• Anonymous

    It’s a fine idea, but if this were to become widespread,the results of the corporate meeting that would insue would probably be something like this:  1) a unique identifier in the postal return scan data that included the recipients address info and 2) a small clause in the legaleeze that said – any misuse of the return articles provided within this offer constitutes an act of mail fraud and an act of domestic terror against critical financial infrastructure.

  • Calypso_1

    It’s a fine idea, but if this were to become widespread, the results of the corporate meeting that would insue would probably be something like this:  1) a unique identifier in the postal return scan data that included the recipients address info and 2) a small clause in the legaleeze that said – any misuse of the return articles provided within this offer constitutes an act of mail fraud and domestic terror against critical financial infrastructure.

    • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

      You may be right and I certainly hope you are.

      The sooner we can take this entire corporatist system to a state of reductio ad absurdum, the sooner we can move on to something better.

      • Calypso_1

        You see wisely my friend – we must cripple their false Consciousness with levels of madness they’ve been too afraid to unveil.

        It’s too idiotic to be schizophrenic – Jung, in reference to Dadaism

      • Elmyr23

        don’t know latin but, non serviam.I will mail a few letters and no personal info will be in it, but let them spend the money to stop it. didn’t they take away the no call/spam mail list a few years ago. I would love a way to say no before getting all that spam mail.

    • Wehr18

      This person has a point — keep the personal identifiers out of the package and keep it anonymous. My system has been to collect a month’s worth and take them to the bank and jam them in their customer’s garbage can for shredding.  The return mailer idea is better, tho the only problem is that it takes an hour or so to create these return mailers.  

    • jandetlefsen

      Stop being so scared. If it’s legal for them to send it, then you can send it as well. They can write clauses on the junk mail as much as they want, at no point has the receiver of the junk agreed to them. In the same logic you could write clauses on them when you send it back.

      • Calypso_1

        [sigh]…  the only thing I fear is that my inner sense of mirth might be a trifle too wry for you to digest.

    • wademsroc

      I am VERY careful to make sure that there is NOTHING stuffed in those envelopes (even scratch out the barcode on the back of the envelope) that can idenify me or my location. I find it very satisfying.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Brilliant.

    Though I wouldn’t want to re-enclose the materials they sent me. Some evil banker may decide to issue you a credit card anyhow and that could cause problems.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Brilliant.

    Though I wouldn’t want to re-enclose the materials they sent me. Some evil banker may decide to issue you a credit card anyhow and that could cause problems.

    • Guester

      then take your name off the materials you send back.

      • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

        Right, that’s sort of my point.

  • Mamagriff50

    Allrighty then….great idea.

  • Mamagriff50

    Allrighty then….great idea.

  • Mr Willow

    If you are frequented by Jehova’s Witnesses, you could always throw a copy of the Watchtower in there as well. Those are about the size of on of those return envelopes, and it would be making (a perhaps ironic) statement, in that most of the message in relation to our societal ills is vaguely Christian anyhow—love thy neighbour, food and money to the poor, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, etc.

    Of course, the Watchtower is generally more concerned with the ‘impending eschatological calamity that will befall all but the believing when Christ returns. . . hope you’re ready’ message, and I certainly have no illusions that guilt would guide their actions anyway. To feel guilt, one would need a conscience. 

  • Mr Willow

    If you are frequented by Jehova’s Witnesses, you could always throw a copy of the Watchtower in there as well. Those are about the size of on of those return envelopes, and it would be making (a perhaps ironic) statement, in that most of the message in relation to our societal ills is vaguely Christian anyhow—love thy neighbour, food and money to the poor, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, etc.

    Of course, the Watchtower is generally more concerned with the ‘impending eschatological calamity that will befall all but the believing when Christ returns. . . hope you’re ready’ message, and I certainly have no illusions that guilt would guide their actions anyway. To feel guilt, one would need a conscience. 

    • vbrans

      I agree.But,while Jehova’s Witnesses are annoying, they are not actually christians.They do not believe jesus was the son of god.They do not believe in the “rapture”.They believe in some other bullshit.Still with you tho’

      • Jamie Cox

        If you read for yourself, the “Rapture” is not in the Bible anyways…

      • fubar

        They do believe jesus was the son of god btw
        Alot of people have ideas of them that arent true, they just hear it from some one else
        i personaly like them more than others seeing as how they are very anti war and enforce being content with just enough (Unlike the 1% lol). Not as bad as some people make them out to be.

    • Tawsvo

      i sent chase some bible seminar track thing that was left on my door, today.

  • EyeoftheAxis

    The resources used for junk mail is another thing. I don’t want them to cut down trees for paper. I don’t want them to put that paper litter in the little box in front of the house. And every day, for the sake of neatness, I have no choice but to collect it, and carry it out our back door to place in a different container. Shredding and using the postage paid envelopes to mail crap back to the senders whenever possible ( not just for banks and card offers) is also supporting the US postal workers. This is has been our way of upcycling junk mail for years. Rather than printing like they do I think a rubber stamp or marker would be better. Like the idea of adding ridged weight to the envelopes. Will send the spare machine parts or whatever junk around the house so they can build a giant robot consumer with 22.3 interest rate loan.

  • EyeoftheAxis

    The resources used for junk mail is another thing. I don’t want them to cut down trees for paper. I don’t want them to put that paper litter in the little box in front of the house. And every day, for the sake of neatness, I have no choice but to collect it, and carry it out our back door to place in a different container. Shredding and using the postage paid envelopes to mail crap back to the senders whenever possible ( not just for banks and card offers) is also supporting the US postal workers. This is has been our way of upcycling junk mail for years. Rather than printing like they do I think a rubber stamp or marker would be better. Like the idea of adding ridged weight to the envelopes. Will send the spare machine parts or whatever junk around the house so they can build a giant robot consumer with 22.3 interest rate loan.

  • Guester

    then take your name off the materials you send back.

  • http://twitter.com/irisphant iris

    I too have stuffed junk mail in postage paid envelopes for years in the hopes of postponing the closing of our local post office.
    Keep sending me these no postage necessary envelopes and I’ll keep stuffing the days’ rest of the junk and mail it back.

  • http://twitter.com/irisphant iris

    I too have stuffed junk mail in postage paid envelopes for years in the hopes of postponing the closing of our local post office.
    Keep sending me these no postage necessary envelopes and I’ll keep stuffing the days’ rest of the junk and mail it back.

  • http://twitter.com/irisphant iris

    I too have stuffed junk mail in postage paid envelopes for years in the hopes of postponing the closing of our local post office.
    Keep sending me these no postage necessary envelopes and I’ll keep stuffing the days’ rest of the junk and mail it back.

  • http://twitter.com/irisphant iris

    I too have stuffed junk mail in postage paid envelopes for years in the hopes of postponing the closing of our local post office.
    Keep sending me these no postage necessary envelopes and I’ll keep stuffing the days’ rest of the junk and mail it back.

    • Ironaddict06

      Close down all Post Offices.  Imagine all those polluters off the road all over America.
      E-mail are much cheaper&cleaner than Letters.
      And if you do need to mail something you have Fed-Ex or UPS, which is more efficent.

      • Elmyr23

        u.s. postal system is not allowed to compete with private companies, they could do it cheaper still. Last thing you want is to make mail a privilege. Prices would go up, also the u.s. postal system is one of the few money making parts of the government.

        • Gene65

          You have it backwards. It’s illegal for private individuals/companies to compete with the Post office by delivering first class mail. Just Google Lysander Spooner.

      • samthor

        no. some of us rely on the post office to make a living.  In my experience USPS  is cheaper and just as efficient as the alternatives.
        The thing is… the post office employs a great many people… which is why of course the republicans want to shut it down.

  • Ironaddict06

    Close down all Post Offices.  Imagine all those polluters off the road all over America.
    E-mail are much cheaper&cleaner than Letters.
    And if you do need to mail something you have Fed-Ex or UPS, which is more efficent.

  • Elmyr23

    u.s. postal system is not allowed to compete with private companies, they could do it cheaper still. Last thing you want is to make mail a privilege. Prices would go up, also the u.s. postal system is one of the few money making parts of the government.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Right, that’s sort of my point.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    You may be right and I certainly hope you are.

    The sooner we can take this entire corporatist system to a state of reductio ad absurdum, the sooner we can move on to something better.

  • Anonymous

    You see wisely my friend – we must cripple their false Consciousness with levels of madness they’ve been too afraid to unveil.

    It’s too idiotic to be schizophrenic – Jung, in reference to Dadaism

  • Elmyr23

    don’t know latin but, non serviam.I will mail a few letters and no personal info will be in it, but let them spend the money to stop it. didn’t they take away the no call/spam mail list a few years ago. I would love a way to say no before getting all that spam mail.

  • Ajwhi

    Good idea, strong views and morals. Peaceful protesting, this is what the Occupy Wallstreet movement is all about. Great job!

  • Ajwhi

    Good idea, strong views and morals. Peaceful protesting, this is what the Occupy Wallstreet movement is all about. Great job!

  • Anon

    yeah, i read “Steal This Book” too.

  • Anon

    yeah, i read “Steal This Book” too.

  • Fyjimojo

    This guy says the big banks caused the financial crisis.  Excuse me but we the people caused the financial crisis by signing on the dotted line for loans we should have known we could not pay back.  The banks aren’t our caretakers, nor should the government be.  The big banks weren’t holding a gun to our heads.  We should take responsibility for our actions rather than finding blame on others.

    I might suggest the best way to reduce this problem in the future is for our education system to add money management to our basic curriculum, since we live in a capitalist society.

    • MistaSteve

      Thanks for letting us know you watched Fox News in 2008. Google CDO and robo-signing foreclosure and get back to us. These loans were aggressively pushed and banks bear some responsibility for not loaning money to people they know are never going to pay it back. I sure wouldn’t sign on to do business with a bank if I knew they were throwing money around so wrecklessly. More importantly, banks built a house of cards on top of the mortgage market and leveraged investments 30 to 1.

      http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2008/09/how_mortgages_turned_into_a_tr.php

      This blame the victim bullshit, apart from being spiteful and tiresome, is just plain wrong.

      • vbrans

        We? hmm? I did not take out a shitty loan or mortgage.I do not even use banks.My property value still dropped and I still  had to take a pay cut, soooo….I guess I am taking responsibility for the big banks and lazy shitheels like you who would rather push paper around than get a job that actually produces something or benefits somebody.Also I suppose you mean the education system that right-wing trolls like you want to get rid of?

        • solar777

          Hmm… You don’t use banks, yet you are defending them?  That sounds really wacko.  How do you pay your bills?  Do you use money orders from the US Postal system?  Before you make some dumb remark like you did above, I do have a full-time job and I have paid off my loans.  That doesn’t mean I can’t understand when others are not as fortunate.  When a bank charges high double digit interest on a mortgage or credit card at a variable interest rate, it is setting up a system of failure.  Why would you defend that kind of exploitive behavior?  It doesn’t sound like you are a part of the top 1%, so why are you defending greed and exploitation?  Why are you defending financial practices that harm the country as a whole?

    • isupportOWS

      What you’re seeming to conveniently forget is that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac knowingly gave high risk loans and mortgages to people they knew couldn’t afford them. That makes them equally at fault. You cannot put the blame entirely on the ones that were trying to get the loans.

  • Fyjimojo

    This guy says the big banks caused the financial crisis.  Excuse me but we the people caused the financial crisis by signing on the dotted line for loans we should have known we could not pay back.  The banks aren’t our caretakers, nor should the government be.  The big banks weren’t holding a gun to our heads.  We should take responsibility for our actions rather than finding blame on others.

    I might suggest the best way to reduce this problem in the future is for our education system to add money management to our basic curriculum, since we live in a capitalist society.

  • MistaSteve

    Thanks for letting us know you watched Fox News in 2008. Google CDO and robo-signing foreclosure and get back to us. These loans were aggressively pushed and banks bear some responsibility for not loaning money to people they know are never going to pay it back. I sure wouldn’t sign on to do business with a bank if I knew they were throwing money around so wrecklessly. More importantly, banks built a house of cards on top of the mortgage market and leveraged investments 30 to 1.

    http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2008/09/how_mortgages_turned_into_a_tr.php

    This blame the victim bullshit, apart from being spiteful and tiresome, is just plain wrong.

  • StanChaz

    America used to work The people had work. The system worked. It was far, far, from perfect – but we all had some share in the struggles AND the rewards. But somewhere along the way, we lost our way. Because now we have an economy and a political system that works only for the rich. We need to get back to what America was, and what it should be, and what it can be.  Occupy Wall Street is no longer just  a place called  Zuccotti Park —  Zuccotti Park is everywhere. You can try to pen us in, you can take away our generators, you can beat us and arrest us, you can mace and tear-gas us , and you can try to “permit” us to death….but you can’t kill an idea.  You can’t keep down people’s hopes and dreams for a better life…..a life with dignity and freedom….for us, for our  kids. More power to Occupy Wall Street, as it spreads to every town and city  – because  OWS is us, and for us, and by us. With OWS America has found it’s voice, and it demands fairness and justice. This land IS your land! And we want it back! We want our lives back! We want our future back!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stan-Chaz/100002015710670 Stan Chaz

    America used to work The people had work. The system worked. It was far, far, from perfect – but we all had some share in the struggles AND the rewards. But somewhere along the way, we lost our way. Because now we have an economy and a political system that works only for the rich. We need to get back to what America was, and what it should be, and what it can be.  Occupy Wall Street is no longer just  a place called  Zuccotti Park —  Zuccotti Park is everywhere. You can try to pen us in, you can take away our generators, you can beat us and arrest us, you can mace and tear-gas us , and you can try to “permit” us to death….but you can’t kill an idea.  You can’t keep down people’s hopes and dreams for a better life…..a life with dignity and freedom….for us, for our  kids. More power to Occupy Wall Street, as it spreads to every town and city  – because  OWS is us, and for us, and by us. With OWS America has found it’s voice, and it demands fairness and justice. This land IS your land! And we want it back! We want our lives back! We want our future back!

  • Anonymous

    no. some of us rely on the post office to make a living.  In my experience USPS  is cheaper and just as efficient as the alternatives.
    The thing is… the post office employs a great many people… which is why of course the republicans want to shut it down.

  • Anonymous

    I agree.But,while Jehova’s Witnesses are annoying, they are not actually christians.They do not believe jesus was the son of god.They do not believe in the “rapture”.They believe in some other bullshit.Still with you tho’

  • Anonymous

    We? hmm? I did not take out a shitty loan or mortgage.I do not even use banks.My property value still dropped and I still  had to take a pay cut, soooo….I guess I am taking responsibility for the big banks and lazy shitheels like you who would rather push paper around than get a job that actually produces something or benefits somebody.Also I suppose you mean the education system that right-wing trolls like you want to get rid of?

  • Anonymous

    We? hmm? I did not take out a shitty loan or mortgage.I do not even use banks.My property value still dropped and I still  had to take a pay cut, soooo….I guess I am taking responsibility for the big banks and lazy shitheels like you who would rather push paper around than get a job that actually produces something or benefits somebody.Also I suppose you mean the education system that right-wing trolls like you want to get rid of?

  • guy fauXs

    Pretty clever lol Nickel and dime em to death

  • guy fauXs

    Pretty clever lol Nickel and dime em to death

  • Anonymous

    I have got a many Ideas for check a mail in the drop Box.We must Occupy the Wall street .

     http://acaithermo.net/?p=32

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamie-Cox/100001157042213 Jamie Cox

    If you read for yourself, the “Rapture” is not in the Bible anyways…

  • fubar

    They do believe jesus was the son of god btw
    Alot of people have ideas of them that arent true, they just hear it from some one else
    i personaly like them more than others seeing as how they are very anti war and enforce being content with just enough (Unlike the 1% lol). Not as bad as some people make them out to be.

  • http://eslevy17.hubpages.com/hub/ANZ-Internet-Banking ANZ internet banking

    Absolutely brilliant. If this becomes a major movement alongside Bank Transfer Day, they will either change or collapse.

  • http://eslevy17.hubpages.com/hub/ANZ-Internet-Banking ANZ internet banking

    Absolutely brilliant. If this becomes a major movement alongside Bank Transfer Day, they will either change or collapse.

  • Kservall

    I’ve been returning just the legal babble-babble page, and shredding my personal info that’s on the application. One comment mentioned that one bank puts this really ominous looking “tracking barcode” on the back of the return envelope, so they can (allegedly) monitor who’s doing what with the US Mail. I ignore it, and send it back anyway. I’m awaiting a call from these dweebs so I can say: “Oh, my bad. Send me another and I’ll try not to be so inept.” 

  • Kservall

    I’ve been returning just the legal babble-babble page, and shredding my personal info that’s on the application. One comment mentioned that one bank puts this really ominous looking “tracking barcode” on the back of the return envelope, so they can (allegedly) monitor who’s doing what with the US Mail. I ignore it, and send it back anyway. I’m awaiting a call from these dweebs so I can say: “Oh, my bad. Send me another and I’ll try not to be so inept.” 

  • Anonymous

    I think that this is the shameful time for the wall street.Do not Know that what is happening in the condition of wall street?
    http://jordanlieo.posterous.com/ways-of-obtaining-international-airline-ticke

  • Wehr18

    This person has a point — keep the personal identifiers out of the package and keep it anonymous. My system has been to collect a month’s worth and take them to the bank and jam them in their customer’s garbage can for shredding.  The return mailer idea is better, tho the only problem is that it takes an hour or so to create these return mailers.  

  • Anonymous

     I think that there are many ways to Protect the mail from wall Journal Occupied.
    http://acailipo.org/qvc-gift-cards-qvc-coupon-codes-qvc-discounts-promo-codes.html

  • Gene65

    You have it backwards. It’s illegal for private individuals/companies to compete with the Post office by delivering first class mail. Just Google Lysander Spooner.

  • Anonymous

     It is very good exercise for the Remove a stress from Minds.
    http://www.cantdecidebride.com/member.php?43213-Lawanda

  • Anonymous

    I think that it is Fantastic Idea to exercise a read the Mail to remove the stress and aggression.I want to ask to the question for handle the different type of wall street Journal mail.
     http://hdsocson.vn/member.php?15142-Lawanda

  • http://www.facebook.com/mardene3 Mardene Patton

    This is a great idea!!!

  • poptart

    This is a great idea!!!

  • http://twitter.com/bm_ Jan

    Stop being so scared. If it’s legal for them to send it, then you can send it as well. They can write clauses on the junk mail as much as they want, at no point has the receiver of the junk agreed to them. In the same logic you could write clauses on them when you send it back.

  • Anonymous

    [sigh]…  the only thing I fear is that my inner sense of mirth might be a trifle too wry for you to digest.

  • Tawsvo

    i sent chase some bible seminar track thing that was left on my door, today.

  • isupportOWS

    What you’re seeming to conveniently forget is that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac knowingly gave high risk loans and mortgages to people they knew couldn’t afford them. That makes them equally at fault. You cannot put the blame entirely on the ones that were trying to get the loans.

  • Anonymous

    Hmm… You don’t use banks, yet you are defending them?  That sounds really wacko.  How do you pay your bills?  Do you use money orders from the US Postal system?  Before you make some dumb remark like you did above, I do have a full-time job and I have paid off my loans.  That doesn’t mean I can’t understand when others are not as fortunate.  When a bank charges high double digit interest on a mortgage or credit card at a variable interest rate, it is setting up a system of failure.  Why would you defend that kind of exploitive behavior?  It doesn’t sound like you are a part of the top 1%, so why are you defending greed and exploitation?  Why are you defending financial practices that harm the country as a whole?

  • Anonymous

    I am VERY careful to make sure that there is NOTHING stuffed in those envelopes (even scratch out the barcode on the back of the envelope) that can idenify me or my location. I find it very satisfying.

  • Anonymous

     Basically we must always check a mail everyday for occupy wall street .
    http://www.texasinshorefishing.com/member.php?291715-Daniella

  • Zfjreports

    Pretty funny idea. Not because of all the OWS crap, because I think you’re all a bunch of fucking sheep. “Hey, let’s sit in a tent and sing protests about being the 99% because I don’t wanna go out and actually WORK for a living. Big Banks may be part of the problem, but it’s our OWN individual financial responsibility to not BORROW more than we can afford. It’s that simple. People today want things and want it now. Their sense of entitlement is overwhelming. You are all a bunch of nut-bags. If you can’t afford it, don’t buy it. If you want it, work for it. Nobody owes you a fucking thing. You don’t like big banks? Don’t buy a house. Don’t borrow their money. Don’t ever buy a car unless it’s with cash. Don’t ever just sit on your ass, whine about being the 99%, and expect them to fucking hand you something just because they have more money than you. Stand up and make your own money, bitch!

    On a side note, I’m going to send these envelopes back, just because it would be really annoying and funny thing to do. :)

  • Zfjreports

    Pretty funny idea. Not because of all the OWS crap, because I think you’re all a bunch of fucking sheep. “Hey, let’s sit in a tent and sing protests about being the 99% because I don’t wanna go out and actually WORK for a living. Big Banks may be part of the problem, but it’s our OWN individual financial responsibility to not BORROW more than we can afford. It’s that simple. People today want things and want it now. Their sense of entitlement is overwhelming. You are all a bunch of nut-bags. If you can’t afford it, don’t buy it. If you want it, work for it. Nobody owes you a fucking thing. You don’t like big banks? Don’t buy a house. Don’t borrow their money. Don’t ever buy a car unless it’s with cash. Don’t ever just sit on your ass, whine about being the 99%, and expect them to fucking hand you something just because they have more money than you. Stand up and make your own money, bitch!

    On a side note, I’m going to send these envelopes back, just because it would be really annoying and funny thing to do. :)

    • Andrew

      1) The OWS are not only or mainly protesting the cutting of entitlement programs.  This is obvious from a cursory look at their signs, and the frequent complaint that they don’t have a clear agenda.

      2) Many of the OWS protesters have jobs or money.  This is obvious because not all of them are living at the protest sites, and even members of the police and military have joined protests.

      3) There are not enough well paying jobs for everyone.  This is obvious to anyone who has looked for a job, has had to work more than one at a time, or looks at the real figures and rather than the cherry-picked disinformation belched up by Fox News.

      I agree with you about not buying things one cannot afford, however, which is why I don’t have a credit card.

  • Andrew

    1) The OWS are not only or mainly protesting the cutting of entitlement programs.  This is obvious from a cursory look at their signs, and the frequent complaint that they don’t have a clear agenda.

    2) Many of the OWS protesters have jobs or money.  This is obvious because not all of them are living at the protest sites, and even members of the police and military have joined protests.

    3) There are not enough well paying jobs for everyone.  This is obvious to anyone who has looked for a job, has had to work more than one at a time, or looks at the real figures and rather than the cherry-picked disinformation belched up by Fox News.

    I agree with you about not buying things one cannot afford, however, which is why I don’t have a credit card.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dl-Betty/1671975345 Dl Betty

    Send them back to the sender all of this type of mail, junk mail etc.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dl-Betty/1671975345 Dl Betty

    We have ours held at the PO and pick it up on Saturday then no one gets to our mail BOX but before it gets to the PO who knows