Rick Perry Defends The Legality Of Pissing On Dead Foreigners

Rick Perry with George W. Bush

Rick Perry with George W. Bush

With how debased American political “debate” has become, is it any surprise that the 2012 “election” is sinking into the scatological? From CBS News’ Political Hotsheet:

Texas Gov. and presidential aspirant Rick Perry believes the Obama administration is using “over-the-top rhetoric” and shows “disdain for the military” in its handling of the Marines videotaped urinating on dead fighters in Afghanistan.

Speaking to CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley Sunday, Perry said, “What’s really disturbing to me is the over-the-top rhetoric from this administration and their disdain for the military.”

“When you’re 18 or 19, you do dumb things. These kids made a mistake, there’s not any doubt about it,” Perry continued.

He added that those involved in the incident should be “appropriately punished,” but that charging the Marines with a criminal act is “over the top.” He maintained that the soldiers were following in the tradition of Gen. George Patton, who he said acted similarly in war times.

Republican Sen. John McCain told “CBS This Morning” earlier this week that the video would do “great damage” and called for a complete investigation. He said that U.S. service members found guilty should be punished…

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  • Anarchy Pony

    Stay classy Rick.

    • Jin The Ninja

      oh he will. it’s easy when classy is a faux-tudor mcmansion in texas, and your money is the colour of blood and oil.

    • DeepCough

      The word is “good ol’ boy.”

      • Anarchy Pony

        A more detestable kind of person there really isn’t.

        • Tuna Ghost

          Easy now!  Do you understand the consequences of that statement?  Are you really willing to alienate the entire state of Mississippi?

          …oh, wait

  • Anarchy Pony

    Stay classy Rick.

  • Jin (仁)

    oh he will. it’s easy when classy is a faux-tudor mcmansion in texas, and your money is the colour of blood and oil.

  • Dunzain

    “When you’re 18 or 19, you do dumb things. These kids made a mistake, there’s not any doubt about it,” Perry continued.
    Yeah, kill people and piss on them, but don’t you drink any alcohol because you’re underage. 

  • Dunzain

    “When you’re 18 or 19, you do dumb things. These kids made a mistake, there’s not any doubt about it,” Perry continued.
    Yeah, kill people and piss on them, but don’t you drink any alcohol because you’re underage. 

  • Mr Willow

    “When you’re 18 or 19, you do dumb things. These kids made a mistake, there’s not any doubt about it,”

    No, a ‘dumb thing’ would be to get shit faced, as a result go streaking, and then leave a fresh turd on someöne’s doorstep, making the ‘mistake’ of, in fact, shitting on your own doormat. 

    What was done by those ‘kids’ further degraded our reputation (as if we had one worth mentioning to begin with) in an area of the world—we are told—that already sees us as Satan’s spawn, and what’s worse made it even easier for the very people we are actively fighting with to gain new recruits. 

    If anyone over in the Middle East is reading this, please understand that most of the citizens over here find this entire display (both the disrespect our soldiers have shown and this jackass defending it) ghastly and damnable.

  • Mr Willow

    “When you’re 18 or 19, you do dumb things. These kids made a mistake, there’s not any doubt about it,”

    No, a ‘dumb thing’ would be to get shit faced, as a result go streaking, and then leave a fresh turd on someöne’s doorstep, making the ‘mistake’ of, in fact, defecating on your own doormat. 

    What was done by those ‘kids’ further degraded our reputation (as if we had one worth mentioning to begin with) in an area of the world—we are told—that already sees us as Satan’s spawn, and what’s worse made it even easier for the very people we are actively fighting with to gain new recruits. 

    If anyone over in the Middle East is reading this, please understand that most of the citizens over here find this entire display (both the disrespect our soldiers have shown and this jackass defending it) ghastly and damnable.

  • DeepCough

    The word is “good ol’ boy.”

  • Anonymous

    Given that he’s personally signed the death warrant for 278 citizens of his own state, including minors and the mentally disabled whilst maintaining his firm pro-life stance, I think the dead Taliban may have got off light.

  • http://twitter.com/prosperhappily Robert S

    God, he’s an idiot. 

    You don’t have to be that bright to know that it’s wrong and just a flat out PR disaster in a part of the world where we’re already not very popular. 

    I hate to say it, but I’m with Obama on this one. 

  • Anonymous

    Given that he’s personally signed the death warrant for 278 citizens of his own state, including minors and the mentally disabled whilst maintaining his firm pro-life stance, I think the dead Taliban may have got off light.

  • Spike1138

    Given that he’s personally signed the death warrant for 278 citizens of his own state, including minors and the mentally disabled whilst maintaining his firm pro-life stance, I think the dead Taliban may have got off light.

  • http://twitter.com/prosperhappily Robert S

    God, he’s an idiot. 

    You don’t have to be that bright to know that it’s wrong and just a flat out PR disaster in a part of the world where we’re already not very popular. 

    I hate to say it, but I’m with Obama on this one. 

  • Spike1138

    Given that he’s personally signed the death warrant for 278 citizens of his own state, including minors and the mentally disabled whilst maintaining his firm pro-life stance, I think the dead Taliban may have got off light.

  • Anarchy Pony

    A more detestable kind of person there really isn’t.

  • Anonymous

    Every time I see Rick Perry, I start to think really warmly of that Percy guy from The Green Mile.

    Even by Texas standards, he’s a butcher. He and George W. really pushed the envelope in judicial terminations on their watch… Texas has executed 1228 people since 1819, 248 between 248 between 2000-2009 *alone*, with another 166 the decade before under Bush.

    Very Christian, very compassionate. Well done. Your Invisible Man in the Sky must be really proud of you.

  • Spike1138

    Every time I see Rick Perry, I start to think really warmly of that Percy guy from The Green Mile.

    Even by Texas standards, he’s a butcher. He and George W. really pushed the envelope in judicial terminations on their watch… Texas has executed 1228 people since 1819, 248 between 248 between 2000-2009 *alone*, with another 166 the decade before under Bush.

    Very Christian, very compassionate. Well done. Your Invisible Man in the Sky must be really proud of you.

  • Anonymous

    I mean, to even talk about “disdain for the military”…? Jesus, what balls… Does any element of this “disdain” for the US military Obama supposedly expresses extend to him or any member of his administration *literally* pissing on them, alive OR dead..?

    The Geneva Convention may have been shredded into fireeplace kindling by the Bush Administration, but this is SO much older and more fundamental than that… It goes against all the Rules of War and common sense to boot, even the Crusaders back in the 12th Century knew better than to mistreat their prisoners of war or desecrate or mutilate the bodies of their dead enemies because they knew full well, within a week, THEY could be the ones captured and held in the Saracen camp, held for ransom.

    You treat enemies soldiers humanely, and respectfully if they’re dead. Whatever they did or were going to do to you, they’ve paid with their lives, so all debts are null and void. And that counts double when they’re irregulars (as here, since by definition, there is no such thing as Taliban regular troops.)

    Idiot.

  • Spike1138

    I mean, to even talk about “disdain for the military”…? Jesus, what balls… Does any element of this “disdain” for the US military Obama supposedly expresses extend to him or any member of his administration *literally* pissing on them, alive OR dead..?

    The Geneva Convention may have been shredded into fireeplace kindling by the Bush Administration, but this is SO much older and more fundamental than that… It goes against all the Rules of War and common sense to boot, even the Crusaders back in the 12th Century knew better than to mistreat their prisoners of war or desecrate or mutilate the bodies of their dead enemies because they knew full well, within a week, THEY could be the ones captured and held in the Saracen camp, held for ransom.

    You treat enemies soldiers humanely, and respectfully if they’re dead. Whatever they did or were going to do to you, they’ve paid with their lives, so all debts are null and void. And that counts double when they’re irregulars (as here, since by definition, there is no such thing as Taliban regular troops.)

    Idiot.

  • Anonymous

    If a dark-skinned man in a turban with a beard walked into the middle of Arlington, yanked out his pecker and began watering USMC headstones whilst his room-mate uploaded it onto YouTube, Fox would be demanding an immediate retaliatory nuclear strike against Tehran and everybody knows it.

    If he dropped his pants, pinched out a loaf and left a deposit on Edwin Walker’s grave, before wiping his ass with the flag, they’d probably extend the demand to Ridyah, Islamabad and Gaza too.

  • Spike1138

    If a dark-skinned man in a turban with a beard walked into the middle of Arlington, yanked out his pecker and began watering USMC headstones whilst his room-mate uploaded it onto YouTube, Fox would be demanding an immediate retaliatory nuclear strike against Tehran and everybody knows it.

    If he dropped his pants, pinched out a loaf and left a deposit on Edwin Walker’s grave, before wiping his ass with the flag, they’d probably extend the demand to Ridyah, Islamabad and Gaza too.

    • Hadrian999

      you are totally off base with that statement…….he would be shot by the tomb guard

  • Nunzio X

    In a country that openly pisses on its own Constitution, perhaps Prick Perry’s statement is “understandable.”

  • Nunzio X

    In a country that openly pisses on its own Constitution, perhaps Prick Perry’s statement is “understandable.”

  • chinagreenelvis

    If what Mr. Perry says is right, then perhaps we shouldn’t be sending 18 and 19 year-olds into war.

    This is really just another example of how politicians will say literally anything to criticize each other. Anything. Literally every single thing that happens is an opportunity for criticism. It’s the most annoying game in history, and it’s just going to keep going on forever and ever.
    Fuck politics.

  • chinagreenelvis

    If what Mr. Perry says is right, then perhaps we shouldn’t be sending 18 and 19 year-olds into war.

    This is really just another example of how politicians will say literally anything to criticize each other. Anything. Literally every single thing that happens is an opportunity for criticism. It’s the most annoying game in history, and it’s just going to keep going on forever and ever.
    Fuck politics.

  • chinagreenelvis

    If what Mr. Perry says is right, then perhaps we shouldn’t be sending 18 and 19 year-olds into war.

    This is really just another example of how politicians will say literally anything to criticize each other. Anything. Literally every single thing that happens is an opportunity for criticism. It’s the most annoying game in history, and it’s just going to keep going on forever and ever.
    Fuck politics.

  • chinagreenelvis

    If what Mr. Perry says is right, then perhaps we shouldn’t be sending 18 and 19 year-olds into war.

    This is really just another example of how politicians will say literally anything to criticize each other. Anything. Literally every single thing that happens is an opportunity for criticism. It’s the most annoying game in history, and it’s just going to keep going on forever and ever.
    Fuck politics.

  • truth hurts

    “When you’re 18 or 19, you do dumb things… (like join the military?)

  • truth hurts

    “When you’re 18 or 19, you do dumb things… (like join the military?)

    • Redacted

      Well, its a paycheck. The GI Bill is pretty nifty too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nathanjhamilton Nathan J Hamdozer

    I don’t think “these kids made a mistake” necessarily equates to “defends the legality of pissing on dead foreigners.”

    Still, conservatives have to all wear the flag lapel pins, defend our troops to the death, and kiss the ring of Toby Keith.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nathanjhamilton Nathan J Hamdozer

    I don’t think “these kids made a mistake” necessarily equates to “defends the legality of pissing on dead foreigners.”

    Still, conservatives have to all wear the flag lapel pins, defend our troops to the death, and kiss the ring of Toby Keith.

  • Nathan J Hamdozer

    I don’t think “these kids made a mistake” necessarily equates to “defends the legality of pissing on dead foreigners.”

    Still, conservatives have to all wear the flag lapel pins, defend our troops to the death, and kiss the ring of Toby Keith.

  • Tuna Ghost

    God he’s out of the race and he’s still finding ways to make my world an uglier place, this is the sort of thing that makes it easier to entertain the notion of violence as an acceptable means of communication

  • Tuna Ghost

    God he’s out of the race and he’s still finding ways to make my world an uglier place, this is the sort of thing that makes it easier to entertain the notion of violence as an acceptable means of communication

  • Tuna Ghost

    God he’s out of the race and he’s still finding ways to make my world an uglier place, this is the sort of thing that makes it easier to entertain the notion of violence as an acceptable means of communication

    • Hadrian999

      it totally makes me a supporter of texas succession

      • Calypso_1

        and then its subsequent invasion by Mexico.

  • Hadrian999

    it is against the geneva convention, maybe the inlisted marines shouldn’t be charged but if not their chain of command should, this is a breakdown of discipline  and discipline is the only thing that holds things together on a deployment, without strict discipline the line of acceptable behavior moves every day and before you know it you are a monster. lack of discipline is behind most of the worst atrocities in the recent wars. the troops need to know there is a line and they need the line to be enforced. if officers and ncos weren’t lax in their duties this couldn’t happen

  • Hadrian999

    it is against the geneva convention, maybe the inlisted marines shouldn’t be charged but if not their chain of command should, this is a breakdown of discipline  and discipline is the only thing that holds things together on a deployment, without strict discipline the line of acceptable behavior moves every day and before you know it you are a monster. lack of discipline is behind most of the worst atrocities in the recent wars. the troops need to know there is a line and they need the line to be enforced. if officers and ncos weren’t lax in their duties this couldn’t happen

  • Hadrian999

    it is against the geneva convention, maybe the inlisted marines shouldn’t be charged but if not their chain of command should, this is a breakdown of discipline  and discipline is the only thing that holds things together on a deployment, without strict discipline the line of acceptable behavior moves every day and before you know it you are a monster. lack of discipline is behind most of the worst atrocities in the recent wars. the troops need to know there is a line and they need the line to be enforced. if officers and ncos weren’t lax in their duties this couldn’t happen

    • Spike1138

      Well, Donald Rumsfeld dismissed the Geneva Convention as the formal policy of the Bush White House for being “quaint”, and not appropriate or practical for the nature of the ongoing military campaign; the flimsy rationale for that being that the 1949 version of the Convention only envisioned internal Civil Wars within nation states and international conflicts between two or more national armies (made up of uniformed, regular troops) clashing, along with irregular troops/armed civilians out of uniform defending their land and property as a civil defence force; the theory goes than because terrorists don’t wear uniforms and are thus ALL irregular troops, operating covertly, and because they specifically focus their attacks civilian targets, those rules are not applicable. Which is absolute Bull, if you’re standing in Afghanistan with a US flag on your shoulder and 8 guys are firing AK-47s at you for it, you can be pretty sure after that point that these men are soldiers, albeit irregular troops and should be treated as such under the convention.

      Obama has not said one wore about Geneva to my knowledge, the only standard for the treatment of the enemy I’ve heard him specify is the Uniform Code of Military Justice in relation to the issue of torturing captured terror suspects. He certainly has not gone at all out of his way to make it clear that it’s belief that Geneva protection DOES apply to the enemy in these cases

      • Hadrian999

        it’s important for our troops, not for the enemy. a friend of mine killed himself over what he did in war, he wasn’t a bad person but he was in a situation without clear lines and he wasn’t really trained for the role he found himself in. discipline and human behavior are the only way to anchor ourselves in times of war, It is too easy to descend into barbarism when you take men and women out of their world and ask them to do extreme things with no hard rules.

        • Spike1138

          I’m really sorry about what happened to your friend. I wish I could say that I’m shocked, but unfortunately, I’m not. It’s something you hear so much, these days.

          You’re right about the NCOs. It’s their job to keep the boys in their unit safe, and that means in every sense. That includes protecting them from themselves and ruining their careers, their lives and their own future mental well-being by checking their behaviour, laying down some boundaries to conduct themselves with decency and honour and setting a good example.

          Unfortunately, good, well-balanced, experienced, level-headed and competent career NCOs are the most difficult resource there is to acquire or develop, just because it takes years under even the best conditions for that individual to take shape. And 13 years into constant warring and campaigning, it’s practically impossible to have enough of them left alive or still in uniform after that time to begin to cover your needs. And you simply cannot pay them what they’re worth to keep them where they’re needed.

          A Major General might stay in uniform until he retires at 55 or 60. Even the best Staff Sargent with combat experience under live fire is unlikely to stay in stripes much past 30, especially if he’s started a family back home.They just can’t pay them enough to justify risking their neck for another two or three tours if the guy’s got kids.

        • Spike1138

          I’m really sorry about what happened to your friend. I wish I could say that I’m shocked, but unfortunately, I’m not. It’s something you hear so much, these days.

          You’re right about the NCOs. It’s their job to keep the boys in their unit safe, and that means in every sense. That includes protecting them from themselves and ruining their careers, their lives and their own future mental well-being by checking their behaviour, laying down some boundaries to conduct themselves with decency and honour and setting a good example.

          Unfortunately, good, well-balanced, experienced, level-headed and competent career NCOs are the most difficult resource there is to acquire or develop, just because it takes years under even the best conditions for that individual to take shape. And 13 years into constant warring and campaigning, it’s practically impossible to have enough of them left alive or still in uniform after that time to begin to cover your needs. And you simply cannot pay them what they’re worth to keep them where they’re needed.

          A Major General might stay in uniform until he retires at 55 or 60. Even the best Staff Sargent with combat experience under live fire is unlikely to stay in stripes much past 30, especially if he’s started a family back home.They just can’t pay them enough to justify risking their neck for another two or three tours if the guy’s got kids.

  • Hadrian999

    you are totally off base with that statement…….he would be shot by the tomb guard

  • Hadrian999

    you are totally off base with that statement…….he would be shot by the tomb guard

  • Tuna Ghost

    Easy now!  Do you understand the consequences of that statement?  Are you really willing to alienate the entire state of Mississippi?

    …oh, wait

  • Hadrian999

    it totally makes me a supporter of texas succession

  • Anonymous

    Well, Donald Rumsfeld dismissed the Geneva Convention as the formal policy of the Bush White House for being “quaint”, and not appropriate or practical for the nature of the ongoing military campaign; the flimsy rationale for that being that the 1949 version of the Convention only envisioned internal Civil Wars within nation states and international conflicts between two or more national armies (made up of uniformed, regular troops) clashing, along with irregular troops/armed civilians out of uniform defending their land and property as a civil defence force; the theory goes than because terrorists don’t wear uniforms and are thus ALL irregular troops, operating covertly, and because they specifically focus their attacks civilian targets, those rules are not applicable. Which is absolute Bull, if you’re standing in Afghanistan with a US flag on your shoulder and 8 guys are firing AK-47s at you for it, you can be pretty sure after that point that these men are soldiers, albeit irregular troops and should be treated as such under the convention.

    Obama has not said one wore about Geneva to my knowledge, the only standard for the treatment of the enemy I’ve heard him specify is the Uniform Code of Military Justice in relation to the issue of torturing captured terror suspects. He certainly has not gone at all out of his way to make it clear that it’s belief that Geneva protection DOES apply to the enemy in these cases

  • Hadrian999

    it’s important for our troops, not for the enemy. a friend of mine killed himself over what he did in war, he wasn’t a bad person but he was in a situation without clear lines and he wasn’t really trained for the role he found himself in. discipline and human behavior are the only way to anchor ourselves in times of war, It is too easy to descend into barbarism when you take men and women out of their world and ask them to do extreme things with no hard rules.

  • PIss In Obama’s Ass

    Lol, this country sure does make a lot of commotion over stupid shit. So what if you piss on a dead body, ARE YOU GOING TO ARREST THE BUGS THAT WILL BE EATING AND SHITTING ON THE DEAD BODY TOO? Phhhh, you people lol…are really just something.

  • PIss In Obama’s Ass

    Lol, this country sure does make a lot of commotion over stupid shit. So what if you piss on a dead body, ARE YOU GOING TO ARREST THE BUGS THAT WILL BE EATING AND SHITTING ON THE DEAD BODY TOO? Phhhh, you people lol…are really just something.

    • Andrew

      If you want to base your moral beliefs on the behavior of insects, that’s fine, but don’t expect anyone else to let you make decisions regarding law or policy.

      • JaceD

        Nice rebuttal. I’m sure he’d be saying something different if he had any empathy… Or if it was his brother being pissed on by some cunt fuck from another country

  • Tibus Heth

    Well, its a paycheck. The GI Bill is pretty nifty too.

  • Andrew

    If you want to base your moral beliefs on the behavior of insects, that’s fine, but don’t expect anyone else to let you make decisions regarding law or policy.

  • Anonymous

    Nice rebuttal. I’m sure he’d be saying something different if he had any empathy… Or if it was his brother being pissed on by some cunt fuck from another country

  • Anonymous

    I’m really sorry about what happened to your friend. I wish I could say that I’m shocked, but unfortunately, I’m not. It’s something you hear so much, these days.

    You’re right about the NCOs. It’s their job to keep the boys in their unit safe, and that means in every sense. That includes protecting them from themselves and ruining their careers, their lives and their own future mental well-being by checking their behaviour, laying down some boundaries to conduct themselves with decency and honour and setting a good example.

    Unfortunately, good, well-balanced, experienced, level-headed and competent career NCOs are the most difficult resource there is to acquire or develop, just because it takes years under even the best conditions for that individual to take shape. And 13 years into constant warring and campaigning, it’s practically impossible to have enough of them left alive or still in uniform after that time to begin to cover your needs. And you simply cannot pay them what they’re worth to keep them where they’re needed.

    A Major General might stay in uniform until he retires at 55 or 60. Even the best Staff Sargent with combat experience under live fire is unlikely to stay in stripes much past 30, especially if he’s started a family back home.They just can’t pay them enough to justify risking their neck for another two or three tours if the guy’s got kids.

  • Anonymous

    I’m really sorry about what happened to your friend. I wish I could say that I’m shocked, but unfortunately, I’m not. It’s something you hear so much, these days.

    You’re right about the NCOs. It’s their job to keep the boys in their unit safe, and that means in every sense. That includes protecting them from themselves and ruining their careers, their lives and their own future mental well-being by checking their behaviour, laying down some boundaries to conduct themselves with decency and honour and setting a good example.

    Unfortunately, good, well-balanced, experienced, level-headed and competent career NCOs are the most difficult resource there is to acquire or develop, just because it takes years under even the best conditions for that individual to take shape. And 13 years into constant warring and campaigning, it’s practically impossible to have enough of them left alive or still in uniform after that time to begin to cover your needs. And you simply cannot pay them what they’re worth to keep them where they’re needed.

    A Major General might stay in uniform until he retires at 55 or 60. Even the best Staff Sargent with combat experience under live fire is unlikely to stay in stripes much past 30, especially if he’s started a family back home.They just can’t pay them enough to justify risking their neck for another two or three tours if the guy’s got kids.

  • Anonymous

    and then its subsequent invasion by Mexico.

  • ThatOneGuy

    Not enough up votes in the world. Could we just give them to mexico?

    • Calypso_1

      Only if Austin becomes a free city state ie the Vatican.  Otherwise that sounds like an interesting solution to illegal immigration. 

  • Anarchy Pony

    Lulz.