New Hampshire’s New Scopes Trial

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Aaron Cynic writes at Diatribe Media:

New Hampshire took an early lead this year in the effort to dumb down school students and erode the separation of church and state in the education system by introducing two anti-evolution bills to its state legislature (h/t Mother Jones). The two laws are the first of their kind in the state since the late 90’s. According to the National Center for Science Education, House Bill 1149 would:

“[r]equire evolution to be taught in the public schools of this state as a theory, including the theorists’ political and ideological viewpoints and their position on the concept of atheism.”

House Bill 1457 would:

“[r]equire science teachers to instruct pupils that proper scientific inquire [sic] results from not committing to any one theory or hypothesis, no matter how firmly it appears to be established, and that scientific and technological innovations based on new evidence can challenge accepted scientific theories or modes.”

State Representative Jerry Bergevin, who introduced HB 1149, believes such legislation is necessary because he thinks evolution is tied to Nazis, communists, and the shooters in the 1999 Columbine massacre. According to Bergevin, the political and ideological views of Darwin and other believers and evolutionary scientists, along with their positions on atheism, must be taught to students as well. The New Hampshire Republican told the Concord Monitor:

“I want the full portrait of evolution and the people who came up with the ideas to be presented. It’s a worldview and it’s godless. Atheism has been tried in various societies, and they’ve been pretty criminal domestically and internationally. The Soviet Union, Cuba, the Nazis, China today: they don’t respect human rights.”

He added “As a general court we should be concerned with criminal ideas like this and how we are teaching it. . . . Columbine, remember that? They were believers in evolution. That’s evidence right there.”

Rep Gary Hopper, who introduced HB1457 said that “science is a creative process, not an absolute thing” and he wants creationism taught in classes “so that kids understand that science doesn’t really have all the answers. They are just guessing.”

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  • Thomasm12888

    What the fuck does that prick know about science. A’int the pathetic corporatocratic implementations of social control enough already? 

  • Thomasm12888

    What the fuck does that prick know about science. A’int the pathetic corporatocratic implementations of social control enough already? 

  • Gregory Wyrdmaven

    Hmm…Iowa and New Hampshire…states that are pivotal when it comes time to nominate someone to be president…and the states are full of waterheads who think it’s the year 1012 and not 2012.

    Come, armageddon, come.

  • Gregory Wyrdmaven

    Hmm…Iowa and New Hampshire…states that are pivotal when it comes time to nominate someone to be president…and the states are full of waterheads who think it’s the year 1012 and not 2012.

    Come, armageddon, come.

  • Niv

    Yes, because none the religiously based societies in our history have been domestically and internationally criminal, and cared SO MUCH for human rights. “Evolution is tied to nazis.” What a steaming, sticky load of ingorance. Besides, wasn’t Hitler some kind of Christian? (Don’t quote me on that.)

    “Oops, Godwin’s law. Sorry Mr. Representative, we’ll have to throw this out now.”

    Part of me wants to agree with 1457, in that it just makes sense to not portray as fact something you can’t prove, and to encourage people to look into things themselves. Especially in school, where we’re often simply what “is”, and just how immutable things are. We get too stuck in what we “know” that when we find something new, it has a tendancy to shatter our view on how things work, mostly because we don’t want to suddenly be wrong. That whole “rewriting science” thing that people like to reject out of hand. That’s at least how I see it. Maybe I’m wrong.

    Regardless, I don’t like these Bergevin and Hooper guys. Science is a creative process? What exactly is that supposed to mean? Creative like imaginative? Or like building a house (e.g., combining elements into a new form)? He was half right about science being guess work, and that it doesn’t have all the answers. What he’s overlooking is that it’s informed guessing, LOOKING for the answers. It’s not like that laws of reality are so amorphous as to change every day.

    Hey, I bet some of the Columbine shooters listened to music too! Let’s pass some laws about that! OH, and weren’t they wearing clothes? I bet they even slept in beds! That’s evidence right there!! Oh man, this bigger than we thought!

    I liked the article itself though. But then I’m biased towards people who don’t pretend that shit like this isn’t stupid.

  • Niv

    Yes, because none the religiously based societies in our history have been domestically and internationally criminal, and cared SO MUCH for human rights. “Evolution is tied to nazis.” What a steaming, sticky load of ingorance. Besides, wasn’t Hitler some kind of Christian? (Don’t quote me on that.)

    “Oops, Godwin’s law. Sorry Mr. Representative, we’ll have to throw this out now.”

    Part of me wants to agree with 1457, in that it just makes sense to not portray as fact something you can’t prove, and to encourage people to look into things themselves. Especially in school, where we’re often simply what “is”, and just how immutable things are. We get too stuck in what we “know” that when we find something new, it has a tendancy to shatter our view on how things work, mostly because we don’t want to suddenly be wrong. That whole “rewriting science” thing that people like to reject out of hand. That’s at least how I see it. Maybe I’m wrong.

    Regardless, I don’t like these Bergevin and Hooper guys. Science is a creative process? What exactly is that supposed to mean? Creative like imaginative? Or like building a house (e.g., combining elements into a new form)? He was half right about science being guess work, and that it doesn’t have all the answers. What he’s overlooking is that it’s informed guessing, LOOKING for the answers. It’s not like that laws of reality are so amorphous as to change every day.

    Hey, I bet some of the Columbine shooters listened to music too! Let’s pass some laws about that! OH, and weren’t they wearing clothes? I bet they even slept in beds! That’s evidence right there!! Oh man, this bigger than we thought!

    I liked the article itself though. But then I’m biased towards people who don’t pretend that shit like this isn’t stupid.

  • Niv

    Yes, because none the religiously based societies in our history have been domestically and internationally criminal, and cared SO MUCH for human rights. “Evolution is tied to nazis.” What a steaming, sticky load of ingorance. Besides, wasn’t Hitler some kind of Christian? (Don’t quote me on that.)

    “Oops, Godwin’s law. Sorry Mr. Representative, we’ll have to throw this out now.”

    Part of me wants to agree with 1457, in that it just makes sense to not portray as fact something you can’t prove, and to encourage people to look into things themselves. Especially in school, where we’re often simply what “is”, and just how immutable things are. We get too stuck in what we “know” that when we find something new, it has a tendancy to shatter our view on how things work, mostly because we don’t want to suddenly be wrong. That whole “rewriting science” thing that people like to reject out of hand. That’s at least how I see it. Maybe I’m wrong.

    Regardless, I don’t like these Bergevin and Hooper guys. Science is a creative process? What exactly is that supposed to mean? Creative like imaginative? Or like building a house (e.g., combining elements into a new form)? He was half right about science being guess work, and that it doesn’t have all the answers. What he’s overlooking is that it’s informed guessing, LOOKING for the answers. It’s not like that laws of reality are so amorphous as to change every day.

    Hey, I bet some of the Columbine shooters listened to music too! Let’s pass some laws about that! OH, and weren’t they wearing clothes? I bet they even slept in beds! That’s evidence right there!! Oh man, this bigger than we thought!

    I liked the article itself though. But then I’m biased towards people who don’t pretend that shit like this isn’t stupid.

  • Abe

    funny how he wants to show “facts” but then wants to teach creationism…

  • Abe

    funny how he wants to show “facts” but then wants to teach creationism…

  • Greg Forest

    I can’t for the life of me think of one technological or scientific advance that has its origins in the Bible. Perhaps new technological Dark Age advances in torture devices, might be an exception. THAT is what should be taught. The empirical evidence for walking snakes, virgin births and other miracles SHOULD be taught in schools. A very short course/lecture it would be as such evidence exists only in the mind of the believer.

  • Greg Forest

    I can’t for the life of me think of one technological or scientific advance that has its origins in the Bible. Perhaps new technological Dark Age advances in torture devices, might be an exception. THAT is what should be taught. The empirical evidence for walking snakes, virgin births and other miracles SHOULD be taught in schools. A very short course/lecture it would be as such evidence exists only in the mind of the believer.

  • DeepCough

    Look, assholes, you wanna learn about creationism, then GO TO FUCKING CHURCH!

  • DeepCough

    Look, assholes, you wanna learn about creationism, then GO TO FUCKING CHURCH!

  • BuzzCoastin

    > New Hampshire took an early lead this year
    in the effort to dumb down school students and erode the separation of church and state

    school is already dumbed down and is primarily a state indoctrination system
    mascaraing as a baby-sitting service for worker drones
    to treat this situation as an exceptional attack on edumacation is ridiculous

    this article is designed to promote the idea
    that the present system is actually free and fair
    and that this freedom is under attack
    when in fact the whole edumacation system
    has been designed to produce a nation of compliant morons

    how would the 1% stay in power
    with a critically thinking populous?

    the evolution vs creation argument
    is a shinny object used by the elite
    to move one’s attention from the real problem
    toward specious arguments about “creation”

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    > New Hampshire took an early lead this year
    in the effort to dumb down school students and erode the separation of church and state

    school is already dumbed down and is primarily a state indoctrination system
    mascaraing as a baby-sitting service for worker drones
    to treat this situation as an exceptional attack on edumacation is ridiculous

    this article is designed to promote the idea
    that the present system is actually free and fair
    and that this freedom is under attack
    when in fact the whole edumacation system
    has been designed to produce a nation of compliant morons

    how would the 1% stay in power
    with a critically thinking populous?

    the evolution vs creation argument
    is a shinny object used by the elite
    to move one’s attention from the real problem
    toward specious arguments about “creation”

  • Dunzain

    Well, even if  atheism and believing in evolution would lead to a society of crazy murdering lunatics (it doesn’t) it would not make the creation story TRUE.

  • Dunzain

    Well, even if  atheism and believing in evolution would lead to a society of crazy murdering lunatics (it doesn’t) it would not make the creation story TRUE.

  • Tibus Heth

    Jesus was a pretty cool dude. His dad on the other hand was a dick.

    It’s all academic anyway as neither existed. I’m not sure what the appeal of Jehovah is though, as he seems to be the god of vengeance, horror, and pederasty.

  • Redacted

    Jesus was a pretty cool dude. His dad on the other hand was a dick.

    It’s all academic anyway as neither existed. I’m not sure what the appeal of Jehovah is though, as he seems to be the god of vengeance, horror, and pederasty.

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