Questioning the Conspiracy: The Aurora Shootings

The bodies in Aurora, Colorado weren’t even cold before the inevitable conspiracy theories began to propagate in the bacterial petri dish that is the internet.

While most people are content to let the investigation into the Dark Knight Rises murder spree evolve under the auspices of local and federal law enforcement, there exists a fringe for whom no amount of physical distance from, or baseless conjecture about, a national tragedy is too far to not support unlikely theories of United Nations false-flag attacks and other tinfoil cap speculations.

The current conspiracy du jour is that James Holmes’ attack on a packed audience watching a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises was in actuality an atrocity planned in advance by elements within the federal government and/or the United Nations. Those advocating this claim are pointing to several shaky bits of “evidence” that are in actuality nothing of the sort. This isn’t surprising, though: it costs practically nothing to make baseless accusations under the guise of “just asking questions”, and there’s much to be gained by doing so in terms of attention and notoriety. (Just ask Glenn Beck.)

Let’s take a look at some of the points being raised by those who believe that a government conspiracy was behind the Aurora shootings:

1) Everyone remembers James Holmes as a happy, normal fellow, so he couldn’t have done this unless he was coerced through mind control technology.
Disregarding the mind control/MK ULTRA talk, this is the hoariest cliche in crime reportage: “He was such a good neighbor…such a quiet fellow…you’d never think he’d do such a thing.” In actuality, Holmes’ schoolmates recall him as “strange” and “a little off.” He was in the process of withdrawing from his PhD program in the months before the shootings. There’s also some indication that a profile at Adult Friend Finder may have belonged to him. That’s no crime, of course, but the fact that his profile states “Will you visit me in prison?” might raise an eyebrow or two.

2) There’s no way this guy could have gotten all of those weapons and that tactical gear.
Not a chance. I’m nowhere near wealthy and I own three firearms myself, upon which I’ve spent about $600. I could easily acquire a shotgun and a rifle for maybe a couple thousand more if I look around town. That’s not even including the internet, where apparently Holmes did much of his own shopping. The gas mask? I own one, myself. Fully functional Russian surplus. Bought it for a Halloween costume. It’s also perfectly legal to buy a bullet-proof vest and you can do so at many places online or locally. Same thing with any other protective gear. As for the cost, all I can say is that none of us have access to his financial records, and if I were planning on spending the rest of my life in jail (or dead) then it would probably be pretty easy for me to liquidate my assets to acquire whatever I needed.

3) Someone must have trained him how to use it all!
Not necessary at all. I know how to strap on protective gear, and I bet you could do so, too. Firearm training? Also unnecessary. The audience members were sitting ducks. Many of them thought that Holmes was part of the show – after all, there were plenty of people wearing costumes. They had little reason to be alarmed until the bullets started flying. it takes little skill to shoot indiscriminately into a field full of targets. Pistols are another matter, but there have been many, many accounts of basically unskilled people using pistols to take many lives in other mass murders. The man killed a dozen people out of probably hundreds trapped in an enclosed space. It’s a tragedy, but this isn’t the work of a professional marksman.

4) Someone must have let him in!
Yes, that’s definitely possible: We think that he came in through the emergency exit, from what I understand. Someone might have agreed to do so thinking that he just wanted to sneak into the movie for free, or maybe someone left it open on accident. Perhaps Holmes himself had come in at some point prior and left it open. Or maybe he pried the door open from the other side. Who knows? Any of these seem likely – or at least likelier than a government agent opening the door and shoving Holmes in. All that we know is that he got in somehow.

5) He turned himself in! Who turns himself in?
You’re right: most of these guys off themselves. But not all of them! It does happen. Simply because Holmes didn’t take the extra step of killing himself doesn’t make him the Manchurian Candidate. Maybe he lacked the guts. Certainly, the fact that he left his apartment booby trapped seems to imply that he had originally planned on not coming back alive.

6) He timed his attack perfectly to coincide with the sound of gunshots!
It wouldn’t take an idiot to figure that one out, and if you’ve ever worked at a theater then you’ll know that you can easily hear the noises a movie makes when you’re standing near a door. Plus, it’s an action film about a terrorist villain. You could probably just walk in any time and have a pretty good chance of doing so during a gunfight or explosion.

7) They’re coming to take our guns! This is why they did it!
A major linchpin in the conspiracy theory is that this was done to justify the United States’ signing on to the United Nations Small Arms Resolution. From here, the theory goes, the powers that be will have all of the justification it needs to take America’s weapons away. There are a few problems with this. The first is that the UN Small Arms Resolution concerns the trafficking of conventional firearms between member countries, not the buy, sell or trade of firearms within member countries. The second is that no matter what the UN wants, the United States would still have to develop new legislature and pass it through the same process any other law goes through.

8) The FBI knew! The FBI knew!
There’s a video currently making the rounds that purports to show a FBI warning regarding potential terrorist attacks at movie theaters. The same video claims that the warning was removed from the internet around the same time of the shooting. The video – and thus, the document – has only one source, and it is being propagated through conspiracy circles at the speed of light. Presuming that one trusts the originator of the document that it is legitimate, then this in itself becomes highly problematic. Why would the FBI issue a warning of an attack in the first place if their brothers in arms are planning the same attack? Further, the document is clearly marked as a “Roll Call” release, one of a line of internal documents created by the Department of Homeland Security’s Interagency Threat Assessment and Coordination Group. My point is that they were clearly intended for internal use. If you’re part of a conspiracy, why alert everyone else? The document was never intended for public release, which might also explain why it “disappeared” after being posted. Finally, warnings about terrorist attacks in public places aren’t new. People have been talking about attacks in shopping centers and other public places for years.

9) The feds do this kind of thing all the time!
No, the feds don’t mass murder dozens of civilians all the time. They’ve set up plenty of sting operations with would-be terrorists (often with dummy explosives and that kind of thing), and they’ve even fouled up their share of investigations (“Fast and Furious”) and applied a jackhammer to situations that would require a feather touch (Waco) with horrific results, but coordinating the murder of a the theater full of suburbanites watching a comic book movie? No, that’s not something that typically falls under the purview of the federal government. You simply can’t look at past cases in which you suspect government malfeasance and use them as “proof” of malfeasance in this attack.

I suppose that nearly anything is possible, but which sounds like a more likely possibility: (1) A young man who most people remember as a bit of an oddball snaps and goes on a shooting rampage (something that has happened many, many times before); or (2) International conspirators band together in a coordinated assault on the residents of a Colorado town in a black operation to support the roll-out of  total gun control in America. I know where I stand. Do you?

FBI Warning Video:

Alex Jones on conspiracy theory:

Mike Jones on “False Flag”theory



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  1. “I might try to find my light tonight
    Hide my sight from eyes I try to fight
    My nine eyes of light die by the blight
    Ride white knight unite my plight tonight”

    Elena Siegman – Pareidolia

  2. Polymatrixx | Jul 22, 2012 at 2:00 pm |

    i used to think like you i used to think that alex jones was full of shit but then one day i looked into his claims for myself sadly hes right…. about everything….. i know that me saying this wont convince you but i ask only this do some Research look at the history of our race and think logically about whats happening in our world. Think for yourself dont let someone think for you…..

    • I disagree with literally every word of your mindless, incoherent ramblings. 

    • Anarchy Pony | Jul 22, 2012 at 2:15 pm |

      Except that’s what you’re doing. You’re letting Alex Jones who is a paranoid numbskull think for you.

      • The Baffler | Jul 23, 2012 at 12:52 am |

        Is there some sort of app that just lets me auto like any comment you make?

        • Anarchy Pony | Jul 23, 2012 at 1:20 am |

          I don’t think so. And hey! Don’t let me think for you either. Kids these days…

          • The Baffler | Jul 23, 2012 at 1:22 am |

            So sad. It was a pick up line.

            I don’t usually date Bronies anyway.

          • Anarchy Pony | Jul 23, 2012 at 2:45 am |

            I don’t date at all. I am technically of the hetero persuasion, but I just don’t bother at any rate. 

          • The Baffler | Jul 23, 2012 at 2:56 am |

            Can i lick your asshole anyway?

            I mean, not gay or anything, but I like to suck dick.

    • So if you looked into his claims and found he was right, please tell us what you found? What convinced you that he was right or should we just trust you?

    •  so where did those y2k missiles from Russia hit ? aj is a tool

    • Tuna Ghost | Jul 22, 2012 at 4:45 pm |

      It’s the “think logically” bit that makes me raise one of my perfectly manicured eyebrows.

    • coiled embrace | Jul 22, 2012 at 4:45 pm |

      Learn punctuation and grammar, you fucking moron. 

  3. Here’s one you didn’t cover:   Why WARN cops you booby-trapped your apartment if your professed aim is to get the cops to trigger the traps?

    • Undergroundexperiments | Jul 22, 2012 at 5:52 pm |

      I heard that he only hinted at the fact that there might be explosives at his apartment. He didn’t necessarily tell them it was booby-trapped.

  4. DeepCough | Jul 22, 2012 at 2:07 pm |

    Was he a mental patient? A lot of high-profile shootings have occurred because people were on
    antidepressants and antipsychotics. But I’m willing to accept the simple explanation that the guy
    just plain snapped.

  5. With respect to #4 – Slate reported that he in fact was in there enjoying the movie for a little while with everyone else. At some point he made like he was answering a cell-phone call and headed for the rear exit to ‘take the call’ where he instead propped open the door and began bringing his arsenal in. 

  6. Maybe .. life is just not always “AS SEEN ON TV” and a whole generation of people raised to believe that to be true struggle to live every moment of every day with the painful reality of that fact. An otherwise seemingly intelligent reclusive young man shoots up a theater and you cant imagine why?

    I was watching a live NEWS9 broadcast from Aurora just hours after the shooting and something happened to let me know my sentiments are not only mine. The News Anchor cut to call with the a man claiming to be the Chief of Police but was cut off, the call was resumed moments later and the called said “The shooter was distraught over being rejected from America Idol” and the call was immediately dropped.

    You see, I try to do what Marilyn Manson said we should all do in an interview about The Columbine Shooting because he was right …

    • David Howe | Jul 22, 2012 at 3:55 pm |

       The Manson clip is as profound today as it was when it was filmed.  Those who state the truth (fear and consumption) are demonized, their rights removed and disrespected, and then blamed for the results of the demon engine of the plutocracy.  All by design.

  7. Witness Corbin Dates makes it sound like a guy propped the door open for someone outside, who he was motioning to.  Maybe Holmes just pretended to motion to someone, but it was really just him.

    Another thing this article ignores: using pistols is one thing, but how would an amateur know to make sophisticated bombs & trip-wires for his apartment (which he warned cops about for some reason!)?!

    Also, it’s not just that he didn’t kill himself—it’s that he turned himself in so peacefully, without even any violence towards the cops.  If it’s a lone-nut on an end-mission to grab headlines and lash out at people, why not take out cops with your guns, and NOT warn them about the booby-traps in the apartment?!

    This could VERY WELL be a simple “lone-nut”, but some of these details don’t add up and sound kinda fishy.   ALWAYS question the official story! 

    • I agree with you mostly; If he was looking to be famous, he could enjoy his notoriety without being killed if he DOESN’T have a shoot-out with the police. Same goes with the booby traps.

    • The Anarchist Cookbook, or similar such documents, could be easy enough to procure, and from there figure out how to set a tripwire or even a smoke bomb. In fact, IO9 had an article a while back on how to make your own smoke bombs — not hard to find. (

      One witness said Holmes’ phone went off and he went out through the emergency exit he came in through. He could have easily propped it open when he walked out to get kitted up.

      I don’t remember the Unabomber going all wacko and trying to take the police down with him. Sometimes killers give up peacefully, especially if they’re not in their right mind.

      • Killingjoke36 | Jul 29, 2012 at 1:31 pm |

         1) The anarchist cookbook was recently de-bunked in the 90’s as FBI disinformantion to weed out certain rebellious segments of the USA’s population. Any information it had to make bombs was seriously skewed as to make any would be anarchist blow themselves up. 2) The Unabomber wasn’t trying to target cops, just individuals or institutions. He had principles. If he were not in his right mind, everyone would be a target.

        • 1.) Debunked or not , my point was it’s not hard to find the information needed to make your own bomb (hence the IO9 link).

          2.) The point about the Unabomber was that when he was arrested, he didn’t try to go out in a hail of gunfire, and neither did Holmes. In other words, there are examples of extravagant  killers giving up peacefully. Plenty of people would argue the point of whether he was in his right mind or not — and plenty of crazy people believe their principles are correct.

    • how would an amateur know to make sophisticated bombs & trip-wires for his apartment,,,    Um, he could look it up online. Handbooks from the military, paladin press, and terrorist organizations are readily available as torrents on pirate bay. 

    • indyvoter | Jul 23, 2012 at 3:13 pm |

      you mean someone that was smart enough to enroll and be accepted into in a neuroscience program? my assumption is this guy is not an idiot when it comes to learning.

    • RJohnstonAZ | Jul 23, 2012 at 7:46 pm |

       How would he know how to make ‘Sophisticated’ bombs and trip wires?”  Thats an awfully easy one.  First he was a PhD student, which means he already had a Masters.  Thats a very smart guy. Second, that information is readily available all over the Internet, it only requires the ability to read.  Heck, back in 1939, even when it was not easy to get such info, it was available in the Main Library in Boston, I know, was playing with all kinds of chemicals back then, even making gun powder, my own formula’s for processing Film and Paper, made stink bombs from sulpher and smoke bombs, for fun…… 
      Obsessive readers can find information, that the average person never will, its just easier on the Internet.  You don’t even have to leave home to find it..

  8. The Baffler | Jul 22, 2012 at 3:26 pm |

    It’s hard to make light of this situation, and it shouldn’t be made light of. But it’s hard not to laugh at all the obese gun nuts who are 100% sure that they would have just drawn their big iron and ventilated the asshole once he started shooting.

    All I can wonder is who let all these fat retards own firearms.

    •  Yes, the Monday morning arm-chair quarterbacks have been out in full swing the last couple days.  There were members of the military in the audience, even they did not have the presence of mind to react and take down this guy.

      • The Baffler | Jul 23, 2012 at 2:55 am |

        It’s really sad how out of touch with reality they are. It’s almost as if they think owning a huge gun makes up for having a tiny penis.

        • Tuna Ghost | Jul 23, 2012 at 11:49 pm |

          There’s a quote by Joey Comeau that I really like that runs “Does my gun make me a ‘big man’?  Well…it allows me to function as one, so…yes?”

      • RJohnstonAZ | Jul 23, 2012 at 8:03 pm |

         ITS NOT that they did not have the presence of mind, they did not have a gun. . . ..  Members of the military, even if they own guns, are not in the habit of carrying them to a theater. 

    • isn’t it funny that in the fantasy land of the Anti-gun sheep crowd the ONLY one who can be effective with the firearm is the perp committing the massacre?! the “bad guy” is INVINCIBLE and a responsible citizen exercising their right to carry, could NEVER neutralize the target… no way!… a “gun nut” that shoots thousands of rounds a week, wouldn’t be able to put a bullet through a 24 year old medical student before he had the chance to shoot over 70 people?

      Do you even realize how stupid you sound?  especially when stats back it up.   Citizens use their guns to stop crime THOUSANDS of times per day, (And most of the time they just have to pull it out without resorting to violence!)  but showing a heroic citizen saving somebody’s life and stopping a criminal doesn’t help the corporate agenda to disarm the public so you won’t see it on tv!

      • The Baffler | Jul 23, 2012 at 12:45 am |

        Bitch please. Get out of your own fantasy land.

        I’m an Infantry Veteran. That means this is where you shut the fuck up. I’ve done what you masturbate about at 3 AM. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

      •  Yes, of course you’re right.  That is why, everyday on the streets of the UK, dozens of innocent citizens, denied any right to bear arms, are gunned down. 

        • BrianApocalypse | Jul 23, 2012 at 6:24 am |

           If guns were legal in the UK then you could triple or quadruple that figure.

        • Tuna Ghost | Jul 23, 2012 at 11:48 pm |

          Hold on, that’s not a fair example–gun control would do fuck all for all the people who own their guns illegally, which, in the States, is literally everyone I know who has a gun except my uncle. 

    • mannyfurious | Jul 23, 2012 at 1:15 pm |

      I find it funny that anybody believes someone with a handgun in his pocket and a flood of adrenaline would’ve had any chance against a fully-armored maniac, armed to the gills and hiding behind a cloud of tear gas. Hell, it’s probably a good thing no one in the theater was armed, at best it would’ve been like spitting in the rain, at worst they’d have hurt other innocent people.

      • RJohnstonAZ | Jul 23, 2012 at 8:22 pm |

         A Shooter like that, has hundreds of targets and does not even  have to aim to hit dozens.  Just spray into the crowd, and you cant miss… 

        Combat Vets from WWII, and Korea were taught to use weapons which fired one shot at a time. Walking across a field with pop up targets we had 5 seconds to aim and
        hit the target, before it went down.  Had 24 rounds for 20 targets.  Hit
        all 20, and had 4 rounds left.

        Even today at 84 with an M1, and with open sites, can hit the center of a mans chest at over 600 feet.  (Still have 20/20 vision)  A bit difficult at 1000 but prone can do it.  A piece of cake at 100-300 feet. 

        Battle fields are a hell of a lot more confusing, than a movie theater.  You dont shoot, unless the target is IN your sights,  In combat, never hit a civilian, not even when the enemy was hiding in a group of refugees trying to sneak through our lines.  Today have a Ruger, with a Scope and laser site, could guarantee a head shot… which would have been necessary, due to all the armor he was wearing.  If people never served in combat, they dont have the vaguest idea of what a Soldier can do…

        • mannyfurious | Jul 24, 2012 at 11:13 am |

          And the odds of one of these people being in a theater with a scope and laser site, who is capable of not being completely fucked by the tear is what?

          • RJohnstonAZ | Jul 25, 2012 at 3:41 pm |

             It is evident you have never experience tear gas.  In a big or even medium theater, the gas would only effect the first few rows very quick.  It hits the ground, cant spread much toward the seats as its blocked by the front row or people, so it goes up and toward the stage.  Soldiers are also trained to work in tear gas, even in a very confined room, where we had to wait 60 seconds before putting the mask on we could function.  In a theater, anyone more than 5 – 10 rows back would be able to function very easily.  Mostly kids head for the front rows, except for the adults with them, most would be in a place they could function… Remember, he was only firing for a few minutes, he did the damage in less than 4 minutes.  Thats plenty of time for an armed man to get in one head shot, at that distance its quite easy to do so, he would not be more than 50-100 feet away, quite an easy target.  As he was standing, firing at those close to him, and they were dropping trying to keep out of the way.  He would be exposed. Soldiers function well in an emergency, they have months and years of training to do just that.  Wouldnt really need a scope, just a laser sight on handgun would do the job quite well.

            The problem with gun laws, is that only honest people obey them.
            Even in NYC which has the strictest gun laws in the country, criminal have all the guns they want. If they get caught penalties are high, but, then they have already done the damage. 

      • Calypso_1 | Jul 24, 2012 at 8:32 am |

        There are people well trained for such scenarios.

        • mannyfurious | Jul 24, 2012 at 11:15 am |

          Maybe, but the odds of someone like that being in that particular theater on that particular night is what?

    • RJohnstonAZ | Jul 23, 2012 at 8:01 pm |

       You just dont _think_ a great number of the “gun nuts” are WWII, Korean, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans.  Dont know one of them who being in the theater with a weapon, could not have killed the idiot.  Personally made Expert with almost every weapon the army had in the early 40’s.  Served three tours in combat, with a Unit that was in combat 96% of the time I served in it. 

      Sure, there were some who could not hit the door of an outhouse from 50 feet with a .45.  But, the MAJORITY of Veterans from Army or Marine Units would have killed him. 

      Unfortunately, many do not carry due to local laws.  Gun laws ONLY protect the criminals from civilians who being honest will obey the law.  Criminals are never going to, regardless of how strict or complex Politicians make them….

  9. These rebuttals carry about the same impact as the theories.

  10. Disinfo, you are all fucking idiots. Sheeple.

    • Tuna Ghost | Jul 22, 2012 at 4:46 pm |

      Save us, Neo.  Only you can free us from the Matrix.

      • Investinourftre | Jul 23, 2012 at 1:03 pm |

        A little obvious there Tuna Ghost.  How is your pension Officer?

        • Tuna Ghost | Jul 23, 2012 at 11:45 pm |

          Stingy.  Also, how am I supposed to know what you kids are watching for your “gnostic awakening” fix, back in my day all we had was grant morrison and we LIKED it that way, kids these days, etc. etc. etc. 

  11. if alex jones says it is true then it must be true. rolls eyes

  12. Everything seems to be more complex these days. We will know its the theory is true if they do take americas guns away, until then its just a very sad situation.

  13. Boocs2006 | Jul 22, 2012 at 3:46 pm |

    Seriously now, how does a jobless student afford upwards of $20,000 for guns, ammo, tactical gear AND bomb making materials, and how did he learn to build not just one type, but multiple types of bombs, to where the police described them as ‘extremely sophisticated’?
    Considering the FBI has a history of creating situations and then defusing them as an example of why we must be afraid, I wouldn’t discount this possibility just yet.

    • Calypso_1 | Jul 22, 2012 at 4:30 pm |

      A PhD Neurosciences student having the capacity to build something ‘extremely sophisticated’?!?  Thank god it wasn’t an engineering-physics grad.

      $$$ ? Just sell off a few semesters worth of textbooks.

    • Tuna Ghost | Jul 22, 2012 at 4:44 pm |

      $20,000?  Where are you getting this number?  The firearms he used can be had for not even a quarter of that cost.  Substantially less, in fact, with the gear included.  Gas masks and bullet-proof vests can be had online for fairly cheap.  And as the bombs were homemade, how much do you think he spent on them?  Anyone with a good education and moderate intelligence can build a bomb, guy, even without instructions found on the internet.  Even ones with different detonation mechanisms.  

    • The Baffler | Jul 22, 2012 at 5:08 pm |

      I could build complicated devices too, and I’m hardly a genius. Of course having had on the job training in such things may help.

    • Uglynproud | Jul 22, 2012 at 8:00 pm |

      Credit cards, google.

    • “extremely sophisticated”….listen there was a vrial video a little bit ago that had to do with kids at a schoool stealing potato chips. the cop was qouted on the news saying “these were very hard chips to find.” the cops in aurora probably havent seen too many bombs.

      • you havent seen Aurora lol… its conspiracy, this intelligent young man went out of his way to commit mass murder and had the know how to  create bombs… anyone worth their Tin Foil hat knows where to purchase or obtain a copy of the Anarchists Cookbook or Improvised Arms of the American Underground… seriously guys… its just more BS that people will get on the bandwagon for whatever is  making the rounds as trendy and not

    • Anarchy Pony | Jul 22, 2012 at 10:41 pm |

      How about, oh I dunno, a credit card?

    • Anonymous Coward | Jul 23, 2012 at 10:29 pm |

      Reminds me of Art Bremer being a presidential campaign groupie in a new car, when he made little more than minimum wage at most, James Earl Ray driving a Cadillac after spending much of his life incarcerated, and Mae Brussell’s million dollar question of Charlie Manson’s rise, who paid for his gasoline?

    • He was reported to have received a decent sized grant from the University for his PH.D program.

  14. Boocs2006 | Jul 22, 2012 at 3:46 pm |

    Seriously now, how does a jobless student afford upwards of $20,000 for guns, ammo, tactical gear AND bomb making materials, and how did he learn to build not just one type, but multiple types of bombs, to where the police described them as ‘extremely sophisticated’?
    Considering the FBI has a history of creating situations and then defusing them as an example of why we must be afraid, I wouldn’t discount this possibility just yet.

  15. Yospratson | Jul 22, 2012 at 3:56 pm |

    You’d have to be illiterate to continue to take Alex Jones seriously.

  16. Calypso_1 | Jul 22, 2012 at 4:10 pm |

    “It’s very easy to do this with enough PCP & LSD.” 

    Get with the program Alex.  We use Bath Salts now.  That and satellite based transcranial magnetic stimulation.

    • Your Bath Salts theory is flawed – I see no evidence of face eating here.

      • Calypso_1 | Jul 23, 2012 at 12:55 am |

        No theory was postulated.  If we had wanted face eating, there would have been face eating – whether or not you saw any evidence. 

  17. BrianApocalypse | Jul 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm |

    Thanks for this dose of sanity. Conspiracy theories have become entirely predictable now, they always follow the same formulas. Every major world event these days immediately gets interpreted by conspiracy theorists as something other than the ‘mainstream’ report of it. I think part of the rationale behind this is that conspiricists have formed the view that the mainstream media is 100% controlled and in the service of the Illuminati, and therefore pretty much anything you hear from it MUST be lies. This leads to all kinds of distortions.

    Alex Jones, his ideology and his followers really have become an absolute brain-rotting farce. His ideas do not promote critical thought, they simply replace the bars of one limited perspective with another.

    • True dat.

      Something about the knee-jerk conspiracy reaction reminds me of the god-in-the-gaps or therefore-aliens fallacy. If we don’t have a clear, pat reason for why a tragedy occurs, jumping to the conspiracy — no matter how outlandish — provides something to take up the negative space.

      Of course that adds to our deteriorated state of critical thinking, but it has a secondary consequence — it could conceivably keep people from being able to identify real conspiracies (LIBOR, congressional insider trading), and leave them lacking the skills to even understand them.

    • Investinourftre | Jul 23, 2012 at 1:01 pm |

      Name how many of them have been proven wrong.  You know why there are so many?  Because our Government is in a state of constantly lying and tricking us, what should you expect.

    • I have to comment because your views are so outrageously wrong. It’s the exact opposite of what you think. There are so many conspiracy theories because there are so many conspiracies! Sure there are crazy people with crazy opinions, but you use critical thinking to filter through the BS and corroborate evidence and facts. That’s how you determine if there really is something going on other than what the completely controlled mainstream media regurgitates. You are living in a world where EVERYTHING is used to promote an agenda whether its manufactured or not. If you have an agenda that you want to promote more than ever. Why not manufacture a problem that will allow that agenda to follow through more easily? This is the process the US Government/Ruling Elite uses all the time, just look at 9/11 with Iraq and Afghanistan. 

  18.  Anyone who raises questions about the reports coming out of Aurora is obviously insane, because government and the press never lie.

    • RJohnstonAZ | Jul 23, 2012 at 7:39 pm |

       Sarcasm, we know they lie, the media is not in business to tell the truth, but to make a profit.  Controversy sells advertising, because it generates more hits.  Especially in Internet blogs, media, etc. Some of the sites are bring in over $60,000 PER DAY last I checked and that was a few years ago.  Believe about 10-15% of what is in the press, and youll have it about right.

    • BrianApocalypse | Jul 24, 2012 at 2:55 pm |

      There is of course a vast difference between genuine questioning of the government/media and free-form reality-distortion to fit a worldview.

  19. Mostrodamus | Jul 22, 2012 at 4:27 pm |

     Cui Bono? Who benefits? This is another 9/11. It serves the purpose of dividing and conquering us just as we the people were starting to rise up and come together to confront the power elite. A person who can see the seriousness of the crisis the world is facing and hears Alex Jones explain what the cause is, but who gets turned off by his intensity or whatever, but fails to research his claims, makes the case for one of the many vital points Alex makes, which is that we have been dumbed-down so effectively, that it’s just like the NIN song title says – Happiness In Slavery.
    Of course everything on Infowars is correct. Why do you think it’s it’s called Prison Planet? Because you skeptics are too blind to even realize you have been had. The loss of our freedoms is not coming in the future. Like Chris Hedges says – There was a corporate coup d’etat in slow motion. It already happened. No middle class person owns anything. The monetary system is about to be reconfigured. No one has any power. You don’t make your electricity or grow your own food. We are all complicit in having been asleep at the wheel while the New World Order was put in place. These latest events, like the NDAA, etc, are the mopping up phase.
    But the masses are to preoccupied to notice yet that they are living on fumes (drugs, medication, credit, welfare), better known as borrowed time, and that the American Dream has been murdered by the most sinister, diabolical, satanic, egomaniacs known to the human race, international bankers. I used to think this stuff was crazy, too. Until I woke up.

    • I liekd the bit where you acted like a satire of Alex Jones fans. Good trolling. 

    • Tuna Ghost | Jul 22, 2012 at 4:52 pm |

      Cui Bono? Who benefits? This is another 9/11. It serves the purpose of dividing and conquering us just as we the people were starting to rise up and come together to confront the power elite.

      What, seriously?  When did you see this happening?  Where you really picturing some sort of Arab Spring in the States?  The Occupy Movement was as close as it ever got, and it accomplished…well, nothing substantial really.  

      And the American Dream was never real, buddy.  Everything America has or had was built on the backs of slaves and over the graves of the indigenous population or with gross injustices committed at home and abroad.  

      • sam23sirius | Jul 25, 2012 at 8:47 am |

        Move to a communist country. By the way, all of this Arab Spring nonsense was an operation. Seriously, the bolshevik propaganda being regurgitated by leftists is sickening. 

        • Tuna Ghost | Jul 25, 2012 at 11:31 pm |

          You’ve answered none of the questions I asked.  I find that very telling.

          • sam23sirius | Jul 26, 2012 at 10:53 am |

            If you really want to know who benefits, it is the same people who benefited from the trans atlantic slave trade, the same people who push multiculturalism. The bloshevik jews.

          • Tuna Ghost | Aug 5, 2012 at 3:57 pm |

            That still doesn’t answer any of my questions.  They may seem rhetorical, but they are sincere.

          • sam23sirius | Aug 5, 2012 at 9:14 pm |

            Western civilization is built on the backs of slavery and exploiting native people. That is a bit of a cop out. Actually, all civilization is built on slavery and exploitation. That is a weak argument. As for the fake truther nonsense or the bolshevik occupy shite, that is controlled opposition. One only needs to look to folks like Alex Jones for the truthers, or Ahmed Maher for the maoist trendies. Seriously, truthers are like the new hippies. Like one baby step above college educated idiots in che shirts.

          • Mostradamus | Aug 15, 2012 at 9:13 pm |

             Are you saying that 9/11 was not a staged event? Because if you agree that the whole world is crazy, what are you arguing with here?

          • sam23sirius | Jul 26, 2012 at 10:53 am |

            If you really want to know who benefits, it is the same people who benefited from the trans atlantic slave trade, the same people who push multiculturalism. The bloshevik jews.

    • The Baffler | Jul 22, 2012 at 5:17 pm |

      How do we know Alex Jones isn’t behind 9/11? How many books has he sold since then?

  20. Maybe he’s just a bored trust fund baby trying to reclaim his masculinity, on his daddy’s dime, after an amped up weekend at Bronycon /)*(. Who else could afford a PhD.?  He’ll make a fine president someday.

  21. Tchoutoye | Jul 22, 2012 at 7:10 pm |

    “tinfoil cap” and “tinfoil hat” are such loaded and overused slurs, I was hoping this site could rise above using them, whether you take certain conspiracy theories seriously or not.

  22. Disinfo is exactly that. Disinformation. It’s for bed wetters.

    • I have not wet the bed for years.

    • Phil E. Drifter | Jul 23, 2012 at 11:12 pm |

       DISINFO is exactly what Alex Jones is sellin’ on this site, fellas. Conspiracy’s not even the right word but he’s stupid and confuses with it. There was no fucking conspiracy at this point, Alex, he acted alone. WHY he acted that way might INDUCE people to think there MAY have been a conspiracy because how can a broke grad student afford 4 weapons and 5000 rounds of live ammunition and i’m not gonna waste any more time on this stupid fucking site because he’s pushing the fucking disinfo he claims to be fighting TO ANYONE WHO WILL BUY IT.

      • Phil E. Drifter | Jul 23, 2012 at 11:13 pm |

         I personally am betting on prescription anti-depressants. one of the Columbine pair was using them, Cho at VTech was using them, Jared Loughner was using them.

        Wake the fuck up, stop reading Alex Jones he’s a scam artist.

  23. ‘Ezekiel 25:17’ for this lost species!

  24. not saying i support the conspiracy theory, but as a blog with normally an objective and exploratory stance on fringe ideas, disinfo has failed this time around.

    •  objective and exploratory does not mean you need to subscribe to any old bullshit that someone can think up. The piece clearly sets out the main points of the conspiracy and then explains why they are unlikely to be true (jn the opinion of the writer). This makes it a disinfo win imo.

  25. I love how this article totally ignores the MULTIPLE eye witness reports all of which lead credence to an accomplice.  Also, by law, emergency exits only open OUT.  It’s impossible to “kick it in” so it HAD to be left open (as the witness claims it was)… im sure the door also said “emergency exit ALARM will sound.” … no alarm.  The other brilliant  trick in this article is pretending the UN Small Arms Treaty means nothing to the USA and it’s citizens.   The UN Small Arms Treaty is dangerous enough that over 75 senators drafted a letter to Obama saying they will NOT vote for it and he should NOT sign it.  (he already tried and FAILED in 2009, now after some “changes” to it and the public support from a “massacre” he will try again.) In any case, it’s a breach of US sovereignty and the constitution.  And the fact that Obama will be signing it July 27th literally 7 days after this massacre is definitely suspicious!

    Also… this dude was an UNEMPLOYED college student working at the university just to be able to go to school.  He collected unemployment… yet he had the money (and time to train himself.) to obtain An AR15 a 100 round drum mag, 12 guage shot gun, 2 glock pistols, 6000 rounds of amo, bullet proof vest, balistic helmet, gas mask, bullet proof leg guards, throat protector, groin protector, TEAR GAS, various chemicals, wires, circuit boards to create 30 IED’s (improvised exlosives devices) in his 800sq ft apartment so “sophisiticated” they needed to bring in bomb techs from Virginia!

    So contrary to this article, there are a lot of FACTS to this case that are suspicious…

    I’ll leave you with this… the #1 questions investigators ask when solving a crime is “who benefits from this?”…. James Holmes did not benefit.    The Obama administration DEFINITELY benefited.   If James Holmes thought he was the “joker” and looking for maximum kill count, the last thing he would do is warn the cops about the explosives in his house.    

    • BrianApocalypse | Jul 23, 2012 at 6:40 am |

       The article already addressed most of the things you said. Just because he was unemployed it does not follow that he had no money. There are all kinds of ways to get money, and if you’re not concerned with paying it back then it’s even easier (maxing out credit cards for example). As already explained, the equipment he obtained is available to the public. Why do you find it so astonishing that he was able to obtain things such as ‘throat protectors’ and gas masks? Most of this stuff can be purchased cheaper than you might imagine.

      As for eyewitness accounts, they are notoriously unreliable in events of great stress and panic. People report all kinds of conflicting details.

      And the old “que bono?” trick just doesn’t hold any water. Exploiting a situation for one’s own benefit does not automatically mean you are the culprit. And you assume that Holmes WAS looking for maximum kill count. That isn’t clear at all. Maybe he was looking for notoriety. Or maybe we can’t truly understand the motivations of someone insane enough to do something like this?

      • Ok.. first of all.  The two separate eye witness accounts occurred BEFORE THE SHOOTING AND PANIC!  and both different people said the EXACT same thing.  They were sitting front row, during previews they saw James get a phone call, instead of going to the lobby, he went to the emergency exit door, looked outside, motioned to somebody, then left the door propped open and sat down.  15 minutes later the gunman walked through the door and started shooting!   So ya, those witness testimonies are A LOT more reliable than the police who just showed up and say “he acted alone, now stop asking questions!”   So there goes your theory of “panic witness unreliable.”

        second….  For an unemployed dude, living in a rat hole, who spends most of his time working at the school he attends, it’s implausible for him to buy thousands of dollars of equipment, but not impossible, i agree… (except for the tear gas, bec civilians can’t buy that!)  BUT where does he find the TIME and TRAINING to be so effective with these weapons AND learn to make 30 different sophisticated explosives. (he only left school in June!)

        As for the “que bono” argument… the GOVERNMENT had a MUCH LARGER motive than James Holmes!  The fact that Holmes also went out of his way to ENSURE that no law enforcement were harmed (gave him self up without firing a shot AND Warned them of the explosives!) lends credence to the idea that he was a hired agent.   Ignoring or overlooking motive in a murder case is the single biggest mistake anybody can make.  Nobody murders for NO reason.  And if you’re just “snapped” you’re not gonna be concerned about the lives of law enforcement who are coming to put you behind bars for the rest of your life, regardless of what you do to them at this point!

        So ya, the “que bono” thing defnitely MATTERS when you look at the TIMING of the incident coinciding with the extremely unpopular UN Small Arms Treaty.

        When there’s more than one “coincidence” surrounding a situation… it’s no longer a coincidence… it was a plan.

        finally… the whole FBI memo warning about a theater being attack by a gunman?  That’s a very specific warning, and it’s not “everyday” the FBI makes specific attack warnings giving a location and a the means the perp will use!   So the article trying to downplay FBI warning from just two months ago although circumstantial, holds some weight when you take into account EVERYTHING else.

        bottom line.  Is there 100% proof this was a false flag caused by the government?  Hell no.   There’s definitely not as much evidence as say “911” or the “gulf of tonkin incident”…. but KNOWING what the government is capable of thanks to passed atrocities, you CAN say that it’s POSSIBLE the government had their hand in this, and more likely than it is James Holmes just “snapped” and decided to go on a civilian ONLY killing spree at a perfect time to benefit the government’s agenda.

        • BrianApocalypse | Jul 23, 2012 at 4:04 pm |

          The timing of the eyewitness reports doesn’t necessarily mean they are accurate (traumatic events can distort memory), but let’s assume they are accurate. It was reported that he went to the emergency exit, propped it open and then returned after going to his car (which was parked outside the exit) to get his gear. Other reports claim he kicked the emergency exit door open when he returned (so already you have conflicting accounts). I don’t see what is so implausible about this, clearly this was his plan all along.

          Again, getting hold of this equipment is NOT implausible at all. Police have claimed they now have security camera footage, taken over several months, of him picking up many orders of equipment he bought online. Alex Jones was quoting figures of $20,000, but other reports are saying closer to $9,000. If someone is truly obsessed enough to do something like this, they will find the time. He is clearly pretty intelligent, so why couldn’t he train himself with publicly available information on how to make explosives? With the right inclination, anyone could do it.

          The UN small arms treaty seems to be about curtailing the international trade of small arms, particularly with regard to areas where conflict and war are rampant. It doesn’t affect the legal sales of guns within the US (and bear in mind that all of Holmes’ weapons were bought legally). US law would over-ride a UN treaty as far as internal sales of guns goes. Alex Jones has been ranting about the government coming to take American’s guns away for well over a decade now, and every time he gave the impression that it was imminent. This particular paranoia is linked with the popular conspiricist view that the UN is the Antichrist.

          There are of course many conceivable reasons why he gave up to police, without resorting to the explanation that he was a hired agent serving a government agenda. Maybe he simply didn’t want to die? A shootout with police would have made that a certainty. Again, exploitation of an event does not equal guilt for the event. This is a particular bit of “conspiracy logic” which is used over and over again in an attempt to ‘prove’ conspiracy theories without hard evidence.

          As for the FBI warning, actually along with Homeland Security they DO make these kinds of alerts pretty regularly (not that it was a warning indented for the public anyway).

    • RJohnstonAZ | Jul 25, 2012 at 3:53 pm |

       No, he did not “kick” the door in, he earlier, stuck a knife in the doorjam to keep it from closing, went out suited up in armor, got the guns, and came back in…  In such a situation there is so much news, most never see all of it.  As Im retired, could sit up all night and most off the next day watching half a dozen news channels on Cable.  

  26. violence towards & killing the killing of innocent victims
    has been an American tradition since the Pilgrims landed

    but the violence is usually directed towards people of color & fernerz
    so when some white people die at Cineplex
    it has to be a conspiracy


    • Tuna Ghost | Jul 24, 2012 at 12:13 am |

      I can’t remember if you’re one of the posters I usually agree with one that I think is functionally retarded (I been gone a while), but yes. This. This is a good point to make. White people arent supposed to be victims of this kind of violence, right? Only if Tha Gummit MADE it happen.

  27. Anusmonkey | Jul 22, 2012 at 9:58 pm |

    I support the conspiracy theory. Go to abovetopsecret, and there is a person who predicted the bloodshed related to the new Batman movie on JULY 10th. If that’s not a conspiracy, then I don’t know what is.

  28. Darklord Messiah | Jul 22, 2012 at 10:20 pm |

    To find the truth one has to go no deeper than to look at your own inner feelings. How does this make you feel? Understand how you feel and why you feel this way. Then the truth will follow.

  29. Skepticism and keeping possibilities open is a good thing.  I appreciate hearing an argument saying it isn’t  a conspiracy just as much as hearing it is, but who really knows.  12 innocent people are dead, this man’s life is also ruined, other people are injured physically and psychologically.  I could read all the news and never know enough about why it really happened.   I’m not even sure James is completely certain about why it happened.  All that seems apparent is this is stress induced, most likely from failing out of school.  The kid was bullied in school, but always did well academically.  So when his one great achievement in life fails him, he panics and does something immoral and illegal.  

  30. Mrodent33 | Jul 23, 2012 at 2:59 am |

    even if we choose to regard the US Constitution as some sort of tablet of stone, it says “a *** well-regulated *** militia… ” – so how come all you poorly educated Americans have this bonkers thing about guns anyway?

    • “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”  Period.

    • RJohnstonAZ | Jul 23, 2012 at 8:38 pm |

      Read History, “A well-regulated militia” when the Constitution was written, were a group of Volunteers, Civilians who came to the Revolution with their Hunting Rifles and their own ammo. Some of the wealthier civilians had the money to own Cannon, so they became officers, etc but during the Revolution, the civilians owned all the weapons. 

      Then, in other wars in this country in the early days, they brought their own weapons.  This is not unusual, there are countries in Europe, where after serving in the Military, they are released from service and bring their own weapon home, so if ever invaded again, they have a much large “army” to protect the country than they did when Hitler invaded……

      You assume too much when you say “poorly educated” many of us with guns, have Master and PhD degrees. One of the advantages of serving in the Military, is the education you can get, even while in the Military.

  31. lilbear68 | Jul 23, 2012 at 10:38 am |

    check his guns to see if he got them thru ‘fast and furious’ its not unheard of that the govt is arming ppl or groups the US gave weapons to the taliban to fight russia, gave weapons to the iran/contra affair and sold dope to finance it. lets not forget ‘fast and furious’ its not a stretch to think that the govt will do what ever it needs to achieve its own agenda. and the govts agenda is not in the ppls interests.
    like all programs from the govt or the UN they all start out small and innocent but somehow grow uncontrolably. the history of social security is a good example.
    and so far many of the lamestream media conspiracy theories denied have turned out to be true

  32. Anonymous | Jul 23, 2012 at 12:45 pm |

    Yes, of course, obviously question conspiracy theories. But more importantly, question the official story, don’t deride those who do so, but question them and OPEN UP DIALOGUE. You can’t create an equitable exchange of ideas if your basic premise is “anyone who with a different perspective than mine is an idiot, an infantile ugly stupid idiot, waawaa waa”

    Even where the state and it’s corporate/church powered allies aren’t directly behind incidents like this, keep in mind that they, indisputably, engineer the environment that fosters such occurrences. So yes, we do have to ask the important question of “who benefits?”

    I come from a country where we do not have the right to arm ourselves, and the state has an absolute monopoly on force. Goddamit people are so terrified of eachother they can rarely make eye contact without apologising.

    You may also notice that they’re using the story to stir up fear about the usual targets; comic books, video games, and rock music.

    Remember that Imposition of order ALWAYS equals Escalation of chaos.

    • Polymatrixx | Jul 23, 2012 at 5:57 pm |

      i could not agree with you more, the most important thing is to OPEN UP DIALOGUE its good to have people who dont agree!!!

  33. Scatman_crothers | Jul 23, 2012 at 2:02 pm |

    If anyone in the USA has learned Anything it’s that you can’t trust mainstream media or the government. Alex jones is certainly not the most reliable source for info… But at least he’s standing up and questioning things. It’s very ironic that a site called disinfo would be so critical of conspiracies… Especially considering that the USA is so chock full of them… I don’t even want to listen to Alex jones ranting… But I sure as hell don’t trust the corporate media…
    Question everything… Otherwise you might end up with a nasty surprise one day…

    • RJohnstonAZ | Jul 23, 2012 at 7:36 pm |

       Not surprising they would be critical of conspiracies, Disinformation, does not mean they promote it.  But like others of similar titles, debunking Disinformation or Misinformation…

  34. Mike Jones looks a lot like Alex Jones.

  35. No, the feds don’t mass murder dozens of civilians all the time.”

    Yeah, tell that to the Afghani’s!…

  36. atlascott | Jul 23, 2012 at 5:17 pm |

    Just go ahead and read this in a vacuum, rather than reading it in the context of F&F and MKUltra and the various FBI terrorist setups.  This is how they creep up and divest you of your rights, and pooh-pooh those who peek behind the curtain and see…

  37. I find the tone of this article fairly ironic.

  38. Where did a poor college kid get 60,000 dollars worth of gear??? first reports said a women saw him on the the phone and was getting directions on where to go outside the theater…have heard nothing about this since….I’m not saying anything but there are a lot of un-answered questions here….

    • RJohnstonAZ | Jul 23, 2012 at 8:30 pm |

       WHERE do you get the figure 60,000 worth of gear?  That is the first sign you are mistaken.  With a credit card and less than a couple thousand, you can get all he had online used. It appears he did not think he would live through it (His booby trapped room, means he would have nowhere to sleep) … So he could as a college student, get any number of cards with a $5000 or even a $10K limit… they pass them out like candy in colleges.

    • Tuna Ghost | Jul 23, 2012 at 11:52 pm |

      Sixty grand???  Jesus, the equipment he had would cost a fraction of that.  Where on earth are you people getting these numbers, are you really incapable of figuring out how much a few guns, homemade bomb materials, and lots of ammunition cost?  

  39. Governments around the world have murdered over 90 million of their own, respectively, in every way from false-flag to out-right genocide, over the last 100 years. We must always ask questions.

  40. Since when is entertaining a conspiracy theory such a big deal? Why not let people’s imagination run wild a bit, we’ll never know what really went on in the shooters messed up mind, come on chill out a bit. The damage is done, lives destroyed, a total shame and a tragedy as it is.
    The author seems to be vainly trying to show off his skills of ultimate discernment sounding like a pompous, patronizing fool who has been ridiculed before and can’t take it anymore. 
    “Time to be a (pseudo)intellectual” or “self-help for a broken ego”, haha

    • “The irony is amazing, just amazing,” – Rocky Vista Dean Dr. Bruce Dubin.

  41. RJohnstonAZ | Jul 23, 2012 at 8:25 pm |

     Yep, ridiculed before, you are mistaken about not being able to “take it” He WROTE the article, knowing full well what many responses would be.  Thats more evidence that he can take it, than you have that he can not.  Time to THINK, before putting fingers in gear.

  42. Phil E. Drifter | Jul 23, 2012 at 10:55 pm |

    ‘conspiracy’ theory is wrong from the start, you stupid fucking mouthbreather.

    nobody’s conspiring with a few friends to FUCKING DO SOMETHING about what happened, you fuckstick.

    Now go back and fucking re-edit your ‘tim mcveigh received explosives training AFTER leaving military’ with video of some douche who looked nothing like McVeigh…way to mislead the country and PRESENT DISINFO… OH SEE WHAT I DID THERE?

  43. Lol the Feds don’t mass murder civis all the time? Ever hear of 9-11?

  44. Somebody let a guy in full SWAT gear in because they felt sorry for him? Would you let a guy dressed like that in?

  45. Gamespider10567 | Jul 24, 2012 at 8:00 pm |

    He made a phone call before the attack. Who did he call?

  46. All I know is that if everyone owned a gun (And knew how to use it) this shit would have never happened. 

    I’m not one to believe in conspiracy theories but if they are going around telling people to ban guns or that we need more gun control because of this. Then I’m very suspicious because it’s counter intuitive to logic.  Criminals don’t follow laws so gun control will only help the criminals, which means they want to hurt the citizens, which would be motive to carry out something like this tragedy. I don’t put anything past our corrupt government anymore. 

  47. How come there is no mention of the report that the father of (suspect) James Holmes Is suppose to testify in a large banking scandal. The suspect is an adult but authorities supposedly flew his dad in from San Diego quickly. Why?

  48. Although your post is several months old, I hope you are now seeing that the official story doesn’t fit together in any logical fashion. You mention none of the valid questions that have arisen from this incident. For instance, the theater is in a part of town that’s prone to criminal activity and the theater itself has had a high rate of crime connected to it. Because of this, the theater “always” has security personnel, but on July 19/20, not one security officer was on site. This was one of the biggest nights the theater had witnessed, having to open 3 additional auditoriums, each holding packed audiences totaling nearly 1,000 patrons. Who had the authority to give security officers the night off, and what valid reason could there possibly be for doing so? That’s only one question, but there are many more with as much, if not more legitimacy. The people asking these questions aren’t just delusional morons, there are attorneys, seasoned investigators, as well as police, active and retired, and Forensic Psychologists who’s past experience tells them there is something majorly wrong with the official story that’s been sold to the public.

  49. Brent Lewis | Aug 16, 2013 at 4:17 pm |

    “Illuminati’s” is one of my favorite Italian restaurants. And for the bestest hamburgers in the world, “Build-a-Burger” not only has the best burgers, the homemade onion rings are the best.

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