Libya, The Real Story

Bob Powell on AboveTopSecret.com’s The Truth Is Viral show claims that,

under orders from a cabal of international bankers, the CIA trained and equipped al-Qaeda terrorists and set them on a path of revolution that ended with a new Libyan Central Bank and the black flag of al-Qaeda flying over the Benghazi courthouse. Assisted by NATO forces and Qatari Army Soldiers and supplied with weapons by the Qataris, these al-Qaeda terrorists succeeded in removing the Libyan leader from power before brutally murdering him. Now, as the “legitimate” government of Libya, the NTC is waging a genocide against black Libyans, African guest workers, members of Gadaffi’s tribe, and his supporters.

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  • Mamagrff50

    What have we done???? Terrorists running Lybia. That is one of the worst things I have ever heard. I would like to ask Pres. Obama whats going on. If  this is all true “shame on the U.S.”

  • Mamagrff50

    What have we done???? Terrorists running Lybia. That is one of the worst things I have ever heard. I would like to ask Pres. Obama whats going on. If  this is all true “shame on the U.S.”

  • reubenavery

    This is all utter horseshit moonbat nuttery.  Oh look, it’s also another post by Majestic.

    • Irishpotatogun

      Majestic may be full of shit, but what exactly was inaccurate about the actual video?

    • MoralDrift

      if you believe the official story, then you sir, are a moonbat

  • Anonymous

    This is all utter horseshit moonbat nuttery.  Oh look, it’s also another post by Majestic.

  • lucidfer

    at least someone else can have a chance at fucking up a country.

  • lucidfer

    at least someone else can have a chance at fucking up a country.

  • RoboBagons

    Why shame the US? Who cares anymore, the US is going to take over, and I’d rather be on their side, than being on the receiving end. I think they ought to nuke the whole middle east, and get it over with already.

  • RoboBagons

    Why shame the US? Who cares anymore, the US is going to take over, and I’d rather be on their side, than being on the receiving end. I think they ought to nuke the whole middle east, and get it over with already.

    • MoralDrift

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    • JaceD

      You’re an idiot.

      Are you American? That’s a very American thing to say; ignorant, arrogant and with a hint of Nazi Germany thrown in.

  • Irishpotatogun

    Majestic may be full of shit, but what exactly was inaccurate about the actual video?

  • Anonymous

    if you believe the official story, then you sir, are a moonbat

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  • Svdsd

    Viva GadhafF

  • Svdsd

    Viva GadhafF

  • Anonymous

    You’re an idiot.

    And when the next major terrorist attack happends in America and Americans say “boo hoo feel sorry for us the terrorists got us again” Guess what the rest of the world is going to say?

    “Too fucking bad, it’s what you get!”

  • Jarel
    • JaceD

      That’s fucked up man, I’m a westerner and that makes me want to see the western world destroyed. That’s sick. Whats worse is that the western world does. not. care about these things happening.

      If anyone believes that the “Allies” beat the fascists in WW2 then they are sadly mistaken, we are the Fascists reincarnate, where the masses are ignorant and the Neo Hitlers of the world carry on the “subhuman” genocide.

      Bring on the global revolution, I’m so angry right now it’s unbelievable.

  • Jarel
  • Big T

    I would like the opinions of all here.  Why do we see all the Pan-Arab powerhouses of the past 30 years falling (except Saudi Arabia) who all persecuted Hizb ut-Tahrir and Muslim Brotherhood (both Pan-Isalmic) at one point or another?  Why is the West supporting the Pan-Islamic movement against national leaders who were helping fight the extremist Pan-Islamic groups?  Don’t tell me for human rights either.

    I’ve noticed that a lot of these groups have praised Turkey’s Prime Minister Tayyip Erdoğan.  It is looking more and more like the Powerhouse of the Middle East Islamic nations is going to be Turkey.

    • http://nakeddissidence.wordpress.com/ pointax

       Gadaffi was not a puppet anymore. He wanted a free libya, he didnt want to deal in dollars. A few years ago he was every countries buddy. What happened to that country and its people is repulsive.

      http://pointax.blogspot.com/

      • Big T

        Good point, but what of Egypt and Syria?  Why was Bahrain going to fall until the Saudi’s stepped in?  I think perhaps the West may have capitalized on it but perhaps didn’t start this whole thing.

        I looked at your blog.  I have to say on the heroin problem in Afghanistan that we tried to irradicate the poppy in the Helmand back in 2002-2005 and saw a huge uprising of violence by the locals.  When I was in Afghanistan I talked to some of the local elders where we were at and they told me “if I don’t have this poppy when the Taliban come to collect the harvest, they take my daughters and behead me…so I will fight you to save my family if you try to destroy my crop.”  Rough translation anyway.  We are in a quagmire concerning this, we don’t want to incite needless violence (at least at my ground level) and turn the population even farther against us.  Bottom line is, the root of the problem lies not in poppy.  We didn’t go to Afghanistan for the war on drugs.  You can argue several reasons why we went there, but that wasn’t it.

        • http://nakeddissidence.wordpress.com/ pointax

          I never said drugs was the main reason. Resources, strategic placement of military, and exerting influence in the region are main reasons we are over there.

          Color revolutions are started by our CIA. The arab spring is a western ploy to control eurasia. Egypt was no better off before because they are under military control. Never a good thing. And I also believe the saudi’s were pressured to step in on bahrain, to antagonize iran

          • Big T

            Interesting, it is very logical to assume that CIA started these, however, may I hear your reasons for thinking so?  I read it was a civil effort by CANVAS and was hijacked by the Muslim brotherhood and that the US just simply used it as best they could.  It doesn’t serve our best interest to oust Mubarak or Assad, it only destabilizes the region and threatens Israel’s somewhat secure boarders with those two historic threats.  If we are in bed with Israel why would we do this?  Much of the militant/violent members of the revolutions in both Syria, Bahrain and Libya were Pan-Islamic groups that historically work closely with the Iranian revolutionary guard.  If we are trying to empower Turkey and Iran then we are doing a great job (if CIA is responsible.)

            Strategic placement, power projection in regions is literally and openly why we keep all of our bases in any country.  If you are happier to place that influence in the hands of the members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization then you are free to believe that, but it would be devastating to all of Americans in the long run.

          • dumbsaint

            What’s that smell…

          • Big T

            Hey now dumbsaint, this is neither the time nor the place, we are solving the problems in the Middle East here…important work.

          • Calypso_1

            the smell of someone riding their light-bike under covers

          • Big T

            Is Calypso_1 your first, middle or last name?

          • Calypso_1

            One name  – that’s the point gunney - multiple personalities is a silly game

          • Big T

            There is no e in Gunny, and that is my rank not my personality.

          • http://nakeddissidence.wordpress.com/ pointax

            I believe alot of NGO’s are backed or at the very least counseled by intel agencies. The International Republican Institute, Open Society Institute, Freedom House, and other organizations have been backing activists for years. Freedom House in 2009 trained 16 Egyptian activists in a 2 or 3 month scholarship. There were no homegrown orgs that played a leading role in the revolts. The labor unions were funded and trained by the National Endowment for Democracy. Mubarak impeded US policy at times. Conflicts over Sudan is one example. When puppet dictators don’t play the game, they get punished.

            Israel is a whole other bag. The US is in bed with them, I believe, reluctantly. Israel wants to expand its borders and also has serious influence in Cairo, and has actually encouraged Mubarak regime to use the whole military might of Egyptian forces on civilian protesters.

            Which leads me to the point about strategic placement and such. If egypt for example was to become truly sovereign, it would cause a major regional as well as geo political shift, upsetting and crippling “interests” of the US, Israel, EU and NATO. Arab states would likely align. Making it difficult to expand US – Israeli influence.

            America is in the business of empire building. This action endangers every citizen. People who believe that terrorists hate us for our freedoms, turn a blind eye or are ignorant of how the world works. Israel is no friend to
            America, when policy makers talk of our interests, they mean other
            countries resources. I would rather build up defense, instead of being
            pre-emptive.

            This is fun! I love civil discourse. And this is honestly one of the better
            discussions i’ve had. Would love to read more of your opinions. What is
            your opinion on asia pacific policies going on now? Keep em coming!

          • Big T

            Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.  I agree with nearly all of your points, but still have questions looming over all of this.  What is the endgame for all of this strategic maneuvering?  If it is CIA driven in concert with civil groups, then are the Islamic groups such as the Arab league just coincidental co-belligerents?  We know the Obama administration backs these actions, we also know that both Shia dominated countries back them (Arab and non-Arab.)  The biggest loser in all of this other than the governments being over thrown is Israel.  Combine this with the current Administrations public statements about returning Israel to a 1967 status leads me to believe that perhaps the US gov’t has designs to change support from Israel to the nations of Islam.  Barak definitely favors Palestine over Israel’s desires.  Even if Obama is not a professing Muslim he sympathizes more with them then he does Jews.

            The timing behind the IAEA report and Israeli talks of military options for Iran seem very convenient for Israel if they are trying to bolster the existential threat card.  Perhaps this is an emergency action as Israel sees stable boarders deteriorating and the bid by the Palestinians (favored by nearly all) looking likely to pass unless the US vetoes it.  Which they must be hesitant to believe we will do for them as it will most definitely increase aggression against the US purely for the sake of Israel.  The lack of coverage in the media over the Palestinian bid has not gone unnoticed either, why are they trying to prevent this issue from being talked about by the “plebeians?”  Hope this generates a response from you as your opinions seem very solid.

          • http://nakeddissidence.wordpress.com/ pointax

            The end game is what it always has been. Appropriation of resources. Understand that Iran right now is head of OPEC, as well as one of the last technically sovereign nations on earth being that they are not in the grips of the IMF. Also the vast oil wealth and major influence it has in the middle east and with superpowers china and russia. This in my opinion, puts a giant target on its back. Ahmadinejad crushes dissent, that’s why the CIA has trouble setting up a color revolution in Iran. The people realized that the Sha was a puppet, that’s why he was overthrown.

            Israel I believe is doing all this saber rattling to distract from the fact, that its nations problems are getting out of hand. I’m sure you’ve been hearing about the protests. What better way to tell it’s people that money must be tight for the coming war effort. Also Israel might benefit from all this because it knows that the US and EU would intervene should war break out. Not because its a friendly nation but because it is politically expedient. Gotta get the jewish vote you know. All of this is scary because any intel official knows that in a conventional war Iran would crush Israel. And I believe Israel won’t hesitate to use its nuclear arsenal.

            The IAEA report says nothing. There are alot of maybes and possible’s a few ifs here and there. But nothing conclusive. It is a loooooong read, but I suggest you go over it with a fine tooth comb. I am about to go over it again to see if I missed anything.

            As for the Palestinian conflict, I believe as I said before that it’s all
            politically motivated. Any true coverage in the MSM would show Israel’s
            true colors. I find it odd that anyone would actually support apartheid,
            which again, in my opinion is what’s happening over there. The destruction
            of homes to make way for settlements is against international law. And
            Israel breaks those laws alot. They never signed the NPT, yet have an
            estimated 200 or more nukes.

            I hope I covered everything. If you find a statement wrong or odd let me
            know. Look forward to hear your thoughts. You raise questions the media
            should be asking.

          • Big T

            Great analysis as I suspected you would give.  I think we have our answer if for no other reason than that Russia and China vetoed the “condemning” of Assad’s regime at the Security Council (they know who is running this show.)

    • Calypso_1

      brotherhood of the spoon

      • Big T

        Too funny.

        • Calypso_1

          No humor, just information relevant to article and topic at hand.  You are talking geo-politics, pan-Arabism and pan-Islamic groups.  You mentioned Turkey’s rising star.  It has been suggested that the militant Islamic groups have al-Qaeda connections and you are making the connection to Iran.  I displayed a photo of some fighters from said groups in Libya who are flashing a very old Ottoman ‘gang’ sign….wanted to gauge your knowledge base and self-motivation for learning and information exchange on your noble quest for civil discourse. 

          • Big T

            Oh, I only looked at the picture long enough to see the spoon and thought that I got your joke.  My apologies.  I will be more aware of your depth in the future.

          • Big T

             One thing I feel obligated to mention is that the connection between Revolutionary Guard and Taliban is iron clad.  I cannot say too much about direct relations with Al-Qaeda and Iran, but the dot between the two seems to be the Taliban.

            I am not familiar with the Ottoman “gang” sign you speak of, but I am very curious if you care to expound.
            My only guess is that it has something to do with the old spoon lapping prayer.

  • Big T

    I would like the opinions of all here.  Why do we see all the Pan-Arab powerhouses of the past 30 years falling (except Saudi Arabia) who all persecuted Hizb ut-Tahrir and Muslim Brotherhood (both Pan-Isalmic) at one point or another?  Why is the West supporting the Pan-Islamic movement against national leaders who were helping fight the extremist Pan-Islamic groups?  Don’t tell me for human rights either.

    I’ve noticed that a lot of these groups have praised Turkey’s Prime Minister Tayyip Erdoğan.  It is looking more and more like the Powerhouse of the Middle East Islamic nations is going to be Turkey.

  • Anonymous

    That’s fucked up man, I’m a westerner and that makes me want to see the western world destroyed. That’s sick. Whats worse is that the western world does. not. care about these things happening.

    If anyone believes that the “Allies” beat the fascists in WW2 then they are sadly mistaken, we are the Fascists reincarnate, where the masses are ignorant and the Neo Hitlers of the world carry on the “subhuman” genocide.

    Bring on the global revolution, I’m so angry right now it’s unbelievable.

  • Anonymous

     Gadaffi was not a puppet anymore. He wanted a free libya, he didnt want to deal in dollars. A few years ago he was every countries buddy. What happened to that country and its people is repulsive.

    http://pointax.blogspot.com/

  • Big T

    Good point, but what of Egypt and Syria?  Why was Bahrain going to fall until the Saudi’s stepped in?  I think perhaps the West may have capitalized on it but perhaps didn’t start this whole thing.

    I looked at your blog.  I have to say on the heroin problem in Afghanistan that we tried to irradicate the poppy in the Helmand back in 2002-2005 and saw a huge uprising of violence by the locals.  When I was in Afghanistan I talked to some of the local elders where we were at and they told me “if I don’t have this poppy when the Taliban come to collect the harvest, they take my daughters and behead me…so I will fight you to save my family if you try to destroy my crop.”  Rough translation anyway.  We are in a quagmire concerning this, we don’t want to incite needless violence (at least at my ground level) and turn the population even farther against us.  Bottom line is, the root of the problem lies not in poppy.  We didn’t go to Afghanistan for the war on drugs.  You can argue several reasons why we went there, but that wasn’t it.

  • Anonymous

    I never said drugs was the main reason. Resources, strategic placement of military, and exerting influence in the region are main reasons we are over there.

    Color revolutions are started by our CIA. The arab spring is a western ploy to control eurasia. Egypt was no better off before because they are under military control. Never a good thing. And I also believe the saudi’s were pressured to step in on bahrain, to antagonize iran

  • Anonymous

    brotherhood of the spoon

  • Big T

    Interesting, it is very logical to assume that CIA started these, however, may I hear your reasons for thinking so?  I read it was a civil effort by CANVAS and was hijacked by the Muslim brotherhood and that the US just simply used it as best they could.  It doesn’t serve our best interest to oust Mubarak or Assad, it only destabilizes the region and threatens Israel’s somewhat secure boarders with those two historic threats.  If we are in bed with Israel why would we do this?  Much of the militant/violent members of the revolutions in both Syria, Bahrain and Libya were Pan-Islamic groups that historically work closely with the Iranian revolutionary guard.  If we are trying to empower Turkey and Iran then we are doing a great job (if CIA is responsible.)

    Strategic placement, power projection in regions is literally and openly why we keep all of our bases in any country.  If you are happier to place that influence in the hands of the members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization then you are free to believe that, but it would be devastating to all of Americans in the long run.

  • Big T

    Too funny.

  • Anonymous

    What’s that smell…

  • Big T

    Hey now dumbsaint, this is neither the time nor the place, we are solving the problems in the Middle East here…important work.

  • Anonymous

    I believe alot of NGO’s are backed or at the very least counseled by intel agencies. The International Republican Institute, Open Society Institute, Freedom House, and other organizations have been backing activists for years. Freedom House in 2009 trained 16 Egyptian activists in a 2 or 3 month scholarship. There were no homegrown orgs that played a leading role in the revolts. The labor unions were funded and trained by the National Endowment for Democracy. Mubarak impeded US policy at times. Conflicts over Sudan is one example. When puppet dictators don’t play the game, they get punished.

    Israel is a whole other bag. The US is in bed with them, I believe, reluctantly. Israel wants to expand its borders and also has serious influence in Cairo, and has actually encouraged Mubarak regime to use the whole military might of Egyptian forces on civilian protesters.

    Which leads me to the point about strategic placement and such. If egypt for example was to become truly sovereign, it would cause a major regional as well as geo political shift, upsetting and crippling “interests” of the US, Israel, EU and NATO. Arab states would likely align. Making it difficult to expand US – Israeli influence.

    America is in the business of empire building. This action endangers every citizen. People who believe that terrorists hate us for our freedoms, turn a blind eye or are ignorant of how the world works. Israel is no friend to
    America, when policy makers talk of our interests, they mean other
    countries resources. I would rather build up defense, instead of being
    pre-emptive.

    This is fun! I love civil discourse. And this is honestly one of the better
    discussions i’ve had. Would love to read more of your opinions. What is
    your opinion on asia pacific policies going on now? Keep em coming!

  • Jarel

    NATO-rebel atrocities in Libya: photo and video evidence
    http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=629346

  • Jarel

    NATO-rebel atrocities in Libya: photo and video evidence
    http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=629346

  • Anonymous

    the smell of someone riding their light-bike under covers

  • Big T

    Is Calypso_1 your first, middle or last name?

  • Anonymous

    One name  – that’s the point gunney - multiple personalities is a silly game

  • Anonymous

    No humor, just information relevant to article and topic at hand.  You are talking geo-politics, pan-Arabism and pan-Islamic groups.  You mentioned Turkey’s rising star.  It has been suggested that the militant Islamic groups have al-Qaeda connections and you are making the connection to Iran.  I displayed a photo of some fighters from said groups in Libya who are flashing a very old Ottoman ‘gang’ sign….wanted to gauge your knowledge base and self-motivation for learning and information exchange on your noble quest for civil discourse. 

  • Big T

    Oh, I only looked at the picture long enough to see the spoon and thought that I got your joke.  My apologies.  I will be more aware of your depth in the future.

  • Big T

    Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.  I agree with nearly all of your points, but still have questions looming over all of this.  What is the endgame for all of this strategic maneuvering?  If it is CIA driven in concert with civil groups, then are the Islamic groups such as the Arab league just coincidental co-belligerents?  We know the Obama administration backs these actions, we also know that both Shia dominated countries back them (Arab and non-Arab.)  The biggest loser in all of this other than the governments being over thrown is Israel.  Combine this with the current Administrations public statements about returning Israel to a 1967 status leads me to believe that perhaps the US gov’t has designs to change support from Israel to the nations of Islam.  Barak definitely favors Palestine over Israel’s desires.  Even if Obama is not a professing Muslim he sympathizes more with them then he does Jews.

    The timing behind the IAEA report and Israeli talks of military options for Iran seem very convenient for Israel if they are trying to bolster the existential threat card.  Perhaps this is an emergency action as Israel sees stable boarders deteriorating and the bid by the Palestinians (favored by nearly all) looking likely to pass unless the US vetoes it.  Which they must be hesitant to believe we will do for them as it will most definitely increase aggression against the US purely for the sake of Israel.  The lack of coverage in the media over the Palestinian bid has not gone unnoticed either, why are they trying to prevent this issue from being talked about by the “plebeians?”  Hope this generates a response from you as your opinions seem very solid.

  • Big T

     One thing I feel obligated to mention is that the connection between Revolutionary Guard and Taliban is iron clad.  I cannot say too much about direct relations with Al-Qaeda and Iran, but the dot between the two seems to be the Taliban.

    I am not familiar with the Ottoman “gang” sign you speak of, but I am very curious if you care to expound.
    My only guess is that it has something to do with the old spoon lapping prayer.

  • Big T

    There is no e in Gunny, and that is my rank not my personality.

  • Anonymous

    The end game is what it always has been. Appropriation of resources. Understand that Iran right now is head of OPEC, as well as one of the last technically sovereign nations on earth being that they are not in the grips of the IMF. Also the vast oil wealth and major influence it has in the middle east and with superpowers china and russia. This in my opinion, puts a giant target on its back. Ahmadinejad crushes dissent, that’s why the CIA has trouble setting up a color revolution in Iran. The people realized that the Sha was a puppet, that’s why he was overthrown.

    Israel I believe is doing all this saber rattling to distract from the fact, that its nations problems are getting out of hand. I’m sure you’ve been hearing about the protests. What better way to tell it’s people that money must be tight for the coming war effort. Also Israel might benefit from all this because it knows that the US and EU would intervene should war break out. Not because its a friendly nation but because it is politically expedient. Gotta get the jewish vote you know. All of this is scary because any intel official knows that in a conventional war Iran would crush Israel. And I believe Israel won’t hesitate to use its nuclear arsenal.

    The IAEA report says nothing. There are alot of maybes and possible’s a few ifs here and there. But nothing conclusive. It is a loooooong read, but I suggest you go over it with a fine tooth comb. I am about to go over it again to see if I missed anything.

    As for the Palestinian conflict, I believe as I said before that it’s all
    politically motivated. Any true coverage in the MSM would show Israel’s
    true colors. I find it odd that anyone would actually support apartheid,
    which again, in my opinion is what’s happening over there. The destruction
    of homes to make way for settlements is against international law. And
    Israel breaks those laws alot. They never signed the NPT, yet have an
    estimated 200 or more nukes.

    I hope I covered everything. If you find a statement wrong or odd let me
    know. Look forward to hear your thoughts. You raise questions the media
    should be asking.

  • Big T

    Great analysis as I suspected you would give.  I think we have our answer if for no other reason than that Russia and China vetoed the “condemning” of Assad’s regime at the Security Council (they know who is running this show.)

  • Razlin86

    US is a total puppet of Israel. US is nothing really. Israel us behind them all the time.

    • http://nakeddissidence.wordpress.com/ pointax

      Sadly you are pretty much right. They pull alot of strings, not all but enough.