Proof That NYPD Infiltrated Activist Groups

Photo: Jonathan McIntosh (CC)

Photo: Jonathan McIntosh (CC)

Everyone knew that the New York Police Department was planting agents provocateur amongst protest groups, but now there’s documentary proof. From AP via CBS News:

Undercover NYPD officers attended meetings of liberal political organizations and kept intelligence files on activists who planned protests around the country, according to interviews and documents that show how police have used counterterrorism tactics to monitor even lawful activities.

The infiltration echoes the tactics the NYPD used in the run-up to New York’s 2004 Republican National Convention, when police monitored church groups, anti-war organizations and environmental advocates nationwide. That effort was revealed by The New York Times in 2007 and in an ongoing federal civil rights lawsuit over how the NYPD treated convention protesters.

Police said the pre-convention spying was necessary to prepare for the huge, raucous crowds that were headed to the city. But documents obtained by The Associated Press show that the police department’s intelligence unit continued to keep close watch on political groups in 2008, long after the convention had passed…

[continues at AP via CBS News. You may also wish to view (as PDF) this "smoking gun" NYPD document obtained by AP.]

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  • GoodDoktorBad

    They are afraid….

    • Liam_McGonagle

      I’m sure that’s a good part of it.  But I wonder if there aren’t a mix of motives here.

      Take that pot-bellied fellow directly in front of the video cameraman, for instance.  The guy next to the woman in pink.  Can’t you just see a thought bubble over his head reading, “Pot pies . . pot pies . . . Where’re they hiding the POT PIES?!!!”

      It’s like bears wandering into a camp site, really, attracted by the smell of waffels and pancakes on the morning griddle.

      I say it’s the OWS folks who should be laying down barricades to mark out their territory instead.  Maybe a little something with a 150 volts running through it could keep Yogi on his side of the park.

      • eyeoftheaxis
      • Jeremy Wasteland

        Come on Liam, 150 volts! Dude that’s piss, even a glove will stop that! Let’s step it up to, lets say… 50,000 volts… Depending on the humidity, air pressure, air density, etc. Electrical current moves through air at around 10,000 volts/cm. And are we talking about alternating current, direct current or pulsed direct current? I would use DC because there is no zero point to let go at. Once you’ve connected the circuit your going to wish you turned around to for that second donut this morning. Also, keep in mind you need to get that arc through multiple layers of Kevlar, polyester, cotton and fat, right? How many centimeters is that? We will have to round it to one generic number, like 5. Which is the primary reason I chose 50,000 volts.     

  • Jesus Borg

    How else are they supposed to keep tabs on the “terrorists”?

  • Jesus Borg

    I wonder if any experts on this subject read this blog…like for example people with advanced degrees in Counter-terrorism. Its would be interesting to get their thoughts on this.

    • Monkey See Monkey Do

      I think people with degrees in advanced counter-terrorism spend more time monitoring sites like this than commenting on them.

      • Jesus Borg

        Like this guy?

        http://www.alexburns.net/about/

        I hope he catches some terrorists! I mean three post graduate degrees in counter-terrorism-that’s a lot of study!

        • Monkey See Monkey Do

          That’s…actually really strange. There does seem to be some randroinds and paultards who post on disinfo though. I also imagine their are many different editors who work for disinfo, which is the job he did.
           
          Counter-cultural doesn’t really mix with counter-terrorism though does it.

          • Jesus Borg

            It get’s stranger, Dude, the more you look into it. He was editor for eight years here, got recruited into the temple of Set by Michael Aquino and since then seems to be following Aquino’s foot steps to the letter. He is a trader, just like a Aquino was for Merrill lynch, he is going into counter terrorism just like Aquino did for the Army. Alex Burn’s doctoral thesis seems identical to “MindWar” memo. written by Aquino for the Army.

            I read “Foreign Affairs” occasionaly so I can decipher mega bone dry jargon laden academic political writing, which is what Burns’ style of writing is lately. But if you can decipher his Doctoral Thesis its basically about how the Power’s that be can diffuse dissent and put forth counter propoganda, that’s more convincing. That’s his idea of “strategic culture” and I would imagine the types of writing that vilify Wall Street Traders and the Military Industrial complex are seen by Burns as a threat to Security. That’s what he’s talking about with  the first line of chapter 5 of his doctoral thesis:

            How
            do terrorist groups use strategic culture to “weaponise cultural
            knowledge”?”

            The Evolution of Strategic Culture in Counterterrorism Studies
            http://www.alexburns.net/Files/MonashPhDProposal.pdf

            http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/MindWar.pdf
             

          • Alex Burns

             It gets stranger still. Jesus Borg is William Gidney who was kicked out of the Temple of Set in the late 1990s for RAHOWA-style white supremacist writings (but, at least he now reads Foreign Affairs). ‘Weaponise cultural knowledge’ comes from Patrick Porter’s (University of Reading) book Military Orientalism (Hurst & Co., 2010). RAND’s Jack Snyder coined strategic culture in 1977 on Soviet nuclear strategy; Harvard’s Alastair Iain Johnston popularised it in a doctoral study on Ming China; and most recent scholarly work is on the European Union. My personal interest in and writings about counter-culture have been public since 1994, as is the 1998-2003 Disinformation archives, and my postgraduate/peer reviewed academic work. The rest of Gidney’s comments about me are speculative and incorrect.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Thanks for clearing that up. White supremacists are considered terrorists aren’t they? You should monitor that guy without a warrant. ;) No but seriously if thats true he sounds like an asshole.

            Since you sound like you have some expertise on the subject.
            Anonymous, Anarchists, Occupy Wall st, ALF

            How do we help these oranizations defeat the terrorists?-
            Ie. Government and Corporations 

          • Jesus Borg

            No I’m not.

          • Jesus Borg

            I don’t know Alex Burns personally and have never been involved in the temple of Set. I came across info on Michael Aquino while investigating child abuse Networks. I came across Alex Burns links to him because he quotes him extensively. 

            Here is a good link along the lines of weaponzing culture:

            http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/columnists/hugh-gusterson/the-us-militarys-quest-to-weaponize-culture 

          • Jesus Borg

            Like I said I am not that guy you mentioned, but I’m curious why a white supremacist would be kicked out of the Temple of Set. Isn’t “Mein Kampf” on the Temple of Set reading list?

            Hat’s off to you on your articles in the Disinformation Archives. maybe you can help me find an article I am looking for that seems to have been deleted. Its on the “Woodpecker Effect”

            http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg68391.html

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Are you Alex Constantine? If not why do care so much about this guy?

          • Jesus Borg

            I originally had an assumption that the editors of a publishing company would have a strong affinity for the content they put out. But really that’s not neccesarily the case. I mean why should it be the case? Its probably not the case with “the national enquirer”

            There is all this counter cultural fringe stuff out there. Dinfinfo just kind of ropes together a sampling of it and provides it as web content and books. It doesn’t really say anything as to their point of view.

            I interpret Alex Burns eight years as editor as possibly research on how the counter culture and dissident anti-authoritarian individuials think. How they can be manipulated. It might not have been the original goal but thats probably what it is now.

            Its a mindset not that there is a truth to be discovered and that this will lead to cultural evolution but rather how to maintain power in the face of dissent from the have nots.

      • Hadrian999

         this site is really tame compared to others I have seen, here most people just bicker and talk about theories, I have seen several that seriously advocate violence against “the man” and any group they don’t like

        • Jesus Borg

          I think Derrick Jensen is being put in place for some serious counter terrorism operations. He’s just too ridiculous, the stuff he writes. I bet they have dirt on him. I wouldn’t be surprised.

          • Hadrian999

            either that or he is just writing that way to get publicity

          • Jesus Borg

            He is openly recruiting people to engage in violent insurrection. Why don’t you email him and ask “where do I sign up?” and see what happens.

          • Hadrian999

             most people who openly recruit violent rebels in the usa turn out to be fbi

          • Jin The Ninja

            jensen’s main thesis of civilisation is sound, and his deconstructions of pacificism are also sound. it’s his advocacy of direct violence (as opposed to action) which is highly problematic.

          • Hadrian999

             abandoning civilization for an indigenous lifestyle isn’t really much of a choice

          • Jin The Ninja

            i totally agree, i just meant his assertion that our civilisation as such is unsustainable is most likely correct. i am not even remotely a primitivist, nor do i think the return to pre technological civilisation is in any way desireable. but i do see a correlation between democracy (as a direct or community oriented paradigm) and sustainability (no gmo, no fossil fuels, no nuke, no agri. monoculture).

          • Andrew

            Who said anything about choice?

          • Hadrian999

            that doom would be much worse than annihilation.

          • eyeoftheaxis

            I know some highly educated people that have made the choice to live off
            the grid. It’s still an individual choice at this point. So is how far off the
            grid you want to be. They have solar, well water, organic farm, bio diesel,
            internet, Xbox and a lot of happiness.

          • Hadrian999

            they are living off the grid but still depend on the grid existing, they are like parasites. individuals living off the grid while the grid exists as a back up is much different than living in a total absence of “the grid” the people you know can always go running back to the grid when something bad happens. . Real indigenous living means no education no medicine, no art, no literature, dieing from common illnesses, being lamed for life by minor injuries.

          • Jin The Ninja

            it’s only a semantic disagreement, but instead of ‘indigenous’ what would be preferable to say is ‘primitive/pre techno’ b/c aboriginal peoples do/did have extensive education systems, art,  oral traditions, pictography, and an extensive herbal medicine system.

          • Hadrian999

             herbal meds won’t fix a shattered ankle, and that education system wasn’t teaching advanced mathematics, physics., geometry, and their art didn’t rival art of civilized artists such as rodan, Michelangelo or da vinci. people over idealize primitive peoples

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Indigenous and primitive are two different things.

          • Hadrian999

            ok show me an indigenous people who are more technologically advanced than “western civilization”

          • Jin The Ninja

            the value of a culture is not in it’s level of technological progress.
            if that were true, medieval european culture would have no value, as the persians, and the chinese were light years (and by that at least 1000 years) ahead of european culture in every way: printing, medicine, astronomy, literature, politics, debate, art.
            people also over emphasize the so-called ‘western tradition’. i don’t think it’s at all romantic to recognise indigenous speheres of knowledge as equal in value to western spheres of knowledge.

          • eyeoftheaxis

            Some hard working parasites. Perhaps I’m confusing indigenous with
            sustainable. Dad’s side of the family was from the rez & I wouldn’t want to
            go back to small pox blankets.

          • Hadrian999

            I am not saying they are bud or lazy just that they are still feeding off of civilization and not truly separate from it

          • Hadrian999

            the sad part is that unless we acquire some serious science-fiction level technology we are going to require to need drastic population reduction to live in such a lifestyle, even at only 1.5% population growth the population will double every 52 years. the original pueblo people learned the hard way that large concentrated populations aren’t really sustainable

          • Andrew

            Well, I’m sure we have several years left before we have to commit suicide.

          • Jin The Ninja

            reply to below:

            for every ‘technologically advanced’ civilisation you can show me (chinese and persian included) i can show you mass disparity, systems of slavery, war on a vast civilizational scale, and resource exploitation.

            and for every one of those i can demonstrably show you an indigenous civilization that thrived by subverting hierarchies, had egalitarian and advanced political systems, and an ecocentric worldview that valued the environment above all, and almost no need for money.

        • eyeoftheaxis

          I would like to add no one is ever shot directly via the internet. ( I
          know, duh ) Meanwhile, in the hood the low hanging fruit has obviously gone the
          way of respect for the police. Crack peaceful protester heads or get shot in the
          hood fighting the drug war – I doubt it’s a very tough call. Some in the hood
          are going for the Ice-T.

          — again just last night & not really news for most people.

          http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-police-shooting-105th-halsted-143916516.html

        • rtb61

           The worst ones I have come across that not only seriously advocate violence against, ‘everyone who is not them’, they also cheer on acts of extreme violence and defend any of the members caught out in extreme brutality, including murder.
          They’re called police forums. I have never come across more hateful, violent and abuse comments than on law enforcement web forums.

  • Simiantongue

    I’m left wondering if the police are really there to prevent crimes from happening, or is their purpose to run interference for an established status quo. Their actions indicate the latter more than the former.

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