SOPA On The Shelf

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Is there still hope for freedom? Probably not, but at least we’ve got the next best thing: The Interwebs! From the Washington Monthly Political Animal blog by Steve Benen:

Misguided efforts to combat online privacy have been threatening to stifle innovation, suppress free speech, and even, in some cases, undermine national security. As of yesterday, though, there’s a lot less to worry about.

At issue are two related bills: the Senate’s Protect IP Act and the even more offensive Stop Online Piracy Act in the House, both of which are generated intense opposition from tech giants and First Amendment advocates. The first sign that the bills’ prospects were dwindling came Friday, when SOPA sponsors agreed to drop a key provision that would have required service providers to block access to international sites accused of piracy.

The legislation ran into an even more significant problem yesterday when the White House announced its opposition to the bills. Though the administration’s chief technology officials officials acknowledged the problem of online privacy, the White House statement presented a fairly detailed critique of the measures and concluded, “We will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet.” It added that any proposed legislation “must not tamper with the technical architecture of the Internet.”

Until now, the Obama administration had not taken a position on the issue. The response was published yesterday as part of the online “We The People” petition initiative launched by the White House last year.

Though the administration did issue a formal veto threat, the White House’s opposition signaled the end of these bills, at least in their current form.

A few hours later, Congress shelved SOPA, putting off action on the bill indefinitely…

[continues at the Washington Monthly Political Animal blog]

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  • Jackanory

    Sorry, as a much abused and ripped-off artist who doesn’t want his work
    stolen anymore by people who think other people’s blood, sweat, and
    tears should be free for the taking…. I’m siding with SOPA. If any of
    you respected or understood the working writer, musician, actor, or film
    maker (the 99% that don’t own a mansion and a sports car) then you
    would see just how your thievery is destroying the lives and livelihoods
    of those that are trying their best to entertain you.

    Make theft ILLEGAL and PUNISHABLE. God knows we artists have taken enough punishment from freeloading consumers already.

  • Jackanory

    Sorry, as a much abused and ripped-off artist who doesn’t want his work
    stolen anymore by people who think other people’s blood, sweat, and
    tears should be free for the taking…. I’m siding with SOPA. If any of
    you respected or understood the working writer, musician, actor, or film
    maker (the 99% that don’t own a mansion and a sports car) then you
    would see just how your thievery is destroying the lives and livelihoods
    of those that are trying their best to entertain you.

    Make theft ILLEGAL and PUNISHABLE. God knows we artists have taken enough punishment from freeloading consumers already.

    • kungfu82

      Oh fuck off, jack. Ever heard of Art for Arts Sake? The only thing SOPA would support is the studios and labels that distribute music.  Half of the artists that are successful today are a direct result of the internet, whether they were discovered there or they received influences by the web. It’s people like you, siding with the restriction of civil liberties, who just wanna get paid, that cause so much harm to the freedoms of others.  

      The world is restructuring itself, and those trying to nickel and dime others will be left in the dust by a new culture that freely expresses itself without the expectation of repayment. “I copyrighted that sound wave! Pay me!” You sound like an ass. 

      If the process of creation isn’t reward enough, then you are not doing it right. Learn to fuck with the lights on.

      • Jackanory

        Yes Kungfu82, only a selfish asshole with no responsibilities or people to take care of would say “Art for Art Sakes”. It’s a little catch phrase used by everyone who just LOVES their freedom to continually steal from those that create.

        I’m sure you don’t go to your job (maybe even a job you love?) and not expect a paycheck at the end of the week. Why is that not good enough for artists? No, I’m sure you’d like to believe that all art should simply be done for the love of spending 40+ hours a week of your time making something, dedicating your life and liberties to the creation, only to be taken by someone like you when you feel entitled to it without giving anything back in return.

        Of course you do. That way you can continue ripping stuff off with a clean conscience, blissfully unaware of who you may be helping to put out of a job or a passion. That kind of ignorance must truly be blissful. 

        The internet? Great exposure? I’m sure someone somewhere had told you that most bands DIE from exposure.

        We artists are all forced to remain silent in the face of mass theft of our work, or we risk being spat at by legions self-entitled thieves. Heaven forbid that we’d like to create our art, make a little money, and use that money to pay utility bills, rent, and maybe some groceries…

        • Andrew

          What kind of art do you make?

      • The Jammer

        Kung Fu Man… Art for Art sake really doesn’t stop you getting evicted from the studio where you make your art because you couldn’t pay the rent anymore because your art-goods were being stolen en masse instead of being bought…

        “Art for Art’s sake” doesn’t jive with the landlord or the electrical company. Know what I’m saying? In fact, it really doesn’t jive with anybody who wants to be paid for the shit that THEY do. 

        Just saying. 

        • Padraig

          if it wasn’t for the web you would be nowhere in the first place, just sayin

          • The Jammer

            That statement, also, is untrue. 

        • JaceD

          kungfu82 is absolutely correct, there is more to art than making a dollar. I’m grateful that we have the ability to download- legal or otherwise, I make music and the only way to put it out to the world is to have people listen and download it. I get nothing out of it other than knowing people enjoy what I make.
          Most artists in the music world get a tiny cut for every album they sell, they get most of their money from playing live shows (Talking about full-time musicians here).

    • Mr Willow

      SOPA does not protect individual artists, it only protects the media company who holds copyright over their creation(s).

      • Jackanory

        Yes, the media companies that employ THOUSANDS of us in many different artistic capacities: The assistant producers, the sound engineers, the studio operators, the writers, the session musicians, the lyricists, the vocal coaches, the list goes on and on.

        • Anarchy Pony

          So you are the sock puppet that comes out swinging with the bullshit human shield defense that corps so love to tout these days? Why are you put in the position in the first place? You are dependent on the income/employment paradigm? Do you ever actually look at the big picture? 

          • Jackanory

            Do you think Google would be opposed to SOPA if illegal downloading was crippling their bottom line? You THAT corporation would be raising their fists in the air with you?

            You ever look at the big picture (the real one, not the free-art-utopia you all think is on the horizon)?

          • Jackanory

            Here’s the deal Anarchy Pony: We’ll stop being dependent on the income/employment paradigm when the rest of the world does. When the planet rids itself of money and adheres to a trading and bartering system, and we can all frolic in golden meadows without a care in the world, then artists can start to live that farfetched existence.

            Until the world decides to operate differently, don’t expect us to lead the charge and be your cannon fodder by creating “Art for Art’s sake”.

          • Defeatmechanism

            You never replied to the question asked of you, Jack.  What kind of “art” do you make?  I am a graphic artist, a musician, a recording/live sound engineer, and a writer.  I’ve put so much time into learning and putting all of these things into practice my entire life BECAUSE I ENJOY DOING THEM, not because I had aspirations of becoming rich (or even supporting myself, for that matter).  On occasion, I’ve had the good fortune of profiting from these skills.

            You see, there HAS ALREADY been a shift that you apparently were left unaware of:  These days a TALENTED writer may have to do more than write.  He/she may have to give seminars or sit on discussion panels in addition to writing to profit from their “work”, much in the same way that a TALENTED musician KNOWS he may give away his recorded “work” to generate interest in live performance of that “art”.  Gone are the days in which the hucksters can rake millions of dollars pushing plastic discs with doctored performances on them without coming correct in the performance of it (and good riddance).

            I like to think that part of what makes a person an “artist” is the ability to see, hear, or think about things in innovative ways.  You seem to be stuck in the box somewhere defending the old scheme instead of CREATING a new one.  

            Where IS your creativity, Jack? 

          • The Jammer

            But you’ve kinda been forced to spread yourself so thin… right? All these things that you do? And you happen to be good at… what about those that are only good at less than a third of those things (but rock the absolute shit out of them)? Should they get kicked to the curb because the couldn’t juggle half a dozen or more endeavors?

            Just saying. 

          • Padraig

            go get ‘em boy/girl? and thanks for airing your undoubted integrity

          • Padraig

            like everybody on this page is trying to tell you, you prick….money, money, fucking money, you make me puke

        • Mr Willow

          Oh, yes, the ‘job creators’ that take the wealth generated by your creation and skim some off the top—because they were actually involved in its creation, right?—to line their pockets, while giving you a fraction of it back. 

          That is just as much theft as some thirteen year old downloading something from The Pirate Bay.

    • Jinotegano

      Dumb-ass!!! If you’re afraid some one will enjoy your work(which I think is doubtful) DON”T PUT IT ON THE WEB………….Dumb-ass!!

      • Jackanory

        My work has been enjoyed by thousands and thousands of people. And my work was never put on the web by me or anyone I employ. But it was put on there without my permission and disseminated against my wishes, no matter how much I asked people not to.

        And no, I will not tell anyone who I am or the work I do. And I certainly don’t make my art under the moniker of JACKANORY. Think I’d make myself a target for all those who absolutely don’t want to be told that stealing is wrong?

        Brats. You’ll finally get it when you all grow up.

        • Aurelia_Imako

          hmm….Jack you have some intresting and surpriseingly sounds arguments and I happen to agree with alot of them…but….and this is one fat ass but here…..I will not and cannot support SOPA.

          You see the thing about that bill is…that it effectively gives almost complete control of the internet to the big corperations regardless of who actually owns the copyright. While you are right that yes the big corps do employ thousands of people and yes theift is wrong, do you honestly think that once given that kind of control over the web that those big corps will tolerate the existance of the small artist who is NOT being a pirite and is only making thier own work availible to the pubic? In other words..the compitition?

    • Defeatmechanism

      I pity you, Jack.  Perhaps you’ve been in the game for so long that you’ve forgotten how to be that creative, innovative person who got himself into a position to profit from his work.  Think harder on this one, brother.  Do you not understand how many of these “freeloading consumers” have turned another person onto your work whom you have made a profit from.  It’s the new PR.  Get with it and do it yourself instead of relying on your bosses to profit from your work and offer you a small portion of it.  Any REAL artist knows all of this, and I’m sure that somewhere inside of you, underneath your fear of the new generation outdoing you (which is inevitable), you know it too.

    • Hadrian999
    • gaytheotherway

      considering i can find better undeground singer i dont give a shit ontop of that they sign themselves into slavery, like the other dude said, have you seen the typical record deal contract, its disguosting. y pay for itunes when i can convert YT music videos into crystal clear audio for free? i thought singing was a passion not a cash thing.

      • The Jammer

        Well said. 

    • Padraig

      you self-obsessed pseud!! get a life you no-hoper, get out of your bedroom and work! who are you to tell me i don’t respect and understand anyone? If the net goes down it will be directly attributable to you and people like you, you absolutely disgust me

  • kungfu82

    Oh fuck off, jack. Ever heard of Art for Arts Sake? The only thing SOPA would support is the studios and labels that distribute music.  Half of the artists that are successful today are a direct result of the internet, whether they were discovered there or they received influences by the web. It’s people like you, siding with the restriction of civil liberties, who just wanna get paid, that cause so much harm to the freedoms of others.  

    The world is restructuring itself, and those trying to nickel and dime others will be left in the dust by a new culture that freely expresses itself without the expectation of repayment. “I copyrighted that sound wave! Pay me!” You sound like an ass. 

    If the process of creation isn’t reward enough, then you are not doing it right. Learn to fuck with the lights on.

  • Lurchlangdon

    @924f6859c399f39796a21040d3dd2551:disqus You sir are the worst kind of person,please research something be for you start crying treason. Thanks and have a terrible day.

  • Lurchlangdon

    @924f6859c399f39796a21040d3dd2551:disqus You sir are the worst kind of person,please research something be for you start crying treason. Thanks and have a terrible day.

  • Lurchlangdon

    @kungfu82 EXACTLY. Thank you,I just didn’t want to text wall,but you took the thoughts right out of my head.

  • Lurchlangdon

    @kungfu82 EXACTLY. Thank you,I just didn’t want to text wall,but you took the thoughts right out of my head.

  • dave

    @924f6859c399f39796a21040d3dd2551:disqus yes, you are a fuckking idiot.. ‘much abused’ and ripped off artist’.. haha

  • dave

    @924f6859c399f39796a21040d3dd2551:disqus yes, you are a fuckking idiot.. ‘much abused’ and ripped off artist’.. haha

  • Mr Willow

    SOPA does not protect individual artists, it only protects the media company who holds copyright over your creation. 

  • Jackanory

    Yes Kungfu82, only a selfish asshole with no responsibilities or people to take care of would say “Art for Art Sakes”. It’s a little catch phrase used by everyone who just LOVES their freedom to continually steal from those that create.

    I’m sure you don’t go to your job (maybe even a job you love?) and not expect a paycheck at the end of the week. Why is that not good enough for artists? No, I’m sure you’d like to believe that all art should simply be done for the love of spending 40+ hours a week of your time making something, dedicating your life and liberties to the creation, only to be taken by someone like you when you feel entitled to it without giving anything back in return.

    Of course you do. That way you can continue ripping stuff off with a clean conscience, blissfully unaware of who you may be helping to put out of a job or a passion. That kind of ignorance must truly be blissful. 

    The internet? Great exposure? I’m sure someone somewhere had told you that most bands DIE from exposure.

    We artists are all forced to remain silent in the face of mass theft of our work, or we risk being spat at by legions self-entitled thieves. Heaven forbid that we’d like to create our art, make a little money, and use that money to pay utility bills, rent, and maybe some groceries…

  • Jackanory

    Yes, the media companies that employ THOUSANDS of us in many different artistic capacities: The assistant producers, the sound engineers, the studio operators, the writers, the session musicians, the lyricists, the vocal coaches, the list goes on and on.

  • Andrew

    What kind of art do you make?

  • Anarchy Pony

    So you are the sock puppet that comes out swinging with the bullshit human shield defense that corps so love to tout these days? Why are you put in the position in the first place? You are dependent on the income/employment paradigm? Do you ever actually look at the big picture? 

  • Jackanory

    Do you think Google would be opposed to SOPA if illegal downloading was crippling their bottom line? You THAT corporation would be raising their fists in the air with you?

    You ever look at the big picture (the real one, not the free-art-utopia you all think is on the horizon)?

  • Jinotegano

    Dumb-ass!!! If you’re afraid some one will enjoy your work(which I think is doubtful) DON”T PUT IT ON THE WEB………….Dumb-ass!!

  • Jackanory

    Here’s the deal Anarchy Pony: We’ll stop being dependent on the income/employment paradigm when the rest of the world does. When the planet rids itself of money and adheres to a trading and bartering system, and we can all frolic in golden meadows without a care in the world, then artists can start to live that farfetched existence.

    Until the world decides to operate differently, don’t expect us to lead the charge and be your cannon fodder by creating “Art for Art’s sake”.

  • Mr Willow

    Oh, yes, the ‘job creators’ that take the wealth generated by your creation and skim some off the top—because they were actually involved in its creation, right?—to line their pockets, while giving you a fraction of it back. 

    That is just as much theft as some thirteen year old downloading something from The Pirate Bay.

  • Jackanory

    My work has been enjoyed by thousands and thousands of people. And my work was never put on the web by me or anyone I employ. But it was put on there without my permission and disseminated against my wishes, no matter how much I asked people not to.

    And no, I will not tell anyone who I am or the work I do. And I certainly don’t make my art under the moniker of JACKANORY. Think I’d make myself a target for all those who absolutely don’t want to be told that stealing is wrong?

    Brats. You’ll finally get it when you all grow up.

  • Jackanory

    My work has been enjoyed by thousands and thousands of people. And my work was never put on the web by me or anyone I employ. But it was put on there without my permission and disseminated against my wishes, no matter how much I asked people not to.

    And no, I will not tell anyone who I am or the work I do. And I certainly don’t make my art under the moniker of JACKANORY. Think I’d make myself a target for all those who absolutely don’t want to be told that stealing is wrong?

    Brats. You’ll finally get it when you all grow up.

  • Jackanory

    My work has been enjoyed by thousands and thousands of people. And my work was never put on the web by me or anyone I employ. But it was put on there without my permission and disseminated against my wishes, no matter how much I asked people not to.

    And no, I will not tell anyone who I am or the work I do. And I certainly don’t make my art under the moniker of JACKANORY. Think I’d make myself a target for all those who absolutely don’t want to be told that stealing is wrong?

    Brats. You’ll finally get it when you all grow up.

  • Jinotegano

    Protecting your work is your responsibility not the governments.  I create art as well I make cabnets do you think I would put one in central park with a sign that said “For Sale  $2,500″ and walk off and think that it would be safe?  If I were that stupid do you think I should go running to the Man and demand he put measures in place to protect my stupid-ass ?   NO, Dumb-ass…. If your Art is worth a shit the word will get around and the people willing to pay will find you…..They find me.

  • Jinotegano

    Protecting your work is your responsibility not the governments.  I create art as well I make cabnets do you think I would put one in central park with a sign that said “For Sale  $2,500″ and walk off and think that it would be safe?  If I were that stupid do you think I should go running to the Man and demand he put measures in place to protect my stupid-ass ?   NO, Dumb-ass…. If your Art is worth a shit the word will get around and the people willing to pay will find you…..They find me.

    • The Jammer

      Yeah, but MP3s and Cabinets are apples and oranges. You can acquire music through file sharing easily… you can’t download a cabinet. Of course an internet presence for your physical goods is a good thing. The only thing that can be stolen is pics of them. C’mon dude. 

  • Yer Dad

    Wow, he should change his name to Jackassery.

    Let’s protect the Big Music so they can keep ripping off artists for themselves.
    Two great examples:

    1) The R&B, Soul, blues and early rock and roll artists we raped in the ass as a matter of course.
    It’s why Chuck Berry went to business school, so he could learn to protect himself.

    2) Have you EVER seen the typical recording contract!!?? It’s DISGUSTING.
    I’ve known several musicians (and heard of scores more) that were so indebted to
    the music suits, that it took four or five successful releases before they even
    broke even.

    F*uck you, and f*ck the corrupt music suits. You’re a bona fide moron. 

  • Yer Dad

    Wow, he should change his name to Jackassery.

    Let’s protect the Big Music so they can keep ripping off artists for themselves.
    Two great examples:

    1) The R&B, Soul, blues and early rock and roll artists we raped in the ass as a matter of course.
    It’s why Chuck Berry went to business school, so he could learn to protect himself.

    2) Have you EVER seen the typical recording contract!!?? It’s DISGUSTING.
    I’ve known several musicians (and heard of scores more) that were so indebted to
    the music suits, that it took four or five successful releases before they even
    broke even.

    F*uck you, and f*ck the corrupt music suits. You’re a bona fide moron. 

  • Defeatmechanism

    You never replied to the question asked of you, Jack.  What kind of “art” do you make?  I am a graphic artist, a musician, a recording/live sound engineer, and a writer.  I’ve put so much time into learning and putting all of these things into practice my entire life BECAUSE I ENJOY DOING THEM, not because I had aspirations of becoming rich (or even supporting myself, for that matter).  On occasion, I’ve had the good fortune of profiting from these skills.

    You see, there HAS ALREADY been a shift that you apparently were left unaware of:  These days a TALENTED writer may have to do more than write.  He/she may have to give seminars or sit on discussion panels in addition to writing to profit from their “work”, much in the same way that a TALENTED musician KNOWS he may give away his recorded “work” to generate interest in live performance of that “art”.  Gone are the days in which the hucksters can rake millions of dollars pushing plastic discs with doctored performances on them without coming correct in the performance of it (and good riddance).

    I like to think that part of what makes a person an “artist” is the ability to see, hear, or think about things in innovative ways.  You seem to be stuck in the box somewhere defending the old scheme instead of CREATING a new one.  

    Where IS your creativity, Jack? 

  • Defeatmechanism

    I pity you, Jack.  Perhaps you’ve been in the game for so long that you’ve forgotten how to be that creative, innovative person who got himself into a position to profit from his work.  Think harder on this one, brother.  Do you not understand how many of these “freeloading consumers” have turned another person onto your work whom you have made a profit from.  It’s the new PR.  Get with it and do it yourself instead of relying on your bosses to profit from your work and offer you a small portion of it.  Any REAL artist knows all of this, and I’m sure that somewhere inside of you, underneath your fear of the new generation outdoing you (which is inevitable), you know it too.

  • Hadrian999
  • Aurelia_Imako

    hmm….Jack you have some intresting and surpriseingly sounds arguments and I happen to agree with alot of them…but….and this is one fat ass but here…..I will not and cannot support SOPA.

    You see the thing about that bill is…that it effectively gives almost complete control of the internet to the big corperations regardless of who actually owns the copyright. While you are right that yes the big corps do employ thousands of people and yes theift is wrong, do you honestly think that once given that kind of control over the web that those big corps will tolerate the existance of the small artist who is NOT being a pirite and is only making thier own work availible to the pubic? In other words..the compitition?

  • Aurelia_Imako

    hmm….Jack you have some intresting and surpriseingly sounds arguments and I happen to agree with alot of them…but….and this is one fat ass but here…..I will not and cannot support SOPA.

    You see the thing about that bill is…that it effectively gives almost complete control of the internet to the big corperations regardless of who actually owns the copyright. While you are right that yes the big corps do employ thousands of people and yes theift is wrong, do you honestly think that once given that kind of control over the web that those big corps will tolerate the existance of the small artist who is NOT being a pirite and is only making thier own work availible to the pubic? In other words..the compitition?

  • sandy

     online piracy is very big issue for big companies

    Sandy
    http://filmmakingeasy.blogspot.com/

  • gaytheotherway

    considering i can find better undeground singer i dont give a shit ontop of that they sign themselves into slavery, like the other dude said, have you seen the typical record deal contract, its disguosting. y pay for itunes when i can convert YT music videos into crystal clear audio for free? i thought singing was a passion not a cash thing.

  • The Jammer

    Wow… so this argument went pretty much the way I expected… An artist getting angry over his art being stolen, and consumers getting angry that he is angry over it…

    I’d like to throw in my two (or more) cents here. I don’t know what level of the entertainment biz that JACKANORY is in, but I myself am an independent music artist that used to get by on the music he made, but now can no longer… and it has a lot to do with piracy unfortunately. 

    First of all, is SOPA the answer to piracy problems? I’d have to say NO. So we’ll get that out of the way first.

    Second, is piracy a problem? Hells Fucking Yes (pardon my french). In fact, it has reached pretty unbelievable levels. 

    As an independent artists, I’m not in bed with the majors. So I flog my stuff mostly on the internet. Would it be nice if more people bought my music rather than stole it? Sure! Is that realistic? Not really. Does the internet spread my music far and wide. Yes it does, but not necessarily to my benefit. I like that my music can get around the world and then some. It’s totally awesome. But that worldwide reach doesn’t seem to benefit me very much, other than to maybe stroke my own ego :)

    (On a side note, one thing that JACKO said “Most bands die from exposure”… He might be misguided on a few things, but he’s right on the money on that one. Trust me.)

    More people have ripped off (The band was called METHODOLOGY, feel free to check it out on iTunes) the music than bought it, but I’m still pleased that they’ve acquired it regardless. However, I don’t make music anymore because too much is taken and not much is bought. I wasn’t looking to get rich, I was just looking to make enough so that I could continue making more and more of it by dedicating the necessary time and effort to the craft without the hinderance of having to spend lots of hours away from the studio in order to work jobs I hated in order to make up for lost income.

    The internet first looked like a Godsend. A way to connect artist to consumer without the aggravation of the middlemen (the majors). Brilliant! Then along came filesharing…

    Now artists are split on the issues of illegal downloading, but for the ones that are against it, they usually remain silent. They remain silent because they don’t want to incur the wrath of those that are doing the downloading (People who can effectively cause boycotts, tension, stress. Looking at some of these responses alone on this page, you can see the venom I’m talking about). Its a weird situation where keeping silent is kind of like paying Protection Money to a mob that threatens to lean on you if you don’t smile and play nice. I have noticed that really nobody wants to even acknowledge that online theft might have repercussions. And if it even is acknowledged, then its instantly deferred to a sort of “We’re sticking it to the man, giving the finger to the corporations” self-congratulatory attitude…

    But I’m not using the big corporations… I’m the little man. I’m independent. My music gets ripped off just like the majors, and no one seems to care that I’m small and struggling because they’re just used to taking what they want when they want. I tell you honestly that I’ve seen first hand the damage that piracy can cause. People used to buy my work, and I got to make a little more of it. Now they don’t, and as a result I don’t (Marriage, new babies, that kind of thing popped up). I’ve also seen a lot of my friends in the business have to hang up their instruments because they couldn’t even make minimum wage with their music… and it wasn’t because they weren’t good. The numbers of downloads on Limewire and Kazaa will testify to that. If there music had been bought instead of stolen, they could have invested their earnings in more creations. 

    So my question is this then…. Just how do we make this thing work? How do consumers get a fair deal and artists get a fair deal too? How will both be treated with mutual respect, and how do we make that happen without people getting angry and defensive? 

  • The Jammer

    Wow… so this argument went pretty much the way I expected… An artist getting angry over his art being stolen, and consumers getting angry that he is angry over it…

    I’d like to throw in my two (or more) cents here. I don’t know what level of the entertainment biz that JACKANORY is in, but I myself am an independent music artist that used to get by on the music he made, but now can no longer… and it has a lot to do with piracy unfortunately. 

    First of all, is SOPA the answer to piracy problems? I’d have to say NO. So we’ll get that out of the way first.

    Second, is piracy a problem? Hells Fucking Yes (pardon my french). In fact, it has reached pretty unbelievable levels. 

    As an independent artists, I’m not in bed with the majors. So I flog my stuff mostly on the internet. Would it be nice if more people bought my music rather than stole it? Sure! Is that realistic? Not really. Does the internet spread my music far and wide. Yes it does, but not necessarily to my benefit. I like that my music can get around the world and then some. It’s totally awesome. But that worldwide reach doesn’t seem to benefit me very much, other than to maybe stroke my own ego :)

    (On a side note, one thing that JACKO said “Most bands die from exposure”… He might be misguided on a few things, but he’s right on the money on that one. Trust me.)

    More people have ripped off (The band was called METHODOLOGY, feel free to check it out on iTunes) the music than bought it, but I’m still pleased that they’ve acquired it regardless. However, I don’t make music anymore because too much is taken and not much is bought. I wasn’t looking to get rich, I was just looking to make enough so that I could continue making more and more of it by dedicating the necessary time and effort to the craft without the hinderance of having to spend lots of hours away from the studio in order to work jobs I hated in order to make up for lost income.

    The internet first looked like a Godsend. A way to connect artist to consumer without the aggravation of the middlemen (the majors). Brilliant! Then along came filesharing…

    Now artists are split on the issues of illegal downloading, but for the ones that are against it, they usually remain silent. They remain silent because they don’t want to incur the wrath of those that are doing the downloading (People who can effectively cause boycotts, tension, stress. Looking at some of these responses alone on this page, you can see the venom I’m talking about). Its a weird situation where keeping silent is kind of like paying Protection Money to a mob that threatens to lean on you if you don’t smile and play nice. I have noticed that really nobody wants to even acknowledge that online theft might have repercussions. And if it even is acknowledged, then its instantly deferred to a sort of “We’re sticking it to the man, giving the finger to the corporations” self-congratulatory attitude…

    But I’m not using the big corporations… I’m the little man. I’m independent. My music gets ripped off just like the majors, and no one seems to care that I’m small and struggling because they’re just used to taking what they want when they want. I tell you honestly that I’ve seen first hand the damage that piracy can cause. People used to buy my work, and I got to make a little more of it. Now they don’t, and as a result I don’t (Marriage, new babies, that kind of thing popped up). I’ve also seen a lot of my friends in the business have to hang up their instruments because they couldn’t even make minimum wage with their music… and it wasn’t because they weren’t good. The numbers of downloads on Limewire and Kazaa will testify to that. If there music had been bought instead of stolen, they could have invested their earnings in more creations. 

    So my question is this then…. Just how do we make this thing work? How do consumers get a fair deal and artists get a fair deal too? How will both be treated with mutual respect, and how do we make that happen without people getting angry and defensive? 

    • The Jammer

      And everyone’s comments on the Big Labels being a bunch of crooks… you’re absolutely right.
      They are, and the example they set is horrendous. So the behavior of the majors is wrong… and illegal downloading is wrong…But how do two wrongs make a right?

    • http://feastofbeast.tumblr.com/ DJBabyBuster

      Dear Jammer a few thoughts:
       
      Try bandcamp, it seems to be working for most artists. 

      Read this: http://blog.bandcamp.com/2012/01/03/cheaper-than-free/

      Put out your music on vinyl. Vinyl Vinyl Vinyl.  I think the solution to piracy will come with a new wave of analog physical format music.  The average person is not going to copy a vinyl.

      Then people can’t “steal.” I assume you meant copy, because technically copying data isn’t stealing, but its all the same result.

      • The Jammer

        I agree and I’m a HUGE vinyl fan. My collection takes up an eighth of my apartment :)

  • The Jammer

    And everyone’s comments on the Big Labels being a bunch of crooks… you’re absolutely right.
    They are, and the example they set is horrendous. So the behavior of the majors is wrong… and illegal downloading is wrong…But how do two wrongs make a right?

  • The Jammer

    Yeah, but MP3s and Cabinets are apples and oranges. You can acquire music through file sharing easily… you can’t download a cabinet. Of course an internet presence for your physical goods is a good thing. The only thing that can be stolen is pics of them. C’mon dude. 

  • The Jammer

    Kung Fu Man… Art for Art sake really doesn’t stop you getting evicted from the studio where you make your art because you couldn’t pay the rent anymore because your art-goods were being stolen en masse instead of being bought…

    “Art for Art’s sake” doesn’t jive with the landlord or the electrical company. Know what I’m saying? In fact, it really doesn’t jive with anybody who wants to be paid for the shit that THEY do. 

    Just saying. 

  • The Jammer

    But you’ve kinda been forced to spread yourself so thin… right? All these things that you do? And you happen to be good at… what about those that are only good at less than a third of those things (but rock the absolute shit out of them)? Should they get kicked to the curb because the couldn’t juggle half a dozen or more endeavors?

    Just saying. 

  • The Jammer

    Well said. 

  • The Jammer
  • The Jammer
  • Padraig

    anyone who thinks of the internet first and foremost as a market-place to peddle goods can go screw themselves as far as i am concerned. Go and sell your soul someplace else. Its the presence of such people that has given the big corporations the leverage to be able to mount these attacks in the first place. Everything i am interested in i am able to read for free, if it isn’t i’ll buy a book. Musicians, go out and earn your living on the road and take your chances on the web at your own risk. Stop whining, if you are in it for the money you are probably shite anyway, you should be flattered anyone has taken the time to listen in the first place. Is it an unfortunate coincidence that “Jammer” is a term for the interruption of communications, or just Karma being ironic?

  • Padraig

    anyone who thinks of the internet first and foremost as a market-place to peddle goods can go screw themselves as far as i am concerned. Go and sell your soul someplace else. Its the presence of such people that has given the big corporations the leverage to be able to mount these attacks in the first place. Everything i am interested in i am able to read for free, if it isn’t i’ll buy a book. Musicians, go out and earn your living on the road and take your chances on the web at your own risk. Stop whining, if you are in it for the money you are probably shite anyway, you should be flattered anyone has taken the time to listen in the first place. Is it an unfortunate coincidence that “Jammer” is a term for the interruption of communications, or just Karma being ironic?

  • Padraig

    anyone who thinks of the internet first and foremost as a market-place to peddle goods can go screw themselves as far as i am concerned. Go and sell your soul someplace else. Its the presence of such people that has given the big corporations the leverage to be able to mount these attacks in the first place. Everything i am interested in i am able to read for free, if it isn’t i’ll buy a book. Musicians, go out and earn your living on the road and take your chances on the web at your own risk. Stop whining, if you are in it for the money you are probably shite anyway, you should be flattered anyone has taken the time to listen in the first place. Is it an unfortunate coincidence that “Jammer” is a term for the interruption of communications, or just Karma being ironic?

    • The Jammer

      “If you are in it for the money you are probably shite anyway.”… that statement could not be more untrue or unfair. In fact, most art that has some sort of financial or patron support is the very best produced. 

      That was SHITE statement. 

  • Padraig

    you self-obsessed pseud!! get a life you no-hoper, get out of your bedroom and work! who are you to tell me i don’t respect and understand anyone? If the net goes down it will be directly attributable to you and people like you, you absolutely disgust me

  • Padraig

    if it wasn’t for the web you would be nowhere in the first place, just sayin

  • Padraig

    like everybody on this page is trying to tell you, you prick….money, money, fucking money, you make me puke

  • Padraig

    go get ‘em boy/girl? and thanks for airing your undoubted integrity

  • Anonymous

    kungfu82 is absolutely correct, there is more to art than making a dollar. I’m grateful that we have the ability to download- legal or otherwise, I make music and the only way to put it out to the world is to have people listen and download it. I get nothing out of it other than knowing people enjoy what I make.
    Most artists in the music world get a tiny cut for every album they sell, they get most of their money from playing live shows (Talking about full-time musicians here).

  • http://feastofbeast.tumblr.com/ DJBabyBuster

    Dear Jammer a few thoughts:
     
    Try bandcamp, it seems to be working for most artists. 

    Read this: http://blog.bandcamp.com/2012/01/03/cheaper-than-free/

    Put out your music on vinyl. Vinyl Vinyl Vinyl.  I think the solution to piracy will come with a new wave of analog physical format music.  The average person is not going to copy a vinyl.

    Then people can’t “steal.” I assume you meant copy, because technically copying data isn’t stealing, but its all the same result.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s what CBS Interactive, has done to help spread internet piracy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScE1Vz9XrNE

  • Anonymous

    Here’s what CBS Interactive, has done to help spread internet piracy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScE1Vz9XrNE

  • mpanthera

    Here’s what CBS Interactive, has done to help spread internet piracy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScE1Vz9XrNE

  • The Jammer

    “If you are in it for the money you are probably shite anyway.”… that statement could not be more untrue or unfair. In fact, most art that has some sort of financial or patron support is the very best produced. 

    That was SHITE statement. 

  • The Jammer

    That statement, also, is untrue. 

  • The Jammer

    I agree and I’m a HUGE vinyl fan. My collection takes up an eighth of my apartment :)

  • The Jammer

    I agree and I’m a HUGE vinyl fan. My collection takes up an eighth of my apartment :)

  • guest

    The artist Pretty Lights prides himself on distributing his music free online. You can download it off of torrent sights, but during his concerts he tells everyone to download them off his own sight rather than a torrent. You know what?  Most torrent users have respected that and its actually hard to find his full albums on torrents.

    Pretty Lights makes his music off of live venues and signing up to his sight (he gets advertisements $$) you can get as much music as you want. 

  • guest

    The artist Pretty Lights prides himself on distributing his music free online. You can download it off of torrent sights, but during his concerts he tells everyone to download them off his own sight rather than a torrent. You know what?  Most torrent users have respected that and its actually hard to find his full albums on torrents.

    Pretty Lights makes his music off of live venues and signing up to his sight (he gets advertisements $$) you can get as much music as you want. 

  • guest

    The artist Pretty Lights prides himself on distributing his music free online. You can download it off of torrent sights, but during his concerts he tells everyone to download them off his own sight rather than a torrent. You know what?  Most torrent users have respected that and its actually hard to find his full albums on torrents.

    Pretty Lights makes his music off of live venues and signing up to his sight (he gets advertisements $$) you can get as much music as you want. 

    • guest

      you can also buy his albumbs via usb stick after the concerts. 

  • guest

    you can also buy his albumbs via usb stick after the concerts. 

  • guest

    you can also buy his albumbs via usb stick after the concerts. 

  • http://twitter.com/anarcho anarcho

    Let me share something here,  I only mention this not because no one knows this,  but that it was not mentioned.  Some of the posts here seem to not understand the nature of the beast that we are dealing with – corporations and the US government (merely a franchise of the elite) partner with one another.  There is a symbiotic relationship between what they moneyed elite want in the USA and the corporate media,  all one has to do as an example,  is look at all of the companies that want to sell technology to the government (their wet dream) which further invades what thread bare privacy the public is left with.

    When you are talking about something like SOPA you have to understand that elite interests will use whatever “legitimate” industries they can to control the population.  This is what media in the corporate sense really is,  whether it is informational (news) or entertainment (which is supposed to tell you what “normal” is supposed to be) – they work hand and glove.  Another example,  if you want to just look at the entertainment aspect,  is how often Hollywood works with the military industrial complex – to make war attractive,  or to spin that we are always the “good guys” in whatever conflict.  Informational media is just a mixture of silence in what the powers that be do not want spotlighted or just bold faced lies (both on foreign and domestic issues). 

    Here is an excerpt from a recent post I made on my blog (I will provide the link) –

    “They have noted
    the great uprisings that have occurred globally,  and specifically in
    the be
    lly of the beast,  the USA.  So they have allowed these two issues
    to drive their agenda of coercive force – the gathering together of the
    people into an opposing force,  and one of the chief instruments used
    to disseminate information and solidify some form of global solidarity, 
    the internet.  Marry to it the primal concern for the loss of an
    industry which cannot keep up with the times (corporate media,  both
    informational and popular),  the ones who censor through lies and the
    absence of information thereof (news) and who try to tell you how to
    live (pushing popular fantasies), to try to regain the control of the
    population – make what is familiar, subservient and loyal the only
    media.  Sow the seeds of fear in the dissenters by threatening them and
    even use indefinite detention,  to stop the wave of protest that might
    turn revolutionary.  THAT is what is essentially taking place with these
    freedom killing bills,  they did not just happen by accident unless you
    have a stochastic bent,  but they are planned.  Proving that this
    current system needs to be totally dismantled by the people.”

    http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-12_cy-2011_m-12_d-16_y-2011_o-0.html

    So the issues we are discussing go much deeper than just making a living,  what is legal and what is not,  and if they can they will try to set one group of people on another group,  just to employ a divide and conquer methodology. The control is so immense that there are even music groups which have struck out against their own industries

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQCR21ZNv24&feature=player_embedded

    They can easily shelve this SOPA for now because they have multiple methodologies to do similar activity,  and I noticed on an above post at Disinfo that someone has picked up on it,  employing the tactics of cyber war where I will do another post.  They just abdicate the cover of using and industry with seeming legitimate complaints,  but they will by no means stop the process of oppression.

  • anarcho

    Let me share something here,  I only mention this not because no one knows this,  but that it was not mentioned.  Some of the posts here seem to not understand the nature of the beast that we are dealing with – corporations and the US government (merely a franchise of the elite) partner with one another.  There is a symbiotic relationship between what the moneyed elite want in the USA and the corporate media,  all one has to do as an example,  is look at all of the companies that want to sell technology to the government (their wet dream) which further invades what thread bare privacy the public is left with.

    When you are talking about something like SOPA you have to understand that elite interests will use whatever “legitimate” industries they can to control the population.  This is what media in the corporate sense really is,  whether it is informational (news) or entertainment (which is supposed to tell you what “normal” is supposed to be) – they work hand and glove.  Another example,  if you want to just look at the entertainment aspect,  is how often Hollywood works with the military industrial complex – to make war attractive,  or to spin that we are always the “good guys” in whatever conflict.  Informational media is just a mixture of silence in what the powers that be do not want spotlighted or just bold faced lies (both on foreign and domestic issues). 

    Here is an excerpt from a recent post I made on my blog (I will provide the link) –

    “They have noted
    the great uprisings that have occurred globally,  and specifically in
    the be
    lly of the beast,  the USA.  So they have allowed these two issues
    to drive their agenda of coercive force – the gathering together of the
    people into an opposing force,  and one of the chief instruments used
    to disseminate information and solidify some form of global solidarity, 
    the internet.  Marry to it the primal concern for the loss of an
    industry which cannot keep up with the times (corporate media,  both
    informational and popular),  the ones who censor through lies and the
    absence of information thereof (news) and who try to tell you how to
    live (pushing popular fantasies), to try to regain the control of the
    population – make what is familiar, subservient and loyal the only
    media.  Sow the seeds of fear in the dissenters by threatening them and
    even use indefinite detention,  to stop the wave of protest that might
    turn revolutionary.  THAT is what is essentially taking place with these
    freedom killing bills,  they did not just happen by accident unless you
    have a stochastic bent,  but they are planned.  Proving that this
    current system needs to be totally dismantled by the people.”

    http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-12_cy-2011_m-12_d-16_y-2011_o-0.html

    So the issues we are discussing go much deeper than just making a living,  what is legal and what is not,  and if they can they will try to set one group of people on another group,  just to employ a divide and conquer methodology. The control is so immense that there are even music groups which have struck out against their own industries

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQCR21ZNv24&feature=player_embedded

    They can easily shelve this SOPA for now because they have multiple methodologies to do similar activity,  and I noticed on an above post at Disinfo that someone has picked up on it,  employing the tactics of cyber war where I will do another post.  They just abdicate the cover of using and industry with seeming legitimate complaints,  but they will by no means stop the process of oppression.

  • anarcho

    Let me share something here,  I only mention this not because no one knows this,  but that it was not mentioned.  Some of the posts here seem to not understand the nature of the beast that we are dealing with – corporations and the US government (merely a franchise of the elite) partner with one another.  There is a symbiotic relationship between what they moneyed elite want in the USA and the corporate media,  all one has to do as an example,  is look at all of the companies that want to sell technology to the government (their wet dream) which further invades what thread bare privacy the public is left with.

    When you are talking about something like SOPA you have to understand that elite interests will use whatever “legitimate” industries they can to control the population.  This is what media in the corporate sense really is,  whether it is informational (news) or entertainment (which is supposed to tell you what “normal” is supposed to be) – they work hand and glove.  Another example,  if you want to just look at the entertainment aspect,  is how often Hollywood works with the military industrial complex – to make war attractive,  or to spin that we are always the “good guys” in whatever conflict.  Informational media is just a mixture of silence in what the powers that be do not want spotlighted or just bold faced lies (both on foreign and domestic issues). 

    Here is an excerpt from a recent post I made on my blog (I will provide the link) –

    “They have noted
    the great uprisings that have occurred globally,  and specifically in
    the be
    lly of the beast,  the USA.  So they have allowed these two issues
    to drive their agenda of coercive force – the gathering together of the
    people into an opposing force,  and one of the chief instruments used
    to disseminate information and solidify some form of global solidarity, 
    the internet.  Marry to it the primal concern for the loss of an
    industry which cannot keep up with the times (corporate media,  both
    informational and popular),  the ones who censor through lies and the
    absence of information thereof (news) and who try to tell you how to
    live (pushing popular fantasies), to try to regain the control of the
    population – make what is familiar, subservient and loyal the only
    media.  Sow the seeds of fear in the dissenters by threatening them and
    even use indefinite detention,  to stop the wave of protest that might
    turn revolutionary.  THAT is what is essentially taking place with these
    freedom killing bills,  they did not just happen by accident unless you
    have a stochastic bent,  but they are planned.  Proving that this
    current system needs to be totally dismantled by the people.”

    http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-12_cy-2011_m-12_d-16_y-2011_o-0.html

    So the issues we are discussing go much deeper than just making a living,  what is legal and what is not,  and if they can they will try to set one group of people on another group,  just to employ a divide and conquer methodology. The control is so immense that there are even music groups which have struck out against their own industries

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQCR21ZNv24&feature=player_embedded

    They can easily shelve this SOPA for now because they have multiple methodologies to do similar activity,  and I noticed on an above post at Disinfo that someone has picked up on it,  employing the tactics of cyber war where I will do another post.  They just abdicate the cover of using and industry with seeming legitimate complaints,  but they will by no means stop the process of oppression. The issues just run deeper than the posted concerns.

  • http://twitter.com/anarcho anarcho

    Let me share something here,  I only mention this not because no one knows this,  but that it was not mentioned.  Some of the posts here seem to not understand the nature of the beast that we are dealing with – corporations and the US government (merely a franchise of the elite) partner with one another.  There is a symbiotic relationship between what they moneyed elite want in the USA and the corporate media,  all one has to do as an example,  is look at all of the companies that want to sell technology to the government (their wet dream) which further invades what thread bare privacy the public is left with.

    When you are talking about something like SOPA you have to understand that elite interests will use whatever “legitimate” industries they can to control the population.  This is what media in the corporate sense really is,  whether it is informational (news) or entertainment (which is supposed to tell you what “normal” is supposed to be) – they work hand and glove.  Another example,  if you want to just look at the entertainment aspect,  is how often Hollywood works with the military industrial complex – to make war attractive,  or to spin that we are always the “good guys” in whatever conflict.  Informational media is just a mixture of silence in what the powers that be do not want spotlighted or just bold faced lies (both on foreign and domestic issues). 

    Here is an excerpt from a recent post I made on my blog (I will provide the link) –

    “They have noted
    the great uprisings that have occurred globally,  and specifically in
    the be
    lly of the beast,  the USA.  So they have allowed these two issues
    to drive their agenda of coercive force – the gathering together of the
    people into an opposing force,  and one of the chief instruments used
    to disseminate information and solidify some form of global solidarity, 
    the internet.  Marry to it the primal concern for the loss of an
    industry which cannot keep up with the times (corporate media,  both
    informational and popular),  the ones who censor through lies and the
    absence of information thereof (news) and who try to tell you how to
    live (pushing popular fantasies), to try to regain the control of the
    population – make what is familiar, subservient and loyal the only
    media.  Sow the seeds of fear in the dissenters by threatening them and
    even use indefinite detention,  to stop the wave of protest that might
    turn revolutionary.  THAT is what is essentially taking place with these
    freedom killing bills,  they did not just happen by accident unless you
    have a stochastic bent,  but they are planned.  Proving that this
    current system needs to be totally dismantled by the people.”

    http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-12_cy-2011_m-12_d-16_y-2011_o-0.html

    So the issues we are discussing go much deeper than just making a living,  what is legal and what is not,  and if they can they will try to set one group of people on another group,  just to employ a divide and conquer methodology. The control is so immense that there are even music groups which have struck out against their own industries

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQCR21ZNv24&feature=player_embedded

    They can easily shelve this SOPA for now because they have multiple methodologies to do similar activity,  and I noticed on an above post at Disinfo that someone has picked up on it,  employing the tactics of cyber war where I will do another post.  They just abdicate the cover of using and industry with seeming legitimate complaints,  but they will by no means stop the process of oppression. The issues just run deeper than the posted concerns.

  • marvin nubwaxer

    shelved for now maybe but it’ll be back

  • Anomaly_of_Anomie

    Anything people want is worth something. But what happens when no one wants to pay for what they want? It loses value… and so the quality of art has been steadily depreciating. Corporations won’t pay, now not even the fans… they want it all for nothing. You know, I bet monetary incentive would actually help artists live a little better and encourage them to work harder to entertain you. Imagine that, people actually being appreciated for what they do.

    • The Jammer

      ABSOLUTELY!!! Thank you for saying it!Was Mozart baking cakes all
      day and writing masterpieces on his breaks? Was Hunter S. Thompson
      flipping burgers for 10 hours and writing just before bed? Was Marvin
      Gaye selling used cars 9-5? Oh no, they were busy dedicating
      their LIVES to what they were creating… and they were able to do that
      because they made money doing it.

  • Nuggett

    Though I agree with your sentiments, I think a better approach to creative endeavors is accepting that the system is fucked up, join it, try your best to fight/fix it, and keep creating art as a hobby/second business.  I am a musician and this is exactly what I’m doing.  I cut my hair, worked on my fake smile, am in school earning an MBA with a concentration in information systems.  It sucks.  It’s hard.  People are shitty.  But I’m making money and I have bought myself time enough to work on music in the meantime.  The key is to not sit around and be angry.  Don’t depend on politicians to fix shit for you.  They’re not artists.  

  • Aurelia_Imako

    Oh I agree Piricy is a huge problem. The reason though that I don’t support SOPA isn’t because I think that I should be able to download anything at anytime, its because if the methodolgy that they will be permitted to use. It gives the big corps….and only the big corps, the ablity to shut down anysite for the slightist reason.

    So a vidio of someone dancing at a wedding with a copywrited song playing in the background…shut it down.

    Stream a movie from a licened site (netflix, and of the network sites) loose your internet access cause bandwidth show useage and not content.

    When they come out with the technology that will allow
    a) Anyone to demand that thier work be protected and block a site
    b) Protect artists from being shut down cause they are compitition to the big corps
    c) Are willing to make pirites stand trial in a court of law and prove the theif

    Then I will give SOPA the thumbs up.

    Its like the extra bit I pay when I buy blank disks to store my art on to offset the cost of piriacy. And Imma not even a musician.

  • http://twitter.com/anarcho anarcho

    The answer is Jackanory,  that this is not the “world” that chooses to live like this,  it is a global engorged elite. But don’t worry,  you do not have worry about the world stopping the system,  a certain cadre will stop the system – there is a vanguard which will have the backing of the people (in fact there is already a large consensus).  There will be no frolicking in the golden meadows for the small contingency responsible for the global condition,  they will receive their reward in the afterlife (like the bullshit they hawk to the needy and the poor).  In the meantime –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1T8xgHdMEM

  • http://twitter.com/anarcho anarcho

    If you read down a little,  your answer is somewhat given by Anarchy Pony – unfortunately some people just cannot extricate their thought processes from the current paradigm.  The problem is that art should belong to everyone (whatever form) and the people should support what can rise to the top – but what you have is art for profit not for appeal.  The problem is the same whether you are looking at the kingdoms of old,  or present day capitalism – it is made to enrich the few,  it is elite.  Years ago it was the gentry that supported what they wanted for art form,  and now it is the same gentry in a corporate suit.  It is not the people who oppress the artist,  it is the system and the few who benefit from it.

    There should be an equalizing platform from the people as a whole,  and thereby there would be enough support for artists of whatever genre. However,  what you have is a few artists who are displayed solely for the profit it not only gives the artist,  but the few who live off of the output of the artist.  When this is the case you cannot have,  and will not have a variety which reflects the whole sensibilities of the people,  you will have a few that are pimped for those with bankrolls which are merely the process of the capitalistic system of accumulation 

    So the answer is not a simple reform,  it is not a minor adjustment,  but it is a total systemic sweep which will dismantle the current system and replace it with a true egalitarianism.  This way equal opportunity is truly functional,  not a phrase used by the few which is a mere line of bullshit.  It will decimate monopolies,  rout out inequality,  ostensibly sweep the deck by the peoples ownership of production (whatever the form).  This can be done without the previous problems of centralism which causes it to become oppressive. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-qtkZWkfP8

    Your concept of property, private property has to fade. It was drilled into you with “religious” fervor, but it is merely a way to maintain an oppressive system. The “thou shalt not steal” is predicated upon those who possess, it is nonsense. It was hammered into a system which gives you what you have today, a 1% vs. a 99% – recognize it for what it truly is.

  • Restrictedanon

    im okay with sopa and it really just go too show how much of an internet addiction people have when you cry for this to stop lol

  • Sleeko1

    Am’I the only one that noticed the total lack of mainstream media coverage of the SOPA protests? This couldn’t be because, the very same interests pushing this crap, also control the media?

  • John smith

    As for me, I and my favourite Rapidshare search are against this law, SOPA must be revoked! Government is doing so strange steps, what are that people want??? I don’t understand at all!!!! Do they not have enough money? Or what??? explain me!

  • sonicbphuct

    ever since i got a printer, i quit buying paintings, and never went to galleries anymore. Now my apartment is filled with the finest contemporary artists ever on the internet. More than that, since I acquired access to email, I’ve copy and pasted poems and mailed them to people I wanted to woo, impress, depress or generally impact. I am a pirate.

    I can not say I’m sorry, because, The Jammer, if you only produced expressions of desire for money, then I can’t really get behind supporting you shutting down domains, nor having you involved in the decision process … how can I be certain that you wouldn’t mistake my inability to pay for a Dali and the desire to have his image on my wall as simple “theft”? Or, a critique or diary entry in the form of a blog all referencing the Dali painting, or a song of yours, as piracy and shut down my expression. More than that, I question the concept of copyright in general on philosophical grounds. But you just want your hobby to pay for itself – I understand. Though, I don’t understand how a “Pirate” causes a boycott … isn’t piracy theft and boycott the refusal to do business with a particular establishment (brand, store, etc)?

  • Juror

    “I
    write for a living, and I have no other source of income, and I naively
    believe that stuff that I create belongs to me, and that if you want it
    you might have to give me some cash. My view is I do this for a living.
    The thing wouldn’t exist if I didn’t make it and so it belongs to me
    and don’t steal it. You know. It’s my stuff.” – Salman Rushdie.