Ron Paul Vows To Continue Run For President

By on February 5, 2012 in News 34

Michael Finnegan covers Representative Paul’s reaction to losing in Nevada for the LA Times:

A day after losing a Nevada contest that exposed the limits of his appeal to Republicans, Ron Paul vowed to keep pressing ahead for the party’s presidential nomination, saying his ideas were inspiring an intellectual revolution among young Americans.

“I want to change the government, and I want to change it through the electoral process, but I also want to change the hearts and minds of people,” the Texas congressman told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week.” “That is where it really starts, and that is where we’re making the progress.”…

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  • http://twitter.com/DanielReasor Daniel Reasor

    I wonder if Paul appreciates the irony of Libertarianism getting rejected in the marketplace of ideas.

    • YaBooSucksToYouFascists

      True, Americans have rejected it in favor of fascism.  Right fascism or left fascism?  The difference is worth fighting over!

    • madlib

      We don’t have a free market where ideas are concerned since the MSM has a choke hold on which ideas the masses are exposed to…. that being said, the internet is more or less the definition of anarcho-capitalism itself, so perhaps this is why the vast majority of his supporters consist of the up-and-coming e-generation types who are mostly in their teens and twenties. At any rate, his supporters are the future of politics, regardless of whether they are popular today. Most highly profitable trends start out as underground scenes or movements.. and I think that most ideas or commodities with staying market power *must* start out this way.

  • http://twitter.com/MiGaOh Michael G. O’Hair

    Rape. It’s what’s for dinner.

  • Mr Willow

    Hey, you know what? 

    I respect him for it. I admire that he has the tenacity and fortitude to continue to fight what he knows to be a losing battle (becoming president), and I admire that he actually has convictions and beliefs—despite most (not all, but most) being, in my opinion, despicable. He isn’t just another talking head manufactured by the GOP, willing to stand by whatever surveys and study groups indicate popular opinion seems to be at any given moment. His opinion is his own.

    Yet, his positions concerning wars and surveillance of the public make his chances of being elected the Republican nomination infinitesimal, which makes me think his involvement in the race is simply a ruse, an opportunity to get his free-market, ‘individual liberties’, pro-business, anti-government sentiment out there (which is never in short supply within the GOP anyway). If he actually wanted to be elected, he would run as a Libertarian *cough*, or an Independent. 

    Regardless, his consistency and conviction—if nothing else—is appreciated.

    • Redacted

      He’s a real Terrier. I mean no insult by the comparison either, the Pit Bull is a Terrier.

    • dalius

      we have all been watching politics for years.at first,because we were taught to believe in the system….now,because we need to see something that makes us feel better about ourselves.
      you gotta ask yourself,  ”when has a politician been so solid?”   in my lifetime,i have never seen a man like this run for president.
      i am a huge supporter.

    • Tuna Ghost

      yeah, I have a real love-hate thing going on with Ron Paul — I love his stance on Iran and the War On Drugs and his commitment to his ideals, but I hate his casual racism and the loonier side of his campaign.  You’re right that he’s not just another talking head, that he’s not just another goon for the super rich.  I just wish he wasn’t racist and occasionally crazy.

      • CommonSense

        How is he a “casual” racist? This is such a tired argument and there is simply no proof to back it up. The only thing that I have seen which makes him “crazy” is the whole “returning to the gold standard” thing…fun to think about, perhaps, but would probably end up backfiring on an epic scale. But I agree with him that the Fed absolutely must be audited as soon as humanly possible and made transparent for all the world to see…that suggestion is perfectly sound of mind and he is the ONLY candidate talking about it (as well as a host of other sensible and sane issues…) 

        • Scub Chudmo

          He sure loves his secret meetings with the leaders of neo-nazi organizations.

          • Andrew

             Evidence?

          • Pb

             Post proof of this.  And a link to some douchey internat chatroom doesn’t count.

        • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

          Thanks for speaking up.  Disregard Tuna and the Pentagon army of fake screen names here to poo poo the man willing to rip this parasite off the body politic.  Paul is no racist.

          • Tuna Ghost

            Jesus, you can’t even keep the conspiracy to discredit your guys straight anymore, can you?  Am I a shill working for the government, or am I just another sock-puppet?  How’s it feel to be so conspired against?  

            No, but seriously, what on earth makes you think you, let alone Disinfo, is even on the Pentagon’s radar?  Do you really think you or this site is that important?  Because that is just…sad, really.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Oh I dunno probably stories like this. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/07/pentagon-seeks-to-manipulate-social-media-for-propaganda-purposes.html  

            Sound familiar?  
            Oh, disinfo is the largest distributor of hidden history, secret society, occult, and conspiracy writing and media is it not?   Yeah I’m sure the government has no interest in making sure certain ideas don’t get out of hand with this community, no interest at all, especially since the most obvious status q troll here says so.  Oh what are the demographics here again? Mostly males 18-34, yeah I’m sure the government is ok with them knowing about the Fed, 9/11, GMO, Chemtrails etc etc.  No interest at all I’m sure.

          • Tuna Ghost

            I am totally not surprised that you read that and pictured a government drone being paid to trawl through a site like Disinfo and look for ways to make fun of you.  It seems a perfect summation of how you view the world.  

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            I’m totally not surprised that you use appeal to ridicule as a red herring!  Seems you are incapable of answering basic questions or admitting when evidence points in another direction than your assumptions.  So do you or do you not believe that the pentagon uses people with multiple screen names and fake IPS’s to troll for them in their neo propaganda models?  Here ya go, read it again, for the first time “Oh I dunno probably stories like this. http://www.washingtonsblog.com…  Sound familiar?  Oh, disinfo is the largest distributor of hidden history, secret society, occult, and conspiracy writing and media is it not?   Yeah I’m sure the government has no interest in making sure certain ideas don’t get out of hand with this community, no interest at all, especially since the most obvious status q troll here says so.  Oh what are the demographics here again? Mostly males 18-34, yeah I’m sure the government is ok with them knowing about the Fed, 9/11, GMO, Chemtrails etc etc.  No interest at all I’m sure.”

          • Tuna Ghost

            I’m sure the government has no interest in making sure certain ideas don’t get out of hand with this community, no interest at all,

            Get out of hand?  What does that even mean, in terms of process?  

            especially since the most obvious status q troll here says so.

            Yeah, you say that about everyone who disagrees with you, so I’m not sure why you expect that to carry any rhetorical weight.

            Oh what are the demographics here again? Mostly males 18-34, yeah I’m sure the government is ok with them knowing about the Fed, 9/11, GMO, Chemtrails etc etc.  No interest at all I’m sure.

            If you’re an example of what someone with this knowledge that is so dangerous to the “status q”, then, no, no one would ever be worried.  

            The status q has a role for you, friend.  You fit right into society like everyone else.  You’re not special, you’re not in possession of some outsider knowledge that makes you dangerous.   It’s a fun game to play i’m sure, but please don’t ask adults to indulge you.   It is the height of arrogance to assume that the government gives two shits about you or Disinfo.  The article linked to mentions social media, of which Disinfo is an almost infitesimally small part.  Everyone knows intelligence communities have been using social media to keep track of trends.  They’re using twitter, facebook, and all that jazz.  What danger could the state possibly see coming from you?  From Disinfo?  In terms of process, not this “dangerous ideas, maaaaaaaaan” bullshit that doesn’t mean anything.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Let’s see, anything that challenges 9/11, The FED, or Ron Paul seems to draw a siege of bs comments, I must be crazy to imagine any of them are not actually just random trolls fighting for their consensus reality filters.
            I don’t really detect a point, are you trying to make one here? Your saying that disinfo is too unimportant to be worthy of such attention.  That’s fine, you have no means of proving this, I am simply offering my opinion based on experience.  You love to attempt to contradict me but must resort to ignoring evidence to do so and you somehow think people don’t notice.  

            “Everyone knows intelligence communities have been using social media to keep track of trends” – You said it yourself, so is it really a stretch to imagine they would try to influence them with misleading posts, invective commentary designed to prevent logical thinking, wouldn’t that essentially be the same tactics we are subjected to (well if you watch tv that is) by mainstream media when they want to discredit ideas.
            “There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come”  Remember that one?  Seems like you need to believe that there are no shills here for some reason?  Why is that?  On one hand you admit they are watching, but it’s too out of hand for your to believe they are participating??  Hahahaha!

          • Tuna Ghost

            Let’s see, anything that challenges 9/11, The FED, or Ron Paul seems to draw a siege of bs comments, I must be crazy to imagine any of them are not actually just random trolls fighting for their consensus reality filters.

            “Crazy” may be too strong a word; I’d go with “indulging too much in my fantasy”.  I do like the phrase “trolls fighting for their consensus reality filters”, though, and I plan to steal it and pass it off as my own at the next opportunity (many people would take this as a compliment.  You’re welcome).  

            I wasn’t aware the FED draws as much posts of this nature as Ron Paul or god forbid 9/11.  I can’t imagine what the content of those posts would be; at the very least, the FED and the way it operates is bizarre, I don’t see how anyone can claim otherwise.  

            I don’t really detect a point, are you trying to make one here?

            Yes.  Broadly, in that your understanding of how intelligence communities operate in regard to monitoring social media sites is, at the very least, full of misunderstandings and assumptions, and specifically, in that I am neither a “sock puppet” nor receiving any kind of payment from the government for pointing out your mistakes.  Wish I was, though, it sounds like a sweet gig.  

             Your saying that disinfo is too unimportant to be worthy of such attention.

            I wouldn’t use “unimportant” because its a bit vague in this context (also because Disinfo is, at the least, important to me, and probably to you too).  I think “harmless” is more apt.  Disinfo simply doesn’t get the kind of traffic that would put it on the Pentagon’s radar, nor does it offer any information or knowledge or ideas that are truly revolutionary or dangerous or even close to unique.  The content of Disinfo can be found all over the place.  

            That’s fine, you have no means of proving this, I am simply offering my opinion based on experience.

            You’re correct that I can’t prove it.  Luckily, the burden of proof is on you in this case.  And what “experience” are you basing this opinion on, anyway?  Your experience of…working in the intelligence community?  Your experience of discovering paid shills on counter-culture sites?  

            You love to attempt to contradict me but must resort to ignoring evidence to do so and you somehow think people don’t notice.

            a.)  I’m pretty sure I just used that same line in a response to you very recently.  Whatever, I’m totally stealing that “trolls fighting for their consensus reality filters”, so I guess that makes us square.  But lets not resort to you simply repeating my criticisms back to me and calling it an “argument”.  

            b.)   The criticism you receive from posters besides myself indicates the opposite of what you just said (which, as previously noted, is something I just said a couple posts previous to this one).  You don’t offer evidence, chum, that’s just another word whose meaning you have yet to really nail down (see also “argument” and “fallacy”.  You really ought to take a formal logic class, I promise it will make you better at this sort of thing).  You offer opinions and assumptions and “facts” that are anything but.  You continue to use the phrase “1800 architects and engineers”, or whatever the number is, when it has been pointed out to you on several occasions that the true number is far, far less than that.  This is just one example among many of you ignoring facts that don’t support your hypothesis.  Hypotheses?  What’s the plural there?  I can’t remember.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Sorry, no room to type here.  How would you know what amount of traffic would make any site ping on the pentagons radar or not?  I never said conclusively it does or does not, I just said it wouldn’t surprise me.  You constantly invoke that I need to take a “formal logic class” while you yourself have just vomited up what amounts to a strawman laden with ad hominem attacks purporting to be logical.  It’s easy to fight strawmen and put words into others mouths. It’s an easy way for you to masturbate here at everyone else’s unamused expense also.   Tuna.  I don’t really care what you think. You refuse to accept even after all of this time that building 7 didn’t come down the way NIST tells you it did.  Also your argument regarding the amount of Engineers amounts to nothing more than semantical hair splitting to attempt to save face from the ludicrous nature of your “reasoning”. I’ve addressed that “challenge” in previous posts and apparently you choose not to regard information that doesn’t jive with your preconceived notions. (wait for it , he is about to accuse me of the same thing and round and round we go) I would take your own recommended classes in formal logic and meditate on the words,”Hypocrite” and “Contradiction” and see if they help you rectify your thinking.

          • madlib

            lol…. when you think about it, most bureaucrats probably have way too much free time on their hands with their paper pushing office jobs, so it makes perfect sense that they’d spend their time online trolling the guy who’d phase out their job. 

        • Tuna Ghost

          How is he a “casual” racist? This is such a tired argument and there is simply no proof to back it up. 

          Yeah, I hear that a lot.  And then I point out, once again, the Salon interview in which he said a lot of TSA workers can’t speak English and don’t look American.  Most people usually don’t reply after that.  Or, if they’re like Cameron, they completely ignore it and pretend it never happened.

        • madlib

          We thrived economically up until the 1970s when Reagan took us off the gold standard for the first time…. so how is going back to the gold standard a crazy idea when we’d been on it the first 200 years of our existence, and it’s absence is a relatively new phenomena? 

      • madlib

        If he’s a racist, then why aren’t the close-minded backwoods Bible-thumpers in the South rallying behind him as if he were the second coming of the messiah? Why are his supporters always under 30 types who grew up and are fully immersed in the digital age? Whenever I ask specifically “how” Paul is crazy, the response is always just a regurgitation of MSM pseudofacts, or their friends’ or favorite magazine’s opinions, rather than their own analysis. So… how is he crazy? In your own words.

  • Redacted

    He’s dead on about his ideas causing an intellectual revolution among young people. Even as an avowed Socialist and Statist I respect the man.

  • lazarus

    why does this “expose the limits of his appeal to republicans” or anyone else,for that matter? Ron Paul is winning delegates and his support is GROWING constantly.

  • Hadrian999

    I’m curious how far he will go, will he continue on as a spoiler when he fails to get the nom

  • Tuna Ghost

    I whole-heartedly approve of his running on another party ticket, be Libertarian or Whig or Federalist or whatever.  Enough republicans like him that it could easily cause a significant split in the republican vote come november.

  • zedted

    I know the support for Ron Paul is greater than we are seeing.  Who owns and runs the computers that count the vote?  Find the answer to that and you will be disenchanted with the system as it is.

    Another thing: obama already has the Democratic nomination, would the democrats intentionally try to get an opponent they felt obama could beat?   The register as republican and vote to screw things up in the republican party.  Nothing illegal about it, the fact that obama already has the nod lets them do stuff like this.

    None of this stuff matters because until we have people that just want to watch the world burn we are going to be watching this corruption continue.

    We are already under gestapo like scrutiny and I can not voice my opinion any further without home land security bangin on my door.    All I can say is that if these guys screwing the USA over never pay a price or see their fellow civil servants pay a price, things will continue just the way they are going but at an accelerated pace.

  • zedted

    To further elaborate on my opinion about he voting computers being rigged.  Talk to people on your daily walk through life and see who they say they are going to vote for, or like.  It may be the places I go are stacked with Ron Paul supporters but I don’t believe that to be true.  Many many people don’t have a job right now and have plenty of time on their hands to research this stuff, myself included. And that makes for a more educated public, people that want jobs, not more invasive technology in their lives.  Not empty promises and more anti gun laws but that is exactly what we are seeing. the public is seeing how rigged this whole game is.

    The USA is at a boil, this stuff is going to push people over the top and they will not react rationally, Or maybe they will, it just won’t be through dialog.   The unemployment extension is running out and the heat is getting turned up on this deal.    Nothing left to lose.   What I find truly amazing is there has not been an uprising and no lone wolf.

    You know in your gut something isn’t right, you feel it in the people around you.  That’s because shit ain’t right, trust your gut.

    Ron Paul knows what’s up.

  • Butter Knife

    He’s a clear lock to be the A3P candidate…

  • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

    Yeah guys, didn’t ya know, just like Iowa they have, whoops, fucked up the vote count again and whoops the only time it is broadcast, whoops, Ron Paul wins in a Landslide.  Just a little FYI, I know everyone is eating up the propaganda who wants Paul to lose here and obviously cares more about the Bread and Circus than the Wars, NDAA, The Fed, but yeah if you want to know the evidence is again very clear, these caucuses are debauched by fraud again.  http://www.dailypaul.com/211363/paul-camp-cries-fraud-over-nevada-caucus-results