• Jin The Ninja

    cops work for the state- to protect the state. they don’t work for us plebs, never have, never will.

    • Liam_McGonagle

      That is the practical import of their relationship.

      But you’d be surprised at how many cops actually do see their job as one part of ensuring the community’s quality of life.  I don’t think many of them have highly developed political thoughts about their relationship to the state, but they do think quite a bit about the dangers attending unpleasant emotional upset.

      It’s not a total fantasy.  There are some percentage of sociopaths wandering about who don’t take to more gentle encouragements to cease and desist the harrassment of others.  And that provides just enough coverage for them to develop a self-defeating, delusional mythology about their relationship to the public.

      That said, your statement is still fundamentally correct.  In the 1,500 years since the fall of the Roman Empire, the field of “police sciences” has borrowed only the chinsiest outward trappings of conflict resolution, psychology and medicine.  They are still fundamentally a military force.  Very few of these guys left with B.A.’s in philosophy or art.  More P.E. and woodworking majors.

      Civil authorities are supposed to have more imagination, though.  In all these centuries, has no one ever conceived of an operational police unit composed of 2 or more individuals trained in the complimentary arts of psychology and medicine, as well as swinging a club?

      • Jin The Ninja

        i don’t fundamentally disagree (even slightly) with anything you said. i don’t even think all police are fundamentally ‘bad’ or even ‘most’ i do believe there are quite a few, and the adminstration of the police is fundamentally (and inherently) corrupt in order to serve the interests of the state and ruling party/class/monarch. i do know there are ones who are fair and justice minded. i just think there must be a better ‘system’- one that doesn’t require militarisation of a civilian body designed to uphold outdated but entrenched political values.

        on a side note, a liberal arts education (and the intersections of social justice, empathy, humanism, and logic) would probably benefit a great many [insert profession here]

  • Toxiczen

    im pretty damn far from being on the cops side, BUT! they did what they needed to do, she was having a seizure, so they made sure she was on her side, in case she vomits, and they waited for it to stop then moved her to a safe location and waited for medical care… that’s what your supposed to do.

    • http://www.facebook.com/anthony.slater Anthony Slater

      I watched the video expecting to get furious and in a huff, but instead saw the police doing exactly what they should have, despite it appearing to the untrained eye that they were doing nothing.  There’s really nothing you can do in the case of a seizure except for give her some space, keep her on her side, her head stable, and if need be the airways open.  The officers gave her some space, and one was kneeled by her head.  Whether he was actually keeping her head stable is impossible to determine, but there’s no proof of the opposite, either, and the first seems more likely.  Once her seizure ended, she was brought to a safe locale.

      The only thing worthy of criticism is the lack of EMT, but as another poster said, may have been due to a fierce protester-vs-police front elsewhere blocking the EMT’s path.

  • eyeoftheaxis

    It is not just journalists at protests. This happened over
    the especially bloody weekend in Chicago.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/19/chicago-cop-tells-reporters-your-first-amendment-right-can-be-terminated/

  • ironman99

    come on, there’s so much to actually be angry about with police brutality, but this is just ridiculously manufactured anger. It wasn’t the police’s fault she had a seizure, they took care of her as well as they could, there were at least 5 officers around her the whole time as far as I could tell. There’s no way to tell why it took a paramedic a while to get there, but I’d bet it has more to do with uncooperative protestors blocking off streets or busy paramedics than with police not caring about a girl that’s having a seizure. This isn’t saying the police are justified in everything they do, but seriously, shit happens, and it’s not all the cops’ fault.

  • Eric_D_Read

    Looks like they know exactly who they work for, and they’re cool with it. Treat them accordingly.

  • Adamsshadow

    I have met a few cool cops, but they are definitely in the minority.  It’s sort of like seeing a UFO: unless you yourself, or a close friend or family member sees one (you know, the ones that aren’t on Seroquel or recovering addicts), you just won’t believe it, they’re so fucking rare.  And even if someone does admit the possibility that it happened, they’ll still try to rationalize it: “Are you sure it was an actual cop acting like a human being?  It might have just been a security guard, or one of those well-meaning Guardian Angel nutbags. Or maybe it was swamp gas.  Are you sure you weren’t high?”

    Also, I’m a clean-cut white guy and that helps, whether people want to admit it or not.

  • Joseph

    being an officer in the NYPD they tried to help the person in this video so whats with the outrage, and yes I know alot of things have gone wrong with the ows movement on both sides. 

    • Camron Wiltshire

      She is left in the middle of the street while seizing.  They are worried more about the people documenting their actions more than her safety, and the absolute worst part is they turned down medical assistance from licensed medical professionals (multiple) during a period where she was vulnerable to asphyxiation.

      As a police officer what would you have done differently?   How would you like to be treated in such a situation?  What if she were one of your loved one’s?

      • Camron Wiltshire

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4bH05LEx3E
        Chicago Police: “Your First Amendment Right Can Be Terminated” 2012Chicago police took two members of the media into custody Saturday, including an NBC Chicago photographer. Photographer Donte Williams and WGN Reporter Dan P

      • Joseph

         personally don’t know how I would act, I haven’t gone down there to work thankfully. It’s a mess down there, but one thing I’ve always said about the protest movement they exclude the police and military, both very low paying jobs for the amount of work they do. Once they realize the police are the same and not the enemy and some police officers realize the same it will be alot better down there for everyone.

        • Camron Wiltshire

          Thank you for responding.
          Do you mean that there are not many military or police engaging in protest as well?  That would be fantastic if like Captain Ray Lewis they were genuine at least. 

          We are all Human after all.  Most working class folks have been spun through the same 15k hours of compulsory propaganda ( public school ), denuded of our inherent curiosity and ingenuity and then let into the “wild” to fend for ourselves on the global plantation.  

          I like to think we can win it back through effort, therapy, and good medicine (entheogens, cannabis, nature retreats) etc.

          Be safe out there.  If you realize that the OWS kids are not your real enemy than that is one more sign that peace is possible.

          I myself am not really into the OWS movement as I don’t think it is effectively organizing resources to manifest real change and is really more of a psyop to convince young people that begging their “representatives” for change is the only way to achieve it and to expect to get beat down and locked up for your troubles.

          Funding from Soros, the underlying socialist themes of wealth redistribution etc seem to confirm this suspicion.  I do see merging of various platforms and education spreading regarding the fraud that is the FED/IRS and of course 9/11. (RememberBuilding7.org)

          “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. 
          To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” 
          ― Richard Buckminster Fuller
          I’m curios if in your opinion most police officers are aware of Building 7′s implosion on 9/11 or not?

          Best wishes.

          • Joseph

            Yea those people are not protesting the same as others but I see a reason because they could get cut pay and other repercussion if they do. We are human after all great remark.

            I wasn’t on the job then so I don’t know how those guys felt during that time. But I will ask around quietly though. 

    • Erisoracle23

      The problem is that they are supposed to be paid to be public servants, Not a private security firm. We should sack them all and re-hire.

  • Redacted

    I hear they promote cops based on how many protesters they beat into a coma.

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