U.S. Homeland Security Buys 450 Million Hollow-Point Bullets

TacticalHSTPistolIs the U.S. Government expecting domestic insurrection? From Business Insider:

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an “indefinite delivery” of an “indefinite quantity” of .40 caliber ammunition from defense contractor ATK.

U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal.

The high performance HST bullets are designed for law enforcement and ATK says they offer “optimum penetration for terminal performance.”

This refers to the the bullet’s hollow-point tip that passes through barriers and expands for a bigger impact without the rest of the bullet getting warped out of shape: “this bullet holds its jacket in the toughest conditions.”…

[continues at Business Insider]


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  • http://www.jaycob.co.nf/ Scruffy

    lol “Shred yo momma’s head like a cabbage”


  • Raz

    It will be so mush of a shock if those bullets end up in the hands of the gangsters in the south of the border! Like in the next ‘fast an furious’ operation or something, that probably these douches are still doing. After all there are no corruption in US just some really bad decisions!

    • Pb

       i think you just nailed it.

  • Einherjar333

    hmm time to buy atk stock lol

  • Pb

    WTF is this shit!  My God! Hollow points for law enforcement?!  Even our own military is treaty bound to only use full metal jacket ammo.. 

    Probably just some bullshit sweetheart pork barrel fuckery deal, though. 

    • Calypso_1

      In a civilian environment hollow points reduce the risk of target over-penetration.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3ERBSYEMP6TR2IAI6AKSACDOAI AT

    This was already addressed elsewhere. 450,000,000 equals about 1,300 rounds for every law enforcement officer in the DHS (Border Patrol, INS, Air Marshals, etc. etc.) per year, excluding Coast Guard. Most federal officers use about 1,000 rounds annually on training and qualifying. 

    This new contract succeeds a 3 year, 250,000,000 round contract that was signed in 2009 (and many other ones before). 


    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/5OQFBZ26C3VQ5ONGZGDBDY4BUU Mark A

      Why would they come to get you? They’ve already got you in the bag.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3ERBSYEMP6TR2IAI6AKSACDOAI AT

        LOL, you’re right, the 450 million rounds isn’t for training, it’s for a major domestic insurrection. Just like this purchase of hundreds of millions of rounds in 2009 was for a domestic insurrection – 
        – I’m sure Alex Jones was raining the alarm bells then, too. 


        There are serious issues to be concerned about – FISA, Roving Wiretaps, etc. The looney-bin “they’re about to kill us all!” screed pushes all that into the dumpster. 

        It’s like a University hosting a panel on potential dangers of solar flares and putting a UFO enthusiast on it. No one is going to take solar flares seriously from that point forward. 

        • R U FogHorn LegHorn?

          Shut the Hell Up, wind bag.  You wrote more than the entire article.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3ERBSYEMP6TR2IAI6AKSACDOAI AT

            This is a fairly cookie-cutter Alex Jones/Art Bell fanboy response. Once the UFO has been correctly identified as a Jet Blue 737 flying in fog the fan – who has made a significant emotional commitment to the fantasy – will become unhinged, lashing out at those around him in an effort to salvage remaining elements of the fantasy by discouraging further dissection. 

          • R U FogHorn LegHorn?

            HaHa your are obnoxious like FogHorn LegHorn.  No friends for people like you.

    • chinagreenelvis

      It’s always nice to see voices of reason in the reader comments section. I used to love coming to Disinfo since it was kind of a one-stop source for all of the strange news I’m interested in, but the site has become increasingly alarmist in the past several years.

      • Andrew

        That’s what they want you to think.

    • shane

      you don’t use hollow points for training lol

      • gelikeasics

        really. expensive manstoppers when you can use bullets that cost less than half of those hollowtips

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3ERBSYEMP6TR2IAI6AKSACDOAI AT

          You should write your congressman, then, instead of preparing for the Mayan 2012 prophecy. All police agencies, federal, state and local, use hollowpoints to reduce the risk to bystanders of richochets. The requirements of police patrol officers and army infantry are different.

      • Phantom

        Yeah, hollow points aren’t for training.  Any way, each law enforcement dept buys their own equipment.  450 mil might be going to Homeland Security privatized military force.  .40 in a HK MP5 is a weapon of choice for close quarter combat in urban assault troops.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3ERBSYEMP6TR2IAI6AKSACDOAI AT

          1. Your public range may not allow you to fire hollow-point ammunition because they’re worried about their backstops … I doubt the Border Patrol is shooting at the local gun club. 

          2. nope – that’s just factually incorrect; the DHS purchases disposable material for standardized equipment items in bulk for all their agencies except the Coast Guard

          3. the .40 S&W round is used by more than half of U.S. state police agencies for their service weapons; it’s reasonable to assume it’s similarly popular with federal LEOs

          4. “Homeland Security Privatized Military Force Urban Assault Troops” – Are you this guy? … http://youtu.be/ox7oxgft8jY

          Finally, this is a IDIQ contract. In other words, contrary to the actual headline of this article, the DHS has NOT “bought 450 million” rounds of anything. ATK has guaranteed that they will sell up to  450 million rounds to DHS at “X” price over the next five years. Actual purchases will be made every year against the contract terms and may be only a fraction of the 450 million maximum guarantee (or all of it). IDIQ contracts are used to guarantee priority of delivery and lock-in competitive price guarantees.

          • http://www.facebook.com/cees.timmerman Cees Timmerman

            Worried about backstops? I thought the only alternative to hollowpoints was full metal jackets, which penetrate better and too much in soft targets.

    • rtb61

       Hollow points are illegal to use in war, against the Geneva convention. So it’s bad to use them against enemy soldiers but it’s OK to use them against civilians.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3ERBSYEMP6TR2IAI6AKSACDOAI AT

        All police agencies, federal, state and local, use hollowpoints to reduce the risk to bystanders of richochets. The requirements of police patrol officers and army infantry are different.

      • Calypso_1

        Jacketed rounds are used for warfare because they are less likely to cause an instantly lethal wound. This results in a causality that needs to be cared for, tying up enemy resources.  They also are more likely to penetrate armor and do not misfire as often.  Hollow points on full-auto don’t work too well. 

        Hollow points are not specifically forbidden in the Geneva Convention which only prohibits weapons that cause unnecessary suffering.  It is the Hague Convention that prohibits fragmenting bullets.

    • Zeeeboy

      no agency uses hollow points for training…they are way too expensive.
      There are specific rounds made for practice.

    • notamoron likeyou

       you are a fucking moron.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    I like to call ’em Shrapnel Flowers.

  • Marklar_Prime

    ,..and don’t forget that arming color revolutions takes more than weapons, ammo is needed as well.

  • justagirl

    “comments for this page are closed.”  hmm i am not liking.

  • justagirl

    and where the fuck is grooveboss?. jc.

  • Redacted

    Oh please. You liberals don’t realize that literally anyone can be a terrorist, so the obvious solution is to shoot everyone. If you object to dying for no reason, then you obviously have not read the Bible.

  • Hadrian999

    I prefer Glazers

    • Jin The Ninja

      is it noticeably better?

      • Hadrian999

         the design eliminates ricochets and blowing through walls while still causing serious wounds, almost useless against armor but that isn’t an issue in most self defense situations

        • Jin The Ninja

          thank you. it’s actually pretty interesting to me who has fired a gun once and knows absolutely nothing about them.

          • Hadrian999

            if you google them you should be able to find a good diagram of how they work, but you wouldn’t want to practice with them

          • Jin The Ninja

            i’m not faint hearted, but guns freak me out a bit. i’d love to learn how to shoot though, seems like a useful skill.

          • Hadrian999

            it isn’t really heard to learn and practice and proper weapon handling skills would most likely cure u of being freaked out by them

          • Calypso_1

            Get a  blowback airpistol, move up to a .22 and so on.  There should be some ‘freak out’ factor given the lethality. 
            Rigidly learn proper handling – carry condition, flagging, trigger pull, sighting and stoppage drills, all of which are available from a myriad of sources and like any martial art – basics X1000 and you will have a good foundation.

  • Robert Pinkerton

    The .40″S&W cartridge was developed because 10mm full-house was too much recoil for female and metrosexual male FBI agents to handle.

  • D.D.B.

    I’m sure there’s at least one with my name on it!

  • Rwolf

    Who does U.S Government intend to kill with millions
    of Hollow Point Bullets? Hollow
    point bullets are designed to expand, increase in size upon penetrating a human
    body, maximizing tissue damage and blood loss or shock. Hollow point bullets
    transfer their kinetic energy to the target maximizing damage; that would not
    be the case with a bullet designed to pass through tissue, e.g. disable a
    target. Hollow points are meant to kill.

    If U.S. Government plans to subsequently
    shut down Ammunition sales, it makes sense government would stockpile hundreds
    of millions of bullets. Government would not need to seize Citizens’ guns,
    which would be useless without Ammunition. Government would have huge stores of
    Ammunition while Americans would have little or none.

  • Rmpierce70

    I right now have a ridiculous problem with the Kcc campus where an item was simply dropped when I attempted to clear up all misunderstandings I was incarcerated . So much for how we were raised to stand up straight and tall and tell the truth. Now they are striving to ruin my life