Your Thoughts on “Thrive”

THRIVE is an unconventional documentary that lifts the veil on what’s REALLY going on in our world by following the money upstream — uncovering the global consolidation of power in nearly every aspect of our lives. Weaving together breakthroughs in science, consciousness and activism, THRIVE offers real solutions, empowering us with unprecedented and bold strategies for reclaiming our lives and our future.

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  • Drlechter

    The revolution will not be televised, but maybe it will be on facebook and twitter.

    When lala land takes up arms and pigs fly

    Get real, read some Chris Hedges or something

  • Drlechter

    The revolution will not be televised, but maybe it will be on facebook and twitter.

    When lala land takes up arms and pigs fly

    Get real, read some Chris Hedges or something

  • YouKidsGetOffMyLawn

    Why do the aliens always have to leave us coded information in random geometric patterns? Because we are not worthy of the message if we can’t figure it out? Or perhaps they don’t have the equivalent of a Rosetta Stone on that ship of theirs? Why do there have to be aliens in order for us to thrive? Why can’t we do it for ourselves? I am not waiting for Jebus or the aliens…as far as I am concerned, they both get an F on their intervention report cards.   

    • mt

      1. the patterns are not “random”; math/geometry is a universal language.
      2. I don’t think “worthy” is the right word to use but perhaps life in the universe is more abundant than most people would like to think, and the visitors set up this kind of game to see which species make it to join them among the stars?

      “Why do there have to be aliens in order for us to thrive? Why can’t we do it for ourselves?”

      it seems to me that for us to do it ourselves is their “hope”, but time is running out so things are getting more complex

  • YouKidsGetOffMyLawn

    Why do the aliens always have to leave us coded information in random geometric patterns? Because we are not worthy of the message if we can’t figure it out? Or perhaps they don’t have the equivalent of a Rosetta Stone on that ship of theirs? Why do there have to be aliens in order for us to thrive? Why can’t we do it for ourselves? I am not waiting for Jebus or the aliens…as far as I am concerned, they both get an F on their intervention report cards.   

  • GoodDoktorBad

    Being highly interested in alternative and clean energy sources, I am all for any legitimate attempt at breaking the dependence on commercialized energy distribution. 

    There is something about the way this video is produced and the David Icke thing, which, while always entertaining, sorta throws a wet blanket on its credibility, maybe…
    It just has that creepy info-mercial feel to it. I keep waiting for the sales pitch. Do they accept Discover or just Visa-Mastercard?

    • Adam

      Which has always been the problem with any form or method of “consciousness-expansion”: eventually the path to enlightenment gets co-opted by cranks and con-men, it’s just human nature.  Actually, I think an essential part of waking up to the “reality of the situation” is recognizing how easily exploitable that process of waking up is, and making sure to cover your own ass, spiritually and financially speaking.

      And that is why I’m a solo practitioner. :)

      • GoodDoktorBad

        Ah yes, solo practitioner. Thy own road lies before thee…

  • Anonymous

    Being highly interested in alternative and clean energy sources, I am all for any legitimate attempt at breaking the dependence on commercialized energy distribution. 

    There is something about the way this video is produced and the David Icke thing, which, while always entertaining, sorta throws a wet blanket on its credibility, maybe…
    It just has that creepy info-mercial feel to it. I keep waiting for the sales pitch. Do they accept Discover or just Visa-Mastercard?

  • mt

    1. the patterns are not “random”; math/geometry is a universal language.
    2. I don’t think “worthy” is the right word to use but perhaps life in the universe is more abundant than most people would like to think, and the visitors set up this kind of game to see which species make it to join them among the stars?

    “Why do there have to be aliens in order for us to thrive? Why can’t we do it for ourselves?”

    it seems to me that for us to do it ourselves is their “hope”, but time is running out so things are getting more complex

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    This may just be my own weird thought, but to me it has always seemed the powers that be were always destined to fail. Whether they were brilliant and knew their evil was necessary for global transformation, or stupid enough to believe they could really dominate and control every aspect of a constantly mutating world, or stupid enough to believe they could survive in the long run after they choked the human spirit to near extinction, they have always been destined to fail. Or maybe their existence and actions is just a natural reaction to the dramatic changes coming to humanity. Who knows?

    Whatever it is, how it all pans out depends on how people act (the bubbles are starting to show up in the pot, but its going to be interesting once its a full boil).

    • Redcar1

      Well phrased. 

    • simple drawing

      They will turn on each other eventually, its the nature of greed. 

    • GoodDoktorBad

      Defiantly worthy of the space cadet award, bravo!
      What’s weird is that I’m writing a short story that parallels some of your “weird thoughts”. It’s sort of a pre -post apocalyptic play by play from one mans perspective…
      If I ever get published, for the record I didn’t steal the idea from you….lol  

      • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

        wouldnt mind even if you did, not sure if i even believe that there can be such a thing as a “stolen” idea

    • Tinytemper

      The problem is, they haven’t failed yet.  They still run the show.  Until they actually do “fail”, this is all just nice talk, nothing more.  The threat still remains.

      • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

        All very true, showing how patience to some extremes can be more of a curse than a virtue

        • as

          interesting that you say that. I remember writing a poem more than a decade ago with a line in it that said “patience is a curse”.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    This may just be my own weird thought, but to me it has always seemed the powers that be were always destined to fail. Whether they were brilliant and knew they’re evil was necessary for global transformation, or stupid enough to believe they could really dominate and control every aspect of a constantly mutating world, or stupid enough to believe they could survive in the long run after they choked the human spirit to near extinction, they have always been destined to fail. Or maybe their existence and actions is just a natural reaction to the dramatic changes coming to humanity. Who knows?

    Whatever it is, how it all pans out depends on how people act (the bubbles are starting to show up in the pot, but its going to be interesting once its a full boil).

  • FinancialGenius500

    A very heavy hitting movie.  They really need to take the last act (20 minutes or so) and make a new movie based on these ideas.  There is a brilliant amalgamation of ideas here, but so much time is spent on monetary conspiracy (that makes you feel icky), that the ending seems rushed and incomplete.

  • FinancialGenius500

    A very heavy hitting movie.  They really need to take the last act (20 minutes or so) and make a new movie based on these ideas.  There is a brilliant amalgamation of ideas here, but so much time is spent on monetary conspiracy (that makes you feel icky), that the ending seems rushed and incomplete.

  • FinancialGenius500

    A very heavy hitting movie.  They really need to take the last act (20 minutes or so) and make a new movie based on these ideas.  There is a brilliant amalgamation of ideas here, but so much time is spent on monetary conspiracy (that makes you feel icky), that the ending seems rushed and incomplete.

  • JUSSSS

    mmmmm  WELL  A FEW POINT OF INTEREST :                                                                                  .  1    DID YOU KNOW WHO THIS GUY IS?????         PROCTEL &GAMBLE FAMILY             .   2   IS HE TALKING ABOUT COMPANIES TAKING IT ALL ???                                                          .   3    THE MOVIE COVER IS TOTALLY MASON, THE EYE THE BUE COLOR AND THE FINGER SIGN. INVESTIGATE PLEASE. A GUY FROM A EMPORIUM TALKING ABOUT THIS????????  WORRY ABOUT US???? BS

    • Scott6000

      Bull$hit

  • JUSSSS

    mmmmm  WELL  A FEW POINT OF INTEREST :                                                                                  .  1    DID YOU KNOW WHO THIS GUY IS?????         PROCTEL &GAMBLE FAMILY             .   2   IS HE TALKING ABOUT COMPANIES TAKING IT ALL ???                                                          .   3    THE MOVIE COVER IS TOTALLY MASON, THE EYE THE BUE COLOR AND THE FINGER SIGN. INVESTIGATE PLEASE. A GUY FROM A EMPORIUM TALKING ABOUT THIS????????  WORRY ABOUT US???? BS

  • Suki

    This is so slick and transparent, I’m embarassed that people will take this for anything other than what it is; a ploy to get you to believe the rogue “new age” elite (think Jamie Johnson and the Buffet kid coming out on Oprah) like Foster Gamble, are to be our saviours. Oh please!

    • Patrick

      Well, I don’t think there was any mention of human saviors. I do respect your arguement though, I have thought this myself numerous times, about false hope. But I do believe only PEOPLE can change the world we live in. Who gives a fuck who they are, as long as their intentions clear. It’s an alpha male society, so be it. If you don’t like these “saviors”, become one yourself!!!! :D

  • Suki

    This is so slick and transparent, I’m embarassed that people will take this for anything other than what it is; a ploy to get you to believe the rogue “new age” elite (think Jamie Johnson and the Buffet kid coming out on Oprah) like Foster Gamble, are to be our saviours. Oh please!

  • Redcar1

    Well phrased. 

  • simple drawing

    They will turn on each other eventually, its the nature of greed. 

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  • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

    I was immediately turned off by the “Secret’ness” of the whole thing.  Didn’t we just go through this with an extendend infomercial for solipsism and low level magic?  Also seeing Nassim Haramein and Steven Greer (MegaCranks) featured in the trailer made me throw up in my mouth (just a little bit).  Anyone who has investigated their “research” discovers that the new ager’s have their own plethora of con men ready willing and able to suck up as much money from the “terminally gullible” as they can manage.  

    To then see them lumped in with authentic scholars and proponents for exposing the sickening reality of how the Federal Reserve cartel’s actually dominate and enslave mankind set off my guilt by association alarm as well.  

    To be fair I have to watch the whole film but the initial trailer again just looks and sounds like yes an infomercial (who ever said that nailed it on the head) and the fact that they are trying to associate “free energy”, “alien intervention”, and exposing and Ending the Fed all into one over glossed package and that this is already being posted by friends who should know better all over facebook is an unfortunate sign of the power of this particular feel good shite to manipulate/motivate it’s propagation.

    At least the reality of the FED is seeping into even the most heavily shielded and “Secretized” eyes of the new age masses, I just hope it isn’t dismissed as an alien conspiracy and expected that we must wait for just the right crop circle to give us the plan to remove it from our collective consciousnesses.

    I recently posted this article on Nassim Haramein’s facebook group and was promptly banned for daring to question the pony tailed guru of the moment as to his real credentials.  I will post it up and look forward to a challenge to his “extraordinary claims” hopefully culminating in his debunking in front of the various “delegates” who naievely suck up his material while not considering that there may be no substance supporting his wishful thinking and slick presentations.  Enjoy and thanks Aaron Dames for getting this convo going.  

    Bob-A-Thon challenges Nassim Haramein’s theories:
    http://azureworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/nassim-haramein-fraud-or-sage-part-2.html

    Nassim’s response:
    http://theresonanceproject.org/letter-to-dr-bob-a-thon

    and finally Bob’s response (Nassim has not answered)
    http://azureworld.blogspot.com/2010/07/nassims-response-to-bobathon.html

    It’s a bit to wade through but if you want to expose the would be “physics” version of James Ray before another group of wide eyed new agers ends up horribly deflated/dehydrated by his vaudeville metaphysician and company , slinging free energy snake oil than please push forward.

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      These are the kinda things i like to call Madness Generators. They mix just enough real fact, and absolute nonsense together, putting forth a convincing reality system for people to tinker with(somewhat aside, it reminds me of the Assassins Creed mythos, the difference being, this movie is being presented as fact).

      I agree that it makes me uneasy that they mix speakers known for being ridiculous with other quality speakers that know what they are talking about. It makes me think that they used the dishonest trick that “What the Bleep Do We Know”, where real quality scientists were used to augment a worldview that they themselves did not agree with. Unfortunately though, I’m roped in, I gotta actually see it to be able to justify my critiques….

  • Camron Wiltshire

    I was immediately turned off by the “Secret’ness” of the whole thing.  Didn’t we just go through this with an extendend infomercial for solipsism and low level magic?  Also seeing Nassim Haramein and Steven Greer (MegaCranks) featured in the trailer made me throw up in my mouth (just a little bit).  Anyone who has investigated their “research” discovers that the new ager’s have their own plethora of con men ready willing and able to suck up as much money from the “terminally gullible” as they can manage.  

    To then see them lumped in with authentic scholars and proponents for exposing the sickening reality of how the Federal Reserve cartel’s actually dominate and enslave mankind set off my guilt by association alarm as well.  

    To be fair I have to watch the whole film but the initial trailer again just looks and sounds like yes an infomercial (who ever said that nailed it on the head) and the fact that they are trying to associate “free energy”, “alien intervention”, and exposing and Ending the Fed all into one over glossed package and that this is already being posted by friends who should know better all over facebook is an unfortunate sign of the power of this particular feel good shite to manipulate/motivate it’s propagation.

    At least the reality of the FED is seeping into even the most heavily shielded and “Secretized” eyes of the new age masses, I just hope it isn’t dismissed as an alien conspiracy and expected that we must wait for just the right crop circle to give us the plan to remove it from our collective consciousnesses.

    I recently posted this article on Nassim Haramein’s facebook group and was promptly banned for daring to question the pony tailed guru of the moment as to his real credentials.  I will post it up and look forward to a challenge to his “extraordinary claims” hopefully culminating in his debunking in front of the various “delegates” who naievely suck up his material while not considering that there may be no substance supporting his wishful thinking and slick presentations.  Enjoy and thanks Aaron Dames for getting this convo going.  

    Bob-A-Thon challenges Nassim Haramein’s theories:
    http://azureworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/nassim-haramein-fraud-or-sage-part-2.html

    Nassim’s response:
    http://theresonanceproject.org/letter-to-dr-bob-a-thon

    and finally Bob’s response (Nassim has not answered)
    http://azureworld.blogspot.com/2010/07/nassims-response-to-bobathon.html

    It’s a bit to wade through but if you want to expose the would be “physics” version of James Ray before another group of wide eyed new agers ends up horribly deflated/dehydrated by his vaudeville metaphysician and company , slinging free energy snake oil than please push forward.

  • Adam

    Which has always been the problem with any form or method of “consciousness-expansion”: eventually the path to enlightenment gets co-opted by cranks and con-men, it’s just human nature.  Actually, I think an essential part of waking up to the “reality of the situation” is recognizing how easily exploitable that process of waking up is, and making sure to cover your own ass, spiritually and financially speaking.

    And that is why I’m a solo practitioner. :)

  • JZesbaugh

    Makes one think, if nothing else.  I think it genuinely addresses the need for people in mass to do something to improve their individual lives.  People have an easier time doing that if there is a “boogy man” they need to work against.  Bankers make good boogy men.

  • JZesbaugh

    Makes one think, if nothing else.  I think it genuinely addresses the need for people in mass to do something to improve their individual lives.  People have an easier time doing that if there is a “boogy man” they need to work against.  Bankers make good boogy men.

  • Patrick

    Well, I don’t think there was any mention of human saviors. I do respect your arguement though, I have thought this myself numerous times, about false hope. But I do believe only PEOPLE can change the world we live in. Who gives a fuck who they are, as long as their intentions clear. It’s an alpha male society, so be it. If you don’t like these “saviors”, become one yourself!!!! :D

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    These are the kinda things i like to call Madness Generators. They mix just enough real fact, and absolute nonsense together, putting forth a convincing reality system for people to tinker with(somewhat aside, it reminds me of the Assassins Creed mythos, the difference being, this movie is being presented as fact).

    I agree that it makes me uneasy that they mix speakers known for being ridiculous with other quality speakers that know what they are talking about. It makes me think that they used the dishonest trick that “What the Bleep Do We Know”, where real quality scientists were used to augment a worldview that they themselves did not agree with. Unfortunately though, I’m roped in, I gotta actually see it to be able to justify my critiques….

  • Anonymous

    Ah yes, solo practitioner. Thy own road lies before thee…

  • Anonymous

    Defiantly worthy of the space cadet award, bravo!
    What’s weird is that I’m writing a short story that parallels some of your “weird thoughts”. It’s sort of a pre -post apocalyptic play by play from one mans perspective…
    If I ever get published, for the record I didn’t steal the idea from you….lol  

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    wouldnt mind even if you did, not sure if i even believe that there can be such a thing as a “stolen” idea

  • Tinytemper

    The problem is, they haven’t failed yet.  They still run the show.  Until they actually do “fail”, this is all just nice talk, nothing more.  The threat still remains.

  • Marc

    I Loved the movie (mind you, I actually watched it, unlike half of the commenters so far…) I’ve been waiting for this movie for many many years : a movie you can give grandma, or anyone unfamiliar with “conspiracy” type info & not have them completely reject it. This movie is not for people who are familiar with these topics, this is for n00bs, 100%. & yet they leave almost nothing out (chemtrails) & the movie is very tastefully done, not to induce panic in the clueless viewer. Ive had friends crying up a storm about the 30,000$ soros – adbusters connection & claim #ows is an illuminati construct. Nothing is going to be 100% truth to 100% of people… To those insulting this movie (some without even having watched it) Have you made a better one ? I guess it might be a credit to the readers of this site: not liking to follow, perhaps, but I feel this movie brings conspiracy views into the mainstream & this movie is obviously well thought out & well made & it is very hard to not take this film vey seriously. Its been out a few weeks & there have already been 2 major public viewings in my town. It’s a wonderful development. Peace&Love!

    • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

      I dunno Marc.  You are taking a very cheery attitude towards the inclusion of known cranks dispensing inoperable theories as a panacea for the coming reality check.  If that is a wonderful development perhaps you can enlighten me as to what that might be?  Again this fits the bill of disinfo, guilt by association, let’s include real threats like a. The Fed and b. Chemtrails and wrap them in the same “wet blanket” of free energy theorizing (with abjectly misunderstood/calculated physics) and talk of alien involvement via crop circles etc so that the truth is diluted by the lie and those who would eventually come into some awareness of the real truth’s will not unavoidably be sold the lie at the same time.  Clever disinfo from the heir of a massive pharmaceutical company hmmm….. yeah nothing smells fishy here at all.  Ok I will take notes on the film, I will make it a drinking game, for every logical fallacy I will take a shot and if my liver survives the two hours I will report back.  Pray for me.

      • Drlechter

        I admit I haven’t watched it, but just had a knee jerk reaction to it as I do to Alex Jones etc. It was good to here from others some specifics as to the disinfo hints, besides the obvious guilt by association  that the inclusion of someone like Icke adds. 

        I am surprised Bill stills and Catherine Fitts agreed to be in it, they are both serious and I would think they would know how this kind of thing can be played by the corporate press to destroy there credibility and the issues (that are rock sollid) that they raise.

        So will I, like Camron Wiltshire, suffer through it and take notes, as I have done through Allex jones garbage, to figure out the disinfo angle, or trust my gut and not waste the time?

        • Drlechter

          Just to be clear; Allex Jones has many serious people on the show and raises perhaps even mostly serious real issues, but his main function is to defame those issues and destroy there credibility by mixing them in with absolute fantasy, or as his documentaries have done, presenting them as sourced from some out of print science fiction, rather than current serious investigative journalists who have covered the same issues in books with footnotes and checkable sources.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you, being that you cited Jones for lack of sourcing, would you then be able to provide examples supporting your own argument?

      • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

        the Ickes and the Chopras of the movie were very miniscule in comparison to the rest of the movie, and they were in no way speaking of their own crank-viewpoints.

        It was definitely focusing mostly on the monetary system, but it does mention the control of health via money and pharmaceuticals.

        All in all, the movie starts out in space, slowly touches earth and presents some good information for a while, then takes off at the end for some optimistic sky-talk. I still think it was a worthwhile watch. (keep in mind. there is no such thing as perfection, and if you decide anything that as low as 80% good is useless, you’re going to live an .. interesting.. life)

        • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

          I agree with your appraisal.   I’m about 85% through now. Perhaps they started with the fluff (Nassim/Greer) to lure in those who may be avoiding the reality of what is on our doorstep.  I’m surprised as they are broaching many topics at once which I never expected given the way the film started off.  Glad to hear them discussing 9/11 as a false flag, the reality of the Fed, Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan banker cartels and tentacles extending into all manner of dominance including Agribusiness, Education, Media consolidation and more.  As long as it’s not set up as a means to discredit the very real topics at some later date then I must say I would advise they offer a new release minus the Nassim and Greer disinfo  and applaud them for bringing up the reality of Eugenics, the NWO and more.  I’ve still got 30 minutes to go so as long as they don’t pull a massive 180 I would agree with many here who see this as an overall positive film, I just detest the inclusion of known cranks at the opening of the film.   Interesting as this film manages to touch on the most popular memes and find a way to mix the styling of the secret with the conspiracy culture which without seeing made me retch but now I can see how those late adapters may need this type of presentation to make peace with the horrid reality they’ve avoided, ignored or missed out on understanding until now.  Interesting and unexpected development.  Let’s see how this plays out.  Will we see a stream of books from the various new age publishers (sounds true, etc) now promoting the reality of the Fed, GMO, Chemtrails and more on shelves next to the countless books hocking manifesting abundance?  This is a cross pollination I can dig.  I just hope along with it comes realization of the necessity of trivium education as a requirement for mental emancipation and reclamation of our intellectual sovereignty.  

      • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

        I’m not trying to be rude but as we evolve and understand the level of propaganda must also extend it’s hand to recapture as many “noobs” as you put it.  I have high expectations of humanity, but we must first learn to discern what is and is not in our service.  I will watch Thrive this weekend and let you know what I think. I would appreciate your opinion once you have reviewed the points in my previous post, particularly involving the fraudulent nature of Nassim Haramein’s “research” and it’s central focus in the film and iconography of the film and how this might be cause for concern given the very real nature of other aspects of the film.   Best wishes.

        The links are on a my post below.

  • Marc

    I Loved the movie (mind you, I actually watched it, unlike half of the commenters so far…) I’ve been waiting for this movie for many many years : a movie you can give grandma, or anyone unfamiliar with “conspiracy” type info & not have them completely reject it. This movie is not for people who are familiar with these topics, this is for n00bs, 100%. & yet they leave almost nothing out (chemtrails) & the movie is very tastefully done, not to induce panic in the clueless viewer. Ive had friends crying up a storm about the 30,000$ soros – adbusters connection & claim #ows is an illuminati construct. Nothing is going to be 100% truth to 100% of people… To those insulting this movie (some without even having watched it) Have you made a better one ? I guess it might be a credit to the readers of this site: not liking to follow, perhaps, but I feel this movie brings conspiracy views into the mainstream & this movie is obviously well thought out & well made & it is very hard to not take this film vey seriously. Its been out a few weeks & there have already been 2 major public viewings in my town. It’s a wonderful development. Peace&Love!

  • Camron Wiltshire

    I dunno Marc.  You are taking a very cheery attitude towards the inclusion of known cranks dispensing inoperable theories as a panacea for the coming reality check.  If that is a wonderful development perhaps you can enlighten me as to what that might be?  Again this fits the bill of disinfo, guilt by association, let’s include real threats like a. The Fed and b. Chemtrails and wrap them in the same “wet blanket” of free energy theorizing (with abjectly misunderstood/calculated physics) and talk of alien involvement via crop circles etc so that the truth is diluted by the lie and those who would eventually come into some awareness of the real truth’s will not unavoidably be sold the lie at the same time.  Clever disinfo from the heir of a massive pharmaceutical company hmmm….. yeah nothing smells fishy here at all.  Ok I will take notes on the film, I will make it a drinking game, for every logical fallacy I will take a shot and if my liver survives the two hours I will report back.  Pray for me.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    All very true, showing how patience to some extremes can be more of a curse than a virtue

  • Scott6000

    Bull$hit

  • Scott6000

    Bull$hit

  • as

    interesting that you say that. I remember writing a poem more than a decade ago with a line in it that said “patience is a curse”.

  • as

    interesting that you say that. I remember writing a poem more than a decade ago with a line in it that said “patience is a curse”.

  • RT

    Wasn’t impressed. This film was clearly made by persons with no real scientific background or knowledge who try to dazzle the viewer with a lot of strange words and pretty graphics. It is pseudoscientific gobbledygook passed off as science. It is very well-made and will definitely appeal to a lot of highly credulous, intellectually lazy, easily-impressed people with poor critical thinking skills.

    • Monkey See Monkey Do

      The scientific institution isn’t spared from corruption and propaganda. Well educated scientists who dare to challenge the status quo or zeitgeist of our age are quickly ostracised, and if they persist they often have their career’s intentionally ruined.

      The world’s political and economic system is extremely sick and that flows onto every aspect of humanity. All in all its a systemic problem.

      Although not in all cases but generally if a new idea favours the economic system its labelled as Protoscience, if it challenges the system its labelled as Pseudoscience.

    • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

      Your comments apply well to the first 45 minutes the later portion though I do find significant evidence to support the reality of the machinations of the Fed, intrusive surveilance, GMO poisoning etc.  I wonder if they just wanted to inspired the new age crowd with enough honey to create momentum for the medicine (later half).  

      • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

        That is cause for concern though as unfortunately it would bring the legitimacy of the other portions into greater scrutiny and potential “well poisoning” doubt of the whole.  Not sure what their angel is just yet.  I was banned on Nassim’s facebook group for daring to expose his nonsense. I will have to try the Thrive group and see how I fare there.  

      • Monkey See Monkey Do

        I’m too busy to watch this doco (and the intro gave me an infomercial vibe so i just didnt bother) . What in the first 45 minutes do you classify as pseudoscience?

        • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

          Everything espoused by Nassim Haramein and Stephen Greer.  To get into the details as to why Nassim’s “research” is in disrepute please google “Nassim Haramein Fraud or Sage” and read through the description of his truly fraudulent and misleading behavior regarding, one his credentials, and two his level of scientific literacy.  

          In the film, no one elucidates any plausible science, rather it is all alluded to and we are given the confirmatory belief of Mr. Gamble’s repeated assurances soley as a reason to believe in anything that follows.  Sadly there very well may be truly enlightening/empowering science by studying the structure of Sacred Geometry and the flower of life in terms of an energetic system, but like all things it must hew closely to the scientific method and must be able to be tested, reproduced in an experiment by independent scientists.  What is given instead is feel good utopianism and fancy graphics. Nassim is not peer reviewed (though he claims to be) lacks a basic understanding of fundamental axioms of physics, and deliberately cultivates fundraising from laymen with no scientific training to become his “delegates”, and “emissaries” thus producing “fundraising” for his “research” through exploitation and charismatic chicanery.   Steven Greer also typifies this behavior. The portions after the first 45 I have addressed above.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Thanks for your thoughts. Have you heard of Amit Goswami? If so, what do you think of his ideas?

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            I will look into him.  The name sounds familiar but I don’t know anything about him.  Please fill me in :)

  • RT

    Wasn’t impressed. This film was clearly made by persons with no real scientific background or knowledge who try to dazzle the viewer with a lot of strange words and pretty graphics. It is pseudoscientific gobbledygook passed off as science. It is very well-made and will definitely appeal to a lot of highly credulous, intellectually lazy, easily-impressed people with poor critical thinking skills.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Quinn/1329786336 John Quinn

    I watched the movie, and was equally put off by the “infomercial” esthetics and the too-easy science, but I’m not willing to trash it for that, I think it was quite fine, despite my disagreements. After all, the important thing right now is to wake a critical mass of people up to the manipulations (and self-manipulations) that dominate us, and this film has the best overview for beginners of the greatest hoodwink of them all–the Fed/Monetary System–that I’ve seen since the first two Zeitgeist movies, so credit where credit is due. 

    I’m sad to see a lot of bile in the comments here…. Icke, for example. I know it is fashionable now to knock the guy, but it is also a bit too easy. Yes, he is always ready to jump at the looniest possible theory (reptilians, hollow earth, etc.), but let’s face it: the guy is a brilliant communicator and motivator. Let’s not forget that we owe him a debt for, among other things, having formulated “Problem-Reaction-Solution,” a very effective and easy means to explain to clueless people how one of the world’s oldest military strategies works, and why false flag operations are not only real, but common. He is also brilliant on describing how compartmentalization functions and why it is so effective. His writings on consciousness are actually rather good. I prefer to get a kick out of Icke’s wackier side and appreciate what he brings to the table that is good. So many people who believe they have “woken up” are still caught up in a left-right, us-them paradigm, except now, instead of Democrat vs. Republican, it’s “real awakening” vs. “false awakening,” or whatever. We have learned that our certitudes were conditioned, programmed, and wrong–but immediately we latch on to new certitudes. Where things like crop circles are concerned, for example, very few are willing to remain with doubt and mystery–either they cry “it proves ETs are real!” or they scoff “Hoax!”–but deep and earnest research provides a better answer: we truly don’t know. Rather than trying to solve the mystery–and thus “conquer” it–why not simply embrace it and let it be a mystery? Personally, I find that wisdom begins with knowing that we know nothing … but then, what the hell would I know?  

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      People forget that we all were walking different dreams, so they think we can all expect to wake them up the same way they did. They figure out 5% of the mess, and think everyone else has to learn that 5% forgetting that many others have figured out a completely different 10%…

      Edit: Just watched it myself, and I think I need to apologize for a little of the bile that I helped supply, just a knee jerk reaction to certain people(of which these people did not supply anything that needed arguing against). I thought it was great. It was a cross section analysis of many many many of the problems, and it looks like it was designed to be a quality introduction to all of these.

      • Andrew

        Very good point!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Quinn/1329786336 John Quinn

        Bingo.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Quinn/1329786336 John Quinn

    I watched the movie, and was equally put off by the “infomercial” esthetics and the too-easy science, but I’m not willing to trash it for that, I think it was quite fine, despite my disagreements. After all, the important thing right now is to wake a critical mass of people up to the manipulations (and self-manipulations) that dominate us, and this film has the best overview for beginners of the greatest hoodwink of them all–the Fed/Monetary System–that I’ve seen since the first two Zeitgeist movies, so credit where credit is due. 

    I’m sad to see a lot of bile in the comments here…. Icke, for example. I know it is fashionable now to knock the guy, but it is also a bit too easy. Yes, he is always ready to jump at the looniest possible theory (reptilians, hollow earth, etc.), but let’s face it: the guy is a brilliant communicator and motivator. Let’s not forget that we owe him a debt for, among other things, having formulated “Problem-Reaction-Solution,” a very effective and easy means to explain to clueless people how one of the world’s oldest military strategies works, and why false flag operations are not only real, but common. He is also brilliant on describing how compartmentalization functions and why it is so effective. His writings on consciousness are actually rather good. I prefer to get a kick out of Icke’s wackier side and appreciate what he brings to the table that is good. So many people who believe they have “woken up” are still caught up in a left-right, us-them paradigm, except now, instead of Democrat vs. Republican, it’s “real awakening” vs. “false awakening,” or whatever. We have learned that our certitudes were conditioned, programmed, and wrong–but immediately we latch on to new certitudes. Where things like crop circles are concerned, for example, very few are willing to remain with doubt and mystery–either they cry “it proves ETs are real!” or they scoff “Hoax!”–but deep and earnest research provides a better answer: we truly don’t know. Rather than trying to solve the mystery–and thus “conquer” it–why not simply embrace it and let it be a mystery? Personally, I find that wisdom begins with knowing that we know nothing … but then, what the hell would I know?  

  • Drlechter

    I admit I haven’t watched it, but just had a knee jerk reaction to it as I do to Alex Jones etc. It was good to here from others some specifics as to the disinfo hints, besides the obvious guilt by association  that the inclusion of someone like Icke adds. 

    I am surprised Bill stills and Catherine Fitts agreed to be in it, they are both serious and I would think they would know how this kind of thing can be played by the corporate press to destroy there credibility and the issues (that are rock sollid) that they raise.

    So will I, like Camron Wiltshire, suffer through it and take notes, as I have done through Allex jones garbage, to figure out the disinfo angle, or trust my gut and not waste the time?

  • Static

    This movie was funded by the author of agenda 21…

    • arcadia11

      finally.  a reality check.  thank you.

  • Static

    This movie was funded by the author of agenda 21…

  • vallsack

    From this trailer and the description, it looks like the creators are still stuck in the singular reality belief. Too bad. I’ll watch it to actually see where “Thrive” goes.

    • vallsack

      By the way, I noticed somewhere that Barbara Marx Hubbard is supposed to be in this. For any Robert Anton Wilson fans, this will make it a bit more interesting.

  • vallsack

    From this trailer and the description, it looks like the creators are still stuck in the singular reality belief. Too bad. I’ll watch it to actually see where “Thrive” goes.

  • Drlechter

    Just to be clear; Allex Jones has many serious people on the show and raises perhaps even mostly serious real issues, but his main function is to defame those issues and destroy there credibility by mixing them in with absolute fantasy, or as his documentaries have done, presenting them as sourced from some out of print science fiction, rather than current serious investigative journalists who have covered the same issues in books with footnotes and checkable sources.

  • vallsack

    By the way, I noticed somewhere that Barbara Marx Hubbard is supposed to be in this. For any Robert Anton Wilson fans, this will make it a bit more interesting.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    People forget that we all were walking different dreams, so they think we can all expect to wake them up the same way they did. They figure out 5% of the mess, and think everyone else has to learn that 5% forgetting that many others have figured out a completely different 10%..

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    People forget that we all were walking different dreams, so they think we can all expect to wake them up the same way they did. They figure out 5% of the mess, and think everyone else has to learn that 5% forgetting that many others have figured out a completely different 10%..

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    People forget that we all were walking different dreams, so they think we can all expect to wake them up the same way they did. They figure out 5% of the mess, and think everyone else has to learn that 5% forgetting that many others have figured out a completely different 10%..

  • Andrew

    Very good point!

  • BrokenPiggyBank

    Why isn’t this movie free? Money has created so many agendas I honestly can’t seem to trust anyone anymore.

    • simple drawing

      its free if you are pirate. do what you want because a pirate is free! you are a pirate!

  • BrokenPiggyBank

    Why isn’t this movie free? Money has created so many agendas I honestly can’t seem to trust anyone anymore.

  • simple drawing

    its free if you are pirate. do what you want because a pirate is free! you are a pirate!

  • Mahajohn

    Deepak Chopra?  Nassim Haramein?  *Dr. Steven Greer*!?!?  Wow.  If someone wanted to make a jingoistic alternative reality documentary absolutely assured to have zero impact and credibility, you could hardly use better sources!  All we’re missing is Ramtha!    

  • Mahajohn

    Deepak Chopra?  Nassim Haramein?  *Dr. Steven Greer*!?!?  Wow.  If someone wanted to make a jingoistic alternative reality documentary absolutely assured to have zero impact and credibility, you could hardly use better sources!  All we’re missing is Ramtha!    

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Quinn/1329786336 John Quinn

    Bingo.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    the Ickes and the Chopras of the movie were very miniscule in comparison to the rest of the movie, and they were in no way speaking of their own crank-viewpoints.

    It was definitely focusing mostly on the monetary system, but it does mention the control of health via money and pharmaceuticals.

    All in all, the movie starts out in space, slowly touches earth and presents some good information for a while, then takes off at the end for some optimistic sky-talk. I still think it was a worthwhile watch. (keep in mind. there is no such thing as perfection, and if you decide anything that as low as 80% good is useless, you’re going to live an .. interesting.. life)

  • Camron Wiltshire

    I’m not trying to be rude but as we evolve and understand the level of propaganda must also extend it’s hand to recapture as many “noobs” as you put it.  I have high expectations of humanity, but we must first learn to discern what is and is not in our service.  I will watch Thrive this weekend and let you know what I think. I would appreciate your opinion once you have reviewed the points in my previous post, particularly involving the fraudulent nature of Nassim Haramein’s “research” and it’s central focus in the film and iconography of the film and how this might be cause for concern given the very real nature of other aspects of the film.   Best wishes.

    The links are on a my post below.

  • Camron Wiltshire

    I agree with your appraisal.   I’m about 85% through now. Perhaps they started with the fluff (Nassim/Greer) to lure in those who may be avoiding the reality of what is on our doorstep.  I’m surprised as they are broaching many topics at once which I never expected given the way the film started off.  Glad to hear them discussing 9/11 as a false flag, the reality of the Fed, Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan banker cartels and tentacles extending into all manner of dominance including Agribusiness, Education, Media consolidation and more.  As long as it’s not set up as a means to discredit the very real topics at some later date then I must say I would advise they offer a new release minus the Nassim and Greer disinfo  and applaud them for bringing up the reality of Eugenics, the NWO and more.  I’ve still got 30 minutes to go so as long as they don’t pull a massive 180 I would agree with many here who see this as an overall positive film, I just detest the inclusion of known cranks at the opening of the film.   Interesting as this film manages to touch on the most popular memes and find a way to mix the styling of the secret with the conspiracy culture which without seeing made me retch but now I can see how those late adapters may need this type of presentation to make peace with the horrid reality they’ve avoided, ignored or missed out on understanding until now.  Interesting and unexpected development.  Let’s see how this plays out.  Will we see a stream of books from the various new age publishers (sounds true, etc) now promoting the reality of the Fed, GMO, Chemtrails and more on shelves next to the countless books hocking manifesting abundance?  This is a cross pollination I can dig.  I just hope along with it comes realization of the necessity of trivium education as a requirement for mental emancipation and reclamation of our intellectual sovereignty.  

  • Camron Wiltshire

    I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you, being that you cited Jones for lack of sourcing, would you then be able to provide examples supporting your own argument?

  • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

    It’s odd that they seem to be less than discerning when placing various aspects of 911 truth research next to one another.  For example they have 2 less than reputable videos at the top of the page but they also include links to ae911truth.org and “Blueprint for Truth”.  I just hope that the unsuspecting person would make it through all of it and have the wherewithal to see through the muck and get to the clarity of the info as provided by ae911truth and Richard Gage.  I will follow up on their sources for other aspects too and see if this pattern is maintained.

    • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

      Sorry been up all night, cogency diminished, here is the link I mean to add above http://thrivemovement.com/fact_checks  

  • Camron Wiltshire

    It’s odd that they seem to be less than discerning when placing various aspects of 911 truth research next to one another.  For example they have 2 less than reputable videos at the top of the page but they also include links to ae911truth.org and “Blueprint for Truth”.  I just hope that the unsuspecting person would make it through all of it and have the wherewithal to see through the muck and get to the clarity of the info as provided by ae911truth and Richard Gage.  I will follow up on their sources for other aspects too and see if this pattern is maintained.

  • Camron Wiltshire

    Sorry been up all night, cogency diminished, here is the link I mean to add above http://thrivemovement.com/fact_checks  

  • Monkey See Monkey Do

    The scientific institution isn’t spared from corruption and propaganda. Well educated scientists who dare to challenge the status quo or zeitgeist of our age are quickly ostracised, and if they persist they often have their career’s intentionally ruined.

    The world’s political and economic system is extremely sick and that flows onto every aspect of humanity. All in all its a systemic problem.

    Although not in all cases but generally if a new idea favours the economic system its labelled as Protoscience, if it challenges the system its labelled as Pseudoscience.

  • Camron Wiltshire

    Your comments apply well to the first 45 minutes the later portion though I do find significant evidence to support the reality of the machinations of the Fed, intrusive surveilance, GMO poisoning etc.  I wonder if they just wanted to inspired the new age crowd with enough honey to create momentum for the medicine (later half).  

  • Camron Wiltshire

    That is cause for concern though as unfortunately it would bring the legitimacy of the other portions into greater scrutiny and potential “well poisoning” doubt of the whole.  Not sure what their angel is just yet.  I was banned on Nassim’s facebook group for daring to expose his nonsense. I will have to try the Thrive group and see how I fare there.  

  • Monkey See Monkey Do

    I’m too busy to watch this doco (and the intro gave me an infomercial vibe so i just didnt bother) . What in the first 45 minutes do you classify as pseudoscience?

  • Camron Wiltshire

    Everything espoused by Nassim Haramein and Stephen Greer.  To get into the details as to why Nassim’s “research” is in disrepute please google “Nassim Haramein Fraud or Sage” and read through the description of his truly fraudulent and misleading behavior regarding, one his credentials, and two his level of scientific literacy.  

    In the film, no one elucidates any plausible science, rather it is all alluded to and we are given the confirmatory belief of Mr. Gamble’s repeated assurances soley as a reason to believe in anything that follows.  Sadly there very well may be truly enlightening/empowering science by studying the structure of Sacred Geometry and the flower of life in terms of an energetic system, but like all things it must hew closely to the scientific method and must be able to be tested, reproduced in an experiment by independent scientists.  What is given instead is feel good utopianism and fancy graphics. Nassim is not peer reviewed (though he claims to be) lacks a basic understanding of fundamental axioms of physics, and deliberately cultivates fundraising from laymen with no scientific training to become his “delegates”, and “emissaries” thus producing “fundraising” for his “research” through exploitation and charismatic chicanery.   Steven Greer also typifies this behavior. The portions after the first 45 I have addressed above.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Freedom/716060021 Jim Freedom

    Interesting ideas and definitely worth sharing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Freedom/716060021 Jim Freedom

    Interesting ideas and definitely worth sharing.

  • Monkey See Monkey Do

    Thanks for your thoughts. Have you heard of Amit Goswami? If so, what do you think of his ideas?

  • Camron Wiltshire

    I will look into him.  The name sounds familiar but I don’t know anything about him.  Please fill me in :)

  • the easy button

    seems legit. watch it and think for yourself.

  • the easy button

    seems legit. watch it and think for yourself.

  • the easy button

    seems legit. watch it and think for yourself.

  • arcadia11

    finally.  a reality check.  thank you.

  • http://twitter.com/bardofely Steve Andrews

    I liked THRIVE but then found on the website that it pushes the chemtrail and HAARP conspiracy theories too so seeing as I don’t believe that chemtrails exist and don’t believe that HAARP is the threat it is said to be I am questioning the validity of this film. In fact how much of it is disnfo? Is this another ZEITGEIST?

    • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

      I understand your concern.  I would say the jury is still out as to what effect this film will have over all.  I will say that Chemtrails are very real and you may want to research the existence of patents, the immense amount of video and photography documenting spraying as well as the concomitant increases in soil toxicity and ER room visits due to Respiratory illness.  Also several independent citizens have had heavy metal toxicity tests and they are aberrant and correspond with known ingredients associated with both the patents as well as the soil samples.  Don’t take my word for it.  Check out aircrap.org (not endorsing the whole site, but is a fairly good repository for info on chemtrails)

      Best wishes

  • http://twitter.com/bardofely Steve Andrews

    I liked THRIVE but then found on the website that it pushes the chemtrail and HAARP conspiracy theories too so seeing as I don’t believe that chemtrails exist and don’t believe that HAARP is the threat it is said to be I am questioning the validity of this film. In fact how much of it is disnfo? Is this another ZEITGEIST?

  • Camron Wiltshire

    I understand your concern.  I would say the jury is still out as to what effect this film will have over all.  I will say that Chemtrails are very real and you may want to research the existence of patents, the immense amount of video and photography documenting spraying as well as the concomitant increases in soil toxicity and ER room visits due to Respiratory illness.  Also several independent citizens have had heavy metal toxicity tests and they are aberrant and correspond with known ingredients associated with both the patents as well as the soil samples.  Don’t take my word for it.  Check out aircrap.org (not endorsing the whole site, but is a fairly good repository for info on chemtrails)

    Best wishes

  • LogicMan

    I smell a hoax.  Haven’t seen the movie, just the trailer, feel like I’ve seen enough.  Seems like it’s meant to make other recent legit movies with a similar format look foolish by association.  Yes, the global environment is in freefall, because of overpopulation and the growth-driven economic paradigm. But don’t be sucked in by new-agey crap. A caveat: I could be wrong.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XJYPW25C4IOFWBMMWFXQ4FEL3U Tmas

    Visit the Thrive-Debunked blog 
    http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/

    Read Dave Emory’s recent article called:
    THRIVE: Counter-Cultural Fascism in Cinema
    http://spitfirelist.com/news/thrive-counter-culture-fascism-in-cinema/

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