Occupy Toronto Says “Thank You” to Police?

LetterThis letter has been seen circulating amongst protesters at Occupy Toronto. As the camp faces the possibility of eviction, some of the occupiers have been seen toting stacks of letters and handing them out to police on the camp’s perimeter.

Some protesters are irked over the fact that the letter was not passed through any General Assembly while others are pleased to see “the viewpoint of the reasonable” achieve a seat of prominence in the public eye, as some mainstream news media have broadcast the letter on the 6 o’clock news.

The question to be asked is, does this letter help or hurt the movement?

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  • hdcase

    mrow

  • Anonymous

    wow what a crazy story, it should really be posted! ;)

  • Anonymous

    I like how the note says it’s author can only speak for him/herself, but ends with “On behalf of the residents of St. James Park…”

  • RoboKy

    I like how the note says it’s author can only speak for him/herself, but ends with “On behalf of the residents of St. James Park…”

  • Anonymous

    Help.  Definitely help.  This will definitely help.

    But it’s only a necessary gesture–not a completely sufficient gesture in and of itself.

    The problem is that cops are by nature top-down thinkers, even if their practical interests align with the 99% instead of the bankster flunkies they’re being made to churn flesh for.  Cops need specialy encouragement to drop the bullsh*t us-them mentality they’re being fed, tone down the overly simplistic tribal cr*p.  Stuff like this letter is a very important gambit in lowering the tensions that would otherwise inevitably lead to carnival-esque puppet shows like we saw in the ’60′s.

    The next steps will be for their leaders OUTSIDE the current service structures to step in and assert moral leadership.  The retiree Philadelphia cop cited by Wiltshire at this link is a good beginning.

    http://disinfo.com/2011/11/retired-philadelphia-police-captain-ray-lewis-slammed-nypd-conduct-on-occupywallstreet-video/

    Maybe guys like this will organize in order to make their message more nationally influential.  Cops are in desparate need of independant and thoughtful moral leadership.  Something sadly lacking for many years now at the top of most forces.

    Hopefully, in time the political activists will smell the coffee and realize that in order to avoid being marginalized and brutalized they’ll have to start treating the cops like the rest of the 99% they always claim they are.  Maybe by pushing legislation to protect cops from becoming politicized.

    http://dystopiadiaries.blogspot.com/2011/11/who-will-protect-protectors.html

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Help.  Definitely help.  This will definitely help.

    But it’s only a necessary gesture–not a completely sufficient gesture in and of itself.

    The problem is that cops are by nature top-down thinkers, even if their practical interests align with the 99% instead of the bankster flunkies they’re being made to churn flesh for.  Cops need special encouragement to drop the bullsh*t us-them mentality they’re being fed, tone down the overly simplistic tribal cr*p.  Stuff like this letter is a very important gambit in lowering the tensions that would otherwise inevitably lead to carnival-esque puppet shows like we saw in the ’60′s.

    The next steps will be for their leaders OUTSIDE the current service structures to step in and assert moral leadership.  The retiree Philadelphia cop cited by Wiltshire at this link is a good beginning.

    http://www.disinfo.com/2011/11/retired-philadelphia-police-captain-ray-lewis-slammed-nypd-conduct-on-occupywallstreet-video/

    Maybe guys like this will organize in order to make their message more nationally influential.  Cops are in desparate need of independent and thoughtful moral leadership.  Something sadly lacking for many years now at the top of most forces.

    Hopefully, in time the political activists will smell the coffee and realize that in order to avoid being marginalized and brutalized they’ll have to start treating the cops like the rest of the 99% they always claim they are.  Maybe by pushing legislation to protect cops from becoming politicized.

    http://dystopiadiaries.blogspot.com/2011/11/who-will-protect-protectors.html

  • Jin Onikoroshi

    Hinder. But of course what do i know, i only live in toronto- so i know what toronto police are ACTUALLY like.
    must have been some disgruntled NDP’er, who screams and shouts about cdn identity and multi culturalism (the 2 echo chambers of canadian politics)  but really has NO idea what that means to POC and aboriginal peoples.

  • Jin The Ninja

    Hinder. But of course what do i know, i only live in toronto- so i know what toronto police are ACTUALLY like.
    must have been some disgruntled NDP’er, who screams and shouts about cdn identity and multi culturalism (the 2 echo chambers of canadian politics)  but really has NO idea what that means to POC and aboriginal peoples.

    this always seems to happen with activists in canada, happened during the g20 and it’s happening again. unacceptable to not be at least discussed in the GA.

    • padraig hundt

      it is only because of the peaceful and benevolent nature of the Occupiers that these blatant propagandists were able to distribute this letter at all, they knew they would meet no opposition, lackeys and cowards, this kind of betrayal still makes me cry sometimes

      • hdcase

        what? explain!

    • Guest

      I think it’s important that the police know that there will be a place for them in the revolution and its aftermath. If they don’t know that, the good ones will never feel comfortable supporting occupy, and it won’t succeed.

      • Jin The Ninja

        bullshit. it’s more important that the people who are policepersons do not engage in violence against citizens. The good ones, few and far between, will not be complicit in the suppression by the state of political protest. If they don’t understand that, i hope they learn, but this letter was a subversive tactic used by left-lites to co-opt the message of occupy. i am in favour of non violence, but you do NOT issue a message without democratic consent in a horizontally organised group. It negates the entire movement, and as i mentioned, this was also done during G20, by ‘mainstream’ activists like Maude Barlow and Naomi Klein, while i respect both of them, they allowed dissent to be divisive, and splintered the message. The police are not our allies in this.

  • padraig hundt

    it is only because of the peaceful and benevolent nature of the Occupiers that these blatant propagandists were able to distribute this letter at all, they knew they would meet no opposition, lackeys and cowards, this kind of betrayal still makes me cry sometimes

  • http://www.facebook.com/jess.hurst1 Jess Hurst

    At Occupy Huntington, I was very grateful for the police presence two blocks down. When drunk rowdy people leaving the bar would try to bother us, they always responded promptly and they never bothered us when we marched or protested. The county prosecutor even came down and told us how to avoid getting arrested, and said that he agreed with us. “The man” in his local incarnation was really not very troublesome.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jess.hurst1 Jess Hurst

    At Occupy Huntington, I was very grateful for the police presence two blocks down. When drunk rowdy people leaving the bar would try to bother us, they always responded promptly and they never bothered us when we marched or protested. The county prosecutor even came down and told us how to avoid getting arrested, and said that he agreed with us. “The man” in his local incarnation was really not very troublesome.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    A little of both really. Its good that people see that there are plenty of polite, well-intentioned, earnest people protesting…and that they aren’t consumed with opposition or abiding hatred, but with a mutual love of country and people, and a desire to stand up and improve the existences of both.

    But in another sense it does show division in the ranks, and differing visions…but to me…freedom to differ is among the core concepts of the entire Occupy movement…so any theoretical harm to the cause can’t have been all that great, can it?

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    A little of both really. Its good that people see that there are plenty of polite, well-intentioned, earnest people protesting…and that they aren’t consumed with opposition or abiding hatred, but with a mutual love of country and people, and a desire to stand up and improve the existences of both.

    But in another sense it does show division in the ranks, and differing visions…but to me…freedom to differ is among the core concepts of the entire Occupy movement…so any theoretical harm to the cause can’t have been all that great, can it?

    • Jin The Ninja

      i dunno. i agree with what you say. dissent is good! but democracy also means consensus. strikes me as odd, someone wouldn’t raise this as a voting issue at the general assembly.  this also strikes me as terribly canadian which is not a compliment.

  • 1–99%er

    I think that in the end it will come down to either the police uphold the constitution and the law despite what their superiors ‘command’ them to do or murder their fellow countrymen in the name of following orders.  It is obvious that the “superiors” are taking their orders from corrupt, law-less, corporate elected and paid, politicians and neither the “superiors’, nor the politicians or corporate talking-heads, are there on the firing line in person, but commit their crimes behind closed doors claiming innocence under the guise of protecting personal property and pursuing an “honest” profit under the law. When,in reality, those laws were tweaked by illegal bribes (in the disguise of campaign contributions) and backroom deals to protect them from what is ethically and morally in line,with the spirit of the constitution and with what is best for the country and it’s citizens.
    If you are a police officer and you read this, perhaps you should make a decision now Murder, or Disobedience, how far are you willing to go to protect criminals because you were told to do so?

  • 1–99%er

    I think that in the end it will come down to either the police uphold the constitution and the law despite what their superiors ‘command’ them to do or murder their fellow countrymen in the name of following orders.  It is obvious that the “superiors” are taking their orders from corrupt, law-less, corporate elected and paid, politicians and neither the “superiors’, nor the politicians or corporate talking-heads, are there on the firing line in person, but commit their crimes behind closed doors claiming innocence under the guise of protecting personal property and pursuing an “honest” profit under the law. When,in reality, those laws were tweaked by illegal bribes (in the disguise of campaign contributions) and backroom deals to protect them from what is ethically and morally in line,with the spirit of the constitution and with what is best for the country and it’s citizens.
    If you are a police officer and you read this, perhaps you should make a decision now Murder, or Disobedience, how far are you willing to go to protect criminals because you were told to do so?

  • 1–99%er

    I think that in the end it will come down to either the police uphold
    the constitution and the law despite what their superiors ‘command’ them
    to do or murder their fellow countrymen in the name of following
    orders.  It is obvious that the “superiors” are taking their orders from
    corrupt, law-less, corporate elected and paid, politicians and neither
    the “superiors’, nor the politicians or corporate talking-heads, are
    there on the firing line in person, but commit their crimes behind
    closed doors claiming innocence under the guise of protecting personal
    property and pursuing an “honest” profit under the law. When,in reality,
    those laws were tweaked by illegal bribes (in the disguise of campaign
    contributions) and backroom deals to protect them from what is ethically
    and morally in line,with the spirit of the constitution and with what
    is best for the country and it’s citizens.
    If you are a police
    officer and you read this, perhaps you should make a decision now
    Murder, or Disobedience, how far are you willing to go to protect
    criminals because you were told to do so? 
    You took an oath to uphold the law and the constitution.  The constitution provides for peaceful protest, and the law is clear, if someone attempts to get you to disobey a law, it is your duty to refuse, a crime not to, and the attempt is a crime of ‘conspiracy’. Being you have sworn an oath it is your duty to arrest the offending party whether it is your superior or not.

  • 1–99%er

    I think that in the end it will come down to either the police uphold
    the constitution and the law despite what their superiors ‘command’ them
    to do or murder their fellow countrymen in the name of following
    orders.  It is obvious that the “superiors” are taking their orders from
    corrupt, law-less, corporate elected and paid, politicians and neither
    the “superiors’, nor the politicians or corporate talking-heads, are
    there on the firing line in person, but commit their crimes behind
    closed doors claiming innocence under the guise of protecting personal
    property and pursuing an “honest” profit under the law. When,in reality,
    those laws were tweaked by illegal bribes (in the disguise of campaign
    contributions) and backroom deals to protect them from what is ethically
    and morally in line,with the spirit of the constitution and with what
    is best for the country and it’s citizens.
    If you are a police
    officer and you read this, perhaps you should make a decision now
    Murder, or Disobedience, how far are you willing to go to protect
    criminals because you were told to do so? 
    You took an oath to uphold the law and the constitution.  The constitution provides for peaceful protest, and the law is clear, if someone attempts to get you to disobey a law, it is your duty to refuse, a crime not to, and the attempt is a crime of ‘conspiracy’. Being you have sworn an oath it is your duty to arrest the offending party whether it is your superior or not.

  • Anonymous

    what? explain!

  • Guest

    I think it’s important that the police know that there will be a place for them in the revolution and its aftermath. If they don’t know that, the good ones will never feel comfortable supporting occupy, and it won’t succeed.

  • Jin Onikoroshi

    bullshit. it’s more important that the people who are policepersons do not engage in violence against citizens. The good ones, few and far between, will not be complicit in the suppression by the state of political protest. If they don’t understand that, i hope they learn, but this letter was a subversive tactic used by left-lites to co-opt the message of occupy. i am in favour of non violence, but you do NOT issue a message without democratic consent in a horizontally organised group. It negates the entire movement, and as i mentioned, this was also done during G20, by ‘mainstream’ activists like Maude Barlow and Naomi Klein, while i respect both of them, they allowed dissent to be divisive, and splintered the message. The police are not our allies in this.

  • Jin Onikoroshi

    i dunno. i agree with what you say. dissent is good! but democracy also means consensus. strikes me as odd, someone wouldn’t raise this as a voting issue at the general assembly.  this also strikes me as terribly canadian which is not a compliment.

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  • Anonymous

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