Black Panthers Place Bounty On Trayvon’s Killer

By on March 26, 2012 in News 104
George Zimmerman

George Zimmerman

Is there a more reviled man in America today than George Zimmerman? From the New York Daily News:

The new Black Panther Party offered a bounty of $10,000 Saturday for the “capture” of a Florida neighborhood watch captain who killed unarmed teen Trayvon Martin.

“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” leader Mikhail Muhammad said after announcing the reward for George Zimmerman at a protest in Sanford, Fla.

Muhammad called on 5,000 black men to mobilize and capture the neighborhood watch volunteer.

“If the government won’t do the job, we’ll do it,” Muhammad said, leading chants that included “freedom or death” and “justice for Trayvon.”

Muhammad said New Black Panther’s chairman, Malik Zulu Shabaz of Washington, was taking donations from black entertainers and athletes.

The group hopes to collect $1 million off the outrage by next week.

New Black Panthers members pointed to what they called the inaction of government officials — from Sanford city officials up to the governor — and accused them of lying and delaying justice…

[continues in the New York Daily News]

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  • Jesus Borg

    I think this is a good illustration of why a police force with all its problems is still superior to vigilante justice. Lynch mobs, Feuds etc.

  • Andrew

    Get him!

    • zombieslapper

       Grow a brain

      • Andrew

         Why, is your soil not porous enough?

  • MadHierophant

    Okay, this I am not okay with. At least let Zimmerman go to court before you put a bounty on him so legally sanctioned justice can attempt to be done. 

    • Ewop07

      The problem is, he haven’t been arrested or charged with a crime.  He is getting the same treatment Police get when they unjustifiably shoot and kill an innocent kid. 

      • Marklar_Prime

        I think it is a major failure of the rule of law that one man’s life can be undeniably ended by another without a trial taking place. This goes for both Zimmerman and cops. There should be no discretion allowed whatsoever for either police or prosecutors (including plea bargaining) in such a case. Let a duly constituted jury decide the truth of the matter in all such cases. Self defense is certainly a valid legal defense but what is or isn’t a case of self defense when someone has died is far too important to leave to the judgment of police or prosecutors.

  • Heath

    Gun laws in Fl where all you have to do is feel threatened in order to legally shoot someone, I’d say the odds are good for a fair is fair show down. I’m not encouraging vigilante justice, I’m just saying someone might look at Zimmerman and “feel” threatened..

    • Tarik

      Incorrect. You don’t just have to “just feel threatened.” You have to meet five criteria: (1) reasonably believe [a majority of adults under a similar circumstance would come to the same conclusion], that another person (2) will imminently kill or inflict great bodily harm on you, and (3) the other person is not a law enforcement officer operating in fulfillment of a court order, and (4) you are not concurrently attempting to commit a felony, and (5) no alternative to force would prevent #2. 

      • Andrew

        The irony is that Martin had more legal justification to shoot Zimmerman than Zimmerman had to shoot Martin.

        • TennesseeCyberian

          Who threw the first punch?  Until that question is answered, it can’t be established who was defending themselves.

  • Calypso_1

    Did they put out a bounty for these unapprehended killers too?

    Gang-related Shooting Kills Nine-Month Old Boy in Detroit
    http://www.lawofficer.com/article/news/gang-related-shooting-kills-ni

    • eyeoftheaxis

      For better or for worse, blood law has been making a comeback in the last
      30 years or so among street gangs. Our clans abandoned it long ago.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Law

    • Monkey See Monkey Do

      Because many ethnic groups are involved in gangs that result in the death of innocents. I dont agree with the NBP’s violent tactics I just dont see the point your trying to make. This organization goes after people who they see are racially motivated in their crimes.

      • Calypso_1

        Wasn’t asking anybody to see any point whatsoever; However, it is a question that is easily loaded by whatever preconceptions the recipient brings with them. 

        • Monkey See Monkey Do

          Very easily.

          • Calypso_1

            Construction of presuppositions is amusing and potentially revealing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Moses-Museia/1537802411 Moses Museia

    It’s acriminal act to put a bounty on someone’s head without due process. The leader of the black panthers should be arrested for attempted murder.

    • Eric_D_Read

      So should Spike Lee.

  • mysophobe

    This is such a stupid move and gives ammo to the Zimmerman apologists, but if they choose to follow through I would suggest they stalk Zimmerman at night and bait him into drawing his gun to defend himself. What happens next will be a clear-cut case of self defense on the part of the New Black Panther posse.

  • DeepCough

    “’An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,’ leader Mikhail Muhammad said……”

    The only part of the Bible anyone cares to quote anymore.

    • De Carabas

       What I always found weird was how people use the quote. In context it is an admonishment against overreaction. (i.e. Do not take someone’s eye if they take your tooth.) Most people seem to use it as a justification for overreaction or an argument against mercy.

      • Andrew

        Yeah, it was meant as a maximum and people treat it like a minimum.

  • Mike10

    At the time I am writing this, the shooter has yet to be arrested. 

  • R.M.

    The New Black Panthers are dangerous idiots. Here’s the real story on these people:

    http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/new-black-panther-party
     

    • http://twitter.com/D351 D351

       Yeah there needs to be some serious clarification being made about these morons not being the actual Black Panthers.

  • ZombieSlapper

    So we’re just putting bounties out on people who haven’t been charged with a crime now? Yes, let’s demand an investigation. Yes, let’s talk about race and violence and this bullshit in America. No, let’s not take the law into our own hands. Fucking morons. An eye for an eye is the dumbest saying… How’d that work out for ya back in the lynching South? That’s what happens when we take the law into our own hands.

  • Redacted

    I wonder how much the Republicans paid for this little stunt?

  • iChrs

    Zimmerman and Casey Anthony should hookup. 

  • Guest

    Whites should put a bounty on “Black Panthers” in return !
    And I DO NOT MEAN BLACKS;
    but ONLY those who are trying to destroy the relationships I have with my black friends !

    • Jin The Ninja

       who is trying to do that?

      • orest goyan

        Those who are trying to create divisions between fellow Americans, with their Class-Warfare !
        Like obama. the Black=Panthers, Revolting Wright, OWS, etc.

        • Jin The Ninja

          you’re joking or trolling? i just want to make sure how stupid you really are.

          • orest goyan

            Your; “I just to make sure how stupid”;
            is much more stupid than anything I might of said !

          • Jin The Ninja

            no, actually what you said was full of false equivelencies and right wing propaganda.

            the BP’s are a radical black nationalist organisation, and Obama has absolutely demonstrated himself to be a tool of the establishment, with NO black nationalist leanings, and certainly no radical agenda. He is a neo-liberal prop, designed to distract ADHD reich wingerSS like yourself and throw your ilk into a racist frenzy.

            and positing OWS as a tool of class warfare? you made senior vp at goldman’s already?

          • Guest

            Then why has obama, through his arm, AG Holder; refused to prosecute those who tried to prevent any one from voting for anyone but obama ?
            Obama is a radical black Communist; who is determined to take over the Government of the United States. He hopes to be the leader of the World Government in 2016. PERIOD
            PS: If I am now the senior VP of Goldmans; please tell me where I might go to pick-up my check; because,at the moment, I could sure use the money !

          • Jin The Ninja

            lol. you’ve resorted to reich wing faux news talking points ALREADY!?!?

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Lol, Communist?…… Nevermind, I don’t want to hear any more.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            It’s weird how these guys can’t seem to address any facts, but they are really good at hitting you with cliche jabs like “faux news.”  Speaking of, why don’t they ever reveal their presumably more credible sources?

            I have to wonder if they aren’t just kids.  They can always grow out of youthful naivete–stupid can’t be fixed.

          • Guest

            Let me tell you how stupid I am.
            I have the “Brains to play Bingo”.
            And if you can prove the same; please let me know !

    • Redacted

      Yeah lets get that racial tension boiling. This is a good idea.

    • Andrew

      What are you talking about?  Zimmerman isn’t white!

  • Monkey See Monkey Do

    The New Black Panther Party is very different from the Black Panther Party.
    Following excerpt from Wikipedia.

    ———————————————-
    New Black Panther Party
    See also: New Black Panther Party
    In 1989, a group calling itself the “New Black Panther Party” was formed in Dallas, Texas. Ten years later, the NBPP became home to many former Nation of Islam members when the chairmanship was taken by Khalid Abdul Muhammad.
    The Anti-Defamation League and The Southern Poverty Law Center consider the New Black Panthers as a hate group.[88] Members of the original Black Panther Party have insisted that this New Black Panther Party is illegitimate and have strongly objected that there “is no new Black Panther Party”.[89]
    ——————————————————

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Typical media circus.

    Recipe:

    1.  One incredibly stupid law, appealing to the vainglory of careless, uninformed triumphalists

    2.  One unbelievably inept fantasist-slash-loser who will avail himself of the law’s purpose-built sloppiness (i.e., George Zimmermann was a copper manque who was such a zero that he got turned down by at least 3 police deparments)

    3.  One perfectly ordinary kid who was doing absolutely nothing wrong or unusual at all, but merely happened to belong to a demonized ethnic group

    4.  A series of lacksidasical and incompetent “law enforcement” and administrative officers who were so clueless that they’d never noticed the huge, gaping flaws in the legislation before, and found it more convenient to sweep the kid’s murder under the rug than face the music

    5.  A public more concerned with scoring political points than affirming the humanity of any of the participants

    In a just world the law would be repealed, those officials would all be sh*tcanned and Zimermann would do 3 years in a mental home, be assigned a competent guardian and forbidden from wielding anything more dangerous than a butter knife ever again.  But in this world, opportunistic sh*theels will play this M*F* for everything it’s worth in order to perpetuate their faction’s founding mythology. And the officials and the law will remain.

    • ArtsLuber

      I don’t know what your idea of ‘perfectly normal’ is, but judging by his Twitter account, the fact he was suspended several times recently for various things including possibly stealing jewelry (which is why Zimmerman was patrolling in the first place), and the alleged beating he gave Zimmerman before the shooting leads me to believe Martin wasn’t necessarily ‘perfectly normal.’  Zimmerman did have a broken nose, grass stains on his back, eye-witness corroboration of his account, and he cried for days after. I’m not laying judgment one way or the other, I’m only saying you shouldn’t either until all facts are on the table (ie. through due process).

      • Monkey See Monkey Do

        Care to reference any of that? (with decent sources)

        • TennesseeCyberian

          Police report:
          http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf

          A story that has been quietly ignored from a local Tampa news station:
          http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

          The innocent Trayvon’s Tweets:
          http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/

          But then again, the news is racist, so don’t believe everything that you see.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Right.  The dubious nature of your cherry-picked media outlets aside (e.g., Fox “News”, whose owner/director is currently being grilled by the British parliament for illegal hacking and anti-trust activity), you expect us to believe “unnamed sources” who allege the following:

            -That 160 lb. unarmed child overpowered a 200+lb. man who rushed up on him from behind carrying a loaded gun?

            -That, even if the said 160 lb. child could reliably be determined to have caused the “grass stains” to Zimmerman’s head alleged in the report, that the child’s behavior was LESS reasonable in defense of his person than the 200+ lb. man’s in pursuing him with a loaded weapon in the first place?

            -That the mere username under which Martin tweeted for several months prior to the incident could SOMEHOW, POSSIBLY, be relevant to the matter at hand?  The article you posted references none of those tweets contents–directly or indirectly.

            BTW, where did I invoke the word racism in my original post?  Oops–you soiled yourself again.  I didn’t.  TRY READING WHAT I’VE ACTUALLY WRITTEN–NOT WHAT YOU WISH I’D WRITTEN.

            In short, please come back again when you are able to put in at least the appearance of relevance.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            Look, Liam, you are generally a pretty level-headed and intelligent writer/commenter.  But you have proved yourself to be an ass this morning.  Have another cup of coffee.

            First off, I never mentioned your post.  I never even read it.  Stop being so self-absorbed.

            Second, the police report states that Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head.  The grass-stains were on the back of his shirt.  These details are now being carried by all the mainstream outlets that previously ignored them–because everybody knows that now, except for you.  I linked to the Tampa affiliate because they broke the story on the witness.

            Third, if you’ve ever seen the early UFC tapes which had no weight classes–or a decent street fight, for that matter–you would know that a 160 lbs. football player can do a lot of damage to a fat tub of lard, who, from the sound of the 911 recording you mentioned, sounds like a total twat.

            As for that 911 recording, if you listen closely to the end, Zimmerman is not following Trayvon, he doesn’t know where he is.  That’s why he doesn’t want to give the operator his address out loud.

            As for the tweets, Monkey See asked for a reference.  I never qualified them, or said anything about his Twitter name–you did.  That’s kind of racist of you, don’t you think?

            And finally, if you don’t understand that the mainstream media completely skewed the story to fit a script of “evil white man kills innocent black boy,” when in fact Zimmerman is Hispanic and Trayvon was obviously enamoured with thug culture to some extent–he also put a good beating on Zimmerman before he was shot–then I have to wonder why you write for subversive sites like Disinformation and don’t just stick to commenting on NPR or MSNBC.  Who knows, maybe they’ll pick you up as an ultra-PC, indignant commentator.

            You have anymore wise-ass comments before I stop reading this thread?

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Sorry, but really pay attention here.  You seem pretty confused.  I’ll break it down again. 

            You don’t have to agree with me, or respond to my thread (and it is pretty self-evidently my thread–you don’t have to be Dick Tracy to see that the first post was mine).  BUT IF YOU DO TAKE IT UPON YOURSELF TO RESPOND TO MY THREAD you do have to provide actual relevant evidence, not merely an appealing theoretical framework and a list of off-point links that COULD POSSIBLY be significant in conjunction with factual evidence that you haven’t actually presented.

            And, for the record, here is a link to the ACTUAL transcript, which contains nothing remotely resembling your assertion:

            http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

            For the benefit of the casual reader, I will excerpt the most relevant sections which directly contradict your assertion, though I encourage them to investigate on their own:

            [Z]immerman:  “. . . . Shit he’s running.”
            [D]ispatcher:  “He’s running?  Which way is he running?”
            Z:  “Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.” *
            D:  “Which entrance is that that he’s heading towards?”
            Z:  “The back entrance . . . fucking (unintelligible)”**
            D:  “Are you following him?”
            Z:  “YEAH.”

            Notes:
            *  i.e., NOT in Zimerman’s direction
            ** The BACK ENTRACE–the opposite end of the community from where the 911 dispatcher told Zimerman to meet the incoming officer.

            So, Zimmerman quite obviously WAS following Martin. In direct contradiction to your uninformed asssertion. And carrying a loaded gun.

            If you’re trying to rely on “self-defense” as an argument, I’d say that a 160 lb. child has much more reason for apprehension than a 200+lb armed man.  Not really the card to play.

            Let’s face it: Zimermann should have immediately retreated to an enclosed space away from the scene of the encounter–toward the front entrance of the community, just as the dispatcher told him to. “Improvising”–as Zimmerman clearly did in running after Martin–is a rookie mistake for guys who think they’re Starsky n’ Hutch.

            As for you ad hominems against me, well, who really cares what you think? I’ve just pretty conclusively demonstrated that you have no idea what’s going on. I take your personal insults as a badge of honor, because no one in their right mind would give a damn what you think.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            “the ACTUAL transcript, which contains nothing remotely resembling your assertion”
             
            Read the last part of the transcript you provided.  The part after Zimmerman was following Martin, after the operator told him to stop.  You know, the part where Zimmerman says “I don’t know where this kid is.”
             
            That would be an odd thing to say if Zimmerman was still following him.
             
            You wanna retract your statement now?
             
            You keep talking about relevance, yet you have failed to admit that you were wrong about the “‘grass stains’ to Zimmerman’s head.” The stains were on his shirt, and you completely disregarding the bloody nose and cuts.

            You are clearly the one who is confused.
             
            And you keep bringing up this weight class thing as though their respective weights were relevant to the issue of self-defense. 
             
            If Martin got the drop on Zimmerman and threw the first punch, then that means that Martin was the aggressor, Zimmerman was a punk, and in any case, the media is guilty of stirring racial tension by their original caricature of the incident, the details of which are still under investigation.
             
            I never read your opening comment on this thread.  Having done so now, my confidence in your grasp of this story is no greater.
             
            Monkey See asked for sources.  I provided them.  You proceeded to misunderstand them, mischaracterize them, and insult me. 
             
            Never talk down to a stranger.  And when he responds with clear arguments, be man enough to admit your mistakes and move on.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            “Never talk down to a stranger. And when he responds with clear arguments, be man enough to admit your mistakes and move on.”

            Indeed, you should admit you were wrong.  Your arguments are shite, which should be obvious to someone even with your somewhat limited powers of apprehension.

            Again, the salient facts:

            1.  Zimermann began a pursuit of Martin when Martin was running away from him.

            2.  The incident culminated at the end of the community OPPOSITE from where the dispatcher had instructed Zimmerman to meet the incoming officer.

            The fact that Deputy Dawg only TEMPORARILY ceased his pursuit should be obvious from the fact that the incident did NOT culminate at the FRONT entrance to the community, where he had been instructed to meet the officer–instead of near the back entrance, the direction in which Martin went to flee from Zimmerman.

            I encourage you to read those last 3 paragraphs again, assuming you can read. If you can’t, find an adult who can help you.

            So you think it’s reasonable that a 200+lb man armed with a gun should reasonably be expected to have MORE fear than the 160+lb unarmed child that he was pursuing in the first place? 

            As regard the minor abrasions and grass stains–you immediately jump to the conclusion that MARTIN caused them?  Zimermann couldn’t have tripped?

            And even if Martin did cause them, you think it’s odd that Martin might attempt to defend himself from an armed pursuer?  REALLY? You HONESTLY believe that?

            Re: ad hominems:  The keen observer will note that ALL of my comments up to your own half-arsed ad hominems were BEHAVIOR-based, not personal attacks (e.g., I said you were confused–and you are; you were the one who started in with the ad hominems).

            You don’t like being on the receiving end of an ad hominem?  Well boo-hoo, deary.  Don’t come crying to me–just  don’t start them.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            As the text window gets smaller, so does my patience.
             
            Your errors include:
             
            –Accusing me of irrelevance when I simply posted the links requested by Monkey See, including a police report, the breaking story on the witness (now carried in the MSM, including CNN), and the DC article with a link and a window to the Tweets in question (which you said were not there.)  How much more relevant could I have been?
             
            –Claiming that Zimmerman had grass-stains on his head, while ignoring the bloody nose and cuts (then proceeding to concoct a fantastic scenario involving him tripping and falling.)
             
            ” the “grass stains” to Zimmerman’s head alleged in the report”
             
            –Claiming that the 911 transcript did not contain the part at the end–after Zimmerman was told to stop following and says “OK”–where Zimmerman says he no longer sees Martin.
             
            “here is a link to the ACTUAL transcript, which contains nothing remotely resembling your assertion”
             
            Do you deny that you made these incorrect statements?
             
            If so, you’d better go back and edit them out.  Should I take a screen shot?

            (Also, the 911 operator did not instruct Zimmerman to meet anyone anywhere.  He asked if that’s where Zimmerman wanted to meet.  Moments later, it was determined that the police would just call him to ask where he was.  Read more carefully.)
             
            As to your “trip-and-fall” hypothesis…
             
            How many people get a bloody nose, cuts on the back of their head, and grass stains on their back from slipping and falling? Did he fall into a fucking ravine?
             
            If Martin was fleeing in order to escape Zimmerman–who may or may not have had his weapon exposed–why didn’t he get away?  As you say, Martin is 160 lbs. (and a football player.)  Zimmerman is a fatty.  How did Zimmerman catch up?  Especially after the nasty spill you propose?  Couldn’t we just as easily presume that they were playing cat-and-mouse at that point, with no clear picture as to who was the cat?
             
            Can’t we both agree that we don’t know because we weren’t there?
             
            In any case, I provided the information requested, which you conveniently ignored until you couldn’t anymore.  Then you just glossed it over with incorrect statements which you do not own up to, came up with your own “trip-and-fall” scenario, and then acted like you somehow won the argument through caps-lock and semi-clever statements.
             
            And you never address your herd-like adoption of the mainstream media’s initial interpretation of the story.
             
            Face it, you’re acting like a boob.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Sorry, but in this case I am pretty clearly in the right.  And all the evidence backs me up.  It’s embarrassing that you need this repeated to you for the 3rd time, but here goes:  

            Zimmerman unwisely started something he couldn’t finish–not without shooting an unarmed child.   Zimmerman began pusuit–AGAINST dispatcher’s orders.  

            Zimmerman clearly continued pusuit–otherwise the incident would have ended at the FRONT entrance of the community–where T. Smith initially showed up for the call–NOT the back entrance through which Martin fled. The fact that Zimmerman merely equivocated in his response to the dispatcher in order to continue the pursuit surreptitiously is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

            There simply is no scenario under which Martin would be expected to be LESS fearful than Zimmerman, given both Zimmerman’s gun and weight advantage.  I would think the fact that Zimmerman openly admitted to the dispatcher that Martin fled AWAY FROM ZIMMERMAN would have provided you a clue.

            In this inescapable context, your attempts to parse the significance of the precise position of the various boo-boos and grass stains may be amusing, but there is no reasonable standard by which they can be said to be “relevant”.   Even if Martin caused them, he clearly had a g*ddamned right to be fearful of Zimmerman and defend himself.

            So I’m afraid that I must say that I can only agree with you to a point–YOU don’t understand what actually happened.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            You keep repeating that Martin had reason to be fearful.

            I never denied that.  But there is no evidence that Zimmerman approached with his weapon drawn, and unless the coroner’s report shows that Martin was assaulted (besides the gunshot wound), then he obviously attacked Zimmerman in his own neighborhood.

            You ignored the end of the 911 call and assume that Zimmerman was in hot pursuit.  This is yet to be proven, but for sake of argument, let’s say you are right. 

            Now, how did the fat, slipping-and-falling Zimmerman catch up?  If Martin wanted to get away, it seems reasonable that he could have.  It also seems reasonable that Zimmerman pursued, then Martin came up and confronted him, set to whipping his ass, then got shot.

            But again, neither of us know who was doing what after the 911 call.  Yet you claim to.

            None of this gets you off the hood for failing to own up to your incorrect statements about the evidence I provideded. 

            Instead, you chose to reiterate your interpretation of the events.

            I read you loud and clear, the first, second, and third time. 

            Considering your grasp on the details of the evidence, I’m sure the casual reader will be thoroughly convinced.

            Since the window is too small to type, I leave the floor to you.

            But I do recommend you purchase a snazzy We Are All Trayvon Martin hoodie.  It would certainly suit you.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Hint–IT WAS ALSO MARTIN’S NEIGHBORHOOD.

            The fact that I keep having to repeat things to you should serve as kind of a clue–you didn’t get it the first, second, or third time around either. You PROUD of that?

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Were you trying to suggest that Martin shouldn’t have been in his own neighborhood?  Or merely that Zimmerman’s rights were somehow unquestionably superior to Martin’s?  Is there something you’re implying by referring to it exclusively as “ZIMMERMAN’s NEIGHBORHOOD”?

          • TennesseeCyberian

            Well, considering the fact that Trayvon Martin didn’t actually live there, I would say that I’m implying that you aren’t as smart as you think you are.  But probably just as smart as other people think you are.

          • Go Liam Go
          • TennesseeCyberian

            That should be “hook,” not “hood.”

          • TennesseeCyberian

            And also “provided” not “provideded”, though I might start saying provideded from now on.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            In reply to your statement below:

            It was not Trayvon Martin’s neighborhood.  He was visiting his father’s fiancee’s house in Sanford during his suspension from school.

            Tired of making a fool of yourself yet?  Or do you have any more “facts” you’d like to throw out there?

          • TennesseeCyberian

            Fact: Trayvon was not shot in his own neighborhood.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            Here is why it’s always best to state a conjecture as such rather than make declarative statements.

            If you were inclined to make a good counterargument, you should check this out and then get back to me:

            http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3PFAlGc7tR

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Just face it, you’ve been proven completely wrong, suck it up.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Thankyou.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            PS – the DC article has a link to the Tweets, along with an unwieldy window through which you can scroll through them.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Those sources were……atrocious.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            I hate to be the one to break this to you, Monkey See, but unless you, Jin, and Liam are all high-schoolers still wading through this wide world of diverse views and opinions, you are intellectual cripples. 

            Fine company for Tuna Ghost and Mysophobe–no better than fundamentalist Christians.

            You don’t address unpopular facts and the challenges they pose.  At best, you go on self-righteous rants.  At worst, you simply repeat simple-minded phrases.  You are no more subversive than All Things Considered or the hordes of Obamanaut conformists.

            The only reason I respond is to point out your mental shortcomings, but even that has gotten old.  I’ll leave you to the left side of the bell curve and let you sort it out for yourselves.

            Your screen name is apt.  Bless you, child.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Jays, but somebody’s been a busy little beaver over the wee small hours of the morning, haven’t they?

            Y’know, against all odds, you just may be starting to convince me, JoJo.

            Oh I’ll admit, you threw me for a moment by introducing the title of Martin’s twitter account into evidence.  It seemed to imply that you believed Zimmerman took umbrage with one of Martin’s tweets, and that might possibly justify shooting to death an unarmed child.

            And while your spelling difficulties were not strictly relevant, I was beginning to lose confidence in your abilities when you confessed that you don’t know how to work the “edit” function to correct your typos.

            But now I see the picture coming together.  Yeah, Martin may TECHNICALLY have been resident in his father’s home at the time of the shooting (you know–eating, sleeping, taking dumps there–the stuff the layman associates with being domiciled at a particular locale). 

            However you do present a powerful, poweful argument that it would have been much more logical for Martin to walk the 240 miles to his mother’s home in Ives Estate, rather than the several meters to his father’s home in Sanford.  You know, the place he’d actually been eating, sleeping, etc. for the previous few days.

            Know what?  As long as you’re waiting for the toxicology reports to come back on George Zimmerman’s grass stains, why don’t you order a DNA test on the remains?  Maybe’ll turn out that the corpse is actually that of Zimmerman.

            I’m sure there’s a medal in it for you, for cracking the case of “Who Killed George Zimmerman?”.  Provided, of course, that you can find your ass with both hands.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Side note:  Interesting that the individual formerly posting as “JoJo Dancer” has subsequently decided to “re-brand” as “Go Liam Go”.  I clearly hold a much stronger hold on this persons imagination than he/she is willing to admit.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Ar athraigh se a (h-)ainm scaile arist eile?  Nach mbionn deifir faoi/fuithi tagairt do mo bheic!

      • Liam_McGonagle

        The released 911 calls make it clear that Zimmerman went out of HIS way to pursue the unarmed Martin. The operator told Zimermann NOT to pursue Martin, but Zimerman insisted anyway. We’ve heard all that for ourselves numerous times. I’m sure I’d have given doughboy as many “grass stains” as I could before being shot for my legally obtained skittles, too. Assuming Zimermann didn’t get those stains from tripping over his own flabby gut in the first place.

        And your argument that Martin’s academic record could possibly be relevant, let alone KNOWN to Zimermann is quite the howler, too. If a poor school record were somehow a capital offense, I’m sure you’d have been hung for your crimes against syllogistic logic a long time ago.

    • TennesseeCyberian

      For anyone interested in Liam’s fantastic grasp on the facts of this story, please see the flame war below.  One will not only find the astute McGonagle capable of infallible reading comprehension, but also an uncanny ability to extrapolate detailed narratives from the evidence.

      In short, I recommend that Disinfo readers continue to look to Liam McGonagle for detailed information and subsequently insightful commentary.  His unerring accuracy is truly a force to be reckoned with.

      • Jin The Ninja

        no one on this site pays any attention to Your vehement spew.

        • TennesseeCyberian

          Because I get my facts straight, or just for personal reasons?  Or do you have a personal vendetta against facts?

          • Jin The Ninja

            people who divert, lie and obfuscate haven’t a clue of what a ‘fact’ is.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            Point out one lie.  Quote me.

          • Jin The Ninja

            word limit exceeded.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            So like your friend, Liam, you would rather avoid tedious facts in favor of your self-righteous opinion?

            Not surprising.

          • Jin The Ninja

            what is not surprising is your appearance on this thread to challenge the actual narrative of events in favour of your own racist subversions.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            Racist?  Because I pay attention to inconvenient facts?  Should I assume that you and Liam are prejudiced against Hispanics for your knee-jerk condemnation of Zimmerman?  Are you “racist” against me for calling me a liar without citing any of my lies?  Or are you brilliant for side-stepping the evidence I’ve presented in favor of a rational argument?  At least Liam attempted to be rational.

            The R-word is an easy way to stop thinking.  Not that you need any help.

          • Jin The Ninja

            you should change your screen name to “circular” to reflect your logic.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            Do you even know what circular logic is?

            I’ll give you one minute, and if you dare look at Wikipedia, you will be cursed to 1,000 years without Internet access.

          • Jin The Ninja

            lol wikipedia. you jest surely. from ye who links fox news. circular logic- is the same bullshit from beginning to end (or rather the process by which bullshit is exchanged in a closed loop from the same asshole).

  • GoodDoktorBad

    Soon, we’ll all be blind and toothless……

    • DeepCough

      And even then, we’ll still be gumming each other in the dark.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iaminnocenttheblood-Ofthisjustmanyouseetoit/100002857705077 Iaminnocenttheblood Ofthisjust

    IMO, he’s going to get acquitted (1)
    Then we got a new “LA Riot” ‘cept in Florida…

    “Sweating in the Ghetto with the Panthers and the Poor,
    “The Rats who join the babies who are sleeping on the floor,
    “Wouldn’t it be a Riot if they really blew their tops,
    “But they got too much already, besides we got the cops…”

    —From Phil Ochs “Outside a small circle of friends”…YouTube it!
    -Later versions say “The Colored and the Poor” though, just included this cuz it’s still sooo true.

    1.  I think there’s more to this story than what the media says.  This has been turned into an assault on your right to defend yourself. Perhaps it is a racist killing aided by a racist police department, but it’s not worth having the few rights we have left further assaulted. IMO he did actually shoot a perhaps dangerous burglar at least, more of a “Classist” attack, sick of the police letting them get away again and again.

    • Andrew

      The riots won’t be limited to Florida.  That’s when martial law will be declared.  If you value your freedom, pray Zimmerman gets convicted.

  • Adamsshadow

    Every time I read some vigilante press-release or Internet comment regarding some obviously horrible act (child molestation, prolicide, etc), it annoys the fuck out of me.  Yes, we know you’re against cowardly racist dicks; what a brave moral stand you’re taking, putting a bounty on the head of this clown.  Instead of saying you want to take this guy out, how about you dispense with the talk and just take him out yourself? “Look at me!  Look at how brave I’m being with my extreme condemnation!”

    It’s sordid – you’re not helping the problem, you’re making it worse. 

     

    • Monkey See Monkey Do

      Even though I don’t agree with it, it’s a bounty for his capture, not his murder.

      • TennesseeCyberian

        What do you think the Panthers plan to do with him?  Zimmerman is not running from the law. Have you followed this story at all?

        • Monkey See Monkey Do

          To hold him until the courts agree to a fair trial. Your the one projecting the idea they want to kill him, where did you get your information?, your just spreading propaganda.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            Right.  Hold him.  I’m sure that’s tops on the roster.

            “[Zimmerman] should be fearful for his life,” New Black Panthers leader Khallid Abdul Muhammad said. “You can’t keep killing black children.”

            Google it.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    You’re clearly looking for an out.  The answer is for you to deliver a humble apology to me–not see if you can find typos that would have eluded spell check.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Again–relevance, please.  If understand you’re proud of your 3rd grade spelling bee, but time for you to move on to the study of logic, not spelling.

    • TennesseeCyberian

      Those were corrections for my typos, genius.  But I should have known that your sharp attention to detail would have picked up on that.

  • Halo74

    So here is my question. Should the Klan go after black people who have “supposedly ” killed a white person? you know  “eye for an eye”

    • Jin The Ninja

       A)He didn’t “supposedly” kill him, he did.
      B) it’s a bit too late for an “eye for an eye” since as you mention, ‘black’ people were almost genocidally targeted by the klan in previous decades. So it can’t ever be ‘equally’ retributive.

  • Craig

    Alright. An eye for an eye? If the NBP group capture this man for “justice”, then white people need to go after the black men who cause unnecessary violence everyday. Hey, an eye for an eye. Where is the KKK when you need them?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/RWWAEM343UIK2IBZB3OXQZTQXM SPET67

    Scary.  

    Now, someone will probably kill this guy, who may or may not deserve it.  

    I hope he gets arrested for SOMETHING so a semi-rational hearing can take place to determine what happened that night.  

    Instead, we will probably get vigilante “justice”

  • Chimichanga

    All the ‘new black panthers’ can come up with is ten grand?? Jokers. The gov’t will roll in and squash them in a heartbeat.