Media Roots: White House Spin, Democrats’ Wars, Manufactured “Terror”

Via Media Roots:

Abby & Robbie Martin cover White House spin regarding Gaddafi’s vs. Bin Laden’s death footage and the third declared “end” to the Iraq War, MoveOn’s attempt to hijack elements of Occupy Wall Street, Democratic presidents using the cloak of NATO to initiate military interventions, CIA involvement in false flag terrorism and cases of fake “terror” manufactured by aspects of the U.S. government in the newest edition of Media Roots Radio.

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  • Jarel

    Result of NATO drone strikes in Libya – Warning Graphic Video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?vhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v

  • Jarel

    Result of NATO drone strikes in Libya – Warning Graphic Video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?vhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v

  • KewGardensNYC

    At the risk of sound patronizing (which isn’t my intent) I would suggest that Abby and Robbie Martin spend a few years studying the history of the West for the last two centuries and that of China wouldn’t hurt. Their podcast seems to imply that a perfect world is both attainable and desirable (read Berlin’s essay on the history of utopias). While I am in profound sympathy with many of their opinions & goals; history tells us that politics are inherently messy, imprecise and illusionary (read Thucydides’ History, which is a manual for statescraft, NOT a history). People lie: the US tortures, Israel harvests organs from Palestinian children, and the sky is blue. People do stupid, self defeating hypocritical things and indeed, so do governments. The question is one of intent, balance and direction. It is quite easy to criticize but is that enough? Without offering concrete direction it seems to me that their commentary is hobbled. And while it may be a revelation for the lady from Dubuque that our brave men in uniform gang rape children, then shoot their ravaged bodies to kill the witness, for anyone with intellectual drive it is not. As it is now, for me is seems that the Martins are preaching to the choir and serve only to reinforce others who hold the same views, but who are too timid to reflect on them. I find their utility grievously compromised. Complaints are easy; remedies are hard. I don’t want to sound too harsh, but going one step further would transform their easily classed leftist bitching, into another realm. (The ultimate issue here is humanity, not politics.)
    Also, what is the purpose of the music?  Perhaps its honey on the edge of the cup of medicine, but once again, I would wager that anyone who is going to spend an hour with the Martins wants to hear them talk–not a concert.

    • Fluorescent Grey

      what kind of remedies do you suggest?  And what do you mean by ‘not a concert’, are you unfamiliar with the idea of a talk radio show being broken up by music or using what is commonly called in the industry ‘bumper’ music? Does the news offer ‘solutions’ I’m not really sure what you were expecting from our podcast that goes above and beyond the template one usually gets from such a format.

  • Anonymous

    At the risk of sound patronizing (which isn’t my intent) I would suggest that Abby and Robbie Martin spend a few years studying the history of the West for the last two centuries and that of China wouldn’t hurt. Their podcst seems to imply that a perfect world is both attainable and desirable (read Berlin’s essay on the history of utopias). While I am in sympathy with many of their goals; history tells us that politics are inherently messy, imprecise and illusionary (read Thucydides’ History, which is a manual for statescraft, NOT a history). People lie: the US tortures, Israel harvests organs from Palestinian children, and the sky is blue. People do stupid, self defeating hypocritical things and indeed, so do governments. The question is one of intent, balance and direction. It is quite easy to criticize but is that enough? Without offering concrete direction it seems to me that their commentary is hobbled. And while it may be a revelation for the lady from Dubuque that our brave men in uniform gang rape children, then shoot their ravaged bodies to kill the witness, for anyone with intellectual drive it is not. As it is now, for me is seems that the Martins are preaching to the choir and serve only to reinforce others who hold the same views, but who are too timid to reflect on them. I find their utility grievously compromised. Complaints are easy; remedies are hard. Also, what is the purpose of the music?  Perhaps its honey on the edge of the cup of medicine, but once again, I would wager that anyone who is going to spend an hour with the Martins wants to hear them talk–not a concert.

  • http://www.facebook.com/FluorescentGrey Fluorescent Grey

    what kind of remedies do you suggest?  And what do you mean by ‘not a concert’, are you unfamiliar with the idea of a talk radio show being broken up by music or using what is commonly called in the industry ‘bumper’ music? Does the news offer ‘solutions’ I’m not really sure what you were expecting from our podcast that goes above and beyond the template one usually gets from such a format.

  • Anonymous

    Because of your possessive pronoun, “our” before the word broadcast, I am assuming that you have some relationship with the Martins. Is this correct?First, you ask valid questions and I was expecting them. However, I am not prepared to write and publish a diss on the topic. And this mode of discussion is (unfortunately) fast and loose. Let me break down your queries:Form, nature, genre of podcast. The only podcast I have time for are some of the BBC programs on science. Yes, they do have music (and thank you for the term bumper), but you were dealing with some serious issues and I personally found the type and amount of music a hindrance. You write: “….as well as music from RecordLabelRecords.org. Much of the music you hear on our podcasts comes from Robbie’s imprint Record Label Records, and Abby’s art reflects the passion and perspective that lead her to create Media Roots.org.” While Abbie & Robbie may have multiple talents, and while music has been identified by social critics as the one area in US society to which many aspire, as you plugging your musical skills or intellectual analysis of media false flags? To try to do both weakens the thrust of either. (e.g., Aztmon’s web page; integrated yet separated.)Secondly, the remedy. There is the great saying about Marxism: his analysis was spot on, his remedy was terrible. I don’t think, nor philosophically believe that one size fits all. There is no single remedy, but as series of steps and attitudes we can adapt. What I do think, however, is what I tried to do in my (imperfect) critique–offer bibliography for context. I don’t do the very, very hard work that you do, but as said, it is a question of increased utility–usefulness.  Is the US in 2011 any difference for what it was in the past (e.g. Spanish/American War)? Is the US any different from other Western democracies today? Is the US any different from other contemporary world political forms? It may be that your audience believes in Santa Claus–that the US is always wearing a white hat, but from my experiences in Berkeley I think not. But then,  who is wearing a white hat? Anybody? France (check deals with W. Africa/Mali, etc.), Norway?, the UK? Germany? What is a moral society? One doesn’t have to point out that the Green Zone in Baghdad is larger than Vatican City, or that the Israeli “fence” is higher than much of the Berlin Wall, but to freely sprinkle such context statements makes the discussion/argument more vigorous and far stronger. Yes, as Oscar Wilde (read his essay on Socialism if you haven’t, he wasn’t a clown) noted that while we may indeed walk in the gutter, some of us are looking at the stars.  You are probably right in assuming that my expectations exceeded the template of your forum. But I, one among many, am weary of the obvious. There is only 24/7 and too much to lean, to do, to try to understand: I gave up on the US media long ago; I read three UK papers each day + quick scan of Le Monde, Der Spiegle and once a week, an Italian or El Pais in English. Also, the Hong Kong and Hindu Times once a week. I break from my own work to watch the world fall apart and I take no pride in my predictions: Libya and Iraq will have a half decade of civil war and end up Islamic Republics. This is not bad on its own, but in Iraq, unstable elements from Iran are already the de facto force. Libya remains tribal and will purge and purge. Egypt will implode, starve; Africa will starve, blow up with US made weapons (tell your listens where the land mind factories are located in the US); the Chinese will expand their settlements, seizing control of much via clients. The US will meddle until China stops US credit–once that happens, gas shoots up, riots here. Anyone familiar with Thucydides would know that none of this is new or unexpected. (Or Tacitus, “They created a wasteland and called it peace.”) Or for that matter, the usually misunderstood Machiavelli. US north Americans have a great talent for stating the obvious–which is perhaps my caveat with talk radio. So given all of this, for me at least, “talk radio” in the current format isn’t a wise use of my time.  

  • KewGardensNYC

    Because of your possessive pronoun, “our” before the word broadcast, I am assuming that you have some relationship with the Martins. Is this correct?
    First, you ask valid questions and I was expecting them. However, I am not prepared to write and publish a diss on the topic. And this mode of discussion is (unfortunately) fast and loose. Let me break down your queries:
    Form, nature, genre of podcast. The only podcast I have time for are some of the BBC programs on science. Yes, they do have music (and thank you for the term bumper), but you were dealing with some serious issues and I personally found the type and amount of music a hindrance. You write: “….as well as music from RecordLabelRecords.org. Much of the music you hear on our podcasts comes from Robbie’s imprint Record Label Records, and Abby’s art reflects the passion and perspective that lead her to create Media Roots.org.” While Abbie & Robbie may have multiple talents, and while music has been identified by social critics as the one area in US society to which many aspire, are you plugging your musical skills or intellectual analysis of media false flags? To try to do both weakens the thrust of either. (e.g., Aztmon’s web page; integrated yet separated.)
    Secondly, the remedy. There is the great saying about Marxism: his analysis was spot on, his remedy was terrible. I don’t think, nor philosophically believe that one size fits all. There is no single remedy, but as series of steps and attitudes we can adapt. What I do think, however, is what I tried to do in my (imperfect) critique–offer bibliography for context. I don’t do the very, very hard work that you do, but as said, it is a question of increased utility–usefulness. 
    Is the US in 2011 any difference for what it was in the past (e.g. Spanish/American War)? Is the US any different from other Western democracies today? Is the US any different from other contemporary world political forms? It may be that your audience believes in Santa Claus–that the US is always wearing a white hat, but from my experiences in Berkeley I think not. But then,  who is wearing a white hat? Anybody? France (check deals with W. Africa/Mali, etc.), Norway?, the UK? Germany? What is a moral society? One doesn’t have to point out that the Green Zone in Baghdad is larger than Vatican City, or that the Israeli “fence” is higher than much of the Berlin Wall, but to freely sprinkle such context statements makes the discussion/argument more vigorous and far stronger. Yes, as Oscar Wilde (read his essay on Socialism if you haven’t, he wasn’t a clown) noted that while we may indeed walk in the gutter, some of us are looking at the stars.  
    You are probably right in assuming that my expectations exceeded the template of your forum. But I, one among many, am weary of the obvious. There is only 24/7 and too much to lean, to do, to try to understand: I gave up on the US media long ago; I read three UK papers each day + quick scan of Le Monde, Der Spiegle and once a week, an Italian commentary or El Pais English. Also, the Hong Kong and Hindu Times once a week. I break from my own work to watch the world fall apart and I take no pride in my predictions: Libya and Iraq will have a half decade of civil war and end up Islamic Republics. This is not bad on its own, but in Iraq, unstable elements from Iran are already the de facto force & the Sunni, Shia purge is happening. Libya remains tribal and will purge and purge. Egypt will implode, starve; Africa will starve, blow up with US made weapons (tell your listeners where the land mind factories are located in the US–if you’ve not, discuss what land mines do to children, how the UK has refused to remove WWII fields in Egypt); the Chinese will expand their settlements, seizing control of much via clients. The US will meddle until China stops US credit–once that happens, gas shoots up, riots here.
    For me, context offer meaning, direction and solace. Anyone familiar with Thucydides would know that none of this is new or unexpected. (Or Tacitus, “They created a wasteland and called it peace.”) Or for that matter, the usually misunderstood Machiavelli. US north Americans have a great talent for stating the obvious as if it is a great discovery–which is perhaps my caveat with talk radio. So given all of this, for me at least, “talk radio” in the current format isn’t a wise use of my time.

    • Fluorescent Grey

      I don’t really agree with your premise or your conclusions I’m glad you took the time to respond to me. I am Robbie on the podcast in case you were wondering. I strongly believe our podcast is on the ‘better’ end of what’s out there as far as ‘radical’ radio is concerned, but it’s completely understandable why ‘talk radio’ would be a useless format for you personally. I am a talk -radio junkie as some say, and this is my contribution to create what i want to see out of the talk-radio format. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/FluorescentGrey Fluorescent Grey

    I don’t really agree with your premise or your conclusions I’m glad you took the time to respond to me. I am Robbie on the podcast in case you were wondering. I strongly believe our podcast is on the ‘better’ end of what’s out there as far as ‘radical’ radio is concerned, but it’s completely understandable why ‘talk radio’ would be a useless format for you personally. I am a talk -radio junkie as some say, and this is my contribution to create what i want to see out of the talk-radio format. 

  • Anonymous

    the administration has nothing but lie to us since Jan 20 , 2008 … same old same old

  • chee1rs

    the administration has nothing but lie to us since Jan 20 , 2008 … same old same old

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