Logical Fallacies (Video)

A great primer for the emerging auto-didactic class.

“Sorta on the side of evil, if you want to persuade people, mastering fallacies is a very useful skill. If you want to defend against being emotionally manipulated, knowing about fallacies is very useful.” —Dr. Michael Lobossiere

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  • Redacted

    It doesn’t matter.

    Emotional response. Logic means little. I’ve been on here talking about Propaganda for years.

    I promise this is the last time I refer to the Ronulans, but seriously. Ayn Rand? That is your Goddess?

    • charlieprimero

      I find it difficult to believe you have “been on here for years” and don’t enjoy logical fallacies. 

    • Camron Wiltshire

      Sorry I can’t determine who or what you are referring to.  Perhaps the original comment was deleted?  

      • Redacted

        I was referring to you, oh great Sultan of Morons. You should probably learn some reading comprehension dribble dick.

        • Camron Wiltshire

          Right… tell me what exactly does the video above have to do with your perspective on Ron Paul?  So what are you reading these days redacted?  I figure given your attitude you are probably either starved for attention or friendship, here, an olive branch, so what’s good in your world?  

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Damn good video, Camron. I’m a long way past my school daze…but I remember debate and forensic speech classes, and then the inevitable horror of college as I learned advertising, ad psych and mass psych. The cognitive dissonance between understanding logic and logical fallacy and then being expected to master the art of abusing that knowledge…damn near drove me batshit insane. I wonder if schools even bother to teach these anymore? (except in elective debate classes.) 

    • mannyfurious

      Only in philosophy classes. I took two speech/forensic classes at two different colleges and we never once went over fallacies.

    • Camron Wiltshire

      Thank you kindly Vox.  Yes, you said it, “to be expected to master the art of abusing that knowledge…”  I could never manage that myself.  Were you considering a career in advertising then?  

      • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

        A lifetime ago…yes. I was 18, good at forensic speech, debate and English. I wanted to aim for broadcasting…and the advertising classes come with that. It opened pandora’s box so to speak. Once I realized how routinely advertising and even other media exploit every possible avenue to ingratiate themselves with people…I burned out and swore never to work in the field…and to encourage distrust and awareness in others at every opportunity.

        • Camron Wiltshire

          Interesting, are you still involved in media?  Appreciate your conviction and choice to leave that sordid discipline behind.  

          • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

            Not if writing occasionally doesn’t count. For the most part I eschew media and advertising as much as possible, slamming them as insipid, contrived, generally false and ill-intentioned whenever I can. I’ve watched the slow intrusion and encroachment of advertising techniques into every facet of lfie with a sick horror…and watched people’s willingness to embrace that ethos with even greater horror. I’m a hairs breadth from developing a Fight Club-esque combativeness toward it.

            I happily claim credit for being one of the only people to predict (or care enough to make predictions about) the eventual bypassing of volume functions, as well as “mandatory view to continue” in computer advertising almost a decade and a half ago. I modified my setup to allow manual control at arms reach the instant these became common practices a few years ago. Likewise the trend toward customized adverts…long before the technology made the idea plausible. (Biometrics and readable sim cards in phones now make it possible to scan and display ads tailored person by person, and this is being tested in malls now…but my prediction was limited to customization as a whole trend. I never foresaw cellphones as the means to execute these.).

            I’d call it a perverse irony that logic and fallacies have become unknowns for most people as these trends in exploitative advertising and media delivery have expanded…except that I don’t think its a mere ironic coincidence…but rather an institutionally applied deliberate trend from bothy the educational and media worlds (which are now more intertwined that they were in my school days.)

            Probably the worst frustration…realizing that to deliver anti-media media…I’d need to deploy a media presence and make use of similar techniques. Sort of a “The One Ring” dilemma.  “Oh…I could use its power for good…because ‘the precious’ shouldn’t sit there doing nothing…it’ll all turn out fine, because I won’t fall prey to temptation like those other dummies. I’m too special and awesome to make any terrible mistakes” LOL. Thus…I’ll settle for a pass on that notion and just stick to pushing awreness when and where I can without violating my ethics.

          • Camron Wiltshire

            I understand your trepidation to use your awareness of these techniques period.

            An associate of mine is a professional hypnotherapist and he was working to utilize rapport building techniques seen in advertising, public speaking towards building in roads and communicating around the programmed reactions of dismissal, denial and fear when raising concepts common in the unveiling conspiracy culture that is.Could you explain what you mean by “volume functions”, and “mandatory view to continue” perhaps provide examples.  It would be great if there were ways to utilize some of the methods without risking the same alienation and frustration the dark side fosters.  

            Thank you for commenting.  I’m seeing very positive signs that the trivium/quadrivium and awareness of logical fallacies is taking root (even here on disinfo) and it is soon to bloom as it becomes another digestible meme. 

            That is as long as those whose intelligence is matched by their level of integrity and ethics continue to spread the message that is.  On that note to all the disinfonauts in said category.  Much Respect and Gratitude!  

          • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

            I was referring to streaming video, youtube, news sites with embedded video. Its become commonplace to preface any recently clicked video source with advertisements that MUST run first. You Tube allows the “Skip Ad” choice after 5 or ten seconds, but some sites do not. To view the news clip, you must wait for the ads to finish. I tend to drop these sites after awhile, (Yahoo had gotten especially clogged with pre-ads before you could see news clips or video). Others have taken to NOT including volume controls on the streaming advertisements…so the only way to avoid hearing them while they play is to manually reduce the computers settings…

            …or do what I do…reroute the power to the speakers to a separate power strip…with a kill switch…located beside my mouse. Its more a matter of principle…if they ‘up the ante’ by removing ways to avoid advertising…I will respond in kind and innovate ways to control my exposure to advertising.

            Then there are tracker busting programs like Ghostery and others, which play havoc with the inevitable site tracking programs and spambots. (Side note…even Disinfo, which I’m fond of…has a plethora of site tracking adbot related programs gracing its every page.)

          • Camron Wiltshire

            Thank you Vox.

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