Cooling The Future: Artificial Glaciers?

victoricelaBLDG BLOG examines the emerging field of ice engineering, which may prove more and more useful as naturally-occurring ice formations recede:

The city of Ulan Bator, Mongolia, will attempt to keep itself cool over the summer by way of a kind of artificial glacier.

According to the Guardian, this “geoengineering trial” will try to “‘store’ freezing winter temperatures in a giant block of ice that will help to cool and water the city as it slowly melts during the summer.” Project directors “hope the process will reduce energy demand from air conditioners and regulate drinking water and irrigation supplies.” The cool air will presumably be pumped through the city via a continuous and monumental network of ducts.

The project aims to artificially create “naleds” — ultra-thick slabs of ice that occur naturally in far northern climes when rivers or springs push through cracks in the surface to seep outwards during the day and then add an extra layer of ice during the night. Fascinatingly, naleds have already been used as foundations for infrastructural projects elsewhere; in North Korea, for instance, the Guardian reports, the military has utilized naleds “to build river crossings for tanks during the winter and Russia has used them as drilling platforms.”

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  • Redacted

    According to a few programs I’ve watched on the issue, if we just keep pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, we’ll go right through Global Warming and so thoroughly insulate the planet as to cause another Ice Age.

    Since we’re already doing that, it would be much easier to just keep destroying the planet than it would ever be to convince millions of hicks that “science” is real and Global Warming isn’t just God angry about homosexuals or soccer.

    Problem solved: burn everything, fuck the future.

    • Anarchy Pony

      No, it’ll just get hotter actually. See: Venus.

      • Redacted

        Lets try my method first.

      • Wballow

        you’re wrong.

      • Ali Abab

        They ruined the climate on Venus?

    • Ali Abab

      Yes because anyone that disagrees is a hick?  Let us not for get AGW is a theory and that theory is looking busted. Remember Climategate the final nail in the coffin of ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’? Oh yes all exposed by a hacker then admitted to by the professor himself.

      • Redacted

        Redneck is as redneck does BUBBA.

    • http://twitter.com/Sparky4Peace Candace McFarland

      I am starting to feel the same way.

  • Anonymous

    According to a few programs I’ve watched on the issue, if we just keep pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, we’ll go right through Global Warming and so thoroughly insulate the planet as to cause another Ice Age.

    Since we’re already doing that, it would be much easier to just keep destroying the planet than it would ever be to convince millions of hicks that “science” is real and Global Warming isn’t just God angry about homosexuals or soccer.

    Problem solved: burn everything, fuck the future.

  • JoiquimCouteau

    Futurama

  • Anonymous

    Futurama

  • Lonbgong

    Funny how there is proof and well thought out theories that the ocean is causing global warming. The standard global warming concept from human impact is a theory as well. Thus putting making both theories equal in weight. So why do we side with the human impact theory so often without looking at the other options? Money making.

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      So, maybe global warming is a strawman. But if its so easy to push over, what exactly is it strawmanning. Maybe people want to reduce pollution for other reasons, such as preventing natural destruction or at least carcinogens into our air and water. Then again, fighting that fight would require people to figure out that whole overpopulation problem, but people are too immature to think about that issue…

      This is the “vaccenes cause autism” argument all over again. Like proving that they don’t cause autism is reason enough to believe that they are safe.

    • Dco07

      Funny…how thats the most ignorant fucking thing I’ve ever read. you should be ashamed, you ignorant fuck, educate yourself. I take it you’ve never studied science, let alone environmental science, and if you ever tried it clearly went over your head, as you entirely fail to grasp what the word “theory” means. Its people like you going around saying evolution is just a “theory,” yeah,  a theory that has been the basis for modeling all of modern biology. Same with anthropogenic greenhouse gases to modern environmental science. This isn’t a controversial issue in the scientific community because its fucking obvious. But I don’t even know why I’m trying to explain this to you, its the kind of unscientific thinking displayed here thats ruining the fucking world. you are fucking pathetic. The fucking ocean causing global warming? what is wrong with you? who did that study, Rush Limbaugh? The OIL INDUSTRY just FUNDED a study to investigate the cause of global warming, and guess what, their findings indicate its been us all along. Again, the Oil industry funded that study.

      • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

        You obviously are passionate about maintaining your beliefs in the face of contradictory evidence.  Got any source material to back up your vitriolic spew?  I’ll wait.

      • What! What! What!

        Your ignorance is much more astounding!

        You are a borderline lunatic that has been educated by propaganda and falsified data. I would suggest an alternative education, maybe try studying other theories regarding global warming… “The OIL INDUSTRY just FUNDED a study to investigate the cause of global warming, and guess what, their findings indicate its been us all along. Again, the Oil industry funded that study.” Do you know why their study indicates that? Because their agenda is the same as the pseudo-environmental movement. Blame us for their problems, pollution, infrastructure, create false scarcity and put a stop to alternatives in order to drive prices up. It’s a system of control designed to shift the blame away from corporations, governments and ruling class and onto the standard citizen in order to impose regulation and taxes on our daily lives. We drive too much, we fart too much, we eat too much beef, the cows flatulence is causing global warming, we use too much toilet paper, we create too much trash, it’s our fault the world has more hurricanes. Give me a break, are there really people this fucking ignorant?Do you know that as the earth’s temperature rises the CO2 level increases and not the other way around. This is a little political trick they use to get you to think CO2 is bad. They show you the CO2 levels increasing and then show the temperature increasing along with it, but never explain the true relationship between them. It’s called a scam, and corporations, governments and the ruling class are very good at scamming people. You, being a prime example of this.

        • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

          did you know that ionizing radiation creates ozone?

    • http://twitter.com/Sparky4Peace Candace McFarland

      But don’t you see, if we do nothing we are contributing.  If we continue, we are destroying the planet by our wasteful capitalism.  Why make things that are obsolete in 6 months?  To put more money in the 1%’s pocket. What happens to all the obsolete products?  No resale value. Into the garbage.  We are filling our planet with toxins and bombing the rest into permanent explosives for the future.  You are worried about making a living, I understand. But there is a better way. http://www.TheWoodstockConspiracy.com has questions, http://www.TheVenusProject.com has answers.

  • Lonbgong

    Funny how there is proof and well thought out theories that the ocean is causing global warming. The standard global warming concept from human impact is a theory as well. Thus putting making both theories equal in weight. So why do we side with the human impact theory so often without looking at the other options? Money making.

  • mad

    Paint Texas white.

    • Clever Screenname

      What does that even mean?

      • Brian Flowers

        …my guess is that it means paint Texas white. Bulldoze everything (who cares, it’s Texas?) and paint the ground white (or rooftops, cars, roads…but screw it, I already said bulldoze it!) Texas is a pretty sizable amount of land. Paint it all white and it’ll reflect a TON of sunlight. Less solar energy absorbed into the ground means less heat radiating back off it, which means a cooler planet.

        • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

          Albedo effect huh.  Gotcha, or we could have a rational forum for dissenting scientists to share their findings amongst their peers.  But in this country, it seems politics are destroying the ability for scientists to dispassionately pursue logical truth on any issue where there is a financial stake or leverage of power to be risked.  Instead of been divided again into the left/right us or them mentality, how about an investigation of the various perspectives in a mutual search for truth.  The antagonism of divide and conquer again seeps into another would be forum for logical discussion.  Also anybody care to back up any of the claims of massive heating with non disputed temperature records?  I’d like to see the scare mongerers provide something to back up all of the doom and gloom that is projected.  It reminds me of the war on terror, everyone here is more likely to die of drowning in their own bathtubs or a bee sting than a terrorist attack, but you can’t keep the population scared as shit, giving all of their money to the “protectors” if you analyze without emotion the likelihood of needing protection against such manufactured boogeymen.  All of the trolls peddling fear and ignorance on this board should take a good hard look at themselves and ask if they really want to live as a dog to their masters for ever.  Or maybe they need to invest themselves in maintaining their crumbling paradigms and will lash out at anyone who dares tread on their perceived shadows with sunlight.  I digress.  Anyone want to again dispassionately discuss the facts without resorting to appeal to ridicule?  Appeal to fear or appeal to anything illogical and distracting you just give me a holler.

  • mad

    Paint Texas white.

  • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

    Sorry but AGW is a THEORY that is only given legitimacy by the collusion of media, industry and government to IGNORE all contradictory EVIDENCE.  Why won’t this illegitimate zombie illusion die already?  Oh right, because they just keep pushing the Big Lies in our face and hope that we will just stop pointing out that 2+2 is 4.
    Sorry I’m ranting again, it’s just kinda annoying.  Went to a lot of effort to make this presentation (http://www.disinfo.com/2010/05/climate-change-a-catastrophists-perspective/) so that everyday folks could see this from a different angle.  All the supporting articles are listed on the site sacredgeometryinternational.com here:

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B6g0BGYyjODCZDEzY2ZmNWYtZTcwZC00NjEzLTg1YzAtOGFkN2Q5YWVlZWQ3&hl=en_UShttp://www.disinfo.com/2010/05/climate-change-a-catastrophists-perspective/
    Please watch this Jacob.  You seem like a smart chap and I’m sure you would be open to revising your perspective or at least in considering new information regarding AGW.  Best wishes-Camron

    • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

      I understand there are potential beneficial applications but right at the outset of the article they lead with the assumption that ” as naturally occurring ice formations (read icebergs) recede”  Also the reality of GeoEngineering at it’s core is an entirely undemocratic and abusive exercise of power.  Therefore they must have some scare tactic to validate this extremist desire to play god with climate.  

      We have serious issues on this planet, fighting another made up boogey man in the form of AGW or “Climate Change” is another shell game to reroute all public funds into public enslavement via Carbon taxes & smart meter energy nazi surveillance.

      • Anarchy Pony

        You are an imbecile. Government does little more than give lip service while taking no action, industry actively obfuscates the truth, and the media always presents it as a debate.
        What is hard to figure out about this? Human industry pumps out gases, much of which is counted among the greenhouse gases, which retain heat more thoroughly, traps more infared heat from the sun, adds more energy to the climate system, more violent weather and disruption of the once stable and reliable climate cycles. Much of the gases used to be absorbed by the ocean, but it is slowly losing its ability to do so(see ocean acidification), and the continuing deforestation is another factor in why the gases aren’t being absorbed. The willful ignorance demonstrated on the intertoobz is disturbing to say the least.

        The answer is of course not geo-engineering which will only cause further negative side effects, but reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. Significantly. But oh no, that’ll hurt the economy, and by that the capitalists mean their system of power. Don’t you talk to me about enslavement fool.

        • jumungi

          Im sure you did exactly what your teachers told you to do in school too. Follow the rules! Only listen to us! We’re teachers so were never wrong!

        • quartz99

          Don’t feed the obvious trolls, man. It gives them fuel and then they continue to spew hot air and noxious fumes, and I’m right there with you that we need to reduce their emissions significantly ;)

          • Redacted

            What trolls?

        • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

          Why am I an imbecile exactly?  Because I disagree with you?  Because I challenge the pseudoscience of climate change.  I’ve posted a link to a scientific refutation of the main assumptions of the IPCC.  You have just posted talking points of AGW devotees with no substantiation whatsoever.  We agree that Geo Engineering is a no no.  Perhaps I could convince you to reconsider the nature of Co2 and of the carbon cycle’s (which science is only beginning to understand) impact on global temperature averages.  Perhaps you have been misled as to the degree of change a minute enhancement of a trace gas in the atmosphere is actually capable of producing, or of the phase relationships well established and well contradicting the scare mongering of Al Gore and his easily debunked hockey stick.  That is if you are willing to reconsider what you think you already know (or have been told).  Balls in your court.  If you are willing to open your mind I would be happy to oblige you in a discussion of the details and diverging perspectives as they relate to existing peer reviewed data from both camps.

          Your move.

          Oh, by the way I was almost attacked by a Earth and Atmospheric Professor from Ga. Tech for voicing similar questions about the assumptions of his belief system, It is always hilarious when those who esteem themselves as “brights” or “scientific illuminists” turn into tantrum toddlers whenever their favored religion (science) is used against them.  It seems hypocrisy is a steady state amongst this would be priest class, they so quickly shout down as heretical anyone who presents different idea even if it is derived from the scientific method.  I hope you are more mature than the unnamed Ph.D whose diaper has obviously gotten pretty heavy.  

          • minglewood

            There are no peer-reviewed papers that dispute AGW, I would refer you to skepticalscience.com, whom have done a fine job debunking this myth.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Actually there are, just because you won’t read them doesn’t mean they aren’t there.  I already provided the info above.  

          • BozoDeathGod

            The Koch Brothers wanted me to remind you that your check is in the mail.

          • minglewood

            “Climate skeptics give the impression that there is a substantial case against human caused global warming.” “Over 100 skeptics who have or give the impression they have scientific expertise have no book reviews, review articles, comments, replies to previously published papers or anything on the Web of Science, which covers 8,000 per-reviewed journals.”   Is there a case against human caused global warming in the peer-reviewed literature? Part 1–http://www.skepticalscience.com/Powell-project.html. None of your links led to anything that resembles climate science. I appreciate the work at sacred geometry and firmly believe in cycles, but 7 billion people, tons of carbon released every day, we are affecting the climate.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B6g0BGYyjODCZDEzY2ZmNWYtZTcwZC00NjEzLTg1YzAtOGFkN2Q5YWVlZWQ3&hl=en_US 

            Here is a list of References.  What exactly disqualifies them as “climate science” in your mind exactly?   I can’t really take a discussion of the facts with you seriously if you so flippantly attempt to dismiss 30 plus scientific articles many of which are peer reviewed with a wave of your hand.  The onus is on you.  Look through the articles referenced and explain to me why they do not qualify in your mind.  

        • Wballow

          still wrong. go get a degree or two in climatology and then you can act like you know what you’re talking about. The earth is going to heat up whether or not we reduce emissions. the question is ultimately how will we deal with that, regardless of our effect on the warming RATES 

    • Joe_Wolf

      lol sacred geometry

      • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

        lol, you obviously have no idea what Sacred Geometry is lol.  You are made out of it, lol, you and everything in the known Universe lol.  Appeal to ridicule, it’s easier than thinking lol.

  • Camron Wiltshire

    Sorry but AGW is a THEORY that is only given legitimacy by the collusion of media, industry and government to IGNORE all contradictory EVIDENCE.  Why won’t this illegitimate zombie illusion die already?  Oh right, because they just keep pushing the Big Lies in our face and hope that we will just stop pointing out that 2+2 is 4.
    Sorry I’m ranting again, it’s just kinda annoying.  Went to a lot of effort to make this presentation (http://disinfo.com/2010/05/climate-change-a-catastrophists-perspective/) so that everyday folks could see this from a different angle.  All the supporting articles are listed on the site sacredgeometryinternational.com here:

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B6g0BGYyjODCZDEzY2ZmNWYtZTcwZC00NjEzLTg1YzAtOGFkN2Q5YWVlZWQ3&hl=en_UShttp://disinfo.com/2010/05/climate-change-a-catastrophists-perspective/
    Please watch this Jacob.  You seem like a smart chap and I’m sure you would be open to revising your perspective or at least in considering new information regarding AGW.  Best wishes-Camron

  • Camron Wiltshire

    I understand there are potential beneficial applications but right at the outset of the article they lead with the assumption that ” as naturally occurring ice formations (read icebergs) recede”  Also the reality of GeoEngineering at it’s core is an entirely undemocratic and abusive exercise of power.  Therefore they must have some scare tactic to validate this extremist desire to play god with climate.  

    We have serious issues on this planet, fighting another made up boogey man in the form of AGW or “Climate Change” is another shell game to reroute all public funds into public enslavement via Carbon taxes & smart meter energy nazi surveillance.

  • Clever Screenname

    What does that even mean?

  • Wanooski

    No, it’ll just get hotter actually. See: Venus.

  • Wanooski

    You are an imbecile. Government does little more than give lip service while taking no action, industry actively obfuscates the truth, and the media always presents it as a debate.
    What is hard to figure out about this? Human industry pumps out gases, much of which is counted among the greenhouse gases, which retain heat more thoroughly, traps more infared heat from the sun, adds more energy to the climate system, more violent weather and disruption of the once stable and reliable climate cycles. Much of the gases used to be absorbed by the ocean, but it is slowly losing its ability to do so(see ocean acidification), and the continuing deforestation is another factor in why the gases aren’t being absorbed. The willful ignorance demonstrated on the intertoobz is disturbing to say the least.

    The answer is of course not geo-engineering which will only cause further negative side effects, but reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. Significantly. But oh no, that’ll hurt the economy, and by that the capitalists mean their system of power. Don’t you talk to me about enslavement fool.

  • Anonymous

    Lets try my method first.

  • Brian Flowers

    …my guess is that it means paint Texas white. Bulldoze everything (who cares, it’s Texas?) and paint the ground white (or rooftops, cars, roads…but screw it, I already said bulldoze it!) Texas is a pretty sizable amount of land. Paint it all white and it’ll reflect a TON of sunlight. Less solar energy absorbed into the ground means less heat radiating back off it, which means a cooler planet.

  • jumungi

    Im sure you did exactly what your teachers told you to do in school too. Follow the rules! Only listen to us! We’re teachers so were never wrong!

  • Anonymous

    Don’t feed the obvious trolls, man. It gives them fuel and then they continue to spew hot air and noxious fumes, and I’m right there with you that we need to reduce their emissions significantly ;)

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    So, maybe global warming is a strawman. But if its so easy to push over, what exactly is it strawmanning. Maybe people want to reduce pollution for other reasons, such as preventing natural destruction or at least carcinogens into our air and water. Then again, fighting that fight would require people to figure out that whole overpopulation problem, but people are too immature to think about that issue…

    This is the “vaccenes cause autism” argument all over again. Like proving that they don’t cause autism is reason enough to believe that they are safe.

  • Anonymous

    What trolls?

  • Camron Wiltshire

    Why am I an imbecile exactly?  Because I disagree with you?  Because I challenge the pseudoscience of climate change.  I’ve posted a link to a scientific refutation of the main assumptions of the IPCC.  You have just posted talking points of AGW devotees with no substantiation whatsoever.  We agree that Geo Engineering is a no no.  Perhaps I could convince you to reconsider the nature of Co2 and of the carbon cycle’s (which science is only beginning to understand) impact on global temperature averages.  Perhaps you have been misled as to the degree of change a minute enhancement of a trace gas in the atmosphere is actually capable of producing, or of the phase relationships well established and well contradicting the scare mongering of Al Gore and his easily debunked hockey stick.  That is if you are willing to reconsider what you think you already know (or have been told).  Balls in your court.  If you are willing to open your mind I would be happy to oblige you in a discussion of the details and diverging perspectives as they relate to existing peer reviewed data from both camps.

    Your move.

    Oh, by the way I was almost attacked by a Earth and Atmospheric Professor from Ga. Tech for voicing similar questions about the assumptions of his belief system, It is always hilarious when those who esteem themselves as “brights” or “scientific illuminists” turn into tantrum toddlers whenever their favored religion (science) is used against them.  It seems hypocrisy is a steady state amongst this would be priest class, they so quickly shout down as heretical anyone who presents different idea even if it is derived from the scientific method.  I hope you are more mature than the unnamed Ph.D whose diaper has obviously gotten pretty heavy.  

  • Anonymous

    lol sacred geometry

  • Beachhead_9

    ice makers at the polar regions.. regulate the convention currents in the ocean

  • Beachhead_9

    ice makers at the polar regions.. regulate the convention currents in the ocean

  • minglewood

    There are no peer-reviewed papers that dispute AGW, I would refer you to skepticalscience.com, whom have done a fine job debunking this myth.

  • Wballow

    you’re wrong.

  • Wballow

    still wrong. go get a degree or two in climatology and then you can act like you know what you’re talking about. The earth is going to heat up whether or not we reduce emissions. the question is ultimately how will we deal with that, regardless of our effect on the warming RATES 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bruce-Miller/100000952005408 Bruce Miller

    Global Warming/Cooling, the current and most popular “Red Herring”! This distraction has wasted enough internet space hiding the rapid deterioration and the ‘controlled demolition” of the U.S.Dollar and the removing all of value in America to Asia! 80% of the American population live within forty miles of a reactor, and American reactors for the bigger part are currently four times beyond the designed capacity for spent fuels. We are assured, that everything is safe and accidents do not happen in this U.S. of A. What of 9/11 then? Global challenges are now in the Asian field. they wield much more power, have much greater populations, and can have grater effect than a de-industrializing U.S.A. anyway! U.S.A. must, to survive, go along with whatever they decide – We, the U.S.A. are now “owned and operated” by China – China holds the fine balance over the U.S. dollar now, and the “controlling interest” in the U.S. economy. It is so over Yankee Doodle! you have unwittingly become the military arm of the Chinese! Even Israel threatens you, offers to pull the trigger on your military machine for you by initiating with Iran, China’s “Gasoline Tank”  Who would in return collapse your very economy in retaliation, and allow Eastern nations armed with former Soviet military machinery to reduce Israel to a glazed over parking lot. and perhaps rid the new Pan ‘Eurasian Empire of the Islamic extremists in Iran at the same time. Staring at the Climate Change issue is cowardly in light of the real festering problems Americans have at home. Time to focus American – even if you don’t want to look there right now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bruce-Miller/100000952005408 Bruce Miller

    Global Warming/Cooling, the current and most popular “Red Herring”! This distraction has wasted enough internet space hiding the rapid deterioration and the ‘controlled demolition” of the U.S.Dollar and the removing all of value in America to Asia! 80% of the American population live within forty miles of a reactor, and American reactors for the bigger part are currently four times beyond the designed capacity for spent fuels. We are assured, that everything is safe and accidents do not happen in this U.S. of A. What of 9/11 then? Global challenges are now in the Asian field. they wield much more power, have much greater populations, and can have grater effect than a de-industrializing U.S.A. anyway! U.S.A. must, to survive, go along with whatever they decide – We, the U.S.A. are now “owned and operated” by China – China holds the fine balance over the U.S. dollar now, and the “controlling interest” in the U.S. economy. It is so over Yankee Doodle! you have unwittingly become the military arm of the Chinese! Even Israel threatens you, offers to pull the trigger on your military machine for you by initiating with Iran, China’s “Gasoline Tank”  Who would in return collapse your very economy in retaliation, and allow Eastern nations armed with former Soviet military machinery to reduce Israel to a glazed over parking lot. and perhaps rid the new Pan ‘Eurasian Empire of the Islamic extremists in Iran at the same time. Staring at the Climate Change issue is cowardly in light of the real festering problems Americans have at home. Time to focus American – even if you don’t want to look there right now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bruce-Miller/100000952005408 Bruce Miller

    Global Warming/Cooling, the current and most popular “Red Herring”! This distraction has wasted enough internet space hiding the rapid deterioration and the ‘controlled demolition” of the U.S.Dollar and the removing all of value in America to Asia! 80% of the American population live within forty miles of a reactor, and American reactors for the bigger part are currently four times beyond the designed capacity for spent fuels. We are assured, that everything is safe and accidents do not happen in this U.S. of A. What of 9/11 then? Global challenges are now in the Asian field. they wield much more power, have much greater populations, and can have grater effect than a de-industrializing U.S.A. anyway! U.S.A. must, to survive, go along with whatever they decide – We, the U.S.A. are now “owned and operated” by China – China holds the fine balance over the U.S. dollar now, and the “controlling interest” in the U.S. economy. It is so over Yankee Doodle! you have unwittingly become the military arm of the Chinese! Even Israel threatens you, offers to pull the trigger on your military machine for you by initiating with Iran, China’s “Gasoline Tank”  Who would in return collapse your very economy in retaliation, and allow Eastern nations armed with former Soviet military machinery to reduce Israel to a glazed over parking lot. and perhaps rid the new Pan ‘Eurasian Empire of the Islamic extremists in Iran at the same time. Staring at the Climate Change issue is cowardly in light of the real festering problems Americans have at home. Time to focus American – even if you don’t want to look there right now.

    • Rus Archer

      time to completely ignore the topic
      i know, it’s not your fault the aluminum foil doesn’t work

      • Ali Abab

        I am not agreeing with the person you responded to.  Do you even know how to read or do you just use dumb ass phrases you have heard others say to make yourself feel “safe”.  That tinfoil hat is what you have constructed in your mind to prevent yourself from leaning anything new.  I am guessing you are young so i am sorry for being so aggressive but please use your brain and debate especially if you feel the need to attack.

        • Rus Archer

          you want me to debate with a guy who goes off on a completely unrelated tangent?
          next you’ll expect me to have serious debate with the “christian” trolls in here
          and, no, he in fact sounded like the people i have known or met who wear foil on their heads
          so i guess it’s ok to pull an ad hominem if you think someone’s younger than you?
          silly, silly, silly
          here, i’ll play along
          who cares about global warming or china or the military
          the most important thing in the world right now is punctuation, capitalization and grammar
          why won’t this rus guy play along
          disinfo, stop ruining our lives by distracting us from what matters!

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient
  • Camron Wiltshire

    lol, you obviously have no idea what Sacred Geometry is lol.  You are made out of it, lol, you and everything in the known Universe lol.  Appeal to ridicule, it’s easier than thinking lol.

  • Camron Wiltshire

    Actually there are, just because you won’t read them doesn’t mean they aren’t there.  I already provided the info above.  

  • Camron Wiltshire

    Albedo effect huh.  Gotcha, or we could have a rational forum for dissenting scientists to share their findings amongst their peers.  But in this country, it seems politics are destroying the ability for scientists to dispassionately pursue logical truth on any issue where there is a financial stake or leverage of power to be risked.  Instead of been divided again into the left/right us or them mentality, how about an investigation of the various perspectives in a mutual search for truth.  The antagonism of divide and conquer again seeps into another would be forum for logical discussion.  Also anybody care to back up any of the claims of massive heating with non disputed temperature records?  I’d like to see the scare mongerers provide something to back up all of the doom and gloom that is projected.  It reminds me of the war on terror, everyone here is more likely to die of drowning in their own bathtubs or a bee sting than a terrorist attack, but you can’t keep the population scared as shit, giving all of their money to the “protectors” if you analyze without emotion the likelihood of needing protection against such manufactured boogeymen.  All of the trolls peddling fear and ignorance on this board should take a good hard look at themselves and ask if they really want to live as a dog to their masters for ever.  Or maybe they need to invest themselves in maintaining their crumbling paradigms and will lash out at anyone who dares tread on their perceived shadows with sunlight.  I digress.  Anyone want to again dispassionately discuss the facts without resorting to appeal to ridicule?  Appeal to fear or appeal to anything illogical and distracting you just give me a holler.

  • BozoDeathGod

    The Koch Brothers wanted me to remind you that your check is in the mail.

  • Dco07

    Funny…how thats the most ignorant fucking thing I’ve ever read. you should be ashamed, you ignorant fuck, educate yourself. I take it you’ve never studied science, let alone environmental science, and if you ever tried it clearly went over your head, as you entirely fail to grasp what the word “theory” means. Its people like you going around saying evolution is just a “theory,” yeah,  a theory that has been the basis for modeling all of modern biology. Same with anthropogenic greenhouse gases to modern environmental science. This isn’t a controversial issue in the scientific community because its fucking obvious. But I don’t even know why I’m trying to explain this to you, its the kind of unscientific thinking displayed here thats ruining the fucking world. you are fucking pathetic. The fucking ocean causing global warming? what is wrong with you? who did that study, Rush Limbaugh? The OIL INDUSTRY just FUNDED a study to investigate the cause of global warming, and guess what, their findings indicate its been us all along. Again, the Oil industry funded that study.

  • Camron Wiltshire

    You obviously are passionate about maintaining your beliefs in the face of contradictory evidence.  Got any source material to back up your vitriolic spew?  I’ll wait.

  • minglewood

    “Climate skeptics give the impression that there is a substantial case against human caused global warming.” “Over 100 skeptics who have or give the impression they have scientific expertise have no book reviews, review articles, comments, replies to previously published papers or anything on the Web of Science, which covers 8,000 per-reviewed journals.”   Is there a case against human caused global warming in the peer-reviewed literature? Part 1–http://www.skepticalscience.com/Powell-project.html. None of your links led to anything that resembles climate science. I appreciate the work at sacred geometry and firmly believe in cycles, but 7 billion people, tons of carbon released every day, we are affecting the climate.

  • Camron Wiltshire

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B6g0BGYyjODCZDEzY2ZmNWYtZTcwZC00NjEzLTg1YzAtOGFkN2Q5YWVlZWQ3&hl=en_US 

    Here is a list of References.  What exactly disqualifies them as “climate science” in your mind exactly?   I can’t really take a discussion of the facts with you seriously if you so flippantly attempt to dismiss 30 plus scientific articles many of which are peer reviewed with a wave of your hand.  The onus is on you.  Look through the articles referenced and explain to me why they do not qualify in your mind.  

  • What! What! What!

    Your ignorance is much more astounding!

    You are a borderline lunatic that has been educated by propaganda and falsified data. I would suggest an alternative education, maybe try studying other theories regarding global warming… “The OIL INDUSTRY just FUNDED a study to investigate the cause of global warming, and guess what, their findings indicate its been us all along. Again, the Oil industry funded that study.” Do you know why their study indicates that? Because their agenda is the same as the pseudo-environmental movement. Blame us for their problems, pollution, infrastructure, create false scarcity and put a stop to alternatives in order to drive prices up. It’s a system of control designed to shift the blame away from corporations, governments and ruling class and onto the standard citizen in order to impose regulation and taxes on our daily lives. We drive too much, we fart too much, we eat too much beef, the cows flatulence is causing global warming, we use too much toilet paper, we create too much trash, it’s our fault the world has more hurricanes. Give me a break, are there really people this fucking ignorant?Do you know that as the earth’s temperature rises the CO2 level increases and not the other way around. This is a little political trick they use to get you to think CO2 is bad. They show you the CO2 levels increasing and then show the temperature increasing along with it, but never explain the true relationship between them. It’s called a scam, and corporations, governments and the ruling class are very good at scamming people. You, being a prime example of this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=773433966 Rus Archer

    time to completely ignore the topic
    i know, it’s not your fault the aluminum foil doesn’t work

  • Ali Abab

    They ruined the climate on Venus?

  • Ali Abab

    They ruined the climate on Venus?

  • Ali Abab

    They ruined the climate on Venus?

  • Ali Abab

    Yes because anyone that disagrees is a hick?  Let us not for get AGW is a theory and that theory is looking busted. Remember Climategate the final nail in the coffin of ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’? Oh yes all exposed by a hacker then admitted to by the professor himself.

  • Ali Abab

    Yes because anyone that disagrees is a hick?  Let us not for get AGW is a theory and that theory is looking busted. Remember Climategate the final nail in the coffin of ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’? Oh yes all exposed by a hacker then admitted to by the professor himself.

  • Ali Abab

    I am not agreeing with the person you responded to.  Do you even know how to read or do you just use dumb ass phrases you have heard others say to make yourself feel “safe”.  That tinfoil hat is what you have constructed in your mind to prevent yourself from leaning anything new.  I am guessing you are young so i am sorry for being so aggressive but please use your brain and debate especially if you feel the need to attack.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=773433966 Rus Archer

    you want me to debate with a guy who goes off on a completely unrelated tangent?
    next you’ll expect me to have serious debate with the “christian” trolls in here
    and, no, he in fact sounded like the people i have known or met who wear foil on their heads
    so i guess it’s ok to pull an ad hominem if you think someone’s younger than you?
    silly, silly, silly
    here, i’ll play along
    who cares about global warming or china or the military
    the most important thing in the world right now is punctuation, capitalization and grammar
    why won’t this rus guy play along
    disinfo, stop ruining our lives by distracting us from what matters!

  • Anonymous

    This is very Natural Disaster in everywhere.everyone can not be control to stop it because its natural climate
    http://labs.cyber-systems.net/script/forum/vbulletin4/member.php?340660-Daniella

  • Damianussmith1

    This is very Natural Disaster in everywhere.everyone can not be control to stop it because its natural climate
    http://labs.cyber-systems.net/script/forum/vbulletin4/member.php?340660-Daniella

  • Anonymous

    @JoiquimCouteau:disqus ….Тhis is сrаzу…Мy friеnd`s sistеr mакеs 78/hr оn thе intеrnеt. Shе hаs bееn unеmрlоуеd fоr 11 mоnths but lаst mоnth hеr incоmе wаs 7985$ јust wоrкing оn thе РС fоr а fеw hоurs. Read about it here …….http://alturl.com/em2fa

  • Anonymous

    Redneck is as redneck does BUBBA.

  • Toninosmith

    I think that its very Natural Weather Gift by the God.
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111126005527AAB7qRy

  • Anonymous

    I think that its very Natural Weather Gift by the God.
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111126005527AAB7qRy

  • http://twitter.com/Sparky4Peace Candace McFarland

    I am starting to feel the same way.

  • http://twitter.com/Sparky4Peace Candace McFarland

    But don’t you see, if we do nothing we are contributing.  If we continue, we are destroying the planet by our wasteful capitalism.  Why make things that are obsolete in 6 months?  To put more money in the 1%’s pocket. What happens to all the obsolete products?  No resale value. Into the garbage.  We are filling our planet with toxins and bombing the rest into permanent explosives for the future.  You are worried about making a living, I understand. But there is a better way. http://www.TheWoodstockConspiracy.com

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    did you know that ionizing radiation creates ozone?

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    did you know that ionizing radiation creates ozone?

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient
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