U.S. Homeland Security Buys 450 Million Hollow-Point Bullets

TacticalHSTPistolIs the U.S. Government expecting domestic insurrection? From Business Insider:

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an “indefinite delivery” of an “indefinite quantity” of .40 caliber ammunition from defense contractor ATK.

U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal.

The high performance HST bullets are designed for law enforcement and ATK says they offer “optimum penetration for terminal performance.”

This refers to the the bullet’s hollow-point tip that passes through barriers and expands for a bigger impact without the rest of the bullet getting warped out of shape: “this bullet holds its jacket in the toughest conditions.”…

[continues at Business Insider]


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44 Comments on "U.S. Homeland Security Buys 450 Million Hollow-Point Bullets"

  1. lol “Shred yo momma’s head like a cabbage”


  2. It will be so mush of a shock if those bullets end up in the hands of the gangsters in the south of the border! Like in the next ‘fast an furious’ operation or something, that probably these douches are still doing. After all there are no corruption in US just some really bad decisions!

  3. Einherjar333 | Mar 30, 2012 at 9:25 am |

    hmm time to buy atk stock lol

  4. WTF is this shit!  My God! Hollow points for law enforcement?!  Even our own military is treaty bound to only use full metal jacket ammo.. 

    Probably just some bullshit sweetheart pork barrel fuckery deal, though. 

    • Calypso_1 | Mar 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm |

      In a civilian environment hollow points reduce the risk of target over-penetration.

  5. This was already addressed elsewhere. 450,000,000 equals about 1,300 rounds for every law enforcement officer in the DHS (Border Patrol, INS, Air Marshals, etc. etc.) per year, excluding Coast Guard. Most federal officers use about 1,000 rounds annually on training and qualifying. 

    This new contract succeeds a 3 year, 250,000,000 round contract that was signed in 2009 (and many other ones before). 


    • Why would they come to get you? They’ve already got you in the bag.

      • LOL, you’re right, the 450 million rounds isn’t for training, it’s for a major domestic insurrection. Just like this purchase of hundreds of millions of rounds in 2009 was for a domestic insurrection – 
        – I’m sure Alex Jones was raining the alarm bells then, too. 


        There are serious issues to be concerned about – FISA, Roving Wiretaps, etc. The looney-bin “they’re about to kill us all!” screed pushes all that into the dumpster. 

        It’s like a University hosting a panel on potential dangers of solar flares and putting a UFO enthusiast on it. No one is going to take solar flares seriously from that point forward. 

        • R U FogHorn LegHorn? | Mar 31, 2012 at 4:20 am |

          Shut the Hell Up, wind bag.  You wrote more than the entire article.

          • This is a fairly cookie-cutter Alex Jones/Art Bell fanboy response. Once the UFO has been correctly identified as a Jet Blue 737 flying in fog the fan – who has made a significant emotional commitment to the fantasy – will become unhinged, lashing out at those around him in an effort to salvage remaining elements of the fantasy by discouraging further dissection. 

          • R U FogHorn LegHorn? | Mar 31, 2012 at 1:20 pm |

            HaHa your are obnoxious like FogHorn LegHorn.  No friends for people like you.

    • chinagreenelvis | Mar 30, 2012 at 2:34 pm |

      It’s always nice to see voices of reason in the reader comments section. I used to love coming to Disinfo since it was kind of a one-stop source for all of the strange news I’m interested in, but the site has become increasingly alarmist in the past several years.

    • you don’t use hollow points for training lol

      • gelikeasics | Mar 30, 2012 at 5:33 pm |

        really. expensive manstoppers when you can use bullets that cost less than half of those hollowtips

        • You should write your congressman, then, instead of preparing for the Mayan 2012 prophecy. All police agencies, federal, state and local, use hollowpoints to reduce the risk to bystanders of richochets. The requirements of police patrol officers and army infantry are different.

      • Yeah, hollow points aren’t for training.  Any way, each law enforcement dept buys their own equipment.  450 mil might be going to Homeland Security privatized military force.  .40 in a HK MP5 is a weapon of choice for close quarter combat in urban assault troops.

        • 1. Your public range may not allow you to fire hollow-point ammunition because they’re worried about their backstops … I doubt the Border Patrol is shooting at the local gun club. 

          2. nope – that’s just factually incorrect; the DHS purchases disposable material for standardized equipment items in bulk for all their agencies except the Coast Guard

          3. the .40 S&W round is used by more than half of U.S. state police agencies for their service weapons; it’s reasonable to assume it’s similarly popular with federal LEOs

          4. “Homeland Security Privatized Military Force Urban Assault Troops” – Are you this guy? … http://youtu.be/ox7oxgft8jY

          Finally, this is a IDIQ contract. In other words, contrary to the actual headline of this article, the DHS has NOT “bought 450 million” rounds of anything. ATK has guaranteed that they will sell up to  450 million rounds to DHS at “X” price over the next five years. Actual purchases will be made every year against the contract terms and may be only a fraction of the 450 million maximum guarantee (or all of it). IDIQ contracts are used to guarantee priority of delivery and lock-in competitive price guarantees.

          • Worried about backstops? I thought the only alternative to hollowpoints was full metal jackets, which penetrate better and too much in soft targets.

    •  Hollow points are illegal to use in war, against the Geneva convention. So it’s bad to use them against enemy soldiers but it’s OK to use them against civilians.

      • All police agencies, federal, state and local, use hollowpoints to reduce the risk to bystanders of richochets. The requirements of police patrol officers and army infantry are different.

      • Calypso_1 | Mar 30, 2012 at 11:06 pm |

        Jacketed rounds are used for warfare because they are less likely to cause an instantly lethal wound. This results in a causality that needs to be cared for, tying up enemy resources.  They also are more likely to penetrate armor and do not misfire as often.  Hollow points on full-auto don’t work too well. 

        Hollow points are not specifically forbidden in the Geneva Convention which only prohibits weapons that cause unnecessary suffering.  It is the Hague Convention that prohibits fragmenting bullets.

    • no agency uses hollow points for training…they are way too expensive.
      There are specific rounds made for practice.

    • notamoron likeyou | Aug 20, 2012 at 1:07 pm |

       you are a fucking moron.

  6. I like to call ’em Shrapnel Flowers.

  7. Marklar_Prime | Mar 30, 2012 at 12:40 pm |

    ,..and don’t forget that arming color revolutions takes more than weapons, ammo is needed as well.

  8. justagirl | Mar 30, 2012 at 1:14 pm |

    “comments for this page are closed.”  hmm i am not liking.

  9. justagirl | Mar 30, 2012 at 1:15 pm |

    and where the fuck is grooveboss?. jc.

  10. Oh please. You liberals don’t realize that literally anyone can be a terrorist, so the obvious solution is to shoot everyone. If you object to dying for no reason, then you obviously have not read the Bible.

  11. Hadrian999 | Mar 30, 2012 at 2:32 pm |

    I prefer Glazers

    • Jin The Ninja | Mar 30, 2012 at 4:04 pm |

      is it noticeably better?

      • Hadrian999 | Mar 30, 2012 at 5:52 pm |

         the design eliminates ricochets and blowing through walls while still causing serious wounds, almost useless against armor but that isn’t an issue in most self defense situations

        • Jin The Ninja | Mar 31, 2012 at 12:45 pm |

          thank you. it’s actually pretty interesting to me who has fired a gun once and knows absolutely nothing about them.

          • Hadrian999 | Mar 31, 2012 at 10:23 pm |

            if you google them you should be able to find a good diagram of how they work, but you wouldn’t want to practice with them

          • Jin The Ninja | Mar 31, 2012 at 11:52 pm |

            i’m not faint hearted, but guns freak me out a bit. i’d love to learn how to shoot though, seems like a useful skill.

          • Hadrian999 | Apr 1, 2012 at 12:08 am |

            it isn’t really heard to learn and practice and proper weapon handling skills would most likely cure u of being freaked out by them

          • Calypso_1 | Apr 1, 2012 at 12:54 am |

            Get a  blowback airpistol, move up to a .22 and so on.  There should be some ‘freak out’ factor given the lethality. 
            Rigidly learn proper handling – carry condition, flagging, trigger pull, sighting and stoppage drills, all of which are available from a myriad of sources and like any martial art – basics X1000 and you will have a good foundation.

  12. Robert Pinkerton | Mar 30, 2012 at 4:30 pm |

    The .40″S&W cartridge was developed because 10mm full-house was too much recoil for female and metrosexual male FBI agents to handle.

  13. I’m sure there’s at least one with my name on it!

  14. Who does U.S Government intend to kill with millions
    of Hollow Point Bullets? Hollow
    point bullets are designed to expand, increase in size upon penetrating a human
    body, maximizing tissue damage and blood loss or shock. Hollow point bullets
    transfer their kinetic energy to the target maximizing damage; that would not
    be the case with a bullet designed to pass through tissue, e.g. disable a
    target. Hollow points are meant to kill.

    If U.S. Government plans to subsequently
    shut down Ammunition sales, it makes sense government would stockpile hundreds
    of millions of bullets. Government would not need to seize Citizens’ guns,
    which would be useless without Ammunition. Government would have huge stores of
    Ammunition while Americans would have little or none.

  15. Rmpierce70 | Apr 25, 2012 at 10:01 pm |

    I right now have a ridiculous problem with the Kcc campus where an item was simply dropped when I attempted to clear up all misunderstandings I was incarcerated . So much for how we were raised to stand up straight and tall and tell the truth. Now they are striving to ruin my life

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