God’s Hit Man

Inquisition[Site editor's note: The following is an excerpt from the new Disinformation title 50 Things You're Not Supposed To Know: Religion, authored by Daniele Bolelli.]

Since the dawn of time, God’s faithful followers have been locked in a war without mercy against the forces of evil. Christian theology (and Muslim too, for that matter) is clear on this matter. This is a fight that can’t stop until the final showdown at the end of times, when God’s partisans will drown their enemies once and for all in rivers of blood. Until then, the battle rages on, and the entire earth is divided in opposing armies. Neutrality is just not an option. Much like rust, Evil never sleeps, and its agents are constantly busy trying to hurt the followers of the one true faith. Given this outlook, it then logically follows that it is wise for God’s people to strike down the devil’s minions wherever they are found: heretics, witches, pagans and other fans of the devil simply have to be stopped.

It would be easy for Christians to despair when they are always surrounded by such scary opponents, but in the Spain of the 1400s, a man rose to their defense. His name?

Fighting out of the red corner, wearing the robes of inquisitor general, he is “The hammer of heretics, the light of Spain, the savior of his country.” Ladies and Gentlemen, representing the Holy Inquisition, and sporting a record of hundreds of heretics killed, I introduce to you, the one and only reigning heavyweight champion of the Catholic faith, Tooooomaaaaaaasss de Torrrrrqueeeeemaaaadaaaaaaaaaa!

A Dominican friar and Queen Isabella’s personal confessor, Tomás de Torquemada had become Spain’s first inquisitor general, which is to say God’s right hand man in His fight against heresy. In his zealous quest, he set up a system that burned to death over 2,000 people (and many, many thousands more when imitators followed his lead in other parts of Europe). Some of his main victims were former Jews and Muslims posing as faithful Catholics but secretly holding on to their old beliefs. But even more broadly, Torquemada’s mission was to bring down anybody holding ideas that differed from Catholicism.

His methods were not exactly the embodiment of Christian compassion, but in the fight against the Evil One, a man’s got to do what a man’s got to do. Whips, hot irons, thumbscrews, stakes and other pearls of creative sadism were holy weapons to be used in defense of the Catholic faith. By the time Torquemada knocked on your door, you were pretty much screwed. It meant that someone had managed to convince him that you were an enemy of the faith who had to be stopped. The good, old rule “innocent until proven guilty” was not yet old and was certainly not considered good. The legal theory of the Inquisition was more along the lines of “guilty until proven innocent.” Actually, even that was too much to ask, since you really couldn’t prove yourself innocent. If you confessed, then obviously you were guilty. But if you didn’t, then it meant you were truly a lying, sneaky servant of the devil who should be tortured. If you confessed under torture, then it was a done deal. If not, again this only proved your guiltiness since clearly the devil was giving you supernatural power to resist pain: quite literally damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.

Incidentally, along the way the Inquisition was also a profitable business since all the wealth of those convicted would be seized and split between king and church. But whether inquisitors burned you at the stake because they were greedy, or because they truly believed they were doing God’s work, it didn’t exactly make a huge practical difference.

Clearly, the devil had many fans since Torquemada’s holy mission didn’t find universal support. He was so fearful of assassination that he traveled with more than 250 bodyguards (hell … even Mafia bosses are satisfied with less than that…).

But God’s hit man also had many admirers. Not only most Catholic inquisitors looked up to him as a model to be followed, but even Protestants ended up following his same recipe. Both Martin Luther and John Calvin, the giants of Protestant theology, were as insistent as Torquemada about the necessity of barbecuing witches and other soldiers of the devil. It was only after the worst of the devil’s inventions became popular—that pesky Enlightenment with its emphasis on reason, science and individual rights—that the hands of Torquemada’s spiritual descendants were no longer free to strike down heretics. So, these must truly be dark times, now that heroes of the faith like Torquemada are no longer able to carry out their holy mission. If you can’t even burn them on the public square, how can society defend itself against the servants of the devil?

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  • Dunzain

    I am reading a book about the witch-hunt in Scandinavia. Very interesting. It’s a amazing how superstitious people were in the 1600′s.

    Interesting article, by the way. Thanks.

    • Sytallix

      Some 70-80% of the world population is religious, we’re still very much a superstitious based culture, unfortunately.  Maybe not torturing people quite as brutally in the “rich” and “free” countries.

      • Dunzain

        Yeah, you’re right. Techically religion and superstition should probably be synonyms. 

        But the point of my previous post was that superstition was in high gear in the 1600′s. 

        People believed in witches flying to “Blakulla” (an occult satanist gathering site)  on upside-down turned cows, smeared with witch-flying-ointment to make them fly, and partying with the devil in halls with women standing on the heads with black candles put in the lower orificies used as chandiliers  The witches bringed children with them that the devil cut in their fingers to use their blood to write  down their denial of god in a black ledger.

        These horrible fantasies was gathered by priests that took children for questioning and asking them leading questions about the devil and all kind of mischief that  got the children in a state of wanting to please their questioners, and therefore came up with crazier and more outlandish stories all the time. 

        From the bible (The books of Moses?) the priest got the information that children cannot lie and therefore the accusations were true.

        A lot of women got burned in the scandinavia because of children’s fantasies.

    • PoopBoner

      What’s really amazing is how superstitious people are today. In the 1600′s, people didn’t have the basic education that we have, nor did they the ability to conjure up a great wealth of information on any subject desired by pressing a couple of keys. There’s really no fucking excuse for superstition anymore, but still have fuckups that knock on wood, avoid black cats, and pray.

      • BurningTightRope

        once again PB you are correct, but dare i say, the scary ‘superstitious’ thing about today is ‘pressing a couple of key’ on the computer and believing without questioning, anything one finds on the web. opinion is touted as factual information. we gotta step cautiously, otherwise WE can become the witch hunters if we simply scream ‘burn all the christians’ and lump every person who believes in god into the same lump as this article implies. bolelli is very much guilty of over generalizing people who believe in god as wacko vigilantes on the march and splitting the whole world into good vs evil. that simply is NOT true. we gotta guard ourselves against this brand of our own superstition. otherwise we are no different and no better.

  • Dunzain

    I am reading a book about the witch-hunt in Scandinavia. Very interesting. It’s a amazing how superstitious people were in the 1600′s.

    Interesting article, by the way. Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    Some 70-80% of the world population is religious, we’re still very much a superstitious based culture, unfortunately.  Maybe not torturing people quite as brutally in the “rich” and “free” countries.

  • Kilerr1

    some ppl still try to get away with it though….watch “red state”

  • Kilerr1

    some ppl still try to get away with it though….watch “red state”

    • PoopBoner

      That is a fucking great movie, but are you aware that it’s not a documentary?

  • Anonymous

    If Jesus was the teacher and  Tomás de Torquemada was the student, de Torquemada gets an F-.  Jesus preached compassion.   Tomás de Torquemada somehow got the opposite message.  

    Then again, that is assuming that de Torquemada was sincerely attempting to pass the class at all.  How many sick bastards use religion, patriotism etc as a cover for the fact that the really just sadists, or are looking to expand their power and money?

  • spet67

    If Jesus was the teacher and  Tomás de Torquemada was the student, de Torquemada gets an F-.  Jesus preached compassion.   Tomás de Torquemada somehow got the opposite message.  

    Then again, that is assuming that de Torquemada was sincerely attempting to pass the class at all.  How many sick bastards use religion, patriotism etc as a cover for the fact that the really just sadists, or are looking to expand their power and money?

    • D-Pete

      Jesus wasn’t the teacher, God was and he is a bitter, wrathfull asshole. Remember he flooded the world and killed everyone except those on the ark when he could have just sent Jesus a few years earlier to die for their sins too. If God was the teacher then A+ for Torquemada!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jai-Ankers/100000395755973 Jai Ankers

        I don’t understand, how can the imaginary teach anything…

    • PoopBoner

      Jesus purportedly preached that simply not recognizing him as their savior is worthy of ETERNAL FUCKING TORTURE. That’s not the most compassionate concept I’ve heard of…

      • BurningTightRope

        idk poop… while i don’t embrace the popular (or necessarily any) view of hell as eternal torture, i think the concept of jesus is better as a metaphor of ‘you’re gonna get hit by a train and have your guts smeared all over the place, take my hand and i’ll pull ya outta the way’ —— if ya don’t want the train, take the hand was the basic message. 

        i totally agree that eternal fucking torture is not compassionate. most (but not all) tradition teaches eternal suffering in hell. to my reading, the book doesn’t support it. 

        1] hell was eternal fire made to eventually eternally punish an eternal satan and his eternal fallen angels. that’s why it burns eternally. 

        2] the book says the gift of god is eternal life. i don’t think we have eternal souls if we don’t get the gift of god, so how can non-eternal souls be eternally tortured.

        3] the book says that with the punishment and death of jesus in place of everyone – once and for all – that god was satisfied. so why, if he/she/or it was satisfied would god need to eternally punish or generally punish anyone?

        4] there’s a scoffed at doctrine called annihilationism that says basically when ya get hit by the train from not taking jesus’ hand, since you don’t have an eternal soul, your soul can just be zip – burned up – poof. you lived, you died, you’re done.

        that said, the whole point of alleged sorrow would be that you could’ve had a V8 and lived forever in a better life. 

        I never died so i have no idea of what the end of the matter is. no one does. but in my reading of the book, when i used to read and study it, contrary to my criticizing peers, annihilationism was the only compassionate and logical way to look at the whole hell and god and jesus thing. ——food for thought 

        the standard doctrine is a fear tactic imho, used by many proselytizing dolts to evangelize. it is an inferior motive to ‘gain souls’ and an inferior reason to believe. 

        btw, i’m told that the jehovah’s witnesses believe in annihilationism. while i don’t believe in them either, i think they got this concept right, if any of this is biblically logical at all.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    don’t try and blame this $hit on God
    She’s not involved in any way
    in fact
    She’s so silent
    that the religious have taken it mean that
    She approves of their means and methods

  • BuzzCoastin

    don’t try and blame this $hit on God
    She’s not involved in any way
    in fact
    She’s so silent
    that the religious have taken it mean that
    She approves of their means and methods

  • Cuyler Mortimore

    ” If you can’t even burn them on the public square” on should be “in.”

  • Cuyler Mortimore

    ” If you can’t even burn them on the public square” on should be “in.” I don’t want to be a grammar asshole, but if this is going to be published, it’s maybe important.

  • D-Pete

    Jesus wasn’t the teacher, God was and he is a bitter, wrathfull asshole. Remember he flooded the world and killed everyone except those on the ark when he could have just sent Jesus a few years earlier to die for their sins too. If God was the teacher then A+ for Torquemada!

  • Dunzain

    Yeah, you’re right. Techically religion and superstition should probably be synonyms. 

    But the point of my previous post was that superstition was in high gear in the 1600′s. 

    People believed in witches flying to “Blakulla” (an occult satanist gathering site)  on upside-down turned cows, smeared with witch-flying-ointment to make them fly, and partying with the devil in halls with women standing on the heads with black candles put in the lower orificies used as chandiliers  The witches bringed children with them that the devil cut in their fingers to use their blood to write  down their denial of god in a black ledger.

    These horrible fantasies was gathered by priests that took children for questioning and asking them leading questions about the devil and all kind of mischief that  got the children in a state of wanting to please their questioners, and therefore came up with crazier and more outlandish stories all the time. 

    From the bible (The books of Moses?) the priest got the information that children cannot lie and therefore the accusations were true.

    A lot of women got burned in the scandinavia because of children’s fantasies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000229814524 David Pollack

    All religions are cults. Especially the supposed monotheistic and messianic faiths. Rid thyself of fear and see the world – and your life – for what it really is. Experience each day without imagining afterlife, sin, grace or God. Be human. Live in reality, not in imagination.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000229814524 David Pollack

    All religions are cults. Especially the supposed monotheistic and messianic faiths. Rid thyself of fear and see the world – and your life – for what it really is. Experience each day without imagining afterlife, sin, grace or God. Be human. Live in reality, not in imagination.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000229814524 David Pollack

    All religions are cults. Especially the supposed monotheistic and messianic faiths. Rid thyself of fear and see the world – and your life – for what it really is. Experience each day without imagining afterlife, sin, grace or God. Be human. Live in reality, not in imagination.

  • Rhsoineutfcwhtuoif

    someone please explain to me how God is so horrible/ seriously. i am a FIRM believer in the Trinity and i will not be changing that but i wanna know just how complex and destructive the brain can be.

  • Rhsoineutfcwhtuoif

    someone please explain to me how God is so horrible/ seriously. i am a FIRM believer in the Trinity and i will not be changing that but i wanna know just how complex and destructive the brain can be.

  • Rhsoineutfcwhtuoif

    someone please explain to me how God is so horrible/ seriously. i am a FIRM believer in the Trinity and i will not be changing that but i wanna know just how complex and destructive the brain can be.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jai-Ankers/100000395755973 Jai Ankers

      A true benevolent being wouldn’t allow such atrocities to happen. Now, an omnipresent, omnipotent entity could easily stop all this madness. Either God is a cunt, or he doesn’t exist. 

      The mind is a powerful thing, you’re right. It gets worse when you’re brainwashed with religious dogma.

    • PoopBoner

      For starters, he allegedly killed everything on the FUCKING PLANET.  Well…he spared one lucky family, a boat full animals, and somehow plants and microorganisms. However, you don’t have to worry. He was kind enough to drown every baby on the planet, but I’m sure drowning babies was somehow vital in fixing a problem that wouldn’t have come about if God didn’t suck at making shit. Also, I fail to see how killing all the other animals on the planet was necessary if it was humans that were fucking up in God’s eyes. Why does God have eyes? I could go on and on and on and on, but I won’t. Feel free to defend murder on such a large scale. If you’re feeling sassy,  you can give baby drowning a shot as well!

      • Talostheconstructor

        Hi Poop
        I am not advocating for the myths of an ancient culture but I can tell you what I learned in my philosophy and Myth classes 20 years ago. The reason God killed off the planet was because the Earth was beyond salvage and needed to start from scratch. The animals were just considered animals with no rights so they were not a factor. God can kill off the people because he knows they were beyond help an exceedingly evil. Sounds like we could use another flood today but the rainbow is Gods sign that he will never completely flood the Earth again.

        An interesting idea has put put forward that the Biblical deluge was the explanation given in the Middle East to explain the rapid flooding that is now the Black Sea. It use to be dry and below sea level. Through some earthquake a path collapse from the ocean to the below sea level area causing it to be completely flooded and taking all the towns and cities with it.

        • Godozo

          I always heard that God would destroy the world the second time by fire. Don’t ask me where the biblical proof was, was probably an extrapolation of the Cold War (if it had heated up).

          And while the flooded Black Sea theory is interesting, it seems to be more mundane than people would think. A thirty feet rise in sea levels isn’t anything to sneeze at, but isn’t anything like a sudden development of a sea out of nothing:

          http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/090206-smaller-noah-flood.html

        • BurningTightRope

          i’ve always had the same q’s & a’s as poop – then i decided to not just throw the philosophical baby out with the flood water. giving the mytho-theology the benefit of the doubt on how irreversibly evil things may have become, i decided that IF in the beginning god created….. then on one hand (if he/it has any) god has the privilege to create and destroy, and on the other paw, IF god can create everything from nothing, the concepts of life or death are small things, no big deal. mass destruction by flood on a global scale only seems horrid to we finite humans. viewing god as ‘mass murderer’ is a subjectively human point of view. —— if i could create a thing out of nothing, it’d be my option to destroy what i made. for the thing to have any opinion on it would be an opinion of limited vision and born out of fear, not omniscience.

          in short, imho i think the whole ‘design’ is flawed from a god created p.o.v. – i got a zzzzzzilllion problems with it as it’s taught, as well as how it may actually be, despite the teachers. —- nevertheless, in light of this article on tourquaymamma – it’s a very poor point to argue against christians and their ideology with. very poor. 

          the description of the book ’50 things you’re not supposed to know: religion’ pretty much is a cautionary point to be considered – it says “Everything that Holy Men of all stripes don’t want you to know about religions major and minor.”    The point of caution is it lumps all holy men and religions into one giant cognizant conspiracy – that’s ridicules. what were we saying about superstitious?

          • Chaddc

            Where do I start.  When one hears a lie about the truth, that doesn’t make the truth null and void.  What it does is obscure the truth so that it can not be understood.  Satan is so good at what he does, he has people repeating lies as facts and honestly believing what they say.  That is called deception, which again only works to cloud the truth.  That is why Jesus will be “returning in the clouds”.  But morons who think the Bible must be interpretted literally, think that means a white cloud in the sky. 

            Here are a couple lies the so called church teaches.

            1. We are all God’s Children.  Complete and total lie.  In fact, if you simply read john 8:44 simple logic will tell you Jesus clearly does not agree with that statement.  Why would Satan’s agents lie about this?  Surely you know enough about evil to clue you in.  I mean, don’t you use candy to lure in babies?

            2. We are made in the image of God.  Clearly you should know by the full knowledge of your own corruption, this can’t be true.  But the devil would like you to believe it.  Can you guess why?

            99% of people walking around have no clue what God is up too and so they speculate.  Many of them think they are on to something and so they use it to rule over others.

            If you are one of those that sees the church is corrupt and yet still knows in your heart that Jesus is legitimate because he has worked in your life and haven’t given up looking for the truth.  Then write this down.

            Go to http://www.voiceofelijah.org     You will find a true teacher called by His Majesty.  My only advice is that you humble yourself and be a lover of truth.  He is not your typical “christain pastor”, but if you seek hard and study, he will provide the answers. 

            Who am I….I am a nobody just like him.  And, who listens to a nobody?

             

          • farmer

            okayyy, so you’re one of the “humble” 1% who is digesting all the elitist theology from “voice of elijah, inc.” – a word of caution, you just quit thinking for yourself by buying into this stuff. your 1% status makes you an arrogant puppet. i speak from experience with this organization. your sucking in a whole bunch of info that your own brain can’t genuinely handle that’s coming from the essentially elitist arrogant mind of someone else. any preacher or teacher that deluges sincerely seeking people with their philosophies is guilty of treating a sprout like an oak tree during a storm. that stuff will kill you in your young seeking heart. if you’re really trying to find god, don’t let some hyper-intellectual teacher build his foundation on top of what god might actually be trying to do. if you’re new to the spiritual pursuit you’re like a little plant, you can’t deal with all this manure being heaped on you by some guy. run! get out now! if you ever had a “first love” with jesus, this will kill it. it’s because of people like voice of elijah inc. that i can not believe anymore. they are poison.

  • Cuyler Mortimore

    I’m desperately trying not to sound like a dick, because this book sounds absolutely fascinating, but I hope it hasn’t gone to press yet because there are some troublesome typos I’ve come across in all the excerpts I’ve read. But I would be 100% happy to help iron those out. If interested, I’ll keep an eye on this thread and simply reply to it, or if I’m a bastard and you just want me to crawl in a hole and die, then I will hear the message loud and clear with the sound of blaring silence.

  • Cuyler Mortimore

    I’m desperately trying not to sound like a dick, because this book sounds absolutely fascinating, but I hope it hasn’t gone to press yet because there are some troublesome typos I’ve come across in all the excerpts I’ve read. But I would be 100% happy to help iron those out. If interested, I’ll keep an eye on this thread and simply reply to it, or if I’m a bastard and you just want me to crawl in a hole and die, then I will hear the message loud and clear with the sound of blaring silence.

  • Robert Pinkerton

    Confessional jurisprudence, stock-in-trade of atrocity-police agencies from the Inquisition right down to “State Security” agencies today, is the vilest abomination mankind has ever invented. For that reason, I say that any god (We “Pagans” think that “god” is a job title rather than a Proper Name.) under whom the Inquisition was/is holy, is unworthy of human worship. 

  • Robert Pinkerton

    Confessional jurisprudence, stock-in-trade of atrocity-police agencies from the Inquisition right down to “State Security” agencies today, is the vilest abomination mankind has ever invented. For that reason, I say that any god (We “Pagans” think that “god” is a job title rather than a Proper Name.) under whom the Inquisition was/is holy, is unworthy of human worship. 

  • Robert Pinkerton

    Confessional jurisprudence, stock-in-trade of atrocity-police agencies from the Inquisition right down to “State Security” agencies today, is the vilest abomination mankind has ever invented. For that reason, I say that any god (We “Pagans” think that “god” is a job title rather than a Proper Name.) under whom the Inquisition was/is holy, is unworthy of human worship. 

  • Anonymous

    well, history is nice because it provides a template for how dictators have always behaved. If lyou understand this then it is easier to avoid the stupidity of absolute faith. Because, once stupid people accept a theology or ideology it is very difficult to convince them otherwise. Perhaps this is biggest stumbling block to living in peace.

  • CapnCanard

    well, history is nice because it provides a template for how dictators have always behaved. If you understand this then it is easier to avoid the stupidity of absolute faith. Because, once stupid people accept a theology or ideology it is very difficult to convince them otherwise. Perhaps this is the biggest stumbling block to living in peace.

  • Nick Patterson

    Martin Luther Kings dad should have read this before he named his son.

  • Nick Patterson

    Martin Luther Kings dad should have read this before he named his son.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jai-Ankers/100000395755973 Jai Ankers

    I don’t understand, how can the imaginary teach anything…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jai-Ankers/100000395755973 Jai Ankers

    A true benevolent being wouldn’t allow such atrocities to happen. Now, an omnipresent, omnipotent entity could easily stop all this madness. Either God is a cunt, or he doesn’t exist. 

    The mind is a powerful thing, you’re right. It gets worse when you’re brainwashed with religious dogma.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jai-Ankers/100000395755973 Jai Ankers

    A true benevolent being wouldn’t allow such atrocities to happen. Now, an omnipresent, omnipotent entity could easily stop all this madness. Either God is a cunt, or he doesn’t exist. 

    The mind is a powerful thing, you’re right. It gets worse when you’re brainwashed with religious dogma.

  • PoopBoner

    Jesus purportedly preached that simply not recognizing him as their savior is worthy of ETERNAL FUCKING TORTURE. That’s not the most compassionate concept I’ve heard of…

  • PoopBoner

    What’s really amazing is how superstitious people are today. In the 1600′s, people didn’t have the basic education that we have, nor did they the ability to conjure up a great wealth of information on any subject desired by pressing a couple of keys. There’s really no fucking excuse for superstition anymore, but still have fuckups that knock on wood, avoid black cats, and pray.

  • PoopBoner

    For starters, he allegedly killed everything on the FUCKING PLANET.  Well…he spared one lucky family, a boat full animals, and somehow plants and microorganisms. However, you don’t have to worry. He was kind enough to drown every baby on the planet, but I’m sure drowning babies was somehow vital in fixing a problem that wouldn’t have come about if God didn’t suck at making shit. Also, I fail to see how killing all the other animals on the planet was necessary if it was humans that were fucking up in God’s eyes. Why does God have eyes? I could go on and on and on and on, but I won’t. Feel free to defend murder on such a large scale. If you’re feeling sassy,  you can give baby drowning a shot as well!

  • PoopBoner

    That is a fucking great movie, but are you aware that it’s not a documentary?

  • http://www.healthykitchenplus.com/wheatgrassjuicercomparisonchart Mike

    I am appalled at the slanderous statements about God.  Many people have done bad things in the name of God, but that does not make God bad…it makes the person wrong.  I really am shocked at the cavalier attitude.

    • matt dante

      It doesn’t make god real either.

  • http://www.healthykitchenplus.com/wheatgrassjuicercomparisonchart Mike

    I am appalled at the slanderous statements about God.  Many people have done bad things in the name of God, but that does not make God bad…it makes the person wrong.  I really am shocked at the cavalier attitude.

  • Talostheconstructor

    Hi Poop
    I am not advocating for the myths of an ancient culture but I can tell you what I learned in my philosophy and Myth classes 20 years ago. The reason God killed off the planet was because the Earth was beyond salvage and needed to start from scratch. The animals were just considered animals with no rights so they were not a factor. God can kill off the people because he knows they were beyond help an exceedingly evil. Sounds like we could use another flood today but the rainbow is Gods sign that he will never completely flood the Earth again.

    An interesting idea has put put forward that the Biblical deluge was the explanation given in the Middle East to explain the rapid flooding that is now the Black Sea. It use to be dry and below sea level. Through some earthquake a path collapse from the ocean to the below sea level area causing it to be completely flooded and taking all the towns and cities with it.

  • weez

    just as a comparative exercise….
    let’s say that your parent/spouse/wtf-ever has decided to let you do whatever the hell you want and suffer the consequences of your own actions.  you decide to murder the cat.  does that make your spouse/parent/wtf-ever a jerkoff?  no, it makes you an irresponsible child, fully deserving of the proverbial asskicking you recieve.

  • weez

    just as a comparative exercise….
    let’s say that your parent/spouse/wtf-ever has decided to let you do whatever the hell you want and suffer the consequences of your own actions.  you decide to murder the cat.  does that make your spouse/parent/wtf-ever a jerkoff?  no, it makes you an irresponsible child, fully deserving of the proverbial asskicking you recieve.

  • Godozo

    I always heard that God would destroy the world the second time by fire. Don’t ask me where the biblical proof was, was probably an extrapolation of the Cold War (if it had heated up).

    And while the flooded Black Sea theory is interesting, it seems to be more mundane than people would think. A thirty feet rise in sea levels isn’t anything to sneeze at, but isn’t anything like a sudden development of a sea out of nothing:

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/090206-smaller-noah-flood.html

  • Anonymous

    idk poop… while i don’t embrace the popular (or necessarily any) view of hell as eternal torture, i think the concept of jesus is better as a metaphor of ‘you’re gonna get hit by a train and have your guts smeared all over the place, take my hand and i’ll pull ya outta the way’ —— if ya don’t want the train, take the hand was the basic message. 

    i totally agree that eternal fucking torture is not compassionate. most (but not all) tradition teaches eternal suffering in hell. to my reading, the book doesn’t support it. 

    1] hell was eternal fire made to eventually eternally punish an eternal satan and his eternal fallen angels. that’s why it burns eternally. 

    2] the book says the gift of god is eternal life. i don’t think we have eternal souls if we don’t get the gift of god, so how can non-eternal souls be eternally tortured.

    3] the book says that with the punishment and death of jesus in place of everyone – once and for all – that god was satisfied. so why, if he/she/or it was satisfied would god need to eternally punish or generally punish anyone?

    4] there’s a scoffed at doctrine called annihilationism that says basically when ya get hit by the train from not taking jesus’ hand, since you don’t have an eternal soul, your soul can just be zip – burned up – poof. you lived, you died, you’re done.

    that said, the whole point of alleged sorrow would be that you could’ve had a V8 and lived forever in a better life. 

    I never died so i have no idea of what the end of the matter is. no one does. but in my reading of the book, when i used to read and study it, contrary to my criticizing peers, annihilationism was the only compassionate and logical way to look at the whole hell and god and jesus thing. ——food for thought 

    the standard doctrine is a fear tactic imho, used by many proselytizing dolts to evangelize. it is an inferior motive to ‘gain souls’ and an inferior reason to believe. 

    btw, i’m told that the jehovah’s witnesses believe in annihilationism. while i don’t believe in them either, i think they got this concept right, if any of this is biblically logical at all.

  • Anonymous

    once again PB you are correct, but dare i say, the scary ‘superstitious’ thing about today is ‘pressing a couple of key’ on the computer and believing without questioning, anything one finds on the web. opinion is touted as factual information. we gotta step cautiously, otherwise WE can become the witch hunters if we simply scream ‘burn all the christians’ and lump every person who believes in god into the same lump as this article implies. bolelli is very much guilty of over generalizing people who believe in god as wacko vigilantes on the march and splitting the whole world into good vs evil. that simply is NOT true. we gotta guard ourselves against this brand of our own superstition. otherwise we are no different and no better.

  • Anonymous

    i’ve always had the same q’s & a’s as poop – then i decided to not just throw the philosophical baby out with the flood water. giving the mytho-theology the benefit of the doubt on how irreversibly evil things may have become, i decided that IF in the beginning god created….. then on one hand (if he/it has any) god has the privilege to create and destroy, and on the other paw, IF god can create everything from nothing, the concepts of life or death are small things, no big deal. mass destruction by flood on a global scale only seems horrid to we finite humans. viewing god as ‘mass murderer’ is a subjectively human point of view. —— if i could create a thing out of nothing, it’d be my option to destroy what i made. for the thing to have any opinion on it would be an opinion of limited vision and born out of fear, not omniscience.

    in short, imho i think the whole ‘design’ is flawed from a god created p.o.v. – i got a zzzzzzilllion problems with it as it’s taught, as well as how it may actually be, despite the teachers. —- nevertheless, in light of this article on tourquaymamma – it’s a very poor point to argue against christians and their ideology with. very poor. 

    the description of the book ’50 things you’re not supposed to know: religion’ pretty much is a cautionary point to be considered – it says “Everything that Holy Men of all stripes don’t want you to know about religions major and minor.”    The point of caution is it lumps all holy men and religions into one giant cognizant conspiracy – that’s ridicules. what were we saying about superstitious?

  • Chaddc

    Where do I start.  When one hears a lie about the truth, that doesn’t make the truth null and void.  What it does is obscure the truth so that it can not be understood.  Satan is so good at what he does, he has people repeating lies as facts and honestly believing what they say.  That is called deception, which again only works to cloud the truth.  That is why Jesus will be “returning in the clouds”.  But morons who think the Bible must be interpretted literally, think that means a white cloud in the sky. 

    Here are a couple lies the so called church teaches.

    1. We are all God’s Children.  Complete and total lie.  In fact, if you simply read john 8:44 simple logic will tell you Jesus clearly does not agree with that statement.  Why would Satan’s agents lie about this?  Surely you know enough about evil to clue you in.  I mean, don’t you use candy to lure in babies?

    2. We are made in the image of God.  Clearly you should know by the full knowledge of your own corruption, this can’t be true.  But the devil would like you to believe it.  Can you guess why?

    99% of people walking around have no clue what God is up too and so they speculate.  Many of them think they are on to something and so they use it to rule over others.

    If you are one of those that sees the church is corrupt and yet still knows in your heart that Jesus is legitimate because he has worked in your life and haven’t given up looking for the truth.  Then write this down.

    Go to http://www.voiceofelijah.org     You will find a true teacher called by His Majesty.  My only advice is that you humble yourself and be a lover of truth.  He is not your typical “christain pastor”, but if you seek hard and study, he will provide the answers. 

    Who am I….I am a nobody just like him.  And, who listens to a nobody?

     

  • Chaddc

    Where do I start.  When one hears a lie about the truth, that doesn’t make the truth null and void.  What it does is obscure the truth so that it can not be understood.  Satan is so good at what he does, he has people repeating lies as facts and honestly believing what they say.  That is called deception, which again only works to cloud the truth.  That is why Jesus will be “returning in the clouds”.  But morons who think the Bible must be interpretted literally, think that means a white cloud in the sky. 

    Here are a couple lies the so called church teaches.

    1. We are all God’s Children.  Complete and total lie.  In fact, if you simply read john 8:44 simple logic will tell you Jesus clearly does not agree with that statement.  Why would Satan’s agents lie about this?  Surely you know enough about evil to clue you in.  I mean, don’t you use candy to lure in babies?

    2. We are made in the image of God.  Clearly you should know by the full knowledge of your own corruption, this can’t be true.  But the devil would like you to believe it.  Can you guess why?

    99% of people walking around have no clue what God is up too and so they speculate.  Many of them think they are on to something and so they use it to rule over others.

    If you are one of those that sees the church is corrupt and yet still knows in your heart that Jesus is legitimate because he has worked in your life and haven’t given up looking for the truth.  Then write this down.

    Go to http://www.voiceofelijah.org     You will find a true teacher called by His Majesty.  My only advice is that you humble yourself and be a lover of truth.  He is not your typical “christain pastor”, but if you seek hard and study, he will provide the answers. 

    Who am I….I am a nobody just like him.  And, who listens to a nobody?

     

  • farmer

    okayyy, so you’re one of the “humble” 1% who is digesting all the elitist theology from “voice of elijah, inc.” – a word of caution, you just quit thinking for yourself by buying into this stuff. your 1% status makes you an arrogant puppet. i speak from experience with this organization. your sucking in a whole bunch of info that your own brain can’t genuinely handle that’s coming from the essentially elitist arrogant mind of someone else. any preacher or teacher that deluges sincerely seeking people with their philosophies is guilty of treating a sprout like an oak tree during a storm. that stuff will kill you in your young seeking heart. if you’re really trying to find god, don’t let some hyper-intellectual teacher build his foundation on top of what god might actually be trying to do. if you’re new to the spiritual pursuit you’re like a little plant, you can’t deal with all this manure being heaped on you by some guy. run! get out now! if you ever had a “first love” with jesus, this will kill it. it’s because of people like voice of elijah inc. that i can not believe anymore. they are poison.

  • Tactitus Talks

    Try to put things into context, Spain was invaded by Islam around 700 AD, and imagine what the Muslims did Spanish population of Spain.  Over time the Spanish won back their land.  While the Muslims controlled Spain the Jews collaborated with the Muslims.  Ferdinand and Isabella finally drove out the Muslims and the they start weeding out the collaborators and sympathizer.  This is not an extraordinary thing.

     The same thing happened in France(1791) when the mobs removed the Aristocracy, or in Russia (1918) and China (1947) when the “people” removed the “oppressors”, or in all of occupied Europe (1944,1945) after the Nazis were defeated.  Those that supported or were part of the power removed were killed.  Frankly it is an understandable reaction.  You cry for the 2000 killed by Torquemada, but many more were killed by the Atheists of Republican France.  More were killed by the “liberated” peoples in 1944 and 1945, under the acquiescing eyes of Allied Armies I might add. Furthermore, the death toll under the Soviets and Maoists number in the tens of millions.  But these were atheists. You will find that atheists murder people when they are in power at a far greater rate than those poor deluded religious people.   

  • Joel Weymouth

    Try to put things into context, Spain was invaded by Islam around 700 AD, and imagine what the Muslims did Spanish population of Spain.  Over time the Spanish won back their land.  While the Muslims controlled Spain the Jews collaborated with the Muslims.  Ferdinand and Isabella finally drove out the Muslims and the they start weeding out the collaborators and sympathizer.  This is not an extraordinary thing.

     The same thing happened in France(1791) when the mobs removed the Aristocracy, or in Russia (1918) and China (1947) when the “people” removed the “oppressors”, or in all of occupied Europe (1944,1945) after the Nazis were defeated.  Those that supported or were part of the power removed were killed.  Frankly it is an understandable reaction.  You cry for the 2000 killed by Torquemada, but many more were killed by the Atheists of Republican France.  More were killed by the “liberated” peoples in 1944 and 1945, under the acquiescing eyes of Allied Armies I might add. Furthermore, the death toll under the Soviets and Maoists number in the tens of millions.  But these were atheists. You will find that atheists murder people when they are in power at a far greater rate than those poor deluded religious people.   

  • Anonymous

    Basically we must have always fear from God therefore  We must have deed Good  even God will have praise it work.
    http://www.goldenstarkft.com/forum/member.php?180672-Bailbee

  • matt dante

    It doesn’t make god real either.

  • matt dante

    It doesn’t make god real either.

  • matt dante

    It doesn’t make god real either.

  • matt dante

    It doesn’t make god real either.

  • matt dante

    It doesn’t make god real either.

  • matt dante

    It doesn’t make god real either.

  • matt dante

    It doesn’t make god real either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1414930843 Jason Douthitt

    God and Jesus were supposedly the same dude. If you believe in mythology.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1414930843 Jason Douthitt

    The actions of God stated in the Bible make him just as bad as any human could be. Read it and you’ll see.

  • Elementoperation

    the God of the Jews was a jealous God.  a jealous God?  what the hell does that imply?  that there were other gods perhaps.  Samael, the blind god, was the “God’ of the Old Testament.  a powerful and ruthless being who forbade the fruit of knowledge.  if this is true in anyway, he was a complete dick a lot of the time.  Samael is often equated with Satan, btw.  but what do i know.  perhaps a dark god is or was needed?  also, i don’t believe in God.  i believe more in what exceptional people have written and taught that have walked the Earth like we have: Nietzsche, Crowley, Sidartha [sic], and, yes, Jesus.  to quote Barkmarket, “there is no God to break your fall.”  your salvation is your job.  because like it or not, there is no meaning of life.  shit happens, like existence. and unfortunately in many ways, i truly believe the spirit or soul of many people exists beyond this life.  fuck.  what a mess… if i’m correct, then maybe, just maybe, some of us will make it worth all of this crap we go through.  haha.

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