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    Even Wikipedia asserts that the CIA was involved in Che Guevara’s death.

    “Shoot, coward. You’re only killing a man.”

  • Anarchy Pony

    Well they killed every body else vaguely leftist didn’t they? I’d bet they didn’t do it directly, but they gave it the go ahead.

  • Hadrian999

    the thing about che was the west as well as many communists wanted him dead, his days were numbered no matter who pulled the trigger

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/45NZR7HDBPMAS3K52SH44SRC5Y Derek

      Not sure what you mean? The only people who wanted him dead were the United States. Castro/Guevara were best friends with Russia, China etc… they helped them win the revolution in Cuba.

      United States bought and sold every single dictatorship in south america, ran most of the mines and factories and used to own most of the land, until che and his followers came along. The US would stand to lose a TON if che continued his revolution; reason why they killed him.

      • Hadrian999

        he was a true believer, nobody likes true believers, he was very useful during the revolution and his book on guerrilla warfare is insightful but after the revolution he started pissing in everyone’s pool, he started criticizing international communist leadership which pissed off Cuban leaders because they had to deal with the people che was pissing off. he wouldn’t play nice with the allies of Cuba and it cost him. often people who are good at war are terrible at peace, che was one of them

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/45NZR7HDBPMAS3K52SH44SRC5Y Derek

          @Hadrian, I couldnt agree with you more, and im glad there are actually intelligent people here instead of the blatant “go to hell che” folks who clearly know nothing about che and his principles/history.

          Although i slightly disagree with your ”
          often people who are good at war are terrible at peace, che was one of them ”

          Che definitely was terrible at “political peace” but when it came to actually helping citizens, sick folks, folks in need, etc… he was a legend. His entire beginning story is absolutely amazing; and its just unfortunate he was polluted towards the end.

          All in all im glad che existed, there defiantly is a true inspiration you can get from him and his lifestyle; minus the political aspect of course.

      • Jin The Ninja

        your second paragraph – totally agree. the monroe doctrine really solidified american desire for empire which was focused on revolutionary activity in latin america for a long time.

        what hadrian is referring to (i believe) is that the soviets and castro both had begun to actively hate/fear che, because he was pressing for a more revolutionary society that would not entrench the military regimes that overthrew the ruling oligrarchies in the first place. the soviets were very paranoid about working class uprisings, and castro became more of a dictator than a leader in his later years. anyone in power always fear those that would seize power whether populist or democratic.

        which is why many leftists have abandoned the position of doctrinal communism, and embraced an inherently democratic worldview- one that is even alluded to in marx- but never realised in communist revolutions- as those that seized power generally disregarded their revolutionary aims unless spouting populist rhetoric.

  • Little Buddy

    Fidel is just as guilty as the CIA.   He needed a martyr for the cause and he got rid of the competition for power all in one Bolivian fell swoop.

  • zedted

    Fuck Che, fuck that coward. He is the butcher of la cabana. He was a bastard unlike any other, he was not a good man.  He was a monster, a monster that had been given power. He took power, he fucked the people hard and was not a good man. ask any Cuban and they will get pissed off about the subject.

    Fuck Che, spit, fuck you you piece of shit.   Anyone worth their salt will never let their child wear a fucking che t shirt.

    spit. fuck you.
     

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/45NZR7HDBPMAS3K52SH44SRC5Y Derek

      umm what? Most of my friends are Cuban, i have visited Cuba, they LOVE che Guevara. Reason why when you walk down the streets in Cuba you see shrines/Memorials devoted to the man.

      He was a true hero, sure he fell to some hard times, did some pretty terrible things, but who he was battling did 10 times worse things and that’s why Castro and Guevara killed them.

      South America would be a complete shitfest if it wasn’t for Che inspiring the true people; trust me i have been to Argentina, Bolivia, Venezuela, etc…

      I truly think you need to do more research on Che and actually talk to real south americans not just western speculation.

      • zedted

         We are entitled to our opinion even if it is wrong.  My old room mate and still good friend is of Cuban decent, his wife is Cuban, both parents Cuban.  My friends kid was wearing a che t shirt and showed up at the grand parents house, they made him go change his shirt of grandpa would of been really pissed about it.

        Everything I’ve read about che does not paint him in a good light.  Castro?  From what I know about Cuba, Cubans love their country but do not like Castro or the way things are run. Castro is a butcher as well as a thief.  Stealing private farms from the farmers that don’t do as they are told. Kicking them off their property.

        Yes, we see things differently and I am willing to listen to what you have to say.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/45NZR7HDBPMAS3K52SH44SRC5Y Derek

          Sure you are entitled to your own opinion but wouldn’t you rather have a better informed one? 

          Che was an incredible person, i don’t know who or where told you that he was bad? Let me give you his official back story: 

          Che was born in Argentina, to some extremely wealthy business parents; growing up he always hated money in which case he never accepted any from his parents, he went to medical school and was 1 month away from graduating with full honors in the doctorate field when he decided to take a motorcycle trip with his best friend around the continent. During this trip, Che truly changed, he fell on some terribly bad times… running out of money, motorcycle always breaking down in the middle of nowhere, etc.. etc..; so he did what Che was best at… talking to people, which led him into living with the locals. He saw how poor conditions society of south america had become, how so many were forced into “slavery” aka debt… nearly everyone was extremely sick and couldn’t pay for doctors… so what did che do…. He spent his entire vacation (which ended up being 8 years) helping literally everyone he came across, he rendered his doctorate skills into helping many many villages, thousands and thousands of people and especially leprosy colony’s (which no-one else would dare to enter) He was truly a kind hearted, inspirational being… until he finally realized what was the cause of all the downtrodden in south america… The United States; how they bought and paid for every government and put in place horrible horrible dictators… and so he became angry and started his “revolution” against them… eventually leading him to meeting Castro in mexico… and the 2 of them thwarted a plan to start their revolution in Cuba. Eventually they killed Batista (Cuba dictator at the time, also put in place by the United States) and Castro took over, Che was initially suppose to be the leader but he hated politics, he hated anyone who told people what to do so he gave up the spot for Castro…. Castro then became overwhelmed with power and started ruining the economy of cuba, just like the dictator that he replaced… Che hated this and eventually started saying “fuck you” to Castro and all the ally’s he became friends with (Russia, China) Eventually everyone turned against him and so he took his revolution to Bolivia.. in which case was caught by the Bolivian military(sponsored by the CIA) and shot in cold blood point blank.

          Che for the most part was a true soul, but he let his hatred overwhelm him and so became a martyr (but the people he killed were the people destroying cuba in the first place) (Batista and his military regime)

          How about lets look at the US? We are are illegally allowed to go over to the middle east, destroy their countries, destroy their economy, wipe out their oil, destroy their homes, kill thousands of inocents just to get one “terrorist”… and yet they call Che Guevara an evil person….

          Che was defiantly misunderstood for the most part, he started a true revolution, and one which changed south america for the better.

          I have visited Ches family in Argentina, i have gone to his parents graves, studied his life; for it is quite a good one.

  • Irving Greenfield

    It is said that one should speak good of the dead. Che Guevara is dead……………….Good.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/45NZR7HDBPMAS3K52SH44SRC5Y Derek

    Wish we had a modern Che today, this Washington government in the US is truly terrifying and needs to be put to a stop.

    • Hadrian999

      according to his own doctrine che wouldn’t be able to do much in america. as long as a democratic voting system exists even if it is a total farce, popular revolution won’t take root in a meaningful way, much groundwork has to be done before a majority would be receptive.

    • zedted

       I can agree with half of what you’re saying, the later half. Unfortunately it is not the govt, it is world power/world money that is dictating things. Most of the politicians are bought and paid for by big corporations and geared to hold down small business, hold them down before they become the next Bill Gates.   I don’t believe Gates is in on any of it, just his own monopoly is important to him.
      Americans need to lead themselves out of the trap they have been caught in.  Nothing will happen until people are truly free, ie. nothing left to lose.

  • Undulu

    “To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These
    procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution. And a
    revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure
    hate.” – Che Guevara

    “Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red
    by slaughtering any enemy that falls into my hands. My nostrils dilate
    while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood.” – Che Guevara
    “Hatred as the central element of our struggle! Hatred that is
    intransigent. Hatred so violent that it propels a human being beyond
    his natural limitations, making him a violent and cold-blooded killing
    machine. We reject any peaceful approach. Violence is inevitable. To
    establish Socialism rivers of blood must flow.” – Che Guevara

    Guevara was a psychopath who slaughtered innocent, defenseless women and children. And when he died, it was as a coward, pleading for his life.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/45NZR7HDBPMAS3K52SH44SRC5Y Derek

      war turns any man into a psychopath…. reason why che fought against it for the longest time…

      Why dont you look at the U.S.A? We are are illegally allowed to go over to the middle east, destroy their countries, destroy their economy, wipe out their oil, destroy their homes, kill thousands and thousands of innocents just to get one “terrorist”… and yet they call Che Guevara an evil person….

      The only people che killed was the evil and corrupt Batista and his military regime that were destroying Cuba to begin with.

      Che was sadly misunderstood, and no he DID NOT plead for his life…. you are completely misinformed…… His final words were…. “I know you have come to kill me, Shoot… you are only going to kill a man” He was a true badass….

      • Undulu

        No. Psychopaths are attracted to war.

        I’m not making excuses for the U.S.A. Its government and military are polluted with the same sort of psychopaths and perpetrators of inexcusable atrocities. My point is that it is sickening and foolish to idolize a man who was nothing more than a bloodletting mass murderer.

        Do you really think he only killed the “evil and corrupt” Batista? Your history is misinformed. He killed anyone and everyone that he felt was unsympathetic to his beliefs or deemed loyal to the “bourgeois”. He commanded the deaths of thousands of innocent men, women, and CHILDREN by firing squad. He personally ordered the deaths of children in front of their mothers, for kicks. He was against all rights and freedoms, including freedom of speech, religion, and protest. And he killed those who exercised those rights. He jailed homosexuals, musicians, and political dissenters. It was the same sort of cultural cleansing that occurs during the genesis of all Socialist/Communist states.

        French Revolution: Over 40 thousand dead.

        Russia under Stalin: Over 20 million dead.

        Germany under Hitler: Over 13 million dead.

        North Korea under Kim Il Sung: Over 200 thousand dead.

        Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge: Over 4 million dead.

        China under Mao: Over 40 million dead.

        Cuba under Castro and Guevara: Over 85 thousand dead, and that’s just the civilians.

        “I have no house, wife, children, parents,
        or brothers; my friends are friends as long as they think like me, politically.” – Che Guevara

        The last words you cited were only spoken once he faced the executioner. Before he was captured, he shouted, “Do not shoot! I am Che Guevara and worth more to you alive than dead!”

        Yes, he was a true badass. As badass as genocide.

    • Hadrian999

       he understood what it would take to turn peasants into soldiers, the cuban revolution was started and operated with very few resources. you are cherry picking your quotes, the doctrine he laid out was very different, he didn’t live up to it but he was far from a psychopath, go to any nations military training centers and you will see very similar sentiments being preached instructors for combat troops

      • Undulu

        Hahahahaha

        • Hadrian999

          you can continue to believe childish notions of good and evil and spouting the lines you have been fed, doesn’t matter in the end

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