Occupy vs. Ron Paul

Ronpaul5Via CNN:

Five members of the Occupy the Caucus movement in Des Moines Iowa were arrested this morning while blockading the entrance to Ron Paul’s campaign headquarters.Using their iconic mic-check speaking style, the protestors spoke out against Ron Paul’s campaign pledge to close the Environmental Protection Agency if elected.

Sitting arm in arm, the members of the Occupy movement chanted; “We are fighting for the future generations. In order to live we need clean air, clean water, and safe food. Don’t dismantle the EPA. We won’t allow this business to open before our demands are met.”

Police gave the protestors the opportunity to move from the private entrance to the public sidewalk twenty feet away. Some complied, but five refused to move and were arrested.

Many of the occupy demonstrators claimed sympathy, if not outright support for the ideology of Ron Paul, which made this protest especially uncomfortable for both the occupiers and the campaign…

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  • Mcdahmers

    They should watch the film Gasland. The EPA has been compromised, it doesn’t serve the same purpose it was created for. The environment is going to shit under the EPA’s watch. We don’t need the EPA- we need something better.

  • RodneyLee

    sounds like a set up to me, we all know the EPA is as crooked as all the other government agencies and needs to be closed…

  • Mcdahmers

    They should watch the film Gasland. The EPA has been compromised, it doesn’t serve the same purpose it was created for. The environment is going to shit under the EPA’s watch. We don’t need the EPA- we need something better.

    • MoralDrift

      we need pitchforks and people power

      • EyeoftheAxis

        With all the Pepper Spray being used in attempt to simply spray the rights of people away, a backpack leaf blower might be a better option than the pitchfork.

      • Ronniedobbs

        and shotguns, don’t forget shotguns

  • Mcdahmers

    They should watch the film Gasland. The EPA has been compromised, it doesn’t serve the same purpose it was created for. The environment is going to shit under the EPA’s watch. We don’t need the EPA- we need something better.

  • RodneyLee

    sounds like a set up to me, we all know the EPA is as crooked as all the other government agencies and needs to be closed…

    • rtb61

      I think you meant to say rebuild and given some real teeth to ensure polluters pay far more in penalties than they generate in profits by polluting.
      When a company so destroys the environment that it shuts down a community than that company should be shut down and it’s executives prosecuted.

    • rtb61

      I think you meant to say rebuild and given some real teeth to ensure polluters pay far more in penalties than they generate in profits by polluting.
      When a company so destroys the environment that it shuts down a community than that company should be shut down and it’s executives prosecuted.

  • RodneyLee

    sounds like a set up to me, we all know the EPA is as crooked as all the other government agencies and needs to be closed…

  • Anonymous

    I think you meant to say rebuild and given some real teeth to ensure polluters pay far more in penalties than they generate in profits by polluting.
    When a company so destroys the environment that it shuts down a community than that company should be shut down and it’s executives prosecuted.

  • OccupyFAIL

    The mantle of the Occupy movement seems to continue to attract some of the dumbest people on the planet. 

    The fact that they failed to establish a cohesive ideology from the beginning is why they will just be a footnote in history. A real lost opportunity to actually change things.

  • OccupyFAIL

    The mantle of the Occupy movement seems to continue to attract some of the dumbest people on the planet. 

    The fact that they failed to establish a cohesive ideology from the beginning is why they will just be a footnote in history. A real lost opportunity to actually change things.

    • Mr Willow

      It is impossible to form a cohesive message addressing the ills of our current socio-politco-economic system when the roots of those ills are so pervasive and intertwined in nearly every facet of our culture that is is difficult to know where ‘reforms’ should start. It is made all the worse by the fact that most Americans will only deem a message ‘cohesive’ and/or ‘valid’ once it has been reduced to something so simplistic that you can fit it on a bumper sticker. 

      The problems of our society are infinitely more complex than those in the private, for-profit news media care to tackle. There, see? I just identified yet another problem that needs to be fixed, but that muddles the message even further, so I guess we can just ignore it. 

      There were a couple of messages I saw on signs that could be a talking point or political slogan: ‘End Corporate Welfare’, ‘Capitalism is Dead’, ‘How about a Maximum Wage?’, or the old stand-by of ‘We are the 99%’. But again, that is a dilution of a multitude of sentiments—environmental concerns, alternative economic theories, alternative energy concerns, the cost of education, campaign finance, et al—into what the majority of Americans have been mentally and emotionally conditioned into equating with Hitler and Stalin, so it may turn out, unless people actually begin thinking critically and doing research about the various subjects to which all of these matters pertain, completely independently and sincerely attempting to form an objective opinion, we shall continue to have the system that we have had since the Industrial Revolution, where only sociopaths are rewarded, and everyone else lives as a slave to them. 

      • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

         Amen brother. Deprogramming people from the TV catchphrases and getting them to grasp that Occupy’s actual strength IS their refusal to narrow their purpose and market it in the traditional fashion. Occupy is all things to all people…loosely bound by the general sentiment that our laissez faire capitalism, ‘free market’ social experiment has been 30+ years of FAIL and needs to be reversed immediately. We already know what worked…because we can look back on the decades of wealth expansion and growth that marked an unprecedented era of American success…which began to wane almost exactly when we started sucking global corporate c*ck like the only air in the universe was hidden in the back of corporate balls.

        • Eric_D_Read

          It’s a strength and a weakness. It helps to organize a diverse group of people to protest the oligarchy, but it also enables MSM propagandists to cherry-pick the most idiotic people there and present them as representative of the overall movement as well as misrepresent their stated goals. Then there’s the ease with which such a loose collective can be infiltrated by saboteurs.

        • tgbobbi

          How about “Unregluated Capitalism = FAIL”

      • tgbobbi

        I’ve got the slogan! “Throw the bums out! Time for a ‘Do-Over’ “

    • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

       I take you meant “They failed to produce a sponsored and market tested buzzword point that can be stated in three seconds or less because the average TV viewer is too gnat-like in their attention span to hold onto more info than that and quickly loses interest…then parrots the claims of the pundits they watched by saying really simplistic things like ‘they don’t know what they want.’ “

      • Eric_D_Read

        Unfortunate but accurate.

  • RP2012

    More anti-Paul sensationalist propaganda. No surprise it should come from CNN. Try harder, faggots!

  • Suddenly Spam!

    I think the worst thing possible to happen in regards of a Ron Paul Presidency was the legions of manbaby followers he somehow attracted on the Internet.

  • Redacted

    I think the worst thing possible to happen in regards of a Ron Paul Presidency was the legions of unwashed manbaby followers he somehow attracted on the Internet.

    • ToLegit_ToLegit2Claim

      Agreed.  Fascists make for more agreeable followers.

    • indigo

      Isnt that basically the same shit people say about Occupy? small minded cunt

  • Mr Willow

    It is impossible to form a cohesive message addressing the ills of our current socio-politco-economic system when the roots of those ills are so pervasive and intertwined in nearly every facet of our culture that is is difficult to know where ‘reforms’ should start. It is made all the worse by the fact that most Americans will only deem a message ‘cohesive’ and/or ‘valid’ once it has been reduced to something so simplistic that you can fit it on a bumper sticker. 

    The problems of our society are infinitely more complex than those in the private, for-profit news media care to tackle. There, see? I just identified yet another problem that needs to be fixed, but that muddles the message even further, so I guess we can just ignore it. 

    There were a couple of messages I saw on signs that could be a talking point or political slogan: ‘End Corporate Welfare’, ‘Capitalism is Dead’, ‘How about a Maximum Wage?’, or the old stand-by of ‘We are the 99%’. But again, that is a dilution of a multitude of sentiments—environmental concerns, alternative economic theories, alternative energy concerns, the cost of education, campaign finance, et al—into what the majority of Americans have been mentally and emotionally conditioned into equating with Hitler and Stalin, so it may turn out, unless people actually begin thinking critically and doing research about the various subjects to which all of these matters pertain, completely independently and sincerely attempting to form an objective opinion, we shall continue to have the system that we have had since the Industrial Revolution, where only sociopaths are rewarded, and everyone else lives as a slave to them. 

  • Anonymous

    we need pitchforks and people power

  • ToLegit_ToLegit2Claim

    Agreed.  Fascists make for more agreeable followers.

  • EyeoftheAxis

    With all the Pepper Spray being used in attempt to simply spray the rights of people away, a backpack leaf blower might be a better option than the pitchfork.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

     I take you meant “They failed to produce a sponsored and market tested buzzword point that can be stated in three seconds or less because the average TV viewer is too gnat-like in their attention span to hold onto more info than that and quickly loses interest…then parrots the claims of the pundits they watched by saying really simplistic things like ‘they don’t know what they want.’ “

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

     Amen brother. Deprogramming people from the TV catchphrases and getting them to grasp that Occupy’s actual strength IS their refusal to narrow their purpose and market it in the traditional fashion. Occupy is all things to all people…loosely bound by the general sentiment that our laissez faire capitalism, ‘free market’ social experiment has been 30+ years of FAIL and needs to be reversed immediately. We already know what worked…because we can look back on the decades of wealth expansion and growth that marked an unprecedented era of American success…which began to wane almost exactly when we started sucking global corporate c*ck like the only air in the universe was hidden in the back of corporate balls.

  • DesMoines”IS”forRONPAUL

    I live in Des Moines these are not the majority the majority of des moines occupiers such as myself are huge ron paul supporters

  • DesMoines”IS”forRONPAUL

    I live in Des Moines these are not the majority the majority of des moines occupiers such as myself are huge ron paul supporters

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I may hold the EPA in contempt at the moment…since its been slowly staffed with corporate weasels and their pals until its job is nothing more than rubber stamping whatever comes across their desk…but that doesn’t mean I want the agency abolished…I want it restaffed and repurposed…given teeth and allowed to bite again. We had a guard dog that scared the crooks…now we have a toothless, blind, purse-dog thats all show and no action.

    This can be fixed…and while I always find Ron Paul a refreshing change from the stale GOP regulars…it still remains a fact that his anti-govt approach includes a love of total deregulation…and an assumption that the ‘marketplace’ will best decide whether companies engage in good practices or not.

    This is just bullshit right on the face of it. The only thing that scares or even slightly impedes criminals is the threat of severe punishment by law or other direct force…and that goes for guys in suits and ties as well as guys in gang colors. The fantasy wet dream of a small and powerless central govt and a magically moral and ethical business world is just that…a fantasy wet dream. The entire history of human conduct over the past 10 millenia displays the exact opposite behavior…no laws, no higher authority of any kind…instant anarchy and massive exploitation of everyone and everything in sight.

    In any case…Paul may be a breath of fresh air…and I always respect his honesty and directness compared to the sneaky backbiting buttcrumbs that make up the entire remainder of the GOP…but the protesters have it right…the pledge was a bad call,,,and a move further in the wrong direction.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I may hold the EPA in contempt at the moment…since its been slowly staffed with corporate weasels and their pals until its job is nothing more than rubber stamping whatever comes across their desk…but that doesn’t mean I want the agency abolished…I want it restaffed and repurposed…given teeth and allowed to bite again. We had a guard dog that scared the crooks…now we have a toothless, blind, purse-dog thats all show and no action.

    This can be fixed…and while I always find Ron Paul a refreshing change from the stale GOP regulars…it still remains a fact that his anti-govt approach includes a love of total deregulation…and an assumption that the ‘marketplace’ will best decide whether companies engage in good practices or not.

    This is just bullshit right on the face of it. The only thing that scares or even slightly impedes criminals is the threat of severe punishment by law or other direct force…and that goes for guys in suits and ties as well as guys in gang colors. The fantasy wet dream of a small and powerless central govt and a magically moral and ethical business world is just that…a fantasy wet dream. The entire history of human conduct over the past 10 millenia displays the exact opposite behavior…no laws, no higher authority of any kind…instant anarchy and massive exploitation of everyone and everything in sight.

    In any case…Paul may be a breath of fresh air…and I always respect his honesty and directness compared to the sneaky backbiting buttcrumbs that make up the entire remainder of the GOP…but the protesters have it right…the pledge was a bad call,,,and a move further in the wrong direction.

  • caine333

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxhfbXp0vrk

    at least 50 of these people are my close friends we are all Ron Paul supporters “WE” are occupy DesMoines

  • caine333

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxhfbXp0vrk

    at least 50 of these people are my close friends we are all Ron Paul supporters “WE” are occupy DesMoines

    • http://twitter.com/MiGaOh Michael G. O’Hair

      But who is Spartacus?

      • Lmnop_nis

        I am Spartacus.

  • Ronniedobbs

    and shotguns, don’t forget shotguns

  • Anonymous

    It’s a strength and a weakness. It helps to organize a diverse group of people to protest the oligarchy, but it also enables MSM propagandists to cherry-pick the most idiotic people there and present them as representative of the overall movement as well as misrepresent their stated goals. Then there’s the ease with which such a loose collective can be infiltrated by saboteurs.

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunate but accurate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/MikesAutoRepair Brandon Johnson

    these occupiers were hippies under a new banner.

  • http://www.facebook.com/MikesAutoRepair Brandon Johnson

    these occupiers were hippies under a new banner.

    • Mr Willow

      I would like to know just what was the matter with the hippies? 

      All their ‘message’ was pertained to the establishment of an ideal world without war, without poverty, without hunger, and for each person to be the driving force of change toward that goal—which they did, to a rather small degree, I admit, opening at least one free clinic in San Francisco (Haight-Ashbury). At worst, hippy mentality is naïveté of a high order, and not necessarily naïveté of society as a thing in itself—that we have in our power to achieve these things—but naïveté in the citizens that surrounded them, who all considered (and still consider) it much too comfortable to be a slave. 

      Anymore, whenever ‘hippy’ is used it is used derogatorily (oh, those silly, smelly hippies, with their tie-dye and flowers [all cosmetic criticism]), when, in fact, I think we could use a bit more reckless idealism. Of course, the ‘hippies’ changed in the late sixties, in an attempt to change society through forceful action (The peaceful sixties will give rise to the violent seventies), but then they were painted as terrorists.

      “I can’t support them; they’re just too peaceful!”
      “I can’t support them; they’re just too violent!”

  • indigo

    Government has never taken care of the environment, only individuals and communities do, and it should remain at the state level. During the Industrial Revolution, big government and corporations worked together, and got away with pollution. Still today, our regulators are bought out by corporations. And im not sure why anyone would think criminals are somehow restrained by the law…look how many in government or the banks that have been prosecuted for corruption over the last couple decades. very few. I mean come on, its not like there arent gonna be laws under a Ron Paul presidency, if anything, they will actually be followed. These bastards need to be regulated by the market because thats the only way they have to face their own risk! otherwise they just get in bed with the government. its that simple! you might think deregulation is a bad idea, but do you really even understand it? Paul doesnt propose this just for shits & giggles, he has a strong philosophy backed up by some of the most influential economic and political thinkers in history. I advise you actually read his books, or actually study this philosophy and WHY he thinks it will work better…when Ron Paul is president, he will be more than happy to explain to everyone in full why these changes will help us. But to try and block this guy over the EPA of all things? Thats embarrassing….that level of intelligence indicates, ‘ummm, we think you hate clean air and water and dont care!’….grow the fuck up already….this is an intelligent man  who knows what hes doing, did you idiots even bother to understand his position and philosophy or you just had some ridiculous emotional reaction to closing a government bureaucracy called the EPA?

  • indigo

    Government has never taken care of the environment, only individuals and communities do, and it should remain at the state level. During the Industrial Revolution, big government and corporations worked together, and got away with pollution. Still today, our regulators are bought out by corporations. And im not sure why anyone would think criminals are somehow restrained by the law…look how many in government or the banks that have been prosecuted for corruption over the last couple decades. very few. I mean come on, its not like there arent gonna be laws under a Ron Paul presidency, if anything, they will actually be followed. These bastards need to be regulated by the market because thats the only way they have to face their own risk! otherwise they just get in bed with the government. its that simple! you might think deregulation is a bad idea, but do you really even understand it? Paul doesnt propose this just for shits & giggles, he has a strong philosophy backed up by some of the most influential economic and political thinkers in history. I advise you actually read his books, or actually study this philosophy and WHY he thinks it will work better…when Ron Paul is president, he will be more than happy to explain to everyone in full why these changes will help us. But to try and block this guy over the EPA of all things? Thats embarrassing….that level of intelligence indicates, ‘ummm, we think you hate clean air and water and dont care!’….grow the fuck up already….this is an intelligent man  who knows what hes doing, did you idiots even bother to understand his position and philosophy or you just had some ridiculous emotional reaction to closing a government bureaucracy called the EPA?

    • Jin The Ninja

      “he has a strong philosophy backed up by some of the most influential economic and political thinkers in history”

      actually no, he continues a variant strain of hyper individualism first posited by french anarchists, and dismissed by the sane european libertarian-socialists, exported to america in the early 1900s. This is where the word “homesteader” libertarian is derived. His theories are not historical, because they do no recognise the forment/foundation of america/constitution for the corrupt patriarchal codification of white male supremacy that they truly are. If one holds faith in capitalism as panacea for both social and environmental ills, they are not intelligent, they are myopic and lack the ability to critically read history and politics.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RN6MBNBQGRXD3FAEGA4P5WUF3M SkinLid

      Agree.  We all have a tendency to jump to conclusions (many just jump right in) before studying and considering all the facts.  Of course the MSM paints a dismal picture of Ron Paul’s philosophies, actions, proposals, etc., which is often effective for inflaming situations like this. 

      Corrupt bankers, corporations, government officials, etc. are scared to death of Ron Paul and they’re using the MSM propaganda machine to do whatever
      they can to bring him down.  Let’s take some time to get all the facts before acting.

  • indigo

    Isnt that basically the same shit people say about Occupy? small minded cunt

  • Jin (仁)

    “he has a strong philosophy backed up by some of the most influential economic and political thinkers in history”

    actually no, he continues a variant strain of hyper individualism first posited by french anarchists, and dismissed by the sane european libertarian-socialists, exported to america in the early 1900s. This is where the word “homesteader” libertarian is derived. His theories are not historical, because they do no recognise the forment/foundation of america/constitution for the corrupt patriarchal codification of white male supremacy that they truly are. If one holds faith in capitalism as panacea for both social and environmental ills, they are not intelligent, they are myopic and lack the ability to critical read history and politics.

  • Mr Willow

    I would like to know just what was the matter with the hippies? 

    All their ‘message’ was pertained to the establishment of an ideal world without war, without poverty, without hunger, and for each person to be the driving force of change toward that goal—which they did, to a rather small degree, I admit, opening at least one free clinic in San Francisco (Haight-Ashbury). At worst, hippy mentality is naïveté of a high order, and not necessarily naïveté of society as a thing in itself—that we have in our power to achieve these things—but naïveté in the citizens that surrounded them, who all considered (and still consider) it much too comfortable to be a slave. 

    Anymore, whenever ‘hippy’ is used it is used derogatorily (oh, those silly, smelly hippies, with their tie-dye and flowers [all cosmetic criticism]), when, in fact, I think we could use a bit more reckless idealism. Of course, the ‘hippies’ changed in the late sixties, in an attempt to change society through forceful action (The peaceful sixties will give rise to the violent seventies), but then they were painted as terrorists.

    “I can’t support them; they’re just too peaceful!”
    “I can’t support them; they’re just too violent!”

  • http://twitter.com/MiGaOh Michael G. O’Hair

    But who is Spartacus?

  • Lmnop_nis

    I am Spartacus.

  • tgbobbi

    I’ve got the slogan! “Throw the bums out! Time for a ‘Do-Over’ “

  • tgbobbi

    How about “Unregluated Capitalism = FAIL”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RN6MBNBQGRXD3FAEGA4P5WUF3M SkinLid

    Agree.  We all have a tendency to jump to conclusions (many just jump right in) before studying and considering all the facts.  Of course the MSM paints a dismal picture of Ron Paul’s philosophies, actions, proposals, etc., which is often effective for inflaming situations like this. 

    Corrupt bankers, corporations, government officials, etc. are scared to death of Ron Paul and they’re using the MSM propaganda machine to do whatever
    they can to bring him down.  Let’s take some time to get all the facts before acting.

  • alien visitor

    If these companies you speak of are so corrupt, then why do you continue to consume their products? Do you not have the free will to decide which corporations to support with your dollars?

    • Andrew

      Who said he consumes their products?  The problem is that other people have the freedom to give money to companies that pollute my environment.  I oppose that freedom.

      • alien visitor

        what if I think your breath smells so bad that it pollutes my environment? do I have the right to throw you in jail just because I don’t like you? or how about that computer you’re using? since it was made by children in sweatshops should I come to your house and take it from you and throw it away? I guess since you don’t want to reform your own behavior yourself, you’re asking outside authority figures to use force against you on your behalf, in any way they think appropriate… yet look at what government ultimately leads to.

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