Bethlehem Battle: Clergymen Clash At Birthplace Of Jesus

For once the police are called to a Christmas brawl and none of my relatives are implicated. From Bernat Armangue at Huffington Post:

BETHLEHEM, West Bank — The annual cleaning of one of Christianity’s holiest churches deteriorated into a brawl between rival clergy Wednesday, as dozens of monks feuding over sacred space at the Church of the Nativity battled each other with brooms until police intervened.

The ancient church, built over the traditional site of Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem, is shared by three Christian denominations – Roman Catholics, Armenians and Greek Orthodox. Wednesday’s fight erupted between Greek and Armenian clergy, with both sides accusing each other of encroaching on parts of the church to which they lay claim.

The monks were tidying up the church ahead of Orthodox Christmas celebrations in early January, following celebrations by Western Christians on Dec. 25. The fight erupted between monks along the border of their respective areas. Some shouted and hurled brooms…

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  • Mr Willow

    It says quite a bit about an institution when it not only can’t agree one one very simple message—and therefore is split into several denominations—but quite frequently ignores said message and instead each denomination concerns itself more with its own authority or influence within said institution. 

    I do not like your Christians, they are so unlike your Christ.

  • Mr Willow

    It says quite a bit about an institution when it not only can’t agree one one very simple message—and therefore is split into several denominations—but quite frequently ignores said message and instead each denomination concerns itself more with its own authority or influence within said institution. 

    I do not like your Christians, they are so unlike your Christ.

    • I_abide

      Isn’t every major religion split into factions of one sort or the other?

    • Okarin

      and it gets worse when the clergy says indirectly you can only know Christ through them

      • Anarchy Pony

        Yeah, how can you possibly find their promised salvation when every other denomination says they are the only route to it?

    • mrtastycakes

      Both groups (Greek and Armenian) are from the same Church (Orthodox Catholic) and are in full agreement on theology. The only difference is language and customs. 
      The Orthodox Church has existed continuously since Christianity “began.” So, technically, it is pre-denominational. The Assyrians broke off ~500 AD, and the Romans ~1000. They all remained quite theologically similar, but the West drifted away as time passed. It wasn’t until Luther’s protest of Roman Catholicism in the 1500s that denominations per se came into being.

      That said, the jurisdictional nonsense within the Orthodox Church is overshadowing Christ’s message of One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

      • mrtastycakes

        Oh, I forgot Armenians are Oriental Orthodox, not Eastern. Different administrators, same beliefs (unless you think the meaning of “Godman” is radically different than “fully God and fully man”)

      • Mr Willow

        The Orthodox Church has existed continuously since Christianity “began.” So, technically, it is pre-denominational.

        The various Gnostic sects that existed when Christianity ‘began’ would disagree with that statement. That is, if the Orthodoxy hadn’t condemned them as heretics and persecuted them out of existence, if they didn’t simply have them executed.

        • http://www.facebook.com/elpolloloco52 Josh Adkisson

          Gnosticism was not a part of Christianity to begin with. It was movement with a vast number of manifestations, some of which were influenced by Christianity.

      • Mr Willow

        The Orthodox Church has existed continuously since Christianity “began.” So, technically, it is pre-denominational.

        The various Gnostic sects that existed when Christianity ‘began’ would disagree with that statement. That is, if the Orthodoxy hadn’t condemned them as heretics and persecuted them out of existence, if they didn’t simply have them executed.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t every major religion split into factions of one sort or the other?

  • Okarin

    and it gets worse when the clergy says indirectly you can only know Christ through them

  • Anarchy Pony

    Yeah, how can you possibly find their promised salvation when every other denomination says they are the only route to it?

  • Anonymous

    Broom fight – Ha!  One Wutang monk would clean house of all the hoary priests of Nicaea.

  • Calypso_1

    Broom fight – Ha!  One Wutang monk would clean house of all the hoary priests of Nicaea.

  • Anon

    oh sky cake, why are you so delicious?

  • Anon

    oh sky cake, why are you so delicious?

  • Eldritch

    Gotta love the Crazy 88

  • Eldritch

    Gotta love the Crazy 88

  • mrtastycakes

    Both groups (Greek and Armenian) are from the same Church (Orthodox Catholic) and are in full agreement on theology. The only difference is language and customs. 
    The Orthodox Church has existed continuously since Christianity “began.” So, technically, it is pre-denominational. The Assyrians broke off ~500 AD, and the Romans ~1000. They all remained quite theologically similar, but the West drifted away as time passed. It wasn’t until Luther’s protest of Roman Catholicism in the 1500s that denominations per se came into being.

    That said, the jurisdictional nonsense within the Orthodox Church is overshadowing Christ’s message of One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

  • mrtastycakes

    Oh, I forgot Armenians are Oriental Orthodox, not Eastern. Different administrators, same beliefs (unless you think the meaning of “Godman” is radically different than “fully God and fully man”)

  • mrtastycakes

    I still don’t know what they’re fighting about. Did a Greek deny the Armenian genocide or something?

  • mrtastycakes

    I still don’t know what they’re fighting about. Did a Greek deny the Armenian genocide or something?

  • mrtastycakes

    I still don’t know what they’re fighting about. Did a Greek deny the Armenian genocide or something?

  • Nunzio X

    Yes. The only Christian thing to do is to fight. Wasn’t Jesus a well-known MMA practitioner?

  • Nunzio X

    Yes. The only Christian thing to do is to fight. Wasn’t Jesus a well-known MMA practitioner?

  • Mr Willow

    The Orthodox Church has existed continuously since Christianity “began.” So, technically, it is pre-denominational.

    The various Gnostic sects that existed when Christianity ‘began’ would disagree with that statement. That is, if the Orthodoxy hadn’t condemned them heretics and persecuted them out of existence, if they didn’t simply have them executed.

  • Gregory Wyrdmaven

    Hmm…I’m all about Hope and Change.  Say, Christians…how is that Peace on Earth, Good Will Towards Men thing working out?

    Somewhere a guy is selling t-shirts with a picture of Judas Iscariot winking and giving a thumb’s up gesture while saying “Miss Me Yet?”

  • Gregory Wyrdmaven

    Hmm…I’m all about Hope and Change.  Say, Christians…how is that Peace on Earth, Good Will Towards Men thing working out?

    Somewhere a guy is selling t-shirts with a picture of Judas Iscariot winking and giving a thumb’s up gesture while saying “Miss Me Yet?”

  • Americanbanksta

    i dont understand the whole point of it, they’re just arguing over a
    character from a very old fantasy novel. i can just imagine the same thing
    happening with twilight fan girls arguing over something stupid about
    edward. its the same crap, but coming out of different buttholes.

  • Americanbanksta

    i dont understand the whole point of it, they’re just arguing over a
    character from a very old fantasy novel. i can just imagine the same thing
    happening with twilight fan girls arguing over something stupid about
    edward. its the same crap, but coming out of different buttholes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elpolloloco52 Josh Adkisson

    Gnosticism was not a part of Christianity to begin with. It was movement with a vast number of manifestations, some of which were influenced by Christianity.

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