If You Are Poor, It’s Because God Hates Your Guts

God & Money[Site editor’s note: The following is an excerpt from the new Disinformation title 50 Things You’re Not Supposed To Know: Religion, authored by Daniele Bolelli.]

The history of Christianity is like a treasure chest for anyone who is fond of contradictions. The Gospels bicker with each other by relating similar tales in very different ways. But even more obviously, Christianity has often so dramatically departed from the words attributed to Jesus as to make you wonder how these glaring contradictions can be justified. Jesus tells you to “Love your enemies” and “Turn the other cheek”? So let’s show how much we love Jesus by waging crusades, inquisitions, witch-hunts, and brutal campaigns of repression against anyone who doesn’t love Him as much as we do. Jesus’s pacifism has drowned in the hyper-violence that has characterized much of Christian history.

But—we may object—most Christians alive today seem to have lost the bloodthirsty enthusiasm of their ancestors, and are no longer inclined to exterminate non-Christians. Even though it is true enough that chopping the unbelievers’ heads off may no longer be a popular pastime, the vast majority of Christians still conveniently forget about another theme that was central to Jesus’s ideology, and structure their lives in direct opposition to it. Jesus, in fact, was one of the most anti-capitalist thinkers this side of Karl Marx. Yet, most Christians are capitalists. What gives?

The concept of capitalism may have not existed in its modern forms during Jesus’s times, but Jesus’s words about accumulation of wealth leave little to the imagination. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke all report Jesus saying: “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.”

Damn … does it get any blunter than this?

Just to make sure we are paying attention, Jesus hammers the same point over and over, repeating multiple times his condemnation of accumulation of wealth. We find him telling wannabe followers to sell all their possessions and give the money to the poor (in case you are wondering, this made some decide that following Jesus was not such a hot idea anymore). In another passage, he categorically states that you can’t serve God and wealth at the same time. Elsewhere he warns us to focus on spiritual wealth rather than material wealth, and not to “store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy …” In yet a different occasion, he tells “Woe to the rich for you have received your consolation.” And in a series of sentences that are as antithetical to spirit of capitalism as they come, he advises his followers not to make any plans about the future in regards to food and shelter, since God will take care of everyone’s basic needs.

Considering how insistent Jesus is on this topic, it is with little surprise that we find out in other parts of the New Testament how his early followers shared everything among each other, and nearly eliminated private property.

In the face of this ultra-radical stance about wealth by their founder, it would be easy to conclude that most Christians live by making vows of poverty and shunning wealth like the plague. But that’s not quite the way things play out. God may be cool—most modern Christians think—but so is gold. Why should we have to choose one over the other? Ever since the Protestant Reformation, any qualms any Christian may have had about chasing good, old-fashioned cash began to fade. Many Catholics had maintained a theology frowning on accumulation of wealth, but simply had chosen to ignore it in practice. Plenty of Protestants, instead, decided to feel better about the whole thing and banish hypocrisy by reinventing the economic ideology of Christianity. Step one was to conveniently skip the many, many passages mentioned above. Step two was to focus instead on the biblical passages (mostly in the Old Testament) approving of wealth. Step three was to argue that since nothing in the world happens without God willing it, economic success (or the lack of thereof) is a quantifiable way to judge how much God does or does not favor you.

Voilà! The tables are turned and suddenly the obsession for money making has been recycled as a perfectly acceptable Christian endeavor. In the theology endorsed by some Christians (particularly those espousing the quintessential American “gospel of prosperity”) accumulating wealth is not only justifiable but almost a Christian duty since material prosperity is God’s reward for His faithful followers. The obvious corollary is that if you are poor, instead, it is probably because God hates your guts.

What makes this hijacking of Jesus’s message even funnier are the ways in which the God & Gold enthusiasts have tried to claim that Jesus was himself wealthy. Only the rich—they reason—could afford to travel around like he did and not work. But my all time favorite is the argument that Roman soldiers gambled for the right to take Jesus’s underwear after he died suggesting he was so rich that even his underwear was made of very expensive materials.

Really? Is that what this theology hangs by? Jesus underwear? Memo to self: if I ever try to justify my beliefs by appealing to a divine pair of underwear, it’s time to admit defeat.

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  • Godozo

    “…accumulating wealth is not only justifiable but almost a Christian duty
    since material prosperity is God’s reward for His faithful followers.
    The obvious corollary is that if you are poor, instead, it is probably
    because God hates your guts.”

    …or has deemed you as one of the Hell-bound damned. If you believe that “On Earth, as it is in Heaven” implies that how things are on earth implies how things will be in heaven, then failure in business and in life foreshadows punishments and tortures in hell…whereas success on Earth implies glory in Heaven.

    In short, Hugh Hefner will fly in Glory in Heaven, whereas Mother Theresa was given a fifty year glimpse of her afterlife through her crushing depression…

    If you’re a Christian Determinist, that is. Calvinist, in fact.

  • Godozo

    “…accumulating wealth is not only justifiable but almost a Christian duty
    since material prosperity is God’s reward for His faithful followers.
    The obvious corollary is that if you are poor, instead, it is probably
    because God hates your guts.”

    …or has deemed you as one of the Hell-bound damned. If you believe that “On Earth, as it is in Heaven” implies that how things are on earth implies how things will be in heaven, then failure in business and in life foreshadows punishments and tortures in hell…whereas success on Earth implies glory in Heaven.

    In short, Hugh Hefner will fly in Glory in Heaven, whereas Mother Theresa was given a fifty year glimpse of her afterlife through her crushing depression…

    If you’re a Christian Determinist, that is. Calvinist, in fact.

  • Josh

     “Love your neighbor” and “turn the other cheek” are contradictory?  This author demonstrates an understanding of early Christian practice recorded in the New Testament as well as in extra-Biblical works that is inordinate to the authority with which they speak. 

  • Josh

     “Love your neighbor” and “turn the other cheek” are contradictory?  This author demonstrates an understanding of early Christian practice recorded in the New Testament as well as in extra-Biblical works that is inordinate to the authority with which they speak. 

    • Josh

       Re-read and realized I misinterpreted what the author intended in stating the contradiction.  Consider my opening sentence rescinded. 

      However, the general sentiment still stands.  Poor research and a flawed understanding of some basic Biblical narrative still abound.

      • Hoopla

        What, your single example is invalid but your general sentiment still stands? How does that work?
        Jesus’ words seem pretty damn clear on this point, whenever people start wheeling out the “flawed understanding” of the “Biblical narrative” you have to wonder what they are trying to spin!

      • Dave Love

        Jesus was pretty clear on this point, rich people don’t get into heaven.

        • Anonakon

          I love how you people argue amongst one another fending or defending a mans word that lived 2000 years ago from a book that has been misinterpreted and spun out so many times the original meanings have all been lost..

          That aside if people can sit here and argue that its okay for one person to have millions of dollars and waste the money on 10 thousand dollar watches ect and have other people starving to death  then you guys should take a long hard look into the mirror..Because YOU are apart of the problem

          This is how the banksters and governments treat YOU. Who cares what the hell jesus said and how he ment it. Worry about how we treat our fellow human beings today and maybe show a bit of compassion.

          You work your ass off to make millions. Usually once you get to a certain amount you would have had to lie cheat or steal to make that. Our system is fucked up in the sense we can allow people to accumulate this amount of wealth but yet we have entire countries starving.

          There is nothing wrong with supporting your family and making sure they are safe and comfortable. Its another thing when you could be helping out other families but all you care about is spending 20 thousand dollars on your kids christmas.

  • Josh

     Re-read and realized I misinterpreted what the author intended in stating the contradiction.  Consider my opening sentence rescinded. 

    However, the general sentiment still stands.  Poor research and a flawed understanding of some basic Biblical narrative still abound.

  • Hoopla

    What, your single example is invalid but your general sentiment still stands? How does that work?
    Jesus’ words seem pretty damn clear on this point, whenever people start wheeling out the “flawed understanding” of the “Biblical narrative” you have to wonder what they are trying to spin!

  • Hoopla

    What, your single example is invalid but your general sentiment still stands? How does that work?
    Jesus’ words seem pretty damn clear on this point, whenever people start wheeling out the “flawed understanding” of the “Biblical narrative” you have to wonder what they are trying to spin!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=616745953 Doc Bizzle

    so anyone that isn’t homeless and starving is not going to heaven you are saying?  It is better to let your children live on the streets than own a house for them?  I call 100% bogus article

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=616745953 Doc Bizzle

    so anyone that isn’t homeless and starving is not going to heaven you are saying?  It is better to let your children live on the streets than own a house for them?  I call 100% bogus article

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=616745953 Doc Bizzle

    so anyone that isn’t homeless and starving is not going to heaven you are saying?  It is better to let your children live on the streets than own a house for them?  I call 100% bogus article

    • E.B. Wolf

      You won’t starve. God will provide for you. You’re also supposed to put Jesus before your family: 

      “He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” Jesus-Matthew 10:35-37

       “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters — yes, even his own life — he cannot be my disciple.” Jesus- Luke 14:26

      Unless of course, you don’t believe what the bible says and are therefore not a christian.

    • guest

      I wish there was a way to wager a bet, that you are incapable of actually reading every word in any given paragraph.  I bet you only read 3/5 of the words in a paragraph, and probably skip 1/4 of the sentances and 1/6 of the paragraphs in any given essay.  Then you have the audicity to give your opinion, as if you know what the hell you’re talking about.

      I bet you (Doc Bizzle) have already decided what you think about my reply, before you read the end of this very sentance.  

      See, that’s your problem.  That’s why I don’t like people like you.  You and those like you are easily spotted and easily catagorized because the things you (say) in response to essays and articles are all very similar.  Your responses tend to seem as though you read a completely differant article and somehow, by accident, commented on the wrong page.
      This isn’t a case of “I see the world my way, you see it you’rs”; it’s as if you’re seeing a completely differant world, where context, logic and understanding don’t matter.  You picked one or two words out of 1000 and made your assumptions on the authors point.I bet, when you read this, you got two sentences in before your emotions drowned out your logic.  You probably got yourself so excited and worked up by the fourth sentence that you began to skim as fast as you could so you could hurry up and spew out your annoyingly inaccurate take on what was written.Perhaps read the article again, saying each word out loud and pausing at the end of each sentence to reflect it’s meaning.  At the end of each paragraph, stop and ask yourself what the subject was, what that particular paragraph said and how it fits into the entire article.In short, D Bizzy:  No, you dope.  That’s not what he said at all.  Not even close.  An average seven year old wouldn’t even have to think twice before knowing that the author is in no way implying what you think he is.
      (Another reason why your type pisses me off, is because instead of being able to talk about the subject at hand, you’ve distracted people with your terrible sense of context.  It’s like you and those like you are only capable of seeing 70% of the words so you are constantly changing the meaning of peoples sentences.  It’s like not seeing one of the numbers in a sequence of numbers.  10,000 and 100,000 look very similar but are WAY different.  Same with what you’ve done.  What the author wrote, and what you THINK the author wrote LOOK very similar but are WAY different and not close at all.  I suspect you think people don’t care about your opinions and you have no idea why.  It’s because you won’t slow the hell down and think things through before you decide what something or someone means.  Ugh, you’re so annoying.  I could spend hours typing out metaphor after metaphor about why you’re a slug.

  • E.B. Wolf

    You won’t starve. God will provide for you. You’re also supposed to put Jesus before your family: 

    “He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” Jesus-Matthew 10:35-37

     “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters — yes, even his own life — he cannot be my disciple.” Jesus- Luke 14:26

    Unless of course, you don’t believe what the bible says and are therefore not a christian.

  • Misterfurious1

    This is actually a pretty sound and valid article. I grew up catholic and my wife is still a practicing catholic. With that said, it’s pretty obvious that Jesus was against the accumulation of wealth. The basic reasoning is that for every dollar I have, it’s a dollar that someone else doesn’t have. Therefore, I’m taking food and other base necessities out of the hands of others–which is a sin. This is where Christianity and Buddhism relate. Biblical Jesus was basically a pacifist and a beggar, much like early Buddhists or even the old Greek “Cynics.” But, of course, the message has been spun. I attended a Catholic religious ed class for several months with my wife and it used to drive me nuts, because we live in a small town with one Catholic church and therefore the wealthy catholics go to the same services as the poorer catholics. Anyhow, during this religious ed class, the wealthier practitioners would always, and I mean always, try to spin Jesus’s words to mean “poor in spirit” no poor materially.

    I was always tempted to ask those people, “Who is your real god? Money or Jesus, because Jesus is pretty clear about his views on material wealth” but I’m lazy and I never felt like having a bullshit discussion with people.

  • Misterfurious1

    This is actually a pretty sound and valid article. I grew up catholic and my wife is still a practicing catholic. With that said, it’s pretty obvious that Jesus was against the accumulation of wealth. The basic reasoning is that for every dollar I have, it’s a dollar that someone else doesn’t have. Therefore, I’m taking food and other base necessities out of the hands of others–which is a sin. This is where Christianity and Buddhism relate. Biblical Jesus was basically a pacifist and a beggar, much like early Buddhists or even the old Greek “Cynics.” But, of course, the message has been spun. I attended a Catholic religious ed class for several months with my wife and it used to drive me nuts, because we live in a small town with one Catholic church and therefore the wealthy catholics go to the same services as the poorer catholics. Anyhow, during this religious ed class, the wealthier practitioners would always, and I mean always, try to spin Jesus’s words to mean “poor in spirit” no poor materially.

    I was always tempted to ask those people, “Who is your real god? Money or Jesus, because Jesus is pretty clear about his views on material wealth” but I’m lazy and I never felt like having a bullshit discussion with people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Love/100001295587771 Dave Love

    Jesus was pretty clear on this point, rich people don’t get into heaven.

  • DeepCough

    Keep in mind, Jesus was the original Trustafarian. He was given gold, frankincense, and myrrh at his birth, the sort items that only a king at that period would have received.

  • DeepCough

    Keep in mind, Jesus was the original Trustafarian. He was given gold, frankincense, and myrrh at his birth, the sort items that only a king at that period would have received.

  • Nunzio X

    :::economic success (or the lack of thereof) is a quantifiable way to judge how much God does or does not favor you.:::

    But maybe God favors you most when he DOESN’T make you rich. Maybe being rich ain’t all it’s cracked up to be. Maybe chasing after that fucking money all the time is as stupid as craving meth or crack. Maybe it’s OK to have “enough” and be happy with life.

  • Nunzio X

    :::economic success (or the lack of thereof) is a quantifiable way to judge how much God does or does not favor you.:::

    But maybe God favors you most when he DOESN’T make you rich. Maybe being rich ain’t all it’s cracked up to be. Maybe chasing after that fucking money all the time is as stupid as craving meth or crack. Maybe it’s OK to have “enough” and be happy with life.

  • rtb61

    The Christian story is meant to be there are no punishments or rewards on earth only temptation, how you react to that temptation is meant to define your reward or punishment in heaven.
    That message remains pretty consistent through out all religions.
    Yet it is inevitable that lying, cheating, stealing greedy asshats will attempt to distort that and try to hide who they really are by saying “God Blessed them” with what ever reward they what to claim as divine providence rather than the proceeds of sheer unadulterated greed.

  • Anonymous

    The Christian story is meant to be there are no punishments or rewards on earth only temptation, how you react to that temptation is meant to define your reward or punishment in heaven.
    That message remains pretty consistent through out all religions.
    Yet it is inevitable that lying, cheating, stealing greedy asshats will attempt to distort that and try to hide who they really are by saying “God Blessed them” with what ever reward they what to claim as divine providence rather than the proceeds of sheer unadulterated greed.

  • Anonymous

    The Christian story is meant to be there are no punishments or rewards on earth only temptation, how you react to that temptation is meant to define your reward or punishment in heaven.
    That message remains pretty consistent through out all religions.
    Yet it is inevitable that lying, cheating, stealing greedy asshats will attempt to distort that and try to hide who they really are by saying “God Blessed them” with what ever reward they what to claim as divine providence rather than the proceeds of sheer unadulterated greed.

  • Jack

    Great Article, for those who would spend money they really don’t have, having become caught up in this annual shopping frenzy!

  • Jack

    Great Article, for those who would spend money they really don’t have, having become caught up in this annual shopping frenzy!

  • Anonakon

    I love how you people argue amongst one another fending or defending a mans word that lived 2000 years ago from a book that has been misinterpreted and spun out so many times the original meanings have all been lost..

    That aside if people can sit here and argue that its okay for one person to have millions of dollars and waste the money on 10 thousand dollar watches ect and have other people starving to death  then you guys should take a long hard look into the mirror..Because YOU are apart of the problem

    This is how the banksters and governments treat YOU. Who cares what the hell jesus said and how he ment it. Worry about how we treat our fellow human beings today and maybe show a bit of compassion.

    You work your ass off to make millions. Usually once you get to a certain amount you would have had to lie cheat or steal to make that. Our system is fucked up in the sense we can allow people to accumulate this amount of wealth but yet we have entire countries starving.

    There is nothing wrong with supporting your family and making sure they are safe and comfortable. Its another thing when you could be helping out other families but all you care about is spending 20 thousand dollars on your kids christmas.

  • Anarchy Pony

    That’s the calvinist perspective, and calvinism is the basis for dominionism.

  • Anarchy Pony

    That’s the calvinist perspective, and calvinism is the basis for dominionism.

  • Mgthefuture

    What’s most intriguing, is that people who don’t understand the bible, attempt to exogete scriptures. Most of the “Jesus Quotes” were not Jesus speaking of his own person, it was Jesus explaining God. Most of the “poverty scripture” that articles like this tend to reinforce leave out the scripture where jesus says “i lived poor, so that YOU may be rich”. The focus the Jesus dwelt on, is seeking internal guidance VS wealth. To depend on god and your spiritual aspect, rather than money and riches. Because he knew the latter was temporal. The “contradictions” of the bible, show an OLD testament and a NEW testament. It’s 2 pictures of HUMANITY, not God. it’s old testament God reacting to man’s disobedience and outright disrespect VS new testament God who’s voice seems to have dissapeared from the prophets, and instead incarnated a “son” whom came to “walk the talk” as an example. The whole Iniquisition period, and catholic, or roman, or whatever else “HIStory” after the fact, has nothing to do with Jesus, God, or biblical principle. Like today, and any other age, it’s a bunch of people going crazy over land, power, and influence and using a “meme”, in this case Christianity, to reinforce their next move. As with 9/11 we used “terrorism” to attack innocent people. As with napster, we use “anti-piracy” to invade peoples privacy online. So let’s be clear on one thing, Jesus was born rich, and CHOSE to live poor. Jesus has 12 disciples, one of which was the groups “Treasurer”. But he was so in TUNE with his self, that he didn’t have to rely on coin to survive. He would simply grab gold out of the fishes mouth to pay a tax. He proved that though you live amongst the law of the land, you can still be yourself, and if you know WHO yourself is..you don;t have to struggle, labor hard, and be greedy to survive and have a fulfilled life. THe difference 2000 years removed, that media, celebrities, and culture has attached acquisition of material as success, rather than Jesus demonstrating peace, belief, and charity…

    • Andrew

      How do you know Jesus was born rich?

      • Mgthefuture

        2 Corinthians 8:9

    • Jerobam

      your exegesis is precisely what Christ meant when he pointed out that anything but blasphemy against the holy spirit, i.e, the word of God, could be forgiven….Please don’t tell people to ignore what Christ said in Matthew.  Christ said what he meant and meant what he said.  There’s no confusion.

  • Mgthefuture

    What’s most intriguing, is that people who don’t understand the bible, attempt to exogete scriptures. Most of the “Jesus Quotes” were not Jesus speaking of his own person, it was Jesus explaining God. Most of the “poverty scripture” that articles like this tend to reinforce leave out the scripture where jesus says “i lived poor, so that YOU may be rich”. The focus the Jesus dwelt on, is seeking internal guidance VS wealth. To depend on god and your spiritual aspect, rather than money and riches. Because he knew the latter was temporal. The “contradictions” of the bible, show an OLD testament and a NEW testament. It’s 2 pictures of HUMANITY, not God. it’s old testament God reacting to man’s disobedience and outright disrespect VS new testament God who’s voice seems to have dissapeared from the prophets, and instead incarnated a “son” whom came to “walk the talk” as an example. The whole Iniquisition period, and catholic, or roman, or whatever else “HIStory” after the fact, has nothing to do with Jesus, God, or biblical principle. Like today, and any other age, it’s a bunch of people going crazy over land, power, and influence and using a “meme”, in this case Christianity, to reinforce their next move. As with 9/11 we used “terrorism” to attack innocent people. As with napster, we use “anti-piracy” to invade peoples privacy online. So let’s be clear on one thing, Jesus was born rich, and CHOSE to live poor. Jesus has 12 disciples, one of which was the groups “Treasurer”. But he was so in TUNE with his self, that he didn’t have to rely on coin to survive. He would simply grab gold out of the fishes mouth to pay a tax. He proved that though you live amongst the law of the land, you can still be yourself, and if you know WHO yourself is..you don;t have to struggle, labor hard, and be greedy to survive and have a fulfilled life. THe difference 2000 years removed, that media, celebrities, and culture has attached acquisition of material as success, rather than Jesus demonstrating peace, belief, and charity…

  • Andrew

    How do you know Jesus was born rich?

  • Andrew

    How do you know Jesus was born rich?

  • Mgthefuture

    2 Corinthians 8:9

  • Jerobam

    your exegesis is precisely what Christ meant when he pointed out that anything but blasphemy against the holy spirit, i.e, the word of God, could be forgiven….Please don’t tell people to ignore what Christ said in Matthew.  Christ said what he meant and meant what he said.  There’s no confusion.

  • guest

    I wish there was a way to wager a bet, that you are incapable of actually reading every word in any given paragraph.  I bet you only read 3/5 of the words in a paragraph, and probably skip 1/4 of the sentances and 1/6 of the paragraphs in any given essay.  Then you have the audicity to give your opinion, as if you know what the hell you’re talking about.

    I bet you (Doc Bizzle) have already decided what you think about my reply, before you read the end of this very sentance.  

    See, that’s your problem.  That’s why I don’t like people like you.  You and those like you are easily spotted and easily catagorized because the things you (say) in response to essays and articles are all very similar.  Your responses tend to seem as though you read a completely differant article and somehow, by accident, commented on the wrong page.
    This isn’t a case of “I see the world my way, you see it you’rs”; it’s as if you’re seeing a completely differant world, where context, logic and understanding don’t matter.  You picked one or two words out of 1000 and made your assumptions on the authors point.I bet, when you read this, you got two sentences in before your emotions drowned out your logic.  You probably got yourself so excited and worked up by the fourth sentence that you began to skim as fast as you could so you could hurry up and spew out your annoyingly inaccurate take on what was written.Perhaps read the article again, saying each word out loud and pausing at the end of each sentence to reflect it’s meaning.  At the end of each paragraph, stop and ask yourself what the subject was, what that particular paragraph said and how it fits into the entire article.In short, D Bizzy:  No, you dope.  That’s not what he said at all.  Not even close.  An average seven year old wouldn’t even have to think twice before knowing that the author is in no way implying what you think he is.
    (Another reason why your type pisses me off, is because instead of being able to talk about the subject at hand, you’ve distracted people with your terrible sense of context.  It’s like you and those like you are only capable of seeing 70% of the words so you are constantly changing the meaning of peoples sentences.  It’s like not seeing one of the numbers in a sequence of numbers.  10,000 and 100,000 look very similar but are WAY different.  Same with what you’ve done.  What the author wrote, and what you THINK the author wrote LOOK very similar but are WAY different and not close at all.  I suspect you think people don’t care about your opinions and you have no idea why.  It’s because you won’t slow the hell down and think things through before you decide what something or someone means.  Ugh, you’re so annoying.  I could spend hours typing out metaphor after metaphor about why you’re a slug.

  • Guest

    Everyone is capable of getting what they want , it just depends on how much they really want it

    • samthor

      which is why if you look behind nearly every great fortune, you will find a crime somewhere. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692804946 Thom Foolery

      Which is why no one EVER dies of thirst in a desert.

      Or if they do, it is because they really didn’t WANT that water enough…

  • hashu

    Everyone is capable of getting what they want , it just depends on how much they really want it

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=692804946 Thom Foolery

    And Paul, who by his own admission never actually knew Jesus, is to be trusted as an authority on this because… ?

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