Heartland Institute Compares Belief in Global Warming to Mass Murder

Heartland AdLeo Hickman reports in the Guardian:

It really is hard to know where to begin with this one. But let’s start with: “What on earth were they thinking?”

The Heartland Institute, a Chicago-based rightwing thinktank notorious for promoting climate scepticism, has launched quite possibly one of the most ill-judged poster campaigns in the history of ill-judged poster campaigns.

I’ll let its own press release for its upcoming conference explain, as there’s simply no need to finesse it further:

Billboards in Chicago paid for by The Heartland Institute point out that some of the world’s most notorious criminals say they “still believe in global warming” – and ask viewers if they do, too…The billboard series features Ted Kaczynski, the infamous Unabomber; Charles Manson, a mass murderer; and Fidel Castro, a tyrant. Other global warming alarmists who may appear on future billboards include Osama bin Laden and James J. Lee (who took hostages inside the headquarters of the Discovery Channel in 2010).

These rogues and villains were chosen because they made public statements about how man-made global warming is a crisis and how mankind must take immediate and drastic actions to stop it.

Read more here.

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  • JohnFrancisBittrich

    Kaczynski was right.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Just one narrow, slippery rung above the “Hitler did it” argument.Depending on your point of view, this could be either extremely Good News or extremely Bad News.  Guess it depends on your estimation of the audience’s capacity for self-awareness.

    This must be our struggle.

    • Calypso_1

      Self-awareness is the work of the devil.

      • Liam_McGonagle

        Damn, that’s good!

  • Zach Templeton

    Charles Manson  never killed anyone… and got caught. 

  • http://twitter.com/jasonpaulhayes jasonpaulhayes

    Maybe they should put Timothy McVeigh, David Koresh and Jim Jones up there with a bunch of mutilated children and say “I still believe in Jesus, Do You?”

    Equating being a Bad Guy with being aware of “Global Warming” (or the larger issue of Climate Change) and using the word “Belief” (which science rejects as evidence) to paint science as being in competitions with religion is Treason.

    http://www.popeorhitler.com

    • Eric_D_Read

      “Maybe they should put Timothy McVeigh, David Koresh and Jim Jones up there with a bunch of mutilated children and say “I still believe in Jesus, Do You?”
      That’s actually not a bad idea. I’d chip in a few bucks to help fund that ad campaign.

  • Rooti

    Wow, this is usually what the global warming people do to everyone else.

  • mole_face

    Anyone who throws around the term “heartland” can’t be taken seriously. “Preserving the heartland” = preserving conservative Jesus-loving white America. I wouldn’t even object to these Christ Cult fuckwads’ right to hold a racist worldview – far be it from me to play the thought police – except for the fact that they always veil their xenophobic, genocidal beliefs in such cowardly euphemistic terms. Just say what you really mean, assholes. 

  • Anti-Crowley

    Hilarious, how did this turn into a Christian bashing session?  Oh, I forgot this is disinfo.  Don’t forget to have an open mind…and do condemn racism and other forms of hate though.  Same nonsense, same names.

    • Redacted

      BAWWWWWWWW

    • mole_face

      Christianity came up because the types of people who talk about the “heartland” are invariably xenophobic right wing Christians. Racial tolerance and religious tolerance have nothing to do with each other – nobody chooses their ethnicity, but it’s well within an individual’s own power to choose whether or not to belong to a cult.

      • Anti-Crowley

         Ah yes mole face, I’ve seen your ilk before.  Your ethos reeks of hypocrisy.  Broad sweeping generalizations, bigoted stereo-types and hate mongering.  As long as it is aimed at those who disagree with you it is all on the green.  But for yourself and those like minded you demand sovereignty and the right to be judged on your personal merits, any negative stereo-typing is forbidden if it includes you.  I accuse you and the two “likes” you received, most likely Jasonpaulhayes and EricDRead I suspect. 

        “Racial tolerance and religious tolerance have nothing to do with each other”

        ???

        Except for the tolerance.  You judge Christians for their xenophobia, is that because of their stance on abortion and gay marriage?  I might point out that those are choices people make as well, are they permitted in the “okay to hate” category that you have so logically set up for yourself?  Enough of your weak arguments.  I prefer a more polished discussion from someone such as DeepCough.

        • mole_face

           
          You’re getting caught up in the idea that it’s inherently wrong to discriminate against anyone for any reason. Actually, it’s perfectly logical to hate someone for their belief system. If anything, that’s one of the more valid reasons to have a problem with a person – whereas racism and xenophobia are illogical because they involve discriminating against someone for an aspect of themselves that they had absolutely no control over.

          As an agnostic, I don’t even have an issue with the spiritual elements of your Jesus cult. I constantly question the nature of reality myself, and I’m not even necessarily opposed to the concept that there might be a deity pulling the strings. I just think it’s ridiculous that you actually believe that the secret meaning of life is that there’s an unseen deity who wants you to a) obey all the same laws that our rulers have already been trying to force on citizens since birth and b) give money to your cult leaders. Plus the bible includes quite a few completely outdated guidelines for behavior that were very specific to the period in which the book was written. How much more obvious does a social control cult have to be before you catch on to the scam?

          • Anti-Crowley

             I see that you fancy yourself free of anything that could fall under your loose definition of “social control cult.”  Is this something you would honestly espouse?

            “I just think it’s ridiculous that you actually believe that the secret
            meaning of life is that there’s an unseen deity who wants you to a) obey
            all the same laws that our rulers have already been trying to force on
            citizens since birth”

            So you think there may be a diety who bothered to in one way or another cause our existence, but has no purpose behind it?  If that deity has a purpose for our being, then that deity has an interest in our accomplishing that purpose.  The reverse would be absurd. 

            “Plus the bible includes quite a few completely outdated guidelines for
            behavior that were very specific to the period in which the book was
            written. ”

            That statement is something Christ spent a lot of time trying to get across to the Pharisees.  If you intended this to be some sort of refutation, I would suggest that most of what you think Christians believe are wild caricatures and straw men.  I could take some time and try to explain what we actually believe if you would like.  At least then you would hate us for valid reasons.

          • mole_face

            How is that a strawman? The fact that the bible includes guidelines for behavior that ONLY applied to the period during which the book was written is VERY telling, and is consistent with the concept that Christianity is a social control cult. The words of an omnipotent god who can see to the end of time would continue to ring true centuries later – yet much of the bible’s edicts for behavior had to be adapted to fit with our current societal standards.

            What makes me most skeptical of mainstream religious cults is the very fact that an exchange of money is involved, along with a set of rules that conveniently make you a more docile/manageable citizen. Religion seems like a way to provide convenient answers to valid metaphysical questions – answers that will push you backwards in a restrictive box for the rest of your life if you buy into them.

            I don’t believe in a deity AT ALL – but I’m agnostic because if there is some other plane of existence with an all-knowing puppetmaster pulling the strings, we’d have no way to scientifically detect it, so the theory has its own sort of self contained logic. But do I think that’s probable? Fuck no. But who knows? Life is weird.

        • mole_face

          ” You judge Christians for their xenophobia, is that because of their
          stance on abortion and gay marriage?  I might point out that those are
          choices people make as well, are they permitted in the “okay to hate”
          category that you have so logically set up for yourself?”

          You’re putting words in my mouth. Did I even once bring up abortion or homosexuality? I was simply pointing out that right wing Christians are often too cowardly to come right out and openly express their racist, xenophobia worldview – hence veiled buzzwords like “heartland”. Like I said, I have zero interest in being the thought police – what I’m objecting to is the cowardly indirect way that they’re expressing their beliefs.

          About abortion – I’m pro-choice, but I completely understand where pro-lifers are coming from, since abortion technically is ending a life. But I suspect that their “pro life” stance is more about having dominion over other peoples’ sex lives than actually saving lives, since very few pro-life activists also take an anti-war stance. If anything, “pro-life” types are usually the people who are most vehemently pro-war.

          As for being anti-gay, that’s logically indefensible. Even if you argue that gay people are making the choice to engage in homosexuality, you can’t provide a valid reason why anyone should have a problem with it. Cue statistics about the spread of STDs, blah blah blah. Predictable.

          • mole_face

             “I was simply pointing out that right wing Christians are often too
            cowardly to come right out and openly express their racist, xenophobia
            worldview”

            I meant to type “xenophobiC”. Feel free to dismiss all my points based on this one error.

          • Anti-Crowley

             I bet there are plenty of non-right wing Christians, as well as right wingers who are not Christians. 

            I would even be as brazen as to claim that there may be Christians along the entire political spectrum and across the murals of ethnicity.  Again, you are speaking in a stereo type, one that is pushed, I might add, by a very deliberate social control entity known as the left wing media.  Just because you have dodged one of them (the right neo-cons) shouldn’t cause you to let your guard down and fall into it’s counter part.

    • DeepCough

       Don’t deny it–you love the persecution.

      • Anti-Crowley

         I have been restraining myself for some time now, but some ignorance just has to be addressed.

        • DeepCough

          Uh-huh, and you think fomenting this “ignorance” with your red herrings is helping the matter any?

          • Anti-Crowley

             Not in the least.

        • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

          Good luck with that.

          http://xkcd.com/386/

        • Adamsshadow

           Yay, you’re back!

          Where’s my cheese sandwich?

        • Calypso_1

          What kind of restraints do you prefer?

    • Anti-Crowley

      Some crazy shit has happened too me in the last 12 hours, I started to dabble in the occult and realized that I’ve been brainwashed by christian stupidity for far too long. I’m gonna start trusting science more, put myself in a perpetual cycle of agnosticsm, open my mind up to the here and now, question what authorites tell me and value the phenomenological aspects of magick. I will also change my name to Pro-crowley I think. I hope I can stick with it. Wish me luck.

      • Anti-Crowley

         It’s called puberty Monkey.  It’ll pass in a few years.

        • Monkey See Monkey Do

          I know, my priest is really depressed about it.

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

            Nice quip but it won’t have the effect you want.

            He considers Catholics heretics, at best.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Protestant priests are the biggest pedo’s of all of em.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Or pastor’s or whatever the cult likes to call its leader.

      • Andrew

         Tsk tsk tsk…  How are we supposed to trust your witness now?

        • Monkey See Monkey Do

          You mean there’s someone watching me?

          • Andrew

            Isn’t taking different names and posing as other commentors a kind of “false witness?”  It causes me to doubt your belief system.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            haha I have a different belief system every day.
            I thought you might find it funny, oh thats right, the laughing problem…

            ps. I’m sure you have many good years ahead of you ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1675778097 Jason Insertlaastnaamehere

    they need to get these guys together with pita

    • Simiantongue

       And a slice of tomato with a lettuce leaf for good measure.

      • Monkey See Monkey Do

        And some vegan cheese :)

  • Maiertallplaya

    well if mass murderers can see the danger in it, its amazing that nobody else does.

  • Redacted

    Charles Manson is a pretty cool guy. He was practically one of the Beach Boys!

    • will

       Yeah, Manson would have fit right in with those guys except for the singing part.

      • Redacted

        Of course he would have. Mainly because he did. They were friends.

      • Calypso_1

        they recorded one of his songs

  • Calypso_1

    A libertarian think-tank engaging in an association fallacy?!  

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    I have to agree with Rooti.

    The eco-fundies have been claiming that denial of Anthropogenic Global Warming is tantamount to Holocaust denial or even complicity in mass murder, for quite some time now.

    My sense of symmetry is relieved to see the other side go full retard.

    • Monkey See Monkey Do

      Lol, That’s exactly what they’ve done, they have gone full retard.

      All its really about is replacing fossil fuels with solar/wind/geothermal/fusion (& wave/tide). And mining & deforestation with intensive recycling & hemp crops. That or most of us die.

      • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

        Well, we’re all going to die.

        There’s no helping that…

        • Monkey See Monkey Do

          Ha. True.
          I was thinking overall as a species. What are we now? 7 Billion. I for one am against the unnecessary expansion of the human population at the expense of all other species. I just hope we can plateau at around 9-10 Billion and prevent a mass near-extinction of the human race and a massive reducton in the bio-diversity of earth.

          Then off to the Moon, Mars and Europa.

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  • Igiveup

    I think the logic is simple, what is tied to global warming asthma etc. cross reference with the big pharma another polluter and voila but see they all LIE and in the end were all end up FKD. I understand why the world is upside down it’s because everyone wanted power and not progress!  I can die happy knowing why the entire world is so FKN stupid :) Harvard, Yale and the rest of you ivy league idiots I wouldn’t let you kiss my at home pedicured feet that includes you Natalie Portman and it’s not because you are Jewish ;)~  The Acropolis is falling apart because of pollution, ok rocket scientist!  

    • Igiveup

      You can see the smog hovering over LA its gross!  London used to be as bad but they put in big tariffs to cut down on traffic that I think helped clean the air too, when I would blow my nose there is would be all black it was gross!

      • Igiveup

        In fact if I was stupid enough to have gone to an Ivy league school I would want my money back! The world is going to end because of your alumni, the stupid kids we don’t invent bad stuff!

        • Igiveup

          Natalie Portman I take that back please don’t hurt me!

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