• Toxiczen

    daring them to try harder…

  • Toxiczen

    daring them to try harder…

  • Toxiczen

    daring them to try harder…

  • Toxiczen

    daring them to try harder…

  • Anonymous

    Wow I think Occupy Wall Street can now say it has been killed, not from external forces but from the protesters themselves.

  • JaceD

    Wow I think Occupy Wall Street can now say it has been killed, not from external forces but from the protesters themselves.

    Obviously the point of the clip is to discredit the protesters, but they do a pretty good job of discrediting themselves.

  • letsblaze

    I can’t watch this in Canada apparently, is there somewhere else I can find this?

  • letsblaze

    I can’t watch this in Canada apparently, is there somewhere else I can find this?

  • trish

    I’m in Canada so I can’t see the video either, but according to the livestreams, OWS is alive and well.

  • trish

    I’m in Canada so I can’t see the video either, but according to the livestreams, OWS is alive and well.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/ZYCERIN Zycerin

     O.o  …wow.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/ZYCERIN Zycerin

     O.o  …wow.

  • Richie (Australia)

    Don’t use video services that block other countries for copyright bullshit PLEASE! It is infuriating!

  • Richie (Australia)

    Don’t use video services that block other countries for copyright bullshit PLEASE! It is infuriating!

  • Mr Willow

    Saw this last night, and was taken aback by the segregation that had taken place. 

    I imagine it was all a gradual thing, something that was entirely unintended—which could be said of many negative aspects of human interaction—and that is not to be dismissive. In some ways, it could have been a sign the enclave should have been dissolved voluntarily (of course, the whole clip is somewhat irrelevant now, anyway, considering everyöne has been forcibly removed), that the movement as a whole should move past the encampment structure, for everyöne present there to go home for a month or so—while still staying in touch and holding minor demonstrations—ruminate on the experience of being there, the words that were said, the ideas expressed, the values espoused. 

    Afterward, perhaps, they should reconvene—in a month or so—with more complete ideas concerning their experience with the social structures they were developing and participating in, with a more sound method of gaining a consensus from not only the individuals present, but the supporters they have garnered, who cannot physically be at any of the various occupations, and a method by which such a separation could not take place. It might involve a council, the members chosen at random, each only holding their positions for the span of a week or so, which could be involved with the managing of ideas expressed, the hearing of the various concerns many of those present will most certainly have. 

    In the end, this does nothing to dilute the overall message of the Occupy movement, nor does it entirely discredit those present at Wall Street, and it certainly should not deter those who still wish for the fairly idealistic views of the Occupiers to be enacted (because if nothing else it would be a platform or loose framework for the rebuilding of society after the inevitable collapse for lack of action by our representatives or a violent reaction to poor action by our representatives). All it exhibits is a reluctance on the part of even those hoping for an immense change in our relations to give up certain aspects of current relations. . . or it displays a fundamental aspect of human nature for people to separate into little groups, and that no matter the setting, there will always be the social proclivity for some to view themselves as better than others. 

    Above all, a complete restructure of society will be a marathon, not a sprint. 

  • Mr Willow

    Saw this last night, and was taken aback by the segregation that had taken place. 

    I imagine it was all a gradual thing, something that was entirely unintended—which could be said of many negative aspects of human interaction—and that is not to be dismissive. In some ways, it could have been a sign the enclave should have been dissolved voluntarily (of course, the whole clip is somewhat irrelevant now, anyway, considering everyöne has been forcibly removed), that the movement as a whole should move past the encampment structure, for everyöne present there to go home for a month or so—while still staying in touch and holding minor demonstrations—ruminate on the experience of being there, the words that were said, the ideas expressed, the values espoused. 

    Afterward, perhaps, they should reconvene—in a month or so—with more complete ideas concerning their experience with the social structures they were developing and participating in, with a more sound method of gaining a consensus from not only the individuals present, but the supporters they have garnered, who cannot physically be at any of the various occupations, and a method by which such a separation could not take place. It might involve a council, the members chosen at random, each only holding their positions for the span of a week or so, which could be involved with the managing of ideas expressed, the hearing of the various concerns many of those present will most certainly have. 

    In the end, this does nothing to dilute the overall message of the Occupy movement, nor does it entirely discredit those present at Wall Street, and it certainly should not deter those who still wish for the fairly idealistic views of the Occupiers to be enacted (because if nothing else it would be a platform or loose framework for the rebuilding of society after the inevitable collapse for lack of action by our representatives or a violent reaction to poor action by our representatives). All it exhibits is a reluctance on the part of even those hoping for an immense change in our relations to give up certain aspects of current relations. . . or it displays a fundamental aspect of human nature for people to separate into little groups, and that no matter the setting, there will always be the social proclivity for some to view themselves as better than others. 

    Above all, a complete restructure of society will be a marathon, not a sprint.  Certainly, there will be inadequacies in the methods used to bring them into practice. The challenge is to fix the problems that have been identified, and to move forward.

    • Toxiczen

      i think, if i recall correctly the “occupy wall street” thing came about as a result of the “anonymous” group. i saw a video of them stating it would happen before it began.

      • Mr Willow

        Well, for the months leading up to it, Anon posted a few videos concerning non-violent revolution (you can look at this site’s back-logs for most of them), and there were plenty of people at Wall Street sporting Guy Fawkes masks—not to mention the whole ‘leaderless, autonomous collective’ sentiment has been a feature in a majority of Anon videos—so they might have struck a chord with people. 

        If you’re trying to suggest they organised everything, I would remain skeptical. Not because I would necessarily put it past them, or because I doubt they could, but because all the videos were a call for action, not so much directions said action should follow. 

        • Toxiczen

          no, i dont think that is there style… i think they just planted the seeds as it were…

  • Anonymous

    Two thoughts on this. Either its a hit piece in disguise or it just proves that OWS is nothing more than a bunch of hipsters perpetuating the”revolution” meme. Either way it goes to show how silly this movement has become. For god’s sake, they do their planning in a wall st. establishment! I support the idea with all my heart but this hardly shows solidarity in the movement.

    It looks to me to be another color revolution. And we all know that the CIA under the guise of NGO’s pulled the strings on those. I hope i am wrong, and this just proves that Stewart is nothing more than a mouth for the establishment, (which goes without saying).

    If it is just a bunch of elitist hipster puds, then you can keep your movement and i will support something else. Maybe when they start occupying Fannie and Freddy. At least occupy DC raises valid points. They had a great segment on the deficit on C-SPAN. Still….. will be cautiously optimistic and hope they get it together.

    http://pointax.blogspot.com/

  • http://nakeddissidence.wordpress.com/ pointax

    Two thoughts on this. Either its a hit piece in disguise or it just proves that OWS is nothing more than a bunch of hipsters perpetuating the”revolution” meme. Either way it goes to show how silly this movement has become. For god’s sake, they do their planning in a wall st. establishment! I support the idea with all my heart but this hardly shows solidarity in the movement.

    It looks to me to be another color revolution. And we all know that the CIA under the guise of NGO’s pulled the strings on those. I hope i am wrong, and this just proves that Stewart is nothing more than a mouth for the establishment, (which goes without saying).

    If it is just a bunch of elitist hipster puds, then you can keep your movement and i will support something else. Maybe when they start occupying Fannie and Freddy. At least occupy DC raises valid points. They had a great segment on the deficit on C-SPAN. Still….. will be cautiously optimistic and hope they get it together.

    http://pointax.blogspot.com/

  • Toxiczen

    i think, if i recall correctly the “occupy wall street” thing came about as a result of the “anonymous” group. i saw a video of them stating it would happen before it began.

  • Putt-Putt Goes to the MOON

    Wow did any of you guys even read the title?? This is classic divide and conquer propaganda. I was just visiting occupy wall street 2 weekends ago. I was only there for 2 nights but I definitely did not notice ANY segregation what-so-ever. There are just different sides for different activities and everyone is welcome. As far as making big decisions goes, EVERYONE is welcome to attend those meetings and it is promated in the GA at all the occupations. All  big decisions need at 90 percent voted on agreeance in the GA. This is a leaderless movement. Come on people, and I thought the disinfo readers were smarter than the mainstream media hugger folk.

  • Putt-Putt Goes to the MOON

    Wow did any of you guys even read the title?? This is classic divide and conquer propaganda. I was just visiting occupy wall street 2 weekends ago. I was only there for 2 nights but I definitely did not notice ANY segregation what-so-ever. There are just different sides for different activities and everyone is welcome. As far as making big decisions goes, EVERYONE is welcome to attend those meetings and it is promated in the GA at all the occupations. All  big decisions need at 90 percent voted on agreeance in the GA. This is a leaderless movement. Come on people, and I thought the disinfo readers were smarter than the mainstream media hugger folk.

  • Putt-Putt Goes to the MOON

    As a follow up to that – whenever you gather large groups of people, there are bound to be idiots among them and unfortunately whenever big news comes to do interveiws they seek the idiots out like gold.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5M4L5B7FXCQXLTDYCIQ4GMYNTI Potter

       The Daily Show is “big news”?  I’m pretty sure it’s comedy.  Those people are comedians, not reporters.

  • Putt-Putt Goes to the MOON

    As a follow up to that – whenever you gather large groups of people, there are bound to be idiots among them and unfortunately whenever big news comes to do interveiws they seek the idiots out like gold.

  • Mr Willow

    Well, for the months leading up to it, Anon posted a few videos concerning non-violent revolution (you can look at this site’s back-logs for most of them), and there were plenty of people at Wall Street sporting Guy Fawkes masks—not to mention the whole ‘leaderless, autonomous collective’ sentiment has been a feature in a majority of Anon videos—so they might have struck a chord with people. 

    If you’re trying to suggest they organised everything, I would remain skeptical. Not because I would necessarily put it past them, or because I doubt they could, but because all the videos were a call for action, not so much directions said action should follow. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5M4L5B7FXCQXLTDYCIQ4GMYNTI Potter

     The Daily Show is “big news”?  I’m pretty sure it’s comedy.  Those people are comedians, not reporters.

  • padraig hundt

    Who pulled the video. Discuss

  • padraig hundt

    Who pulled the video. Discuss

  • padraig hundt

    Who pulled the video. Discuss

  • whereismymind?

    i enjoyed the interview with the hipster fuck with the “ipad 2.”  although his argument about personal “possessions” (though he incorrectly labeled it as “property”) vs. property was dead on, it is absolutely absurd that you have this “conscious revolutionary” using an overpriced commodity that only enriches the capitalists–at the expense of workers in china, and the us workers who are coerced into purchases.  it should be about negating property to the point where one cannot distinguish between “personal,” “private,” and the “commons.”  this is why the ows requires more theory.  i’ve noticed many only want to attack banks and corporate bribery of politicians, and yet, they do not attack the root of the social/systemic problems: capitalism.  to eliminate the contradictions of society, we are required to transcend the institutions (including the government) that produce the antagonisms, and through transcendence both opposing parties of the dialectic are negated.

  • whereismymind?

    i enjoyed the interview with the hipster fuck with the “ipad 2.”  although his argument about personal “possessions” (though he incorrectly labeled it as “property”) vs. property was dead on, it is absolutely absurd that you have this “conscious revolutionary” using an overpriced commodity that only enriches the capitalists–at the expense of workers in china, and the us workers who are coerced into purchases.  it should be about negating property to the point where one cannot distinguish between “personal,” “private,” and the “commons.”  this is why the ows requires more theory.  i’ve noticed many only want to attack banks and corporate bribery of politicians, and yet, they do not attack the root of the social/systemic problems: capitalism.  to eliminate the contradictions of society, we are required to transcend the institutions (including the government) that produce the antagonisms, and through transcendence both opposing parties of the dialectic are negated.

  • Toxiczen

    no, i dont think that is there style… i think they just planted the seeds as it were…

  • Theravenslizard

    Actually OWS had a major breakthrough and is working with Dr. Virgil Wood who worked with MLK 50 years ago on his unfinished dream.  and they are going to bring it back from what i heard.