Jesus Antichrist: Does Joel’s Army Actually Worship Satan?

A central theme in Christian eschatology is the rise of the Antichrist. This Antichrist is supposed to trick millions (even billions) into worshiping him and, according to many on the Christian right, establish a one world government.

What better disguise for the ultimate false messiah to deceive the world than Jesus?

As I posted earlier, the Dominionist Joel’s Army movement believes less in feeding the poor and visiting those in prison like the Biblical Jesus taught than in slaughtering unbelievers and taking over all the countries of the world militarily and politically.  The following video examines, from a more traditional Christian perspective, the possibility that Joel’s Army and the Dominionist movement are in fact the forces of the Antichrist, that the spirits that fill them are demons, and that the god they worship is actually Satan in disguise.

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  • Redacted

    Satan hijacked Christianity around the time of the Crusades. How this happened, I’m not sure, but I blame violent video games.

    • Nuggett

      Don’t forget teh pron!  

      • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

        and teh weed

        • Redacted

          Of course. Marijuana is the root of all evil.

          • E.B. Wolf

            Sweet, dank, sticky evil.

  • Anonymous

    Satan hijacked Christianity around the time of the Crusades. How this happened, I’m not sure, but I blame violent video games.

  • I_abide

    When do we get to start the last battle and take these guys out?

  • Anonymous

    When do we get to start the last battle and take these guys out?

  • Anarchy Pony

    I suppose if you were to accept the assumption that the Christian worldview is the genuine truth, it might make sense that the dominionists really are the forces of the antichrist. The dominionists do seek to bring about the end of days, and by becoming a vanguard for the antichrist they would actually be doing it. But how would their God look on such a thing? Would these people be condemned or would they be saved?

     At the end of it all, are satan and the antichrist anything more than tools of the Christian God to enact His will? And in aiding the antichrist would you truly be subverting the will of God? It is after all, part of His supposed plan. Satan after all could not win the final battle, it is an impossibility. If a mortal could understand this, would satan not be able to understand it as well? If so, why would he even bother carrying out such plans unless it was not actually part of his will? It would mean satan has no will of his own. Which would mean that there is no true duality, no genuine struggle between good and evil. It would all be an “artificial” imposition.

    • HappyPlace

      Please keep going with this, I am intrigued.

      • Anarchy Pony

        Well what more is there really to say about it?

        • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

          Well, Maybe satan doesn’t believe in the bible like genuine christians do, so he thinks evil can win. or something or other. Maybe he sees that things are bad and doesn’t see how his “evil” plans could fail. All random speculation of course

          • Anarchy Pony

            If he was capable of truly independent thought that any actual force that could in any way rival God could have, he could make the same realization that I have made(that the outcome of the battle is predestined), if not then he could not be a true threat or equally opposing force that would create a dualistic struggle. He would be little more than some kind of proxy, if that is true then “evil” Would not be an equal opposing force to good. My point is that the “struggle” between good and evil in reality, is only a farce.
            Now this would mean that people that would be tempted to be evil, or really simply to not accept the faith of Christianity would be condemned FOREVER, for no reason.

             A soveriegn human soul that has no say as to whether it is brought into existence, and no say as to what the established morality of that existence is, must accept that morality at the threat of eternal suffering, ETERNAL SUFFERING. Now obviously things like murder and theft and rape are things that are abominable to say just about everyone, but what about moral issues that are more arbitrary like homosexuality? Christian and other Abrahamic traditions posit that homosexuality is an abominable sin and is immoral to engage in, but really why? And then you look at things like the idea that fossils and other evidence that refutes the Christian creation myth were a purposeful attempt to dissuade the faith of people, so that they could be seperated from the truly faithful. But if it was a delibrate act by God, why would he purposefully attempt to subvert the faith of his own people? Say it was an act of the devil, but as I have essentially established, satan is really just a proxy for god. Why? If there is not a true greater struggle for which God would need faithful soldiers, why would he condemn thinking feeling human souls essentially arbitrarily?

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            Now i’m literally being the devil’s advocate but, as I was saying, even if the christian perspective is right, satan would be of the mindset that it is not (otherwise he’d be on the side of the christian god, right?). He does not believe that the christian god is all powerful as the bible says, and might actually believe that he could win (even if hypothetically he could not). In this sense even if the bible is true etc. satan would still not simply be a proxy.

          • Anarchy Pony

            But why would he think that way? There would almost certainly be something compelling him to do so, no? And the simple (hypothetical)fact of his existence could only be the overall will of God in the first place. He could only exist if God willed it or allowed, and if he refuses to believe that God is omnipotent it would be because God either compelled him to think so, or because he deceived him into believing so. So he would still be a tool of God even if he were unawares. Either way, he could not be an actual equal opposing force. He can only exist if God allows it, meaning that God condones at least his present existence, and hence, he is just a tool of God, or a proxy through which God allows “evil” to exist and to corrupt people.

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            Heh beats me. I don’t really believe any of it (beyond maybe some symbology).

          • Anarchy Pony

             I don’t really believe it either. But I can’t really help but think about these things, it gets shoved at me all the time in my home town. And my Grandpa keeps getting me to look at things philosophically because he thinks I am good at it.

          • Redacted

            Grandfathers tend to point us in the right directions, I think. Skeptic or Religious, once Men hit their golden years they know their shit.

          • Skippy

            really, most old people seem very out of touch and think technology is magic.

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            Those are only the ones that found technology convenient. The REAL old people say “damn it, back in my day, i had to walk to school through the snow uphill both ways etc. etc.”

            Then someone asks how he went uphill both ways, and he shuts up

          • Bainofmaliki

            The problem though mate is you already lost the discussion. You are using logic and reason, exceptionally well I might add, but logic and reason none the less. As I am sure you already know “thinking” is to the christians what the big bad wolfs huffing and puffing was to the third little pigs house of brick, a waist of time and air. Precisely why I don’t argue with the mentally retarded, children or people of “faith”.

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            I enjoy a little paradigm piracy here and there. You get to see where the real complexity lies when you let yourself enter the mindsets of those you might normally disagree with. Of course you gotta be careful or you’ll lose the footing to your own worldview. 

          • Anarchy Pony

            Empathy is important. But may become paralyzing.

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            I’d say more than paralized, worse so you get lost.

          • Redacted

            this reply is small

          • A Christian

            Cognitive dissonance effects everyone.

          • Andrew

             What’s wrong with losing the footing to your own worldview?

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            Thats a complex question. If that happens you get into a situation where you’re void of true belief, doubting anything and maybe even everything. You enter a very suggestive state, where to find new footing, you might become:

            A born again christian
            A conspiracy theorist
            An uneducated atheist
            A disinfonaut
            A hippie
            A bankster
            ….

            The list goes on, but if you can keep yourself from locking into any limiting worldviews different things happen.
            So in other words, its not necessarily a bad thing, but it can be.

          • Anarchy Pony

            What do you mean? I’m not Christian… or retarded. And I wasn’t arguing a pro christian point either.

          • A Christian

             A few things on this.  First off, the fossil record in no way supports Darwinian evolution, hence the new tendency towards the “explosive evolution” to explain the lack of support in transitional fossils.  Bottom line is the adherents to this new brand claim that if they are right, you would not see many transitional fossils.  Their proof is the lack of proof. 

            The reason the God of the Bible considers homosexuality sin is due to the fact that God created man in his image, then created woman out of man to come together and have children.  Those three entities of the family represent the Trinity nature of the God head.  If one accepts Gods law, he necessarily has to accept that we have a purpose and that purpose is belonging to God, not whatever we choose.  We can construct our own purpose, but that purpose would be insignificant in comparison to an almighty entity.  If one rejects the opinion that God has a purpose then that logic does not follow, given of course that God is not real.

            The struggle of good and evil is not a struggle on the part of God, but of man.  We cannot completly reject some level of freewill, by that I mean that it is possible for us to chose one thing or another even if we lean in one direction.  People make the mistake of assuming that we have a right to anything in the eyes of God, if there really is a being of that authority and intelligence and we have offended that being, we deserve nothing good from God.  We usually take an anthropocentric point of view when it comes to what is just and fair.  If we contemplate the issue from the perspective of and almighty sovereign God we see a different conclusion. 

            God wants perfect relationship with perfect love and perfect worship.  This requires the choice to choose to have a relationship, love, worship ect.  In order to have that choice there has to be a “road B” or the choice to disobey (tree of knowledge of good and evil).  That is not enough though, for if one knows “road A”  will be good and “road B” will be bad, there is still no choice about it.  Example, if I give you a gun and say “don’t shoot yourself because you will die” and that “if you don’t shoot yourself you will not die.”  I can hardly take your choice in obedience as due to love or recognition of my authority.  I must therefore leave the only being in existence that will lie and make “road B” appealing (Satan).  Now, you have a real choice.  You have to take God at his word that “road A” is what you should do and that “road B” though fun and therefore appealing is ultimately disobedience.  Satan is allowed to exist in order to make road B appealing enough to have true freewill.  To call this unfair is to take a anthropocentric point of view which is not what God does.  Anyway, just thought you mind as well have the real claims of Christianity before you reject it and call it illogical.  You still have the choice to reject it.

          • Andrew

            The only reason there are “no” transitional fossils is because every time scientists find a fossil they assign it a name.  “Species” are a human concept.  All animals are transitional.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_problem

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            The number of fossils existing and/or found pale in comparison to the number of animals that actually existed. Look up what fossilization means and you’ll understand that fossils are not just bones of dead animals in the ground that have survived through the eons. 

            My guess is, if there are situations where there are so-called ‘missing links’ they historically coincide around catastrophes where we have both a large number of animal deaths (reducing the number that potentially become fossils) and a chaotic flux-state where rapid evolution takes place due to difficult living situations. In this time, more transitions would happen than available fossils, so the ‘missing links’ are more difficult to find (but are commonly still found)

          • Anarchy Pony

            Darwinian evolution is a specific view of evolution, a particular theory of why and how things evolve, there is overwhelming evidence that evolution itself occurs. That of course doesn’t adress the question of why the fossils supporting this viewpoint would exist at all if young earth creation theory is true, which would be because they were deliberately planted or placed by some entity in order to cast doubt on the truth. But then here’s something else, if you somehow believe in intelligent design, at what point did humanity gain a soul? Because apparently animals don’t have souls, even though they are capable of all the same emotions as man, if not the same complexity of thought.

            Your explanation of homosexuality’s sinful origin essentially proves my point, it is arbitrary. God decided that he would make woman and that man and woman are the only valid pairing and simultaneously gave people the potential to not want to do so, for the specific reason of seperating them into some sort of “inferior” pile of souls to be condemned not to just cease to exist but to SUFFER FOREVER. All choices can only exist because your god either wills it to exist or allows it to exist, as an omnipotent creator He would have control over every aspect of existence, the choice to be homosexual and its consequences exist because your god allows it to be so. So by your logic all of existence is basically a factory in which we are products that are all being quality control tested for no reason other than to pointlessly go to an afterlife in which you bask in the (arrogant) magnificence of the being that created you, for ALL ETERNITY. Well god be praised, what a meaningful purpose. I mean sure you can dedicate your life on earth to helping the sick and the poor and protecting the weak, and fighting the greedy and wicked, but of course in the end you must submit to one particular god (out of hundreds of other gods that all seem to be just as real to you, but apparently any good will they may have shown you and any visions regarging them are all of course falsehoods planted in your mind to make you doubt the specific existence of one god) and perform several specific acts while alive in order to not suffer forever in a pit of hellfire. But oh wait! It gets even more confusing, becuase dozens of churches and variations of your faith exist, and according to several, if a person doesn’t pick exactly the right one, once again the result is hell. So in reality the only thing that could give you certainty would be an epiphany directly from god, but here’s another kicker, that would be spoiling the system of choice in which one must choose the right path.

            To hell with all of that. To hell with your god and his covert minion satan.
            Free will can only exist because he allows it, and he put that quality in us, meaning it is a struggle imposed on us. Any imperfections in us are a result of His will, not ours.

            For all I know your god is the king of demons pushing man to destroy the sacred earth with his false faith and proclamations that we are to be fruitful and multiply and subdue the earth, and to convert the unbelievers. because he seeks to feed on death and misery.

             

          • A Christian

            One cannot argue under the premise that the God of Christianity exists and then at their choosing try to sneak in conclusions from the premise that God doesn’t exist.  To take the view that God does not exist will lead to some of the conclusions you mentioned.  If, however, you premise God is real in order to check the logical consistency you find some mistakes in your view.  If God exists such as in the Bible, then right and wrong rest exclusively in God.  We may try to say that something is arbitrary or that something is God’s fault and not our own, but the fact that we have no authority to make such decisions renders them meaningless.  The claim that God is not just in his will for man is also meaningless under the premise that God is real.  If we were all created just to be destroyed in order to glorify God (though that’s not what the Bible concludes) we would not like it, but what we like means nothing.  You seem to try and position God on the level of mankind, giving our sense of entitlement an equal footing with God’s entitlement.  If the entire of creation was an act of God and he is outside of it, then the two cannot be compared in such a manner (God and creation.)

            On evolution, there is no fossil record relating to man’s evolution from anything that cannot be classified as the same species we are today.  A virus mutating is hardly grounds to conclude that we came about based on that process.  If you refer to Chemical evolution or cosmological evolution then there is a whole separate discussion there.  I theorize that if there were a devastating deluge on Earth, we would find many fossils buried under strata, which we do.  Evolution is a theory that has been around for over a century and has not gained any real ground despite the major advancements in science (Darwinian method anyway)  I am not familiar with the brand you seem to believe in as you haven’t laid out a complete explanation for what you theorize.

  • Wanooski

    I suppose if you were to accept the assumption that the Christian worldview is the genuine truth, it might make sense that the dominionists really are the forces of the antichrist. The dominionists do seek to bring about the end of days, and by becoming a vanguard for the antichrist they would actually be doing it. But how would their God look on such a thing? Would these people be condemned or would they be saved?

     At the end of it all, are satan and the antichrist anything more than tools of the Christian God to enact His will? And in aiding the antichrist would you truly be subverting the will of God? It is after all, part of His supposed plan. Satan after all could not win the final battle, it is an impossibility. If a mortal could understand this, would satan not be able to understand it as well? If so, why would he even bother carrying out such plans unless it was not actually part of his will? It would mean satan has no will of his own. Which would mean that there is no true duality, no genuine struggle between good and evil. It would all be an “artificial” imposition.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Tempter… Redeemer… Whatever.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Tempter… Redeemer… Whatever.

  • emperorreagan

    If Rick Perry becomes President of the United States, I will be convinced that the premise of this video is correct and Joel’s Army is really Satan’s army and I should flee to the mountains.

    • Anarchy Pony

      There are some good mountains in oregon. Here by the coast, they have moderately healthy forests(for now, who knows when the beetles will get here…) a plentiful amount of game, and they don’t get super cold in the winter.

  • emperorreagan

    If Rick Perry becomes President of the United States, I will be convinced that the premise of this video is correct and Joel’s Army is really Satan’s army and I should flee to the mountains.

  • Nuggett

    Don’t forget teh pron!  

  • Terrestrial

    OR…. They could ALL be mentally retarded. 

     

  • Terrestrial

    OR…. They could ALL be mentally retarded. 

     

  • HappyPlace

    Please keep going with this, I am intrigued.

  • Wanooski

    Well what more is there really to say about it?

  • Just John

    Horrible presentation.  The music is ridiculous and overwrought, too similar to the brainwashing tools employed by the freaks who are the subject of this video.  Reading the on-screen quotes becomes tiresome, and who the fuck is Joel?  I know he’s an Old Testament prophet, but at first I thought this was about Joel Osteen’s flock of idiots.  Who is the guy speaking in Russian?  Why are we watching someone speak in Russian?  The subject matter is very interesting to me, but some context is needed for people who don’t follow the idiocy of organized religion very closely.  These asshole evangelists can at least put on a show that appeals to their audience, put some gloss on this picture show and you might really be able to make people realize how dangerous this religion bullshit is  Aim high!

  • Just John

    Horrible presentation.  The music is ridiculous and overwrought, too similar to the brainwashing tools employed by the freaks who are the subject of this video.  Reading the on-screen quotes becomes tiresome, and who the fuck is Joel?  I know he’s an Old Testament prophet, but at first I thought this was about Joel Osteen’s flock of idiots.  Who is the guy speaking in Russian?  Why are we watching someone speak in Russian?  The subject matter is very interesting to me, but some context is needed for people who don’t follow the idiocy of organized religion very closely.  These asshole evangelists can at least put on a show that appeals to their audience, put some gloss on this picture show and you might really be able to make people realize how dangerous this religion bullshit is  Aim high!

  • Just John

    P.S. – Sincere thanks for working to subvert organized religion

  • Just John

    P.S. – Sincere thanks for working to subvert organized religion

  • Just John

    P.S. – Sincere thanks for working to subvert organized religion

  • Satan, Kansas, USA

    Great entertainment, thanks for that. What a bunch of fucking weirdos.

  • Satan, Kansas, USA

    Great entertainment, thanks for that. What a bunch of fucking weirdos.

  • Joseph Jones

    Jesus already came in 70AD when the Temple was destroyed (Preterism teaches that all Bible prophecy is fulfilled, all of it, including Christ’s return).  It’s not that Jesus is the anti-Christ, it’s that organized churchianity was long ago overtaken by the forces of evil in the form of “Futurism” (the belief that Christ is still to come in the future).  This entire movement called “Futurism” barely even existed in the late 19th C AD, so as a movement it is relatively new.  The primary beneficiaries of Futurism, for reasons of justifying war and death and destruction (esp of Islam) are of course Israel (Israel also convinces stupid members of churchianity to donate funds to Israel to send Israelis around the world to return to Israel). 

    Only since the late 19tch C did futurism became the dominant faith in churchianty, but Preterism is growing fast now.   http://www.fulfilledcg.com/Site/Video/watch_intro.htm  An interesting and entertaining 1 hr video presentation introducing Preterism with many Bible vs supporting it, titled “You’ve Got To Be Kidding, Right?”   

  • Joseph Jones

    Jesus already came in 70AD when the Temple was destroyed (Preterism teaches that all Bible prophecy is fulfilled, all of it, including Christ’s return).  It’s not that Jesus is the anti-Christ, it’s that organized churchianity was long ago overtaken by the forces of evil in the form of “Futurism” (the belief that Christ is still to come in the future).  This entire movement called “Futurism” barely even existed in the late 19th C AD, so as a movement it is relatively new.  The primary beneficiaries of Futurism, for reasons of justifying war and death and destruction (esp of Islam) are of course Israel (Israel also convinces stupid members of churchianity to donate funds to Israel to send Israelis around the world to return to Israel). 

    Only since the late 19tch C did futurism became the dominant faith in churchianty, but Preterism is growing fast now.   http://www.fulfilledcg.com/Site/Video/watch_intro.htm  An interesting and entertaining 1 hr video presentation introducing Preterism with many Bible vs supporting it, titled “You’ve Got To Be Kidding, Right?”   

  • Crypticfreak

    The antichrist (ego) is the belief in the beast, materialism. Materialism is basically based on the idea that there are only particles. Most people think materialistically because they are not aware of the wave like nature of reality, and all that goes with that. The beast is the body of man. Man is a beast. Do you believe yourself to be beast (body, particle) or Wave (Mind,Spirit). These are your only 2 options. Truth or illusion, because whether or not your aware of it, the truth is, your wave. If you accept yourself as beast (particle), then the body is your guide, its laws yours, the brain your mind. If you accept yourself as wave, then Spirit is your Mind, immortality your nature, infinity and eternity your law, the kingdom yours. The kingdom of heaven is here right now, people just keep looking for particles. Particles come and particles go, but Spirit remains ever present. As such, only spirit can be called reality, for only Spirit does not change, does not die. Wave before particle, not particle before wave. We all share this wave. Get your Mind surfing, accept “salvation”. If you are not aware of your true nature, then you have been deceived.

  • Crypticfreak

    The antichrist (ego) is the belief in the beast, materialism. Materialism is basically based on the idea that there are only particles. Most people think materialistically because they are not aware of the wave like nature of reality, and all that goes with that. The beast is the body of man. Man is a beast. Do you believe yourself to be beast (body, particle) or Wave (Mind,Spirit). These are your only 2 options. Truth or illusion, because whether or not your aware of it, the truth is, your wave. If you accept yourself as beast (particle), then the body is your guide, its laws yours, the brain your mind. If you accept yourself as wave, then Spirit is your Mind, immortality your nature, infinity and eternity your law, the kingdom yours. The kingdom of heaven is here right now, people just keep looking for particles. Particles come and particles go, but Spirit remains ever present. As such, only spirit can be called reality, for only Spirit does not change, does not die. Wave before particle, not particle before wave. We all share this wave. Get your Mind surfing, accept “salvation”. If you are not aware of your true nature, then you have been deceived.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Well, Maybe satan doesn’t believe in the bible like genuine christians do, so he thinks evil can win. or something or other. Maybe he sees that things are bad and doesn’t see how his “evil” plans could fail. All random speculation of course

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    and teh weed

  • Wanooski

    If he was capable of truly independent thought that any actual force that could in any way rival God could have, he could make the same realization that I have made(that the outcome of the battle is predestined), if not then he could not be a true threat or equally opposing force that would create a dualistic struggle. He would be little more than some kind of proxy, if that is true then “evil” Would not be an equal opposing force to good. My point is that the “struggle” between good and evil in reality, is only a farce.
    Now this would mean that people that would be tempted to be evil, or really simply to not accept the faith of Christianity would be condemned FOREVER, for no reason.

     A soveriegn human soul that has no say as to whether it is brought into existence, and no say as to what the established morality of that existence is, must accept that morality at the threat of eternal suffering, ETERNAL SUFFERING. Now obviously things like murder and theft and rape are things that are abominable to say just about everyone, but what about moral issues that are more arbitrary like homosexuality? Christian and other Abrahamic traditions posit that homosexuality is an abominable sin and is immoral to engage in, but really why? And then you look at things like the idea that fossils and other evidence that refutes the Christian creation myth were a purposeful attempt to dissuade the faith of people, so that they could be seperated from the truly faithful. But if it was a delibrate act by God, why would he purposefully attempt to subvert the faith of his own people? Say it was an act of the devil, but as I have essentially established, satan is really just a proxy for god. Why? If there is not a true greater struggle for which God would need faithful soldiers, why would he condemn thinking feeling human souls essentially arbitrarily?

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Now i’m literally being the devil’s advocate but, as I was saying, even if the christian perspective is right, satan would be of the mindset that it is not (otherwise he’d be on the side of the christian god, right?). He does not believe that the christian god is all powerful as the bible says, and might actually believe that he could win (even if hypothetically he could not). In this sense even if the bible is true etc. satan would still not simply be a proxy.

  • Wanooski

    But why would he think that way? There would almost certainly be something compelling him to do so, no? And the simple (hypothetical)fact of his existence could only be the overall will of God in the first place. He could only exist if God willed it or allowed, and if he refuses to believe that God is omnipotent it would be because God either compelled him to think so, or because he deceived him into believing so. So he would still be a tool of God even if he were unawares. Either way, he could not be an actual equal opposing force. He can only exist if God allows it, meaning that God condones at least his present existence, and hence, he is just a tool of God, or a proxy through which God allows “evil” to exist and to corrupt people.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Heh beats me. I don’t really believe any of it (beyond maybe some symbology).

  • Wanooski

     I don’t really believe it either. But I can’t really help but think about these things, it gets shoved at me all the time in my home town. And my Grandpa keeps getting me to look at things philosophically because he thinks I am good at it.

  • RoboKy

    I, for one, welcome our Satanic overlords

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      I, for two, welcome our robot overlords

      • Anarchy Pony

        Satanic robot overlords? I think man may be doomed.

        • justagirl

          well, yes and no.  you don’t think they be made of metal do you?

    • justagirl

      you ALways do..

  • Anonymous

    I, for one, welcome our Satanic overlords

  • Godozo

    Joel is a book in the Old Testament. A Jewish book.

    Christianity is very much based on the New Testament, to the point that the people of the Old Testament (the Jews) are rejected.

    That the people of the New Testament are turning to the Old Testament is the important occurrance. With consequences.

    One of them being the embrace of Israel as the only true state in the middle east.
    Maybe this – the militarization of Christianity – is another consequence?

    After all, the God of the Old Testament requires blood. The God of the New Testament – belief, and the readiness to give of one’s blood.

    • Redacted

      That’s a very apt and intelligent observation. You win the insight of the month award, and I’m not being sarcastic.

      Reading that made a few things click for me.

    • A Christian

      The God of the Old Testament required blood for atonement as a symbol of the promise to come, which was the fact that God was going to require the blood atonement of his own Son as the final atonement.  Once that occurred, all that was required was acceptance of that final blood atonement.  It was counted unto Abraham as righteousness when he believed God’s promise to him.  It has always been about faith in God’s promises.  Old Testament was promising a Messiah, New Testament faith is believing that the Messiah was here and salvation available.

      If anything would cause some Christians to become militant it would be if they were to be persecuted.  Look at what is happening to the Coptics in Alexandria right now.  As long as the world doesn’t start killing them, I doubt that they will become violent.  Save the Catholics for which I will in no way defend.  If Christians begin killing in the name of God, stop them however you need to but they are not following the teachings of Christ.

      The Bible confirms that though there is a new convenant that extends to all mankind, God has not forgotten Israel and will again defend them and never allow them to disappear from the Earth.  1948,67,73 attest to this.  I’m sure more attempts will be made.  Many Jews rejected God after Christ, not the other way around.

  • Godozo

    Joel is a book in the Old Testament. A Jewish book.

    Christianity is very much based on the New Testament, to the point that the people of the Old Testament (the Jews) are rejected.

    That the people of the New Testament are turning to the Old Testament is the important occurrance. With consequences.

    One of them being the embrace of Israel as the only true state in the middle east.
    Maybe this – the militarization of Christianity – is another consequence?

    After all, the God of the Old Testament requires blood. The God of the New Testament – belief, and the readiness to give of one’s blood.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Not even a question, really. Even though I don’t believe in any of the traditional Christian cosmology…if there were an ‘Antichrist’ figure who was popular…fundies, being natural born followers and proud of it, will be the first ones to their knees to lovingly lap the sh*t from the tip of the Antichrists dick…right after hes done f*cking over whomever they dislike that day. Hate and fear sell…and suckers like those are always buying.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Not even a question, really. Even though I don’t believe in any of the traditional Christian cosmology…if there were an ‘Antichrist’ figure who was popular…fundies, being natural born followers and proud of it, will be the first ones to their knees to lovingly lap the sh*t from the tip of the Antichrists dick…right after hes done f*cking over whomever they dislike that day. Hate and fear sell…and suckers like those are always buying.

  • Anonymous

    Of course. Marijuana is the root of all evil.

  • Anonymous

    That’s a very apt and intelligent observation. You win the insight of the month award, and I’m not being sarcastic.

    Reading that made a few things click for me.

  • Anonymous

    Grandfathers tend to point us in the right directions, I think. Skeptic or Religious, once Men hit their golden years they know their shit.

  • DeepCough

    Here’s the thing with Christian dominionism and “Joel’s Army:” these people have been around for centuries, the kind of people that read the Bible prima facie and proclaim it the Truth for it is the Word of GOD, and spreading it–not like a virus–but spores, and the way they have been doing it is through conquest, and it’s all because Christianity became the religion of the Roman Empire. Christian dominionists have been dominating other lands with their religion officially since Pope Urban II began the Holy Crusade against the Infidels in Jerusalem, and this has been the leit motif of European conquest ever since, and it even came here to the Americas and set up little Protestant shops that preached Revivalism and later Fundamentalism, and this sort of thing will go on until some sort of Nuclear Holocaust occurs (and the real tragedy of it is it will be sort of an accident).

  • DeepCough

    Here’s the thing with Christian dominionism and “Joel’s Army:” these people have been around for centuries, the kind of people that read the Bible prima facie and proclaim it the Truth for it is the Word of GOD, and spreading it–not like a virus–but spores, and the way they have been doing it is through conquest, and it’s all because Christianity became the religion of the Roman Empire. Christian dominionists have been dominating other lands with their religion officially since Pope Urban II began the Holy Crusade against the Infidels in Jerusalem, and this has been the leit motif of European conquest ever since, and it even came here to the Americas and set up little Protestant shops that preached Revivalism and later Fundamentalism, and this sort of thing will go on until some sort of Nuclear Holocaust occurs (and the real tragedy of it is it will be sort of an accident).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/WorldPeace-Shabazz-Archdeacon/100000658652449 WorldPeace Shabazz Archdeacon

    The christian world view is not the truth, not completely anyway. No religious school of thought could ever even hope to encompass an entire god. Especially if there is only one. Biblical Revelations speak of a time when the majority turn away from god for the sake of sin (sin=satan=material world=ego) as well as (in my opinion) the false god, capitalism, and its idols, money. (opinion again) I think that the end could be brought about by our disgusting disregard/destruction of the living system this planet is built on, as well as our dependance on the redistribution of wealth for the sake of convenience. anyway im a lil drunk

    • Redacted

      Mammon, sometimes used as the name of the son of Satan, is also used to refer to money and greed. Perhaps not a coincidence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/WorldPeace-Shabazz-Archdeacon/100000658652449 WorldPeace Shabazz Archdeacon

    The christian world view is not the truth, not completely anyway. No religious school of thought could ever even hope to encompass an entire god. Especially if there is only one. Biblical Revelations speak of a time when the majority turn away from god for the sake of sin (sin=satan=material world=ego) as well as (in my opinion) the false god, capitalism, and its idols, money. (opinion again) I think that the end could be brought about by our disgusting disregard/destruction of the living system this planet is built on, as well as our dependance on the redistribution of wealth for the sake of convenience. anyway im a lil drunk

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    I, for two, welcome our robot overlords

  • Dunzain

    Maybe there should be a middle-guy God in the Christian mythology, Satanhova or something. Not black or white but all gray. A religion based on that would be much easier to follow.

    Nothing is all good or all evil, the whole concept is ridiculous.

  • Dunzain

    Maybe there should be a middle-guy God in the Christian mythology, Satanhova or something. Not black or white but all gray. A religion based on that would be much easier to follow.

    Nothing is all good or all evil, the whole concept is ridiculous.

  • Dunzain

    Maybe there should be a middle-guy God in the Christian mythology, Satanhova or something. Not black or white but all gray. A religion based on that would be much easier to follow.

    Nothing is all good or all evil, the whole concept is ridiculous.

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  • Kevin

    Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    I find it interesting that these people who profess to be a part of this “Joel’s Army” movement have a desire to harm others who don’t agree with them.  I am assuming that many of these churches in this video have worship services on Sunday.  If my assumption is correct, what many of these “Joel’s Army” believers miss is that SUNday worship was instituted by the pagan religions of Babylon centuries ago.  My point being if people worship on SUNday…all have worshiped Satan unbeknownst to them.  God blessed the 7th day and commanded us to worship Him on the 7th day (Saturday or Saturn’s day modern name).  Being a Catholic for 24 years I can say firsthand how manipulative the church can be at hiding the truth from their parishioners.

    Keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

    God Bless

  • Kevin

    Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    I find it interesting that these people who profess to be a part of this “Joel’s Army” movement have a desire to harm others who don’t agree with them.  I am assuming that many of these churches in this video have worship services on Sunday.  If my assumption is correct, what many of these “Joel’s Army” believers miss is that SUNday worship was instituted by the pagan religions of Babylon centuries ago.  My point being if people worship on SUNday…all have worshiped Satan unbeknownst to them.  God blessed the 7th day and commanded us to worship Him on the 7th day (Saturday or Saturn’s day modern name).  Being a Catholic for 24 years I can say firsthand how manipulative the church can be at hiding the truth from their parishioners.

    Keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

    God Bless

  • Skippy

    really, most old people seem very out of touch and think technology is magic.

  • E.B. Wolf

    Sweet, dank, sticky evil.

  • Wanooski

    Satanic robot overlords? I think man may be doomed.

  • Wanooski

    There are some good mountains in oregon. Here by the coast, they have moderately healthy forests(for now, who knows when the beetles will get here…) a plentiful amount of game, and they don’t get super cold in the winter.

  • http://shalilayo.net/ Justin Mitchell

    These guys are absolutely right!  We need to bring back the inquisitions and start burning Satan out of their miserable hides!  We need to force the gospel down everyone’s throat at gun point, and torture them until we are convinced of their sincerity!  We must ignore the teachings of Jesus and embrace the old testament.  We exist for one reason; to kill everyone that doesn’t agree with us.  God does not believe in free will.  If you dare try and make your own decision, we’ll start dipping you into the lake of fire to bring you back on track.  God wants the earth to be covered in bloodshed, because it amuses him like humans watching a dog fight.  Just remember, we are the chosen generation of barbaric murderers who have been given the task of covering every part of this earth in blood!

    • Anarchy Pony

      You know, I hit the like button on the assumption that you’re being sarcastic. Please tell me you are…

  • Anonymous

    These guys are absolutely right!  We need to bring back the inquisitions and start burning Satan out of their miserable hides!  We need to force the gospel down everyone’s throat at gun point, and torture them until we are convinced of their sincerity!  We must ignore the teachings of Jesus and embrace the old testament.  We exist for one reason; to kill everyone that doesn’t agree with us.  God does not believe in free will.  If you dare try and make your own decision, we’ll start dipping you into the lake of fire to bring you back on track.  God wants the earth to be covered in bloodshed, because it amuses him like humans watching a dog fight.  Just remember, we are the chosen generation of barbaric murderers who have been given the task of covering every part of this earth in blood!

  • Anonymous

    These guys are absolutely right!  We need to bring back the inquisitions and start burning Satan out of their miserable hides!  We need to force the gospel down everyone’s throat at gun point, and torture them until we are convinced of their sincerity!  We must ignore the teachings of Jesus and embrace the old testament.  We exist for one reason; to kill everyone that doesn’t agree with us.  God does not believe in free will.  If you dare try and make your own decision, we’ll start dipping you into the lake of fire to bring you back on track.  God wants the earth to be covered in bloodshed, because it amuses him like humans watching a dog fight.  Just remember, we are the chosen generation of barbaric murderers who have been given the task of covering every part of this earth in blood!

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Those are only the ones that found technology convenient. The REAL old people say “damn it, back in my day, i had to walk to school through the snow uphill both ways etc. etc.”

    Then someone asks how he went uphill both ways, and he shuts up

  • Scott6000

    Joel’s Army is a manifestation of the Pentecostal “Latter Rain” movement that started in the 1870s. Wiki has an article on it, but you can research it elsewhere as well.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latter_Rain_(post%E2%80%93World_War_II_movement)

  • Scott6000

    Joel’s Army is a manifestation of the Pentecostal “Latter Rain” movement that started in the 1870s. Wiki has an article on it, but you can research it elsewhere as well.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latter_Rain_(post%E2%80%93World_War_II_movement)

  • Bainofmaliki

    The problem though mate is you already lost the discussion. You are using logic and reason, exceptionally well I might add, but logic and reason none the less. As I am sure you already know “thinking” is to the christians what the big bad wolfs huffing and puffing was to the third little pigs house of brick, a waist of time and air. Precisely why I don’t argue with the mentally retarded, children or people of “faith”.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    I enjoy a little paradigm piracy here and there. You get to see where the real complexity lies when you let yourself enter the mindsets of those you might normally disagree with. Of course you gotta be careful or you’ll lose the footing to your own worldview. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/geo.hernandez2 Geo Hernandez

    It’s time to arm ourselves and store several months of food.

    No, I’m not one of them. I’m just recommending that in acknowledgement of the danger that Dominionism presents. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/geo.hernandez2 Geo Hernandez

    It’s time to arm ourselves and store several months of food.

    No, I’m not one of them. I’m just recommending that in acknowledgement of the danger that Dominionism presents. 

  • Wanooski

    Empathy is important. But may become paralyzing.

  • Wanooski

    What do you mean? I’m not Christian… or retarded. And I wasn’t arguing a pro christian point either.

  • Wanooski

    What do you mean? I’m not Christian… or retarded. And I wasn’t arguing a pro christian point either.

  • Andrew

     What’s wrong with losing the footing to your own worldview?

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    I’d say more than paralized, worse so you get lost.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Thats a complex question. If that happens you get into a situation where you’re void of true belief, doubting anything and maybe even everything. You enter a very suggestive state, where to find new footing, you might become:

    A born again christian
    A conspiracy theorist
    An uneducated atheist
    A disinfonaut
    A hippie
    A bankster
    ….

    The list goes on, but if you can keep yourself from locking into any limiting worldviews different things happen.
    So in other words, its not necessarily a bad thing, but it can be.

  • JaceD

    That guy at 18.33 is so high haha

  • Anonymous

    That guy at 18.33 is so high haha

  • Anonymous

    Mammon, sometimes used as the name of the son of Satan, is also used to refer to money and greed. Perhaps not a coincidence.

  • Wanooski

    You know, I hit the like button on the assumption that you’re being sarcastic. Please tell me you are…

  • A Christian

     A few things on this.  First off, the fossil record in no way supports Darwinian evolution, hence the new tendency towards the “explosive evolution” to explain the lack of support in transitional fossils.  Bottom line is the adherents to this new brand claim that if they are right, you would not see many transitional fossils.  Their proof is the lack of proof. 

    The reason the God of the Bible considers homosexuality sin is due to the fact that God created man in his image, then created woman out of man to come together and have children.  Those three entities of the family represent the Trinity nature of the God head.  If one accepts Gods law, he necessarily has to accept that we have a purpose and that purpose is belonging to God, not whatever we choose.  We can construct our own purpose, but that purpose would be insignificant in comparison to an almighty entity.  If one rejects the opinion that God has a purpose then that logic does not follow, given of course that God is not real.

    The struggle of good and evil is not a struggle on the part of God, but of man.  We cannot completly reject some level of freewill, by that I mean that it is possible for us to chose one thing or another even if we lean in one direction.  People make the mistake of assuming that we have a right to anything in the eyes of God, if there really is a being of that authority and intelligence and we have offended that being, we deserve nothing good from God.  We usually take an anthropocentric point of view when it comes to what is just and fair.  If we contemplate the issue from the perspective of and almighty sovereign God we see a different conclusion. 

    God wants perfect relationship with perfect love and perfect worship.  This requires the choice to choose to have a relationship, love, worship ect.  In order to have that choice there has to be a “road B” or the choice to disobey (tree of knowledge of good and evil).  That is not enough though, for if one knows “road A”  will be good and “road B” will be bad, there is still no choice about it.  Example, if I give you a gun and say “don’t shoot yourself because you will die” and that “if you don’t shoot yourself you will not die.”  I can hardly take your choice in obedience as due to love or recognition of my authority.  I must therefore leave the only being in existence that will lie and make “road B” appealing (Satan).  Now, you have a real choice.  You have to take God at his word that “road A” is what you should do and that “road B” though fun and therefore appealing is ultimately disobedience.  Satan is allowed to exist in order to make road B appealing enough to have true freewill.  To call this unfair is to take a anthropocentric point of view which is not what God does.  Anyway, just thought you mind as well have the real claims of Christianity before you reject it and call it illogical.  You still have the choice to reject it.

  • A Christian

    Cognitive dissonance effects everyone.

  • A Christian

    The God of the Old Testament required blood for atonement as a symbol of the promise to come, which was the fact that God was going to require the blood atonement of his own Son as the final atonement.  Once that occurred, all that was required was acceptance of that final blood atonement.  It was counted unto Abraham as righteousness when he believed God’s promise to him.  It has always been about faith in God’s promises.  Old Testament was promising a Messiah, New Testament faith is believing that the Messiah was here and salvation available.

    If anything would cause some Christians to become militant it would be if they were to be persecuted.  Look at what is happening to the Coptics in Alexandria right now.  As long as the world doesn’t start killing them, I doubt that they will become violent.  Save the Catholics for which I will in no way defend.  If Christians begin killing in the name of God, stop them however you need to but they are not following the teachings of Christ.

    The Bible confirms that though there is a new convenant that extends to all mankind, God has not forgotten Israel and will again defend them and never allow them to disappear from the Earth.  1948,67,73 attest to this.  I’m sure more attempts will be made.  Many Jews rejected God after Christ, not the other way around.

  • Andrew

    The only reason there are “no” transitional fossils is because every time scientists find a fossil they assign it a name.  “Species” are a human concept.  All animals are transitional.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_problem

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    The number of fossils existing and/or found pale in comparison to the number of animals that actually existed. Look up what fossilization means and you’ll understand that fossils are not just bones of dead animals in the ground that have survived through the eons. 

    My guess is, if there are situations where there are so-called ‘missing links’ they historically coincide around catastrophes where we have both a large number of animal deaths (reducing the number that potentially become fossils) and a chaotic flux-state where rapid evolution takes place due to difficult living situations. In this time, more transitions would happen than available fossils, so the ‘missing links’ are more difficult to find (but are commonly still found)

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    The number of fossils existing and/or found pale in comparison to the number of animals that actually existed. Look up what fossilization means and you’ll understand that fossils are not just bones of dead animals in the ground that have survived through the eons. 

    My guess is, if there are situations where there are so-called ‘missing links’ they historically coincide around catastrophes where we have both a large number of animal deaths (reducing the number that potentially become fossils) and a chaotic flux-state where rapid evolution takes place due to difficult living situations. In this time, more transitions would happen than available fossils, so the ‘missing links’ are more difficult to find (but are commonly still found)

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    The number of fossils existing and/or found pale in comparison to the number of animals that actually existed. Look up what fossilization means and you’ll understand that fossils are not just bones of dead animals in the ground that have survived through the eons. 

    My guess is, if there are situations where there are so-called ‘missing links’ they historically coincide around catastrophes where we have both a large number of animal deaths (reducing the number that potentially become fossils) and a chaotic flux-state where rapid evolution takes place due to difficult living situations. In this time, more transitions would happen than available fossils, so the ‘missing links’ are more difficult to find (but are commonly still found)

  • Wanooski

    Darwinian evolution is a specific view of evolution, a particular theory of why and how things evolve, there is overwhelming evidence that evolution itself occurs. That of course doesn’t adress the question of why the fossils supporting this viewpoint would exist at all if young earth creation theory is true, which would be because they were deliberately planted or placed by some entity in order to cast doubt on the truth. But then here’s something else, if you somehow believe in intelligent design, at what point did humanity gain a soul? Because apparently animals don’t have souls, even though they are capable of all the same emotions as man, if not the same complexity of thought.

    Your explanation of homosexuality’s sinful origin essentially proves my point, it is arbitrary. God decided that he would make woman and that man and woman are the only valid pairing and simultaneously gave people the potential to not want to do so, for the specific reason of seperating them into some sort of “inferior” pile of souls to be condemned not to just cease to exist but to SUFFER FOREVER. All choices can only exist because your god either wills it to exist or allows it to exist, as an omnipotent creator He would have control over every aspect of existence, the choice to be homosexual and its consequences exist because your god allows it to be so. So by your logic all of existence is basically a factory in which we are products that are all being quality control tested for no reason other than to pointlessly go to an afterlife in which you bask in the (arrogant) magnificence of the being that created you, for ALL ETERNITY. Well god be praised, what a meaningful purpose. I mean sure you can dedicate your life on earth to helping the sick and the poor and protecting the weak, and fighting the greedy and wicked, but of course in the end you must submit to one particular god (out of hundreds of other gods that all seem to be just as real to you, but apparently any good will they may have shown you and any visions regarging them are all of course falsehoods planted in your mind to make you doubt the specific existence of one god) and perform several specific acts while alive in order to not suffer forever in a pit of hellfire. But oh wait! It gets even more confusing, becuase dozens of churches and variations of your faith exist, and according to several, if a person doesn’t pick exactly the right one, once again the result is hell. So in reality the only thing that could give you certainty would be an epiphany directly from god, but here’s another kicker, that would be spoiling the system of choice in which one must choose the right path.

    To hell with all of that. To hell with your god and his covert minion satan.
    Free will can only exist because he allows it, and he put that quality in us, meaning it is a struggle imposed on us. Any imperfections in us are a result of His will, not ours.

    For all I know your god is the king of demons pushing man to destroy the sacred earth with his false faith and proclamations that we are to be fruitful and multiply and subdue the earth, and to convert the unbelievers. because he seeks to feed on death and misery.

     

  • A Christian

    One cannot argue under the premise that the God of Christianity exists and then at their choosing try to sneak in conclusions from the premise that God doesn’t exist.  To take the view that God does not exist will lead to some of the conclusions you mentioned.  If, however, you premise God is real in order to check the logical consistency you find some mistakes in your view.  If God exists such as in the Bible, then right and wrong rest exclusively in God.  We may try to say that something is arbitrary or that something is God’s fault and not our own, but the fact that we have no authority to make such decisions renders them meaningless.  The claim that God is not just in his will for man is also meaningless under the premise that God is real.  If we were all created just to be destroyed in order to glorify God (though that’s not what the Bible concludes) we would not like it, but what we like means nothing.  You seem to try and position God on the level of mankind, giving our sense of entitlement an equal footing with God’s entitlement.  If the entire of creation was an act of God and he is outside of it, then the two cannot be compared in such a manner (God and creation.)

    On evolution, there is no fossil record relating to man’s evolution from anything that cannot be classified as the same species we are today.  A virus mutating is hardly grounds to conclude that we came about based on that process.  If you refer to Chemical evolution or cosmological evolution then there is a whole separate discussion there.  I theorize that if there were a devastating deluge on Earth, we would find many fossils buried under strata, which we do.  Evolution is a theory that has been around for over a century and has not gained any real ground despite the major advancements in science (Darwinian method anyway)  I am not familiar with the brand you seem to believe in as you haven’t laid out a complete explanation for what you theorize.

  • justagirl

    you ALways do..

  • justagirl

    well, yes and no.  you don’t think they be made of metal do you?

  • Nyanblade

    oh shit, tubby christians are going to overthrow the world’s governments with interpretive dance. SHOCKING AND WORRISOME.

  • Nyanblade

    oh shit, tubby christians are going to overthrow the world’s governments with interpretive dance. SHOCKING AND WORRISOME.

  • Anonymous

    this reply is small

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    Children why did  you lose faith?

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    Children why did  you lose faith?