowley

            which it does, which causes differences in the details of certain things.  This causes some to separate themselves into another denomination but maintains the fundamental belief that makes one a Christian.  Then people like you attack them for having different opinions and interpretations.  Its almost as if you would find a problem with the Christians no matter what, but of course that could not be the case.

          • Jin The Ninja

            I find nothing problematic about people who read the entire canonical and non canonical works of isrealite religion and decide to derive a moral and religious philosophy from that- I do, however, have a problem with corrupt institutions masquerading as legitimate ‘religious’ and spiritual representatives of god(s). that pertains to any religion in the modern sense of the word. I also have a problem with people who feign victimisation (in complete contrast to modern history) and have a tendency towards disrespect and ignorance of even the slightest oecumenism (including that towards other religions)and whose views border on christian dominionism.

          • GoodDoktorBad

            I thought there was supposed to be only one God…..wierdo. Get your story straight….

          • anti-crowley

            I that what you thought?  Well, you are correct.  We are straight now.

          • GoodDoktorBad

            I’m much calmer now…

      • GoodDoktorBad

        Ahh, I think you take a bit too much amusement from those you believe to be ready for the fire.

        Condemnation and judgement is very unbecoming, even in jest….

        …….lest ye be judged -silly man.

        Smooooooch!

        • anti-crowley

          Jesting…?

          • GoodDoktorBad

            I think, that as a matter of course, it is such that we all must face ourselves eventually….in so doing the jester removes his make up and speaks with the tongues of angels.

          • anti-crowley

            Based on those who enjoy your support with coming to their defense and with ‘likes” I wonder why it is that you picked the Christian to accuse of being over the top.  Maybe you could look up some previous articles from Spam an note his approach to things, especially on Christianity.  Condemnation and judgment come from God, and all fall into it.  Why do you ignore the condemnation and judgment of all who oppose Christianity on here?

          • GoodDoktorBad

            You are here to teach us patience. 

            I don’t really care what Spam thinks particularly either way.  If he happens to say something I find interesting or funny, that’s all well and fine. 

            Perhaps there are many that don’t make the distinction between the value of christian myth and philosophy and the awful things that are done in the name of a religion or God, nearly any religion could be sited as culpable in some way. 

            “all who oppose Christianity”? 
            Their are few if any clear lines between extremes when broaching such subjects. I’m sorry to say, but you seem to operate on the fringe with your old time zealotry. If you are a good Christian soldier you should not be troubled by my silly opinion. Have faith sir and let no man make you waver from your devotion.

            Despite what you may think, it’s what we’re all trying to do, each in our own way…

          • anti-crowley

            “sorry to say, but you seem to operate on the fringe with your old time zealotry.”

            That is because God is not new age.  God is very old, and very zealous.  Big “T” truth is very exclusive, it is either true or not true in matters pertaining to it.  That does not fit the new age desire for everyone to do as they please and squash any belief that says they might possibly be doing something wrong.  I would find any views on God that have his morality conveniently changing with the whims of society suspect.

            I think you have perhaps over exaggerated how much you’re opinion troubles me.  BTW not just religions are culpable in wrong doing, virtually every people, nation in all of history have done awful things in all of the different world views.  Maybe someone will wake up some day and realize that the problem is mankind…maybe, just maybe we are sinful as a race.

          • Calypso_1

            You only understand things that are true or not true.  That’s ok.  We understand that your soul longs for that which is both true and untrue and that which is neither truth nor untruth and that which is the otherway in reverse.  Otherwise you would not come to us.  We will be patient and care for you in this time of struggle.

          • anti-crowley

            Wow, sidestep!  That’s cool Calypso, but I am still waiting for the Doktor to respond.  Thanks for being there for me.

          • GoodDoktorBad

            Does God have a name? Is he a singular entity or is God simply “All there is”? When we speak of God as being “very old”, what does that really mean? Compared to what? God is “beyond compare” and the master and creator of time anyway, so the concept of time is a moot point, right? “Zealous” -another very human term for very human behavior. So, now we have the nerve to characterize the supreme being with low life human terms? Sounds like blasphemy to me…..

            As I’ve said before, God, the supreme unknown quantity, is also the ultimate name drop. I think I understand now why it used to be a sin to utter the name YWH, Yahweh and/or Jehovah in conversation. It was considered frivolous and covetous of Gods glory…I’m just trying to illustrate the vagueness of the word “God”. Your conception of the meaning is, like all humans, self contained and subjective. Subject to interpretation. You know this to be true. so, it must also follow that religion is generally a farce because it does not reflect a consistent reality within its membership.Each member is his own church and religion no matter what collective label they don -Christian or otherwise. The same goes for “God’s judgement” at death. It’ll be just you (or anybody) and God, right? The Pope or your Parrish priest won’t be standing there with you….

          • anti-crowley

            You premise that nothing in the Bible is revelation from God in many of your statements.  If that premise is true then you would be correct in many of your conclusions.  My question then is, why do you premise there is a God to begin with?  If you believe there is a God it is because God has revealed his existence in one form or another.  The problem is, you take many concepts and terms from the Bible, which is to say that it really is revelation from God, then you throw in your assumptions that contradict what the Bible says.  For example God in the Bible calls himself jealous and zealous concerning his own, which is why God considers worship of anything but him as adultery.  He is also referred to as the Ancient of Days which is what I was playing on when I said he was really old, I think we both know what I meant by that.  You can play semantics all you like, but we communicate with words and if we are to discuss God with language then we must refer to God somehow, which is why Christians normally choose the generic word “God” instead of any of the other titles.  As for names…the Biblical usage of names and what names are is nothing like the contemporary Western usage.  Names in the Bible could be anything related to the individuals persona, traits, character ect. 

            I agree that God is the supreme unknown quantity, what we know of and eternal, all powerful being is but a shadow of a fraction.  God has given us the things we need to know but not all that is to be known about him.  I agree that the term “God” is subjective as it refers to anything given divine qualities and is worshiped as such, even the Bible uses it in this context in a few passages.  That is why the phrase “the one true God” is used.

            If God is real then God is truth.  Nothing of man’s consistency will effect God.  Different Christians may be wrong on different issues, this does not effect the truth that is God as you and I both know.  If there be two conflicting views they cannot both be right, but that in no way means that everything believed about the God of Christendom is nonexistent.  That would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.   I must also make clear that I don’t believe God is religion or vise verse.  I despise religion as much as the next.  Contrary to what many here believe I reject all the traditions that are practiced in religion.  No specific garb, instruments, or chanting, architecture or calendar dates and the like.  I reject the idea of celebrating on certain pagan originated dates or the need to worship on Sunday.  God is a Spirit and must be worshiped in spirit.

            Lastly, I agree that we will all stand before God to be judged one day.  No lawyers or witnesses, no excuses.  We will stand before God and he will demand an answer from us.  We will all lay prostrate before him, all sins exposed and we will acknowledge his existence and authority.  For those who required that he show himself to them before they would believe, they will get that proof…the cost of which will be eternity in separation from him.

          • GoodDoktorBad

            I think that if the Bible is revelation from God, then everything ever written is also revelation. The bible is a collection of old stories, prose and poetry essentially. Stories much like the stories of any era -full of philosophy, magic, gods, intrigue, romance, morality and immorality -many of epic proportion detailing the human condition. Also, stories written that preceded the Bible are probably much like those in the bible. 

            Wisdom can be found in all stories -even “evil” ones of murder, rape and other mayhem and debauchery. There are plenty of those kinds of stories in the bible. It is rife with them. Subjects that might get an NC-17 or X rating at the theater.  They are “morality plays” -I think that is the phrase for it… 

            The bible was written by men, so that makes it suspect straight out as being purely the word of God, unless of course all written words are Gods words. Which actually seems to make some sense considering man has been writing stories fit for a bible since the beginning of time. 

            ” If God is real then God is truth. ”

            Personally, my god is Truth. So, if  God is truth, I guess we believe in the same god. Fancy that.

          • Big T

            Doktor I have no doubt you know your way around a Bible.  However, I will have to remind you of the scholarly and historical magnificence of the KJV that anyone who has studied the English language’s history will admit was deeply influenced by this work…inspired or not.  The radical proposals of the Gospels on human equality ect. rate a respected nod from all who have enjoyed the fruits, Theist and Atheist.  Then there is prophecy fulfillment that has caused not but a few historians to scramble for excuses and settle on weak rebuttles of coincidence, self fulfillment hyperinflation and the like.  Its the #1 seller for a reason.

            I feel I need to ask, do you expect God to write it all down himself without using man?  If so, would you believe the Christians if they claimed that God wrote it himself?  I think not.  Rhetorical question, but what would it take for you to believe that a particular book was special revelation from God?  Just want to make sure there is a standard and not just personal incredulity involved here.

          • GoodDoktorBad

            Oh, and it’s also because your’e the bunny at the dog track. The deer amid the wolf pack. The stalled car on the train track. Get it?

            You wandered out onto the mortar range and now you wonder why the shells are falling…Help!

          • anti-crowley

            Cute analogy, let me see if I can interpret it properly;  Oh, and it’s because you are the one who believes what we all hate, the Christian amongst those who hate Christians.  

            Funny how you all are so open about how much hatred you have for Christians with broad sweeping labels and stereotypes, but when I call it what it is you all suddenly attempt to deny that you are doing so.  It always comes back to “Those horrible, evil, gullible Christians who are also behind some deep conspiracy that has got the world in its death grip.”  I love how you fancy yourself the dog, wolf, train or mortar shell and the Christian as the target, I thought your whole argument was that it was the other way around, take some time and get your story straight.

          • GoodDoktorBad

            Wow, you really can whip yourself into a tizzy can’t you? I’m sorry you don’t get it. I’m weary of wordy explanations that are only misinterpreted, so continue your rant into eternity for all I care. 

            You seem capable of creating your own odd version of reality just fine without outside help, so why blabber with the heathens? (sigh)

          • anti-crowley

            The Doktor is weary of wordy explanations?  Somehow I don’t think so.  I have a gut feeling that we will see wordy explanations from you in spades in the future.

          • Calypso_1

            Your cries of faith are no more than the echoes of your own anosognosia.
            There is mercy in the pain of awakening and an infinitude of realization that
            smiles upon you with loving kindness.

          • anti-crowley

            Great, now we’ve got Calypso claiming that Christians believe as they do because of brain injuries.  I’m sure your correct, all Christians have either suffered from a stroke, brain trauma or Alzheimer’s.  That is a pretty specific term that you used, I don’t know where you heard it but you failed to fully understand what it means. 

          • Calypso_1

            You’re right you don’t where I learned that term, but have had the opportunity to use it in charting several patients’ psychiatric symptoms. As to what it means – I think you need to spend a few more hours in a medschool library before I’ll continue discussing the specifics with you. As to what Christian’s believe, I was not referring to any group – I was referring to you. You are experiencing delusions of reference but you don’t know this because of aforementioned term. Please reply back – you obviously need an outlet for your persecution complex.

  • Anonymous

    All the recently pregnant churchies stand around in mother Mary garb and tease a mock up of the baby Jesus with their lactating breasts…..then they force him to eat Similac and Gerbers…

    Jesus Wean!!

  • GoodDoktorBad

    All the recently pregnant churchies stand around in mother Mary garb and tease a mock up of the baby Jesus with their lactating breasts…..then they force him to eat Similac and Gerbers…

    Jesus Wean!!

  • DeepCough

    You fuckers already have Easter and Christmas, you don’t need anymore stupid holidays.

    • Anti-Crowley

      Jealousy is a bad cologne.

      • DeepCough

        That’s funny considering that Easter and Christmas were co-opted from pagan festivals on the same date, once upon a time.

        • Anti-Crowley

          That they were…your point?

          • DeepCough

            ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER, CAN YOU READ IT?!

          • anti-crowley

            Oh, let me clarify what I meant, I got your point but it was stupid…hope that helps.

          • Jin The Ninja

            It’s not actually, it’s referring to the processes of christian imperialism and dominionism that co-opted pagan holidays in order to gain support for the Holy Roman Empire. I think if you look at the history of the church it’s very obvious that the institution of christianity was only interested in power (and money), and not in disseminating the ideology of the christ figure.

      • Jin The Ninja

        to echo Deep-

        the stench of hypocrisy, bloody conquest, cultural assimilation and childish antics (such as is noted in the article) is a fragrance far worse than “Jealousy”

        • Anti-crowley

          Yes ninja, you tend to do a lot of echoing I have noticed.

          • Jin The Ninja

            If i agree with one’s opinion, it is my every right to endorse it. i neither see that as problematic or dishonest.

            i can dialectically reason my preferances and ideas to discern for myself why i believe something.

            and aside from agreeing with regular posters, what would you suggest is the proportionality of my posts with my own opinions to those agreeing outrightly with others?

          • anti-crowley

            Wow, you spent a lot of time thinking about that response.  Well put, but what I was saying was not that you should disagree with others you happen to agree with, just that you should come up with some original statements more often.  You know, instead of just “liking” everyone’s posts and then restating their points…that’s all.

          • Jin The Ninja

            i “like” posts i happen to agree with, as well as, those that raise my level of awareness (and not nessacerily because i agree with them totally).

            1300 posts, and i’d say only 1/3 of them are responses, the rest are my own initial responses/feelings, and even those that respond to to other people generally include points of contention or expansion of the discussion.

            I appreciate your concern, but it is wholely unwarranted.

          • dumbsaint

            And you do a lot of pointless trolling. 

          • Mulderoe

            yup.

    • E.B. Wolf

      You mean Eostre and Saturnalia?

      • Mr Willow

        Or Beltaine and Yule?

        • E.B. Wolf

          Those work too.

  • DeepCough

    You fuckers already have Easter and Christmas, you don’t need anymore stupid holidays.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    “Jesus, Ween.” Happens to be exactly what I said the first time I heard their song “Piss up a Rope”, off their _12 Golden Country Greats_ album.

    But this article has nothing to do with that band.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfmB-8onoMo

    • GV

      You think it’s unrelated but in reality that song is what the people who listen to this holiday have playing right now

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    “Jesus, Ween.” Happens to be exactly what I said the first time I heard their song “Piss up a Rope”, off their _12 Golden Country Greats_ album.

    But this article has nothing to do with that band.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfmB-8onoMo

  • Anarchy Pony

    Really? Jesus-“ween”? Are these people moronic? Could they butcher the language more effectively?

    • Jin The Ninja

      a surprising number of cdns believe in this sort of protestantism…

      obvious that the pastor is from calgary. alberta is ‘our’ texas.

  • Anti-Citizen1

    Really? Jesus-“ween”? Are these people moronic? Could they butcher the language more effectively?

  • John Quayle

    get a grip, Halloween is a bit of fun for everyone,we have religion forced down are throats at xmas and easter,and besides, every celebrates xmas,and most are not even religious 

    • Jin The Ninja

      i agree that x-mas has permeated mass culture to an offensive degree; however don’t you think “every[one] celebrates xmas,and most are not even religious” is deeply problematic in and of itself? I think they are actually celebrating the commerical holiday of x-mas- which is part of the church of bank and retail. I think the ‘celebration’ of x-mas is deeply hypocritical on multiple levels.

    • quartz99

      We don’t all celebrate Christmas. In fact, no one I know personally out here does except one guy who has to go visit his parents or they guilt him. Everyone else either celebrates Yule (which is similar to Christmas since that’s where most Christmas traditions came from, granted) or Channukah or they don’t celebrate anything until New Years.

  • http://www.facebook.com/curlyquayle John Quayle

    get a grip, Halloween is a bit of fun for everyone,we have religion forced down are throats at xmas and easter,and besides, every celebrates xmas,and most are not even religious 

  • Brinaerin

    Really there are no words.

  • Brinaerin

    Really there are no words.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DZM2Z2A6N3U6EZSGPO6QPRAM2Q Alan

    Umph. ‘Jesus Ween’ doesn’t even sound right.
    /withholds further comments esp. of a Catholic reference
    //okay, ‘Turgid For Eternity’? ‘He Lived Amongst Men’? …many others, Pope Bendadick approved

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DZM2Z2A6N3U6EZSGPO6QPRAM2Q Alan

    Umph. ‘Jesus Ween’ doesn’t even sound right.
    /withholds further comments esp. of a Catholic reference
    //okay, ‘Turgid For Eternity’? ‘He Lived Amongst Men’? …many others, Pope Bendadick approved

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DZM2Z2A6N3U6EZSGPO6QPRAM2Q Alan

    Umph. ‘Jesus Ween’ doesn’t even sound right.
    /withholds further comments esp. of a Catholic reference
    //okay, ‘Turgid For Eternity’? ‘He Lived Amongst Men’? …many others, Pope Bendadick approved

  • apostle

    Great idea, instead of candy, give the children a hate filled book that borders on the pornographic. I guess its better than setting them on fire for being in league with SATAN.

    • Calypso_1

      perhaps the halloween edition bible can have all the passages that talk about child and animal sacrifice and the crucifixion printed in red. 

      • Jin The Ninja

        yes! and all the parts where women are raped and/or subjugated by men (for the will of god of course) can have an audio part read by Rush Limbaugh.

    • Anti-Crowley

      Yes, nothing is more relevant to Christianity today than our problem with burning Heretics.   You really wanna be tough and display some intellectual courage, rail against Islam which is burning apostates daily.  But of course your parents weren’t Muslim, probably Christian which is the reason for that naughty rebellious attitude isn’t it?  So I guess you have a problem with sex and pornography?  You sound religious!…pathetic.

      • apostle

        What pathetic is: believing in a book written by primitive iron age sheep herders. Then trying to cram your insanity down the throat of anybody gullible enough to listen to you, including impressionable children (Child Abuse). Not to mention that if given enough rope you and your kind would hang or imprison anybody who threatens your idea of what society should be. Yeah, that’s pretty pathetic.

        • Anti-Crowley

          I wish those sheep herders were smart enough to realize they came from nothing a zillion years ago as evidenced by the invisible fossil record to support it.  Your confirmation bias in the last sentence appears strangely to be you assigning your tendencies to generalize a large group of people.  Maybe if you can impose more anger into your replies it will make you right…still pathetic.

      • E.B. Wolf

        Islam isn’t trying to fuck with Halloween. 

        • Anti-Crowley

          No, they already decapitated all who practice anything of the sort in any countries they have control of…good point wolf!

          • E.B. Wolf

            Since I don’t live in any of those countries, I could care less what they do there.

          • anti-crowley

            Good approach, forget the goings-on of the rest of the world, it doesn’t effect us.  Meanwhile, lets worry about some random Pastor who handed out Bibles on Halloween, I’m sure that directly effected your life.  I predict that what ever your response is will be liked by Jin TheNinja.

          • E.B. Wolf

            Well, a bible-thumper did hand me some stupid card with christian nonsense on it instead of candy when I used to actually go trick-or-treating. So yea, it did affect my life…and his when we all egged his house and car in retaliation.

          • anti-crowley

            Wow, my heart goes out to you for having to deal with such atrocities committed upon you by some radical Christian.  I am glad to see you rose above him and his ridiculous attacks with some good old fashion egging.

          • E.B. Wolf

            Thank you. It was the most appropriate response our heathen ten-year-old brains could come up with and seemed entirely in the spirit of the holiday.

          • Jin The Ninja

            Aside from your engagement in explicit racist, colonialist, orientalist rhetoric in above comment; how does it feel to defend something as entirely ridiculous as ‘Jesus-ween,’ how is relevant to a global multi-faith (and no faith) world, and why would modern x’tians accept this as a viable replacement for the offending holiday?

          • Anti-Crowley

            So a PASTOR decides to hand out Bibles on Halloween, big surprise.  What I find ridiculous is the fact that such a local and overall insignificant event made it on this website.  What is even more ridiculous is the denial by some regulars here that there is no racism or stereotyping targeted at the whole of Christianity on Disinfo.  I watch anti-Christian after anti-Christian gang up on anyone who hints at the fact that they are of the Christian faith.  I understand ganging up on me, I ask for it.  But there are plenty of well meaning non-provocative Christians who post on here and are swarmed by the “open minded” people here, of which you are one. 

          • Calypso_1

            There is a big difference between anti-christian sentiments and those that are against christ.  Perhaps you garner so much derision here because you display so few christ-like qualities; which when it comes down to it, is the distinction that others are able to see so clearly between religionists and the true elements of their professed faiths.

          • E.B. Wolf

            Your little “A Christian” alter-ego experiment disproves that, as most regulars here were quite civil and interested in polite discussion,myself included. http://www.disinfo.com/2011/10/the-bible-tells-me-so-video/#disqus_thread
            Try again.

          • anti-crowley

            I will say in that case you were one of about two or three.  But you neglect the fact that all of these articles are very obviously initiating a discussion against Christianity.  Before a Christian can even post on it the discussion has begun with ridicule and satire: http://www.disinfo.com/2011/10/god-is-part-of-the-1-percent/

            I also noted that when the attacks started, non of you commented against him…there was a silent approval from all of you.  In fact, the only real concern seemed to be that he might “vindicate” me.  Thanks for bringing that article back up.

          • Jin The Ninja

            Racism is not in the least applicable to this discussion. Christianity and Western culture are practically synonymous and christians are neither in the minority nor oppressed in any way.

            While there is some obvious anti-christian sentiment on the boards, from my perspective most of it is not ‘anti-christian’ but rather anti- evangelical. contemporary evangelical and born-again protestantism have very little in common with historical or esoteric christiainity. I would be remiss in not mentioning that the catholic church, arcaic, deeply hierarchichal and corrupt on a vast scale. while more closely ritualised, to ancient christianity, subverts the christ’s teachings to maintain it’s power and hegemony. the criticism of x’tianity (mainstream) tends to derive from hundreds of years of examples of corruption and dare i say evil practices, rather than criticism of christianity as the teachings of christ the magi, derived from isrealite polytheism and esoteric philosophy.

            cite one ‘non provocative’ christian whom has been swarmed?

            I would say, as a regular poster, militant atheists are often subject to a high level of dispute (from myself among many others), as well as those who believe in christian dominance and try to promote a specific set of teachings as ‘truth.’

            Since i am not ‘anti-christian’ (most of my schooling btw was within a jesuit and later benedictine private school)as i have deep vested interests in gnosticism(s), manicheanism, jesuit social justice, christian anarchism and liberation theology- the reason you may feel targeted solely rests on the tone and themes of your posts- which are unreasonable and often ahistorical in large measure.

      • Calypso_1

        You know when I feel tough?  When a laser guided 2000 pounder is bringing some Jehovified shock and awe to them haji’s!  Yeah Hot Damn!  Turn or Burn! Be Sanctified or French Fried! – Add that to your daily crispy count!  

        • Anti-crowley

          Poor Middle Eastern extremists, just more victims in this Conspiratorial Christian run world.  Perhaps if they were to invite you to the United Nations to explain things it would bring an end to war.  I can put you in contact with someone who can make it happen, just give me the directions to your parents basement and they will come and pick you up.

          • Calypso_1

            I’m sure he’s glad someone came to pick him up from his parent’s basement.

          • anti-crowley

            I’ve seen something like that before, oh yea, every time the insurgents in Iraq blew up an IED there were dozens of kids like this, same with the Taliban in Afghanistan.  I will refrain from posting any of the beheading videos on here, but would like to bring them to mind.  Mind explaining how that kid was injured?  I figured you would know since you posted the picture.

          • Calypso_1

            I will grant that I can not attribute the source of this child’s injuries to coalition forces.  Given the tactics employed by anti-coalition forces and unknown actors within the Iraq theater it is very likely that this boy could have sustained his injuries due to IED or mortar fire.  I have in no way implied that I condone the actions of any parties involved but meant to illustrate the impact on children in a war that clearly has religious overtones – despite any protestations to the contrary.     
                 Furthermore, I WOULD prefer to use images specifically attributable to coalition “collateral damage” but American armed forces have not been particularly forthcoming in providing such images to the public.
                  To clarify the validity of referencing child casualties as caused by coalition forces I will site to you the only peer reviewed study on the topic “Comparing civilian effects of opposing combatant forces, the total Anti-Coalition Woman and Child DWI of 10 and the total Coalition Woman and Child DWI of 51 suggest that Coalition forces caused a significantly higher proportion of woman and child deaths among its civilian deaths during 2003–2008 than did Anti-Coalition forces (p<0.001).”  Though the study sights mortar fire as having the highest casualty effect on civilians, it shows Coalition air attacks without ground fire had a higher rate of death among women and children then IEDs and nonsuicide vehicle bombs.  http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1000415
            …..oh and the UN estimates that 500,000 Iraqi kids died from starvation due to prewar sanctions.
                  As to your thoughts of beheadings I can only ask you compare it to the preferred military version of a .50 cal cranial evacuation – I’ve seen plenty of troops post their trophy vids of these.

            Finally I want to offer you something to think about the next time you see an image of a suffering child.

            Jesus loves the little children
            All the children of the world
            Black and yellow, red and white
            They're all precious in His sight
            Jesus loves the little children of the world

          • anti-crowley

            Unknown perpetrators caused 74% of deaths

            Its in the very first paragraph of  your article. 

            So sanctions should not be used, then military should not be used.  What’s left to deter genocidal rogue state actors?  I love how simple the world is to you.  You like to complain about all of this, but I notice you never have a real solution.  Just some hippie, pampered, entitled American that forgets why they have a desktop PC, laptop, Iphone and digital cable.  You arguments lack any real substance and they seem to be clutching at strings.  Its as if as long as you put any response..”that’ll do!”  

            So Saddam takes no responsiblity for either the sanctions or the starvation?  Funny, because when we first got there, all the aid and supplies that had been brought into the country were being used as weapons by the republican guard.  Even more devastating to your ignorant claims were the hundreds of millions of dollars Saddam was pouring into his military instead of his people.

            The big difference between cutting the head off of an innocent NGO worker or reporter who is tied up and shooting an armed insurgent in the head with a .50 cal?  Oh, I dunno maybe we can refer to the law of land-warfare, Geneva convention or Hague act for an answer you tool! 

            Next time you see a picture of a suffering child, maybe you can think…who is responsible and how can I stop them…rather than, How can I used this horrible photo to try to win an argument on a website.  Your fraudulent attempt at sincerity failed miserably.

          • Calypso_1

            Yes 74% of civilian death by unknown perpetrators refers to TOTAL statistics including male executions.  This was primarily from the period of secretarian death squads.  I was referring to the analysis as specifically done on deaths of woman and children.  I won’t even take the time to go into US involvement with ‘unknown perpetrators’ Let’s just say Negroponte had a beautiful track record for such achievements elsewhere. 
             
            Once again I want to say this very clearly – I have in no way implied that I condone the actions of any parties involved.  I have not said that I think horrible people shouldn’t be stopped.  I haven’t talked about solutions because frankly a ‘discussion’ with you just doesn’t get that far. 
             
            I see suffering children frequently and I do everything my abilities allow to heal them and change their life circumstance.
             
            They biggest thing you have missed in what I have tried to say to you is that despite your constant statements about Christians, Christians, Christians – nothing Christ-like ever comes from you.  Nothing, not once, have I seen a semblance of the beatitudes or love, compassion or forgiveness in your statements.  I know we are all at different points in our spiritual development but I have to tell you for one professing to be a Christian you seem to have much more in common with the Pharisees.  I actually prayed for you last night – I hope you find some peace that passes your understanding.

          • anti-crowley

            Given that you don’t seem to believe that Christ was actually the Son of God, then you must believe he was either insane or evil to teach people that he was.  Do you recognize that He was crucified for your sins?  Let’s consider when Jesus says “I am the way the Truth and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me.” 

            Maybe do some reading and find exactly what God says is considered righteousness.  Then go back over the beatitudes.  Without Faith in God no righteousness is attributed to man.  Try quoting scriptures about what brings salvation before you try to skip to the parts you love to quote.  Verse mining from the Bible demonstrates nothing to prove your point.  Take a look at Matt 4, taking scripture out of context and applying it to your own devices is an old tactic.

            1 John 4
            Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

          • Calypso_1

            I have not stated the nature of my belief nor does my belief compel me to do so in this circumstance because the ground between us is hard and choked with weeds.  From this you cannot derive that I must therefore believe Jesus to be insane or evil.  The verses you choose are as ‘mined’ as any I reference.  We both select those that we wish in order to demonstrate some attribute we deem relevant to the topic at hand.  I chose to reference the teachings of Jesus and you chose to reference the teachings of one of his followers.  As to the ‘I am the Way’ statement I do not have any need to engage your belief about this as I am very familiar with the standard interpretation of this passage.  I wish I could share with you my belief about that passage but I don’t have the power to transform your mind so that you could know it.  You however, seem to feel that when you make a pronouncement it carries behind it the hand of the almighty.  If your words were carried with humility, understanding and love I might indeed see the fruit of the spirit in you.  As nothing about your character demonstrates one seeking discernment and wisdom I have no need to speak further about this. 

          • anti-crowley

            Without first acknowledging who Christ is you cannot discern or have wisdom my friend.  I notice you side stepped any statement that Christ is the Son of God and came in the flesh.

            John 1
            In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            No response? Have i outed you as a disinfo insider? Maybe i just cant believe your for real because you waste so much damn time on this website trying to convince people about christianity. It seems ludicrous. But then again it doesn’t seem ludicrous if your a disinfo-insider faking it.

      • Monkey See Monkey Do

        HAHAHA! Your a classic Anti-Crowley.
        Even though i disagree with just about everything you say on this site you are exactly what this site needs. Your someone to ruffle feathers. Your someone to spout ignorance and get people thinking more seriously about how to challenge that ignorance. You come along and take a big shit in the middle of the circle jerk.

        I do question whether your just a set-up to get people too respond. Nevertheless your great because you incite people to give some amazingly succinct responses, and you force people to be patient with Christian ignorance.

  • apostle

    Great idea, instead of candy, give the children a hate filled book that borders on the pornographic. I guess its better than setting them on fire for being in league with SATAN.

  • Calypso_1

    I’ve got to go watch The Wicker Man to feel clean again.

    • E.B. Wolf

      The original I hope? Not that Nic Cage bullshit.

      • Calypso_1

        Much has been said of the strumpets of yore
        Of wenches and bawdy house queens by the score
        But I sing of the baggage that we all adore,
        The Landlord’s Daughter

        You’ll never love another
        Although she’s not the kind of girl
        To take home to your mother
        The Landlord’s Daughter

        Her ale it is lively and strong to the taste
        It is brewed with discretion and never with haste
        You can have all you like If you swear not to waste
        The Landlord’s Daughter

        And, when her name is mentioned
        The parts of every gentleman
        Do stand up at attention
        The Landlord’s Daughter

        Oh, nothing can delight so
        As does the part that lies between
        Her left toe
        And her right toe
        The Landlord’s Daughter!

  • Anonymous

    I’ve got to go watch The Wicker Man to feel clean again.

  • Soo Ma Tai

    We do realize Halloween is a Christian holiday right, right? Go look it up yo.

    • Anarchy Pony

      Halloween is a holiday that comes from an amalgamation of different sources.

      • JohnSeaver

        much like christmas.

    • SF2K01

      Halloween as it’s celebrated is primarily a Christian holiday created by the Catholic Church to alter the preexisting holiday from a pagan one to a non-pagan one, much like with Christmas and Easter..

    • quartz99

      Thanks, beat me to it. The holiday here is actually All Saints Day, aka All Hallows aka Hallowmas, which is today, Nov. 1. Halloween is the night before All Hallows, hence Hallows Even’. (like Christmas and Christmas Eve)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints

      Methinks this guy failed his church history classes.

  • Soo Ma Tai

    We do realize Halloween is a Christian holiday right, right? Go look it up yo.

  • GV

    You think it’s unrelated but in reality that song is what the people who listen to this holiday have playing right now

  • Anonymous

    perhaps the halloween edition bible can have all the passages that talk about child and animal sacrifice and the crucifixion printed in red. 

  • Anti-Citizen1

    Halloween is a holiday that comes from an amalgamation of different sources.

  • electramummy

    Dude should reconsider hanging a cross around his neck if he cares so much about leaving out the gruesome.

    • Monkey See Monkey Do

      Good point! A naked guy up on the cross bleeding from every orifice. Pinned to the cross with nails in his hands and feet & a crown of thorns jammed onto his skull. And statues and pictures of that hanging around christian churches worldwide.  

      More gruesome than most halloween costumes I saw this year. Actually, this gives me an idea for my halloween costume next year!

  • electramummy

    Dude should reconsider hanging a cross around his neck if he cares so much about leaving out the gruesome.

  • electramummy

    Dude should reconsider hanging a cross around his neck if he cares so much about leaving out the gruesome.

  • Anonymous

    a surprising number of cdns believe in this sort of protestantism…

    obvious that the pastor is from calgary. alberta is ‘our’ texas.

  • Anonymous

    i agree that x-mas has permeated mass culture to an offensive degree; however don’t you think “every[one] celebrates xmas,and most are not even religious” is deeply problematic in and of itself? I think they are actually celebrating the commerical holiday of x-mas- which is part of the church of bank and retail. I think the ‘celebration’ of x-mas is deeply hypocritical on multiple levels.

  • Anonymous

    yes! and all the parts where women are raped and/or subjugated by men (for the will of god of course) can have an audio part read by Rush Limbaugh.

  • Anonymous

    Halloween as it’s celebrated is primarily a Christian holiday created by the Catholic Church to alter the preexisting holiday from a pagan one to a non-pagan one, much like with Christmas and Easter..

  • Anti-Crowley

    Not a problem Spam, I think he can make that one happen.

  • Anti-Crowley

    Jealousy is a bad cologne.

  • Anti-Crowley

    Yes, nothing is more relevant to Christianity today than our problem with burning Heretics.   You really wanna be tough and display some intellectual courage, rail against Islam which is burning apostates daily.  But of course your parents weren’t Muslim, probably Christian which is the reason for that naughty rebellious attitude isn’t it?  So I guess you have a problem with sex and pornography?  You sound religious!…pathetic.

  • StillAtMyMoms

    I’m offended.  This day is an euphemism.

  • Anonymous

    I’m offended.  This day is an euphemism.

  • DeepCough

    That’s funny considering that Easter and Christmas were co-opted from pagan festivals on the same date, once upon a time.

  • Anonymous

    to echo Deep-

    the stench of hypocrisy, bloody conquest, cultural assimilation and childish antics (such as is noted in the article) is a fragrance far worse than “Jealousy”

  • NarwhalNecropsy

    Holy crap, this is one of the first local storys I’ve seen on Disinfo. I read this in the newspaper a few days ago. I burst out laughing in the local Mr. Sub and everyone weas staring at me.

  • NarwhalNecropsy

    Holy crap, this is one of the first local storys I’ve seen on Disinfo. I read this in the newspaper a few days ago. I burst out laughing in the local Mr. Sub and everyone weas staring at me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chinagreenelvis Eric Vinyard

    Happy Jesus Penis.
    I mean Ween.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chinagreenelvis Eric Vinyard

    Happy Jesus Penis.
    I mean Ween.

  • apostle

    What pathetic is: believing in a book written by primitive iron age sheep herders. Then trying to cram your insanity down the throat of anybody gullible enough to listen to you, including impressionable children (Child Abuse). Not to mention that if given enough rope you and your kind would hang or imprison anybody who threatens your idea of what society should be. Yeah, that’s pretty pathetic.

  • E.B. Wolf

    Islam isn’t trying to fuck with Halloween. 

  • E.B. Wolf

    You mean Eostre and Saturnalia?

  • E.B. Wolf

    The original I hope? Not that Nic Cage bullshit.

  • Stumage

    AAAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • Stumage

    AAAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • Mr Willow

    Or Beltaine and Yule?

  • Liquidstar

    “Weeners for Jesus.” Really?  Really? Freudian slips are subtle compared to this.

  • Liquidstar

    “Weeners for Jesus.” Really?  Really? Freudian slips are subtle compared to this.

  • Anonymous

    Much has been said of the strumpets of yoreOf wenches and bawdy house queens by the scoreBut I sing of the baggage that we all adore,The Landlord’s DaughterYou’ll never love anotherAlthough she’s not the kind of girlTo take home to your motherThe Landlord’s DaughterHer ale it is lively and strong to the tasteIt is brewed with discretion and never with hasteYou can have all you like If you swear not to wasteThe Landlord’s DaughterAnd, when her name is mentionedThe parts of every gentlemanDo stand up at attentionThe Landlord’s Daughter
    Oh, nothing can delight soAs does the part that lies betweenHer left toeAnd her right toeThe Landlord’s Daughter

  • Anonymous

    You know when I feel tough?  When a laser guided 2000 pounder is bringing some Jehovified shock and awe to them haji’s!  Yeah Hot Damn!  Turn or Burn! Be Sanctified or French Fried! – Add that to your daily crispy count!  

  • Anonymous

    God will smite you heathen?

  • Anonymous

    Well, if a family all wearing pastels turned up at my house I’d be terrified.

  • dumbsaint

    Well, if a family all wearing pastels turned up at my house I’d be terrified.

  • Monkey See Monkey Do

    Good point! A naked guy up on the cross bleeding from every orifice. Pinned to the cross with nails in his hands and feet & a crown of thorns jammed onto his skull. And statues and pictures of that hanging around christian churches worldwide.  

    More gruesome than most halloween costumes I saw this year. Actually, this gives me an idea for my halloween costume next year!

  • E.B. Wolf

    Those work too.

  • E.B. Wolf

    Those work too.

  • Anti-Crowley

    That they were…your point?

  • Anti-crowley

    Yes ninja, you tend to do a lot of echoing I have noticed.

  • Anti-Crowley

    I get all of you weirdo’s confused, which God is yours again?  Was yours Dawkins?

  • Anti-Crowley

    I get all of you weirdo’s confused, which God is yours again?  Was yours Dawkins?

  • Anti-Crowley

    I get all of you weirdo’s confused, which God is yours again?  Was yours Dawkins?

  • Anti-Crowley

    I get all of you weirdo’s confused, which God is yours again?  Was yours Dawkins?

  • Anti-Crowley

    I get all of you weirdo’s confused, which God is yours again?  Was yours Dawkins?

  • Anti-Crowley

    I wish those sheep herders were smart enough to realize they came from nothing a zillion years ago as evidenced by the invisible fossil record to support it.  Your confirmation bias in the last sentence appears strangely to be you assigning your tendencies to generalize a large group of people.  Maybe if you can impose more anger into your replies it will make you right…still pathetic.

  • Anti-crowley

    Poor Middle Eastern extremists, just more victims in this Conspiratorial Christian run world.  Perhaps if they were to invite you to the United Nations to explain things it would bring an end to war.  I can put you in contact with someone who can make it happen, just give me the directions to your parents basement and they will come and pick you up.

  • Anti-Crowley

    No, they already decapitated all who practice anything of the sort in any countries they have control of…good point wolf!

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure he’s glad someone came to pick him up from his parent’s basement.

  • E.B. Wolf

    Since I don’t live in any of those countries, I could care less what they do there.

  • JohnSeaver

    much like christmas.

  • Anonymous

    We don’t all celebrate Christmas. In fact, no one I know personally out here does except one guy who has to go visit his parents or they guilt him. Everyone else either celebrates Yule (which is similar to Christmas since that’s where most Christmas traditions came from, granted) or Channukah or they don’t celebrate anything until New Years.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks, beat me to it. The holiday here is actually All Saints Day, aka All Hallows aka Hallowmas, which is today, Nov. 1. Halloween is the night before All Hallows, hence Hallows Even’. (like Christmas and Christmas Eve)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints

    Methinks this guy failed his church history classes.

  • justagirl

    the bible makes for some scary halloween reading.  but, i prefer houses that pass out beers.  some are cool like that.

  • justagirl

    the bible makes for some scary halloween reading.  but, i prefer houses that pass out beers.  some are cool like that.

  • Lsmersch

    Teaching this tripe to children is the equivalent of child abuse.  Religion, under any name, is mind control.  The churches in my area have stopped Halloween long ago, making into another opportunity to convert innocent children into their guilt motivated cult.  It all starts at home, teach your children that their are no magical beings monitoring their every move.  No one wanting to damn them to a horrific place for lying about their report card or any other infraction they may/will make.  Fear is not a motivator, fear is used to control people and no amount of sugar coating, jesus ween is going to change that fact.

  • Lsmersch

    Teaching this tripe to children is the equivalent of child abuse.  Religion, under any name, is mind control.  The churches in my area have stopped Halloween long ago, making into another opportunity to convert innocent children into their guilt motivated cult.  It all starts at home, teach your children that their are no magical beings monitoring their every move.  No one wanting to damn them to a horrific place for lying about their report card or any other infraction they may/will make.  Fear is not a motivator, fear is used to control people and no amount of sugar coating, jesus ween is going to change that fact.

  • DeepCough

    ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER, CAN YOU READ IT?!

  • Anonymous

    If i agree with one’s opinion, it is my every right to endorse it. i neither see that as problematic or dishonest.

    i can dialectically reason my preferances and ideas to discern for myself why i believe something.

    and aside from agreeing with regular posters, what would you suggest is the proportionality of my posts with my opinions to those agreeing outrightly with others?

  • Anonymous

    Aside from your engagement in explicit racist, colonialist, orientalist rhetoric in above comment; how does it feel to defend something as entirely ridiculous as ‘Jesus-ween,’ how is relevant to a global multi-faith (and no faith) world, and why would modern x’tians accept this as a viable replacement for the offending holiday?

  • Anonymous

    you, whose name is ‘anti-crowley,’  should not deride other’s pseudonyms until your own is improved upon.

    and criticism of ANY institution should be free and open, and does not denote that one is an atheist, pagan, or heretic. In fact, xtianity would be MUCH healthier today, if it promoted discussion, dissent and dialectical reasoning of practices (rather than simply ideologies) within in it’s own clergy and membership.

  • Dunzain

    Heavenoween.. Har har…

  • Dunzain

    Heavenoween.. Har har…

  • Anonymous

    Ahh, I think you take a bit too much amusement from those you believe to be ready for the fire.

    Condemnation and judgement is very unbecoming, even in jest….

    …….lest ye be judged -silly man.

    Smooooooch!

  • Anonymous

    I thought there was supposed to be only one God…..wierdo. Get your story straight….

  • ZombieSlapper

    This is why I hate Christians.

  • ZombieSlapper

    This is why I hate Christians.

    • anti-crowley

      I would have thought your hate was based on something a little more meaningful than some Pastor handing out Bibles, guess it doesn’t take much with you.

  • Krista Olivera

    Hm. I remember learning in my youth group that true ‘ghosts’ Don’t exist, only demons are supposed to.
    In fact, a real Christian will say none of these things exist, that it’s only demons tricking you… Or something or other. .__.
    Just ignore me & let my thinking continue.

  • Krista Olivera

    Hm. I remember learning in my youth group that true ‘ghosts’ Don’t exist, only demons are supposed to.
    In fact, a real Christian will say none of these things exist, that it’s only demons tricking you… Or something or other. .__.
    Just ignore me & let my thinking continue.

  • Anonymous

    And you do a lot of pointless trolling. 

  • Anti-Crowley

    So a PASTOR decides to hand out Bibles on Halloween, big surprise.  What I find ridiculous is the fact that such a local and overall insignificant event made it on this website.  What is even more ridiculous is the denial by some regulars here that there is no racism or stereotyping targeted at the whole of Christianity on Disinfo.  I watch anti-Christian after anti-Christian gang up on anyone who hints at the fact that they are of the Christian faith.  I understand ganging up on me, I ask for it.  But there are plenty of well meaning non-provocative Christians who post on here and are swarmed by the “open minded” people here, of which you are one. 

  • Jim

    Weenie! Weeny weeny weeny!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocUWxaouMvs

  • Jim

    Weenie! Weeny weeny weeny!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocUWxaouMvs

  • Mulderoe

    yup.

  • Anonymous

    There is a big difference between anti-christian sentiments and those that are against christ.  Perhaps you garner so much derision here because you display so few christ-like qualities; which when it comes down to it is the distinction that others are able to see so clearly between religionists and the true elements of their professed faiths. 

  • anti-crowley

    Jesting…?

  • anti-crowley

    which it does, which causes differences in the details of certain things.  This causes some to separate themselves into another denomination but maintains the fundamental belief that makes one a Christian.  Then people like you attack them for having different opinions and interpretations.  Its almost as if you would find a problem with the Christians no matter what, but of course that could not be the case.

  • anti-crowley

    I that what you thought?  Well, you are correct.  We are straight now.

  • anti-crowley

    Good approach, forget the goings-on of the rest of the world, it doesn’t effect us.  Meanwhile, lets worry about some random Pastor who handed out Bibles on Halloween, I’m sure that directly effected your life.  I predict that what ever your response is will be liked by Jin TheNinja.

  • anti-crowley

    I’ve seen something like that before, oh yea, every time the insurgents in Iraq blew up an IED there were dozens of kids like this, same with the Taliban in Afghanistan.  I will refrain from posting any of the beheading videos on here, but would like to bring them to mind.  Mind explaining how that kid was injured?  I figured you would know since you posted the picture.

  • anti-crowley

    I’ve seen something like that before, oh yea, every time the insurgents in Iraq blew up an IED there were dozens of kids like this, same with the Taliban in Afghanistan.  I will refrain from posting any of the beheading videos on here, but would like to bring them to mind.  Mind explaining how that kid was injured?  I figured you would know since you posted the picture.

  • anti-crowley

    Oh, let me clarify what I meant, I got your point but it was stupid…hope that helps.

  • anti-crowley

    Wow, you spent a lot of time thinking about that response.  Well put, but what I was saying was not that you should disagree with others you happen to agree with, just that you should come up with some original statements more often.  You know, instead of just “liking” everyone’s posts and then restating their points…that’s all.

  • anti-crowley

    I would have thought your hate was based on something a little more meaningful than some Pastor handing out Bibles, guess it doesn’t take much with you.

  • E.B. Wolf

    Well, a bible-thumper did hand me some stupid card with christian nonsense on it instead of candy when I used to actually go trick-or-treating. So yea, it did affect my life…and his when we all egged his house and car in retaliation.

  • Anonymous

    I think, that as a matter of course, it is such that we all must face ourselves eventually….in so doing the jester removes his make up and speaks with the tongues of angels.

  • Anonymous

    I’m much calmer now…

  • E.B. Wolf

    Your little “A Christian” alter-ego experiment disproves that, as most regulars here were quite civil and interested in polite discussion,myself included. http://disinfo.com/2011/10/the-bible-tells-me-so-video/#disqus_thread
    Try again.

  • Simon_manser

    this is fucking blasphemy

  • Simon_manser

    this is fucking blasphemy

  • anti-crowley

    I will say in that case you were one of about two or three.  But you neglect the fact that all of these articles are very obviously initiating a discussion against Christianity.  Before a Christian can even post on it the discussion has begun with ridicule and satire: http://disinfo.com/2011/10/god-is-part-of-the-1-percent/

    I also noted that when the attacks started, non of you commented against him…there was a silent approval from all of you.  In fact, the only real concern seemed to be that he might “vindicate” me.  Thanks for bringing that article back up.

  • anti-crowley

    Based on those who enjoy your support with coming to their defense and with ‘likes” I wonder why it is that you picked the Christian to accuse of being over the top.  Maybe you could look up some previous articles from Spam an note his approach to things, especially on Christianity.  Condemnation and judgment come from God, and all fall into it.  Why do you ignore the condemnation and judgment of all who oppose Christianity on here?

  • Anonymous

    You are here to teach us patience. 

    I don’t really care what Spam thinks particularly either way.  If he happens to say something I find interesting or funny, that’s all well and fine. 

    Perhaps there are many that don’t make the distinction between the value of christian myth and philosophy and the awful things that are done in the name of a religion or God, nearly any religion could be sited as culpable in some way. 

    “all who oppose Christianity”? 
    Their are few if any clear lines between extremes when broaching such subjects. I’m sorry to say, but you seem to operate on the fringe with your old time zealotry. If you are a good Christian soldier you should not be troubled by my silly opinion. Have faith sir and let no man make you waver from your devotion.

    Despite what you may think, it’s what we’re all trying to do, each in our own way…

  • Anonymous

    Oh, and it’s also because your’e the bunny at the dog track. The deer amid the wolf pack. The stalled car on the train track. Get it?

    You wandered out onto the mortar range and now you wonder why the shells are falling…Help!

  • anti-crowley

    Cute analogy, let me see if I can interpret it properly;  Oh, and it’s because you are the one who believes what we all hate, the Christian amongst those who hate Christians.  

    Funny how you all are so open about how much hatred you have for Christians with broad sweeping labels and stereotypes, but when I call it what it is you all suddenly attempt to deny that you are doing so.  It always comes back to “Those horrible, evil, gullible Christians who are also behind some deep conspiracy that has got the world in its death grip.”  I love how you fancy yourself the dog, wolf, train or mortar shell and the Christian as the target, I thought your whole argument was that it was the other way around, take some time and get your story straight.

  • anti-crowley

    “sorry to say, but you seem to operate on the fringe with your old time zealotry.”

    That is because God is not new age.  God is very old, and very zealous.  Big “T” truth is very exclusive, it is either true or not true in matters pertaining to it.  That does not fit the new age desire for everyone to do as they please and squash any belief that says they might possibly be doing something wrong.  I would find any views on God that have his morality conveniently changing with the whims of society suspect.

    I think you have perhaps over exaggerated how much you’re opinion troubles me.  BTW not just religions are culpable in wrong doing, virtually every people, nation in all of history have done awful things in all of the different world views.  Maybe someone will wake up some day and realize that the problem is mankind…maybe, just maybe we are sinful as a race.

  • anti-crowley

    Wow, my heart goes out to you for having to deal with such atrocities committed upon you by some radical Christian.  I am glad to see you rose above him and his ridiculous attacks with some good old fashion egging.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, you really can whip yourself into a tizzy can’t you? I’m sorry you don’t get it. I’m weary of wordy explanations that are only misinterpreted, so continue your rant into eternity for all I care. 

    You seem capable of creating your own odd version of reality just fine without outside help, so why blabber with the heathens? (sigh)

  • Anonymous

    Your cries of faith are no more than the echoes of your own anosognosia.
    There is mercy in the pain of awakening and an infinitude of realization that
    smiles upon you with loving kindness.

  • Anonymous

    Your cries of faith are no more than the echoes of your own anosognosia.
    There is mercy in the pain of awakening and an infinitude of realization that
    smiles upon you with loving kindness.

  • Anonymous

    I will grant that I can not attribute the source of this child’s injuries to coalition forces.  Given the tactics employed by anti-coalition forces and unknown actors within the Iraq theater it is very likely that this boy could have sustained his injuries due to IED or mortar fire.  I have in no way implied that I condone the actions of any parties involved but meant to illustrate the impact on children in a war that clearly has religious overtones – despite any protestations to the contrary.     
         Furthermore, I WOULD prefer to use images specifically attributable to coalition “collateral damage” but American armed forces have not been particularly forthcoming in providing such images to the public.
          To clarify the validity of referencing child casualties as caused by coalition forces I will site to you the only peer reviewed study on the topic “Comparing civilian effects of opposing combatant forces, the total Anti-Coalition Woman and Child DWI of 10 and the total Coalition Woman and Child DWI of 51 suggest that Coalition forces caused a significantly higher proportion of woman and child deaths among its civilian deaths during 2003–2008 than did Anti-Coalition forces (p<0.001).”  Though the study sights mortar fire as having the highest casualty effect on civilians, it shows Coalition air attacks without ground fire had a higher rate of death among women and children then IEDs and nonsuicide vehicle bombs.  http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1000415
    …..oh and the UN estimates that 500,000 Iraqi kids died from starvation due to prewar sanctions.
          As to your thoughts of beheadings I can only ask you compare it to the preferred military version of a .50 cal cranial evacuation – I’ve seen plenty of troops post their trophy vids of these.

    Finally I want to offer you something to think about the next time you see an image of suffering child.

    Jesus loves the little children
    All the children of the world
    Black and yellow, red and white
    They're all precious in His sight
    Jesus loves the little children of the world

  • Anonymous

    I will grant that I can not attribute the source of this child’s injuries to coalition forces.  Given the tactics employed by anti-coalition forces and unknown actors within the Iraq theater it is very likely that this boy could have sustained his injuries due to IED or mortar fire.  I have in no way implied that I condone the actions of any parties involved but meant to illustrate the impact on children in a war that clearly has religious overtones – despite any protestations to the contrary.     
         Furthermore, I WOULD prefer to use images specifically attributable to coalition “collateral damage” but American armed forces have not been particularly forthcoming in providing such images to the public.
          To clarify the validity of referencing child casualties as caused by coalition forces I will site to you the only peer reviewed study on the topic “Comparing civilian effects of opposing combatant forces, the total Anti-Coalition Woman and Child DWI of 10 and the total Coalition Woman and Child DWI of 51 suggest that Coalition forces caused a significantly higher proportion of woman and child deaths among its civilian deaths during 2003–2008 than did Anti-Coalition forces (p<0.001).”  Though the study sights mortar fire as having the highest casualty effect on civilians, it shows Coalition air attacks without ground fire had a higher rate of death among women and children then IEDs and nonsuicide vehicle bombs.  http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1000415
    …..oh and the UN estimates that 500,000 Iraqi kids died from starvation due to prewar sanctions.
          As to your thoughts of beheadings I can only ask you compare it to the preferred military version of a .50 cal cranial evacuation – I’ve seen plenty of troops post their trophy vids of these.

    Finally I want to offer you something to think about the next time you see an image of suffering child.

    Jesus loves the little children
    All the children of the world
    Black and yellow, red and white
    They're all precious in His sight
    Jesus loves the little children of the world

  • Anonymous

    You only understand things that are true or not true.  That’s ok.  We understand that your soul longs for that which is both true and untrue and that which is neither truth nor untruth and that which is the otherway in reverse.  Otherwise you would not come to us.  We will be patient and care for you in this time of struggle.

  • Monkey See Monkey Do

    HAHAHA! Your a classic Anti-Crowley.
    Even though i disagree with just about everything you say on this site you are exactly what this site needs. Your someone to ruffle feathers. Your someone to spout ignorance and get people thinking more seriously about how to challenge that ignorance. You come along and take a big shit in the middle of the circle jerk.

    I do question whether your just a set-up to get people too respond. Nevertheless your great because you incite people to give some amazingly succinct responses, and you force people to be patient with Christian ignorance.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OBVTUO4WUABRKCNFUTXVSNMVGA Cat

    They should rename this “White-Upper-Middle-Class-Overly-Zealous-Religious-Whoring”-ween. Seriously, Halloween is like Christmas. Whether people decide to put religious or pagan stock in this is up to them. Can’t a holiday just exist because people want it to? What’s wrong in a little fun and time with friends and family? Whether it’s for the cause of Christ or an animal spirit is pretty inconsequential.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OBVTUO4WUABRKCNFUTXVSNMVGA Cat

    They should rename this “White-Upper-Middle-Class-Overly-Zealous-Religious-Whoring”-ween. Seriously, Halloween is like Christmas. Whether people decide to put religious or pagan stock in this is up to them. Can’t a holiday just exist because people want it to? What’s wrong in a little fun and time with friends and family? Whether it’s for the cause of Christ or an animal spirit is pretty inconsequential.

  • anti-crowley

    Unknown perpetrators caused 74% of deaths

    Its in the very first paragraph of  your article. 

    So sanctions should not be used, then military should not be used.  What’s left to deter genocidal rogue state actors?  I love how simple the world is to you.  You like to complain about all of this, but I notice you never have a real solution.  Just some hippie, pampered, entitled American that forgets why they have a desktop PC, laptop, Iphone and digital cable.  You arguments lack any real substance and they seem to be clutching at strings.  Its as if as long as you put any response..”that’ll do!”  

    So Saddam takes no responsiblity for either the sanctions or the starvation?  Funny, because when we first got there, all the aid and supplies that had been brought into the country were being used as weapons by the republican guard.  Even more devastating to your ignorant claims were the hundreds of millions of dollars Saddam was pouring into his military instead of his people.

    The big difference between cutting the head off of an innocent NGO worker or reporter who is tied up and shooting an armed insurgent in the head with a .50 cal?  Oh, I dunno maybe we can refer to the law of land-warfare, Geneva convention or Hague act for an answer you tool! 

    Next time you see a picture of a suffering child, maybe you can think…who is responsible and how can I stop them…rather than, How can I used this horrible photo to try to win an argument on a website.  Your fraudulent attempt at sincerity failed miserably.

  • E.B. Wolf

    Thank you. It was the most appropriate response our heathen ten-year-old brains could come up with and seemed entirely in the spirit of the holiday.

  • anti-crowley

    Wow, sidestep!  That’s cool Calypso, but I am still waiting for the Doktor to respond.  Thanks for being there for me.

  • anti-crowley

    Great, now we’ve got Calypso claiming that Christians believe as they do because of brain injuries.  I’m sure your correct, all Christians have either suffered from a stroke, brain trauma or Alzheimer’s.  That is a pretty specific term that you used, I don’t know where you heard it but you failed to fully understand what it means. 

  • anti-crowley

    The Doktor is weary of wordy explanations?  Somehow I don’t think so.  I have a gut feeling that we will see wordy explanations from you in spades in the future.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right you don’t where I learned that term, but have had the opportunity to use it in charting several patients’ psychiatric symptoms. As to what it means – I think you need to spend a few more hours in a medschool library before I’ll continue discussing the specifics with you. As to what Christian’s believe, I was not referring to any group – I was referring to you. You are experiencing delusions of reference but you don’t know this because of aforementioned term. Please reply back – you obviously need an outlet for your persecution complex.

  • Anonymous

    Yes 74% of civilian death by unknown perpetrators refers to TOTAL statistics including male executions.  This was primarily from the period of secretarian death squads.  I was referring to the analysis as specifically done on deaths of woman and children.  I won’t even take the time to go into US involvement with ‘unknown perpetrators’ Let’s just say Negroponte had a beautiful track record for such achievements elsewhere. 
     
    Once again I want to say this very clearly – I have in no way implied that I condone the actions of any parties involved.  I have not said that I think horrible people shouldn’t be stopped.  I haven’t talked about solutions because frankly a ‘discussion’ with you just doesn’t get that far. 
     
    I see suffering children frequently and I do everything my abilities allow to heal them and change their life circumstance.
     
    They biggest thing you have missed in what I have tried to say to you is that despite your constant statements about Christians, Christians, Christians – nothing Christ-like ever comes from you.  Nothing, not once, have I seen a semblance of the beatitudes or love, compassion or forgiveness in your statements.  I know we are all at different points in our spiritual development but I have to tell you for one professing to be a Christian you seem to have much more in common with the Pharisees.  I actually prayed for you last night – I hope you find some peace that passes your understanding.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not actually, it’s referring to the processes of christian imperialism and dominionism that co-opted pagan holidays in order to gain support for the Holy Roman Empire. I think if you look at the history of the church it’s very obvious that the institution of christianity was only interested in power (and money), and not in disseminating the ideology of the christ figure.

  • Anonymous

    i “like” posts i happen to agree with, as well as, those that raise my level of awareness (and not nessacerily because i agree with them totally).

    1300 posts, and i’d say only 1/3 of them are responses, the rest are my own initial responses/feelings, and even those that respond to to other people generally include points of contention or expansion of the discussion.

    I appreciate your concern, but it is wholely unwarranted.

  • anti-crowley

    Given that you don’t seem to believe that Christ was actually the Son of God, then you must believe he was either insane or evil to teach people that he was.  Do you recognize that He was crucified for your sins?  Let’s consider when Jesus says “I am the way the Truth and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me.” 

    Maybe do some reading and find exactly what God says is considered righteousness.  Then go back over the beatitudes.  Without Faith in God no righteousness is attributed to man.  Try quoting scriptures about what brings salvation before you try to skip to the parts you love to quote.  Verse mining from the Bible demonstrates nothing to prove your point.  Take a look at Matt 4, taking scripture out of context and applying it to your own devices is an old tactic.

    1 John 4
    Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

  • Anonymous

    I have not stated the nature of my belief nor does my belief compel me to do so in this circumstance because the ground between us is hard and choked with weeds.  From this you cannot derive that I must therefore believe Jesus to be insane or evil.  The verses you choose are as ‘mined’ as any I reference.  We both select those that we wish in order to demonstrate some attribute we deem relevant to the topic at hand.  I chose to reference the teachings of Jesus and you chose to reference the teachings of one of his followers.  As to the ‘I am the Way’ statement I do not have any need to engage your belief about this as I am very familiar with the standard interpretation of this passage.  I wish I could share with you my belief about that passage but I don’t have the power to transform your mind so that you could know it.  You however, seem to feel that when you make a pronouncement it carries behind it the hand of the almighty.  If your words were carried with humility, understanding and love I might indeed see the fruit of the spirit in you.  As nothing about your character demonstrates one seeking discernment and wisdom I have no need to speak further about this. 

  • anti-crowley

    Without first acknowledging who Christ is you cannot discern or have wisdom my friend.  I notice you side stepped any statement that Christ is the Son of God and came in the flesh.

    John 1
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

  • Monkey See Monkey Do

    No response? Have i outed you as a disinfo insider? Maybe i just cant believe your for real because you waste so much damn time on this website trying to convince people about christianity. It seems ludicrous. But then again it doesn’t seem ludicrous if your a disinfo-insider faking it.

  • Anonymous

    Does God have a name? Is he a singular entity or is God simply “All there is”? When we speak of God as being “very old”, what does that really mean? Compared to what? God is “beyond compare” and the master and creator of time anyway, so the concept of time is a moot point, right? “Zealous” -another very human term for very human behavior. So, now we have the nerve to characterize the supreme being with low life human terms? Sounds like blasphemy to me…..

    As I’ve said before, God, the supreme unknown quantity, is also the ultimate name drop. I think I understand now why it used to be a sin to utter the name YWH, Yahweh and/or Jehovah in conversation. It was considered frivolous and covetous of Gods glory…I’m just trying to illustrate the vagueness of the word “God”. Your conception of the meaning is, like all humans, self contained and subjective. Subject to interpretation. You know this to be true. so, it must also follow that religion is generally a farce because it does not reflect a consistent reality within its membership.Each member is his own church and religion no matter what collective label they don -Christian or otherwise. The same goes for “God’s judgement” at death. It’ll be just you (or anybody) and God, right? The Pope or your Parrish priest won’t be standing there with you….

  • anti-crowley

    You premise that nothing in the Bible is revelation from God in many of your statements.  If that premise is true then you would be correct in many of your conclusions.  My question then is, why do you premise there is a God to begin with?  If you believe there is a God it is because God has revealed his existence in one form or another.  The problem is, you take many concepts and terms from the Bible, which is to say that it really is revelation from God, then you throw in your assumptions that contradict what the Bible says.  For example God in the Bible calls himself jealous and zealous concerning his own, which is why God considers worship of anything but him as adultery.  He is also referred to as the Ancient of Days which is what I was playing on when I said he was really old, I think we both know what I meant by that.  You can play semantics all you like, but we communicate with words and if we are to discuss God with language then we must refer to God somehow, which is why Christians normally choose the generic word “God” instead of any of the other titles.  As for names…the Biblical usage of names and what names are is nothing like the contemporary Western usage.  Names in the Bible could be anything related to the individuals persona, traits, character ect. 

    I agree that God is the supreme unknown quantity, what we know of and eternal, all powerful being is but a shadow of a fraction.  God has given us the things we need to know but not all that is to be known about him.  I agree that the term “God” is subjective as it refers to anything given divine qualities and is worshiped as such, even the Bible uses it in this context in a few passages.  That is why the phrase “the one true God” is used.

    If God is real then God is truth.  Nothing of man’s consistency will effect God.  Different Christians may be wrong on different issues, this does not effect the truth that is God as you and I both know.  If there be two conflicting views they cannot both be right, but that in no way means that everything believed about the God of Christendom is nonexistent.  That would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.   I must also make clear that I don’t believe God is religion or vise verse.  I despise religion as much as the next.  Contrary to what many here believe I reject all the traditions that are practiced in religion.  No specific garb, instruments, or chanting, architecture or calendar dates and the like.  I reject the idea of celebrating on certain pagan originated dates or the need to worship on Sunday.  God is a Spirit and must be worshiped in spirit.

    Lastly, I agree that we will all stand before God to be judged one day.  No lawyers or witnesses, no excuses.  We will stand before God and he will demand an answer from us.  We will all lay prostrate before him, all sins exposed and we will acknowledge his existence and authority.  For those who required that he show himself to them before they would believe, they will get that proof…the cost of which will be eternity in separation from him.

  • anti-crowley

    You premise that nothing in the Bible is revelation from God in many of your statements.  If that premise is true then you would be correct in many of your conclusions.  My question then is, why do you premise there is a God to begin with?  If you believe there is a God it is because God has revealed his existence in one form or another.  The problem is, you take many concepts and terms from the Bible, which is to say that it really is revelation from God, then you throw in your assumptions that contradict what the Bible says.  For example God in the Bible calls himself jealous and zealous concerning his own, which is why God considers worship of anything but him as adultery.  He is also referred to as the Ancient of Days which is what I was playing on when I said he was really old, I think we both know what I meant by that.  You can play semantics all you like, but we communicate with words and if we are to discuss God with language then we must refer to God somehow, which is why Christians normally choose the generic word “God” instead of any of the other titles.  As for names…the Biblical usage of names and what names are is nothing like the contemporary Western usage.  Names in the Bible could be anything related to the individuals persona, traits, character ect. 

    I agree that God is the supreme unknown quantity, what we know of and eternal, all powerful being is but a shadow of a fraction.  God has given us the things we need to know but not all that is to be known about him.  I agree that the term “God” is subjective as it refers to anything given divine qualities and is worshiped as such, even the Bible uses it in this context in a few passages.  That is why the phrase “the one true God” is used.

    If God is real then God is truth.  Nothing of man’s consistency will effect God.  Different Christians may be wrong on different issues, this does not effect the truth that is God as you and I both know.  If there be two conflicting views they cannot both be right, but that in no way means that everything believed about the God of Christendom is nonexistent.  That would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.   I must also make clear that I don’t believe God is religion or vise verse.  I despise religion as much as the next.  Contrary to what many here believe I reject all the traditions that are practiced in religion.  No specific garb, instruments, or chanting, architecture or calendar dates and the like.  I reject the idea of celebrating on certain pagan originated dates or the need to worship on Sunday.  God is a Spirit and must be worshiped in spirit.

    Lastly, I agree that we will all stand before God to be judged one day.  No lawyers or witnesses, no excuses.  We will stand before God and he will demand an answer from us.  We will all lay prostrate before him, all sins exposed and we will acknowledge his existence and authority.  For those who required that he show himself to them before they would believe, they will get that proof…the cost of which will be eternity in separation from him.

  • Anonymous

    Racism is not in the least applicable to this discussion. Christianity and Western culture are practically synonymous and christians are neither in the minority nor oppressed in any way. While there is some obvious anti-christian sentiment on the boards, from my perspective most of it is not ‘anti-christian’ but rather anti- evangelical. contemporary evangelical and born-again protestantism have very little in common with historical or esoteric christiainity. I would be remiss in mentioning that the catholic church, arcaic, deeply hierarchichal and corrupt on a vast scale. while more closely ritualised, to ancient christianity, subverts the christ’s teachings to maintain it’s power and hegemony. cite one ‘non provocative’ christian whom has been swarmed? I would say, as a regular poster, militant atheists are often subject to a high level of dispute (from myself among many others), as well as those who believe in christian dominance and try to promote a specific set of teachings as ‘truth.’ Since i am not ‘anti-christian’ (most of my schooling btw was within a jesuit and later benedictine private school)
    as i have deep vested interests in gnosticism(s), manicheanism, jesuit social justice, christian anarchism and liberation theology- the reason you may feel targeted solely rests on the tone and themes of your posts- which are unreasonable and often ahistorical in large measure.

  • Anonymous

    I find nothing problematic about people who read the entire canonical and non canonical works of isrealite religion and decide to derive a moral and religious philosophy from that- I do, however, have a problem with corrupt institutions masquerading as legitimate ‘religious’ and spiritual representatives of god(s). that pertains to any religion in the modern sense of the word. I also have a problem with people who feign victimisation (in complete contrast to modern history) and have a tendency towards disrespect and ignorance of even the slightest oecumenism (including that towards other religions)and whose views border on christian dominionism.

  • Anonymous

    I find nothing problematic about people who read the entire canonical and non canonical works of isrealite religion and decide to derive a moral and religious philosophy from that- I do, however, have a problem with corrupt institutions masquerading as legitimate ‘religious’ and spiritual representatives of god(s). that pertains to any religion in the modern sense of the word. I also have a problem with people who feign victimisation (in complete contrast to modern history) and have a tendency towards disrespect and ignorance of even the slightest oecumenism (including that towards other religions)and whose views border on christian dominionism.

  • http://www.gunnook.com Cbirdsell

    gotta love people with religion just dont drink the kool-aide 

  • http://www.gunnook.com Cbirdsell

    gotta love people with religion just dont drink the kool-aide 

  • Anonymous

    Must be a real son of a gun to trick or treat with your hands nailed to a cross

  • spikedawg71

    Must be a real son of a gun to trick or treat with your hands nailed to a cross

  • Anonymous

    He’s gonna have some TP in his trees, burning bags of doggie doo on his front porch, and who knows what else!  What kid wants a bible? Halloween and Thanksgimmie are the only 2 non-christian holidays we have in this country, and there are enough athiests here to deserve them.  Tell this tool that there are enough Jesus days in the calender.

  • howiebledsoe

    He’s gonna have some TP in his trees, burning bags of doggie doo on his front porch, and who knows what else!  What kid wants a bible? Halloween and Thanksgimmie are the only 2 non-christian holidays we have in this country, and there are enough athiests here to deserve them.  Tell this tool that there are enough Jesus days in the calender.

  • Anonymous

    I think that if the Bible is revelation from God, then everything ever written is also revelation. The bible is a collection of old stories, prose and poetry essentially. Stories much like the stories of any era -full of philosophy, magic, gods, intrigue, romance, morality and immorality -many of epic proportion detailing the human condition. Also, stories written that preceded the Bible are probably much like those in the bible. 

    Wisdom can be found in all stories -even “evil” ones of murder, rape and other mayhem and debauchery. There are plenty of those kinds of stories in the bible. It is rife with them. Subjects that might get an NC-17 or X rating at the theater.  They are “morality plays” -I think that is the phrase for it… The bible was written by men, so that makes it suspect straight out as being purely the word of God, unless of course all written words are Gods words. Which actually seems to make some sense considering man has been writing stories fit for a bible since the beginning of time. ” If God is real then God is truth. ”

    Personally, my god is Truth. So, if  God is truth, I guess we believe in the same god. Fancy that. 

  • Anonymous

    I think that if the Bible is revelation from God, then everything ever written is also revelation. The bible is a collection of old stories, prose and poetry essentially. Stories much like the stories of any era -full of philosophy, magic, gods, intrigue, romance, morality and immorality -many of epic proportion detailing the human condition. Also, stories written that preceded the Bible are probably much like those in the bible. 

    Wisdom can be found in all stories -even “evil” ones of murder, rape and other mayhem and debauchery. There are plenty of those kinds of stories in the bible. It is rife with them. Subjects that might get an NC-17 or X rating at the theater.  They are “morality plays” -I think that is the phrase for it… The bible was written by men, so that makes it suspect straight out as being purely the word of God, unless of course all written words are Gods words. Which actually seems to make some sense considering man has been writing stories fit for a bible since the beginning of time. ” If God is real then God is truth. ”

    Personally, my god is Truth. So, if  God is truth, I guess we believe in the same god. Fancy that. 

  • Big T

    Doktor I have no doubt you know your way around a Bible.  However, I will have to remind you of the scholarly and historical magnificence of the KJV that anyone who has studied the English language’s history will admit was deeply influenced by this work…inspired or not.  The radical proposals of the Gospels on human equality ect. rate a respected nod from all who have enjoyed the fruits, Theist and Atheist.  Then there is prophecy fulfillment that has caused not but a few historians to scramble for excuses and settle on weak rebuttles of coincidence, self fulfillment hyperinflation and the like.  Its the #1 seller for a reason.

    I feel I need to ask, do you expect God to write it all down himself without using man?  If so, would you believe the Christians if they claimed that God wrote it himself?  I think not.  Rhetorical question, but what would it take for you to believe that a particular book was special revelation from God?  Just want to make sure there is a standard and not just personal incredulity involved here.

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