Run, Hide, Fight: Homeland Security’s Massacre Survival PSA Film

By on July 31, 2012 in News 181

It’s surreal that we live in a world in which this needs to exist. Three days after the shooting in Aurora, the City of Houston released this Department of Homeland Security-funded instructional video on surviving mass shootings at work. Watch on repeat so that you can begin drilling the “Run. Hide. Fight” mantra into your brain:

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  • http://twitter.com/jasonpaulhayes jasonpaulhayes

    Shooters wear all black so they can be identified?

    In Texas a lot of people will take the “Fight Back” part to mean you need to shoot back. Anyone with a weapon drawn becomes a target to the team that comes in to take down the shooter, anyone that’s armed will be indistinguishable from the shooter themselves… especially if they wear all black.

  • The Baffler

    Luckily I have my custom made Blastmaster 5000 death ray tucked into my 5XL sweat pants, and my nephew who was in the National Guard for 3 weeks showed me how to use it! It even fires on full auto just in case the bad guy hides in a crowd.

    Second Amendment solutions!

  • Aungsan

    They could just ban guns, oh right, I forgot, people in the US fight for their right to massacre each other.

    • The Baffler

      Darn tootin’! It’s the commie pinkos that want to ban these guns! BUT THESE COLORS DON’T RUN!

      My precious bodily fluids are my own!

    • guns are bad m’kay?

       I lol’d. That has to be one of the stupidest comments I’ve ever read. Normally I would argue but I’m sure that with you I’d only be wasting my time.

      • Aungsan

        Get a real job troll, one that doesn’t involve to justify bloodshed.

        • Ohthosemuslims

          Your an ignorant idiot. Some of the most violent places I have been were “gun control” countries where only the criminals had guns.

        • Ohthosemuslims

          Your an ignorant idiot. Some of the most violent places I have been were “gun control” countries where only the criminals had guns.

          • Aungsan

            Well, Iraq doesn’t count.

          • Mike

            ZIIIIIIING Good one, I gotta own it

    • sam23sirius

      There are countless examples of how an armed citizen has stopped a violent attack. Banning guns is one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard. If you don’t want a gun, don’t buy one. I am tired of ill informed leftist tools trying to run my life.

      • Aungsan

        A violent attack that might have not existed in the first place with a ban on weapons, you know, those tools made exclusively to kill and that are accepted in your society as if they were candy. 

        When you uproot a tree, you don’t do it by the branches, you look for the root; instead of trying to punish the act, after it happens, you need to prevent it from happening, by attacking the factors that create it, in violent acts the root causes are social and cultural behaviors, is basic logic that even a moron like you can understand.

        • sam23sirius

          Leftist psycho babble, not logic there my undoubtedly naive leftist friend. Just this week in Utah a man bought a set of knives then started stabbing people with them, he was stopped by an armed citizen. Should we ban cutlery? Tool…

          • Aungsan

            You think the guy at Aurora could have done the same with a fucking knife? really?

            Why don’t you better ask yourself, why are there so many loonies in the US that go around killing people? even Breivik, being from Norway, spent most of his time reading Pamella Geller and other bigoted and racists authors from the US. The problem is your culture that is toxic and glorifies hate for the other and murder.

          • sam23sirius

            And banning guns changes human nature how? Where are you from by the way?

          • Aungsan

            Is a step into acquiring the reasoning that guns are not the solution to anything, specifically, that putting guns in the hands of random people is a bad idea, things like Aurora, Columbine or Virginia Tech, might just, I would say, are bound to happen.

          • sam23sirius

            Ever hear of the mass shooting at Appalachian State? Oh yeah some students with concealed carry permits shot the madman before his spree got started…

          • Jin The Ninja

             it’s so deeply ironic that you point to mass shootings as a reason why people should carry arms.

          • sam23sirius

            How is it ironic? Weapons in the hands of more law abiding citizens is the answer. Not cowering behind a state that could care less about you.

          • Jin The Ninja

             again, it’s not really a statist vs anti statist argument, it’s an ethical argument, one that celebrates violence and the other that decries it.

          • sam23sirius

            The moment you call for the state to curtail my freedom, it becomes a statist vs anti-statist argument. Sheesh, left wingers are clueless.

          • Aungsan

            Your freedom is the freedom for others to have the best tools to murder many people before being stopped in any way. Go for it, moron, enjoy it all you can.

          • sam23sirius

            Yeah lil bolshevik tools like you can’t wait to strip it from me huh? The tyranny of the trendy trivium truthers… lmmfao!

          • Aungsan

            You know, outside of the US, all you say sounds so ridiculous, people from other countries read comments like yours on the internet, and we just laugh.

          • sam23sirius

            I could care less, I am an American.

          • Aungsan

            I’m an American also and I laugh at you, morons like you are priceless, cannot be found anywhere else.

          • sam23sirius

            You are a Bolshevik, you need to move to Europe and allow the rest of us to try to get our country back.

          • sam23sirius
          • Aungsan

            You are running out of lines troll, you need something better or I’ll get bored, you do know that Trotsky wasn’t even Bolshevik but Menchevik? me, none of those.

          • sam23sirius

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_People's_Commissars 
            The first council elected by the Second All-Russian Congress of Soviets was composed as follows:
            People’s CommissarOriginal incumbentDeathChairmanVladimir LeninNatural causes 1924SecretaryNikolai GorbunovExecuted 1938People’s Commissariat for Agriculture of the RSFSRVladimir MilyutinExecuted 1937People’s Commissariat for Military Affairs of the RSFSRVladimir Antonov-OvseyenkoNikolai KrylenkoExecuted 1939Executed 1938People’s Commissariat for Naval Affairs of the RSFSRPavel DybenkoExecuted 1938People’s Commissariat for Trade and Industry of the RSFSRViktor NoginNatural causes 1924People’s Commissariat for Education of the RSFSRAnatoly LunacharskyNatural causes 1933People’s Commissariat for FoodIvan TeodorovichExecuted 1937People’s Commissariat for Foreign Affairs of the RSFSRLeon TrotskyAssassinated 1940People’s Commissariat for Interior Affairs of the RSFSRAlexei RykovExecuted 1938People’s Commissariat for Justice of the RSFSRGeorgy OppokovExecuted 1937People’s Commissariat for Labour of the RSFSRAlexander ShlyapnikovExecuted 1937People’s Commissariat of NationalitiesJoseph StalinNatural causes 1953People’s Commissariat for Posts and Telegraphs of the RSFSRNikolai Glebov-AvilovExecuted 1937People’s Commissariat for Railways of the RSFSR(vacant)People’s Commissariat for FinanceIvan Skvortsov-StepanovNatural causes 1928People’s Commissariat for Social WelfareAlexandra KollontaiNatural causes 1952

          • sam23sirius

            Like stealing candy from babies….

          • Aungsan

            Shortly thereafter, pro-Iskra delegates split into two factions.[12] Lenin and his supporters, the Bolsheviks, argued for a smaller but highly organized party while Martov and his supporters, the Mensheviks, argued for a larger and less disciplined party.[12] In a surprise development, Trotsky and most of the Iskra editors supported Martov and the Mensheviks while Plekhanov supported Lenin and the Bolsheviks. During 1903 and 1904, many members changed sides in the factions. Plekhanov soon parted ways with the Bolsheviks. Trotsky left the Mensheviks in September 1904 over their insistence on an alliance with Russian liberals and their opposition to a reconciliation with Lenin and the Bolsheviks. From then until 1917 he described himself as a “non-factional social democrat”.

            Trosky only merged with the Bolshevik when the whole Menshevik movement was absorbed by the Bolshevik in the second revolution in 1917.

            Keep on lying, is all you got.

          • sam23sirius

            Does that change the Trotsky quote? Is that not what America is looking like? Are you one of those Trotsky wasn’t like the rest ill informed tools??? Again read this book 
            http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/Under_the_Sign_of_the_Scorpion_by_Juri_Lina.pdf

            Then try to educate me about what really happened in Russia, not bs history class propaganda…tool

          • Aungsan

            No thanks, I don’t want to be as misinformed as you are, but thanks for trying.

          • sam23sirius

            LMAO! 

          • sam23sirius

            “Nobody knows that Zionism
            appeared as a Marxist movement,
            a socialist one… Zionism is actually a revolution.”
            Sergei Lezov, scientist at the Soviet Academy of Science,
            Institute for Scientific Information.
            Strana i Mir magazine (Munich), No. 3, 1988, p. 94.
            “The ideals of Bolshevis may many points are consonant withthe finest ideals of Judaism.”Jewish Chronicle, 4th April 1919 (London)

          • Aungsan

            I argue with zionists almost everyday, I would like to invite you to tell you that they are marxists, see what they tell you, lol, you are creepier than I thought.

          • sam23sirius

            Look at what Marx, Hess , and Trotsky said in their own words. Most so called zionists are confused tools such as yourself.

          • sam23sirius

            By the way, what term of endearment did Marx use for his Mentor Moses Hess?

          • Aungsan

            Ok, dude, I’m already bored, you are WAY too weird for me to have fun anymore.

          • Jin The Ninja

            no. no. no. it’s about respecting the sovereignty of other countries by creating  an open dialogue that engages the gun culture prevalent in the US. nothing about the state.

          • sam23sirius

            LMAO!

          • Jin The Ninja

            i guess the sovereignty of other countries is fine to dismiss when it impedes on the right of americans to carry guns en masse, meanwhile while perpetuating the greatest imperialist campaign right of great britain. got it.

          • sam23sirius

            Yes it is Jim, and America was never supposed to be an empire, the only reason we are now is because leftist bolshevik jewish supremacists turned it into the muscle for Israel. Try fighting the enemy, unless you are….

          • Jin The Ninja

            i am as pro-palestinian as anyone else who is deeply critical of colonialism, empires and race-based rule.

            name one ‘leftist-jewish-bolshevik’ in politics, in america at this very instant.

            oh and i forgot to mention, EVERY and all anti imperial/anti colonial movements were (and are) enmeshed with radical socialist politics.

            and it’s “JIN” with an “N”

          • sam23sirius

            The Palestinian Solidarity movement is a marxist front.

          • Jin The Ninja

            can you please copy/paste the exact text where i stated the state should in any way intervene in gun rights?

          • sam23sirius

            Your entire argument has been against gun rights… Next stop is saying appeals to fact and evidence are racist… be gone tool

          • Jin The Ninja

            it’s actually not been about gun rights at all. it’s been about the culture of violence and culture of guns in america. it’s about how sovereign nations are affected by this culture. facts aren’t racist, but fascists are!

          • sam23sirius

            So, now a white man who raised two biracial children in the south is a racist because I support a constitutional republic? smh

          • Jin The Ninja

            no. but fascists historically are racist, and combine their ideologies with mystical nationalisms. it’s not a point of contention, nor an accusation, unless you are admitting to being a fascist?

          • sam23sirius

            Commies tend to call anyone who believes in property rights and liberty are fascists. Hitler was not a fascist, he was a socialist…

          • Jin The Ninja

            nice try. he was a fascist. national socialism was a fascist ideology with populist rhetoric. and like i said, i am both a libertarian and a socialist. which is, historically and academically, the original position of libertarianism. proudhoun coined the term, or didn’t you know that?

          • sam23sirius

            That is so very wrong on so many levels, arguing with trendies is akin to arguing with nazis. They are equally ill informed. I am not a Libertardian either. Mises/ jew Rothbard/ jew…

          • Jin The Ninja

            “[Naziism]-It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism”

            …

            “Nazism used elements of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany.[6] It was designed to draw workers away from communism and into Völkisch nationalism.[7] Major elements of Nazism have been described as far-right, such as allowing domination of society by people deemed racially superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.[8]

            …

            Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party’s previous leader’s decision to use the word “Socialist” in its name as Hitler at the time instead preferred to use “Social Revolutionary”.[12] Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined “socialism” as meaning a commitment of an individual to a community.[12] Hitler also claimed that unconditional equality of opportunity for all “racially sound” Aryan males was the essence of the “Socialism” of “National Socialism”.[13] Initially, Nazi political strategy used anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric.[14] This was downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support of industrial owners, and it shifted more to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.[14] Nazism favoured private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class differences.[15][16]”

            right from google! magic!

          • sam23sirius

            That is total bs, you should be smart enough to know that…

          • Jin The Ninja

            books are a globalist left wing conspiracy to indoctrinate you and take away your guns.

          • sam23sirius

            Again you trendy leftwingedness  has triumphed over truth…. William Pierce wrote alot of books too am I to believe them?

          • Jin The Ninja

            another part of the globalist commie conspiracy was me trying to engage the culture of violence and how that infringes on sovereign nations and peoples outside of the us. b/c you know, human rights, just for the plantation owners.

          • Aungsan

            :D  

            Thank you for the humor, Jin.

          • Jin The Ninja

            course. it breaks up the crazy;)

          • sam23sirius

            It is all fun and games to be clever on message boards. It is oh so very trendy to think those concerned with our loss of liberty are moonbat kooks. When you, or your progeny, wake up in a disarmed land ruled over by your loving leftist leaders that laughter will turn to ashes in your mouth.

          • Jin The Ninja

            i would rather not live in gunland, but you and yours are welcome to it. just keep it within your borders, and i’d have nothing to say! ashes!? pfffft. i’ve eaten the body of christ for 20 years- ashes are like dessert to me.

          • Aungsan

            Why do you lie, troll? 3 people died there before the murderer was stopped.

            That is not the way to deal with this, again, uprooting by the branch, acting after is too late.

          • sam23sirius

            How many died in the others….fail! You googled that pretty quick though, good tool.

          • Jin The Ninja

            the failure is truly yours in understanding that mass shootings are engendered by a gun culture and culture of violence.

          • sam23sirius

            Perhaps you should question why the “authorized” authorities sat idly by while shooters at Va. Tech and Columbine ran amuk. The state can not and will not protect you, it isn’t their gig.

          • Jin The Ninja

             nobody here is pro-statist. no one is authorising the state to impede on the sovereignty of the individual. what aungsan is asserting, is a RADICAL shift in cultural values. one that decries both the production/export of arms, and the culture of guns itself.

          • sam23sirius

            Oppressing white people huh…. You are just another Bolshevik. Move to China! 
             ”We must turn Russia into a desert populated by white negroes upon whom we shall impose a tyranny such as the most terrible Eastern despots never dreamt of. The only difference is that this will be a left-wing tyranny, not a right-wing tyranny. It will be a red tyranny and not a white one.” – Leon Trotsky 

          • Jin The Ninja

            it’s an ironic statement. tongue in cheek. directly written for posters like yourself who completely miss the nuance of race and identity.

            and yes i am a libertarian-socialist, but not a trotskyist.

             fail.

          • sam23sirius

            Walks like a duck quacks like a duck, it’s a duck….fail!

          • Jin The Ninja

             i guess it’s true for right wing gun fascists like you (too)! i’m mixed btw. 1/2 ‘white’ had you bothered to read the whole sentence before positing such a clear display of your ignorance. i seem to recall you telling me you had biracial children. well guess what? i’m as ‘white as they are! fail! epic! yt

          • sam23sirius

            My daughters are bi-racial. I am not a facist at all, I am a real American, not a trendy leftist tool who stands for the antithesis of American values.

          • Jin The Ninja

            i’m multi racial as well, and i respect both the rights of the individual and the right to community self determination as well as human rights and rights of the earth.  oh wait, that’s not really american. my bad!

          • sam23sirius

            I respect the right of sovereign citizens, and property rights. Human rights and earth rights are UN memes designed to enslave the goyim. If you want to tackle big problems you have to live in the real world. Not trendy trivium trutherville.

          • Jin The Ninja

            lol. well sam, it’s been fun, but i’m anti globalisation, not pro. and it’s getting tiresome to repeat that- so i’m out. have fun!

          • sam23sirius

            So leave my guns alone commie!

          • Jin The Ninja

            don’t worry they are all yours to hold, caress and love.

          • Jin The Ninja

             and ps, china is not, nor ever has been either trotskyist or leninist. mao redacted marx and lenin to fit an agrarian society. and china since 1977 has been a free market capitalist state. it’s okay. you can’t know everything /anything.

          • sam23sirius

            China is a disarmed police state, left wingers should love that, no?

          • Jin The Ninja

             nah. the free market bit is all yours on the right. free market with fascist values- your ideal!

          • mannyfurious

            Once again, you are not getting the argument. As Jin already pointed out several times, no one here is in favor of deferring all safety/survival to the state. This is ridiculous and you’re insane.

          • sam23sirius

            Do you even know what comment I initially replied to? No, you don’t you want to try to earn trendy points for adding to the dog pile. Be gone trendy! 

          • Jin The Ninja

            it would change the nature of human interactions. and why does it matter where Aungsan is from? seriously, do you not realise how greatly both american produced arms as well as illegal gun smuggling into nations both north and south of the border affects national sovereignty? look up ‘toronto shooting’ 3-shootings in one month, all accomplished with illegal american guns. no matter how pro-gun you are, you must recognise that the impact of american gun laws have a much wider area of effect than simply america within its own borders.

          • sam23sirius

            The problem with guns going to gun control nations are more the fault of gun control laws. Criminals break laws, it is their nature. A free man should have the ability to protect himself.

          • Jin The Ninja

            not a compelling argument.

          • sam23sirius

            Freedom isn’t a compelling argument?

          • Jin The Ninja

            when you impede on other sovereign individual’s freedom, is not freedom at all.

          • sam23sirius

            How an I impending your freedom by having a gun, provided i don’t menace you with it? 

          • Jin The Ninja

            when guns produced in your country (financed in large part through state mechanisms- boeing is the largest manufacturer of military arms after all) enter sovereign states both legally and illegally and are used to kill sovereign individuals in another country- how can that be freedom- either of state or of individual?

          • sam23sirius

            Individuals are responsible for that. American cars kill people worldwide as well, should we ban motor vehicles? How about Swiss Army Knives?

          • Jin The Ninja

            auto safety guidelines are under federal jurisdiction. both here and in the US. knives and weapons are also covered under federal statutes. i thought you didn’t like the feds?

          • mannyfurious

            How do you define freedom? 

            Jin and Aug are arguing that they should have the “freedom” to live in a society where they don’t have to worry about psychos walking into movie theaters with legally obtained weaponry.

            The argument then becomes whose freedom is “true” freedom or “more important” freedom. Your argument isn’t compelling because it muddles rather than clarifying.

          • JaceD

            “Crminals break laws, it is their nature” Sorry to burst your raving rightwing nonsense but criminals are a by product of society, nature is not a factor. As for nations that have strick gun control laws, there are fewer violent crimes in these countries.

          • sam23sirius

            So, there are no violent criminals in disarmed societies? I will take my chances with the tempestuous nature of liberty as opposed to the state telling me how to live my life.

          • JaceD

            Yes, no violent criminals because fewer = none…

            Do you get upset at the fact you have to wear a safety belt while driving? Do you feel your liberties are being taken away when you’re pulled over for drunk driving? What about speed limits! Taking away your freedom to go 140kms in a 50km zone. And how dare the state tell those poor rapists they can’t do what they love to do! I agree, those damn laws are just so unfair!

          • mannyfurious

            That’s not the point. The point is not to change human nature. The point is to keep guns out of the hands of idiots who would do stupid things with them–at least until their nature/society changes.

            I’m not necessarily in favor of gun control, but you should at least know what you’re arguing against if you don’t want to look like a moron.

          • Calypso_1

            Killed & injured that many people in a crowded, chaotic area with a knife?  Maybe not that particular individual but their are certainly those that could.  Knives don’t jam or run out of ammo.

          • Aungsan

            How long until a mob bleed him to death? a knife is not that intimidating, certainly not as much as an automatic weapon, and if a guy can use it well, so does the death toll rises, a lot higher if we are talking about automatics. 

            The case is not really for stop such acts once they happen, but to prevent them from happening in the first place.

          • mannyfurious

            Not to mention that safely disarming a man with a knife is something that can be learned in about two hours.

            Also, a person with a lot of guns does not need formal training to kill a lot of people. A person with a knife does. And even then, it is highly unlikely that there would have been as many casualties in the theater that night if Holmes was a highly trained knife fighter instead of a loser with a bunch of firearms.

          • Aungsan

            Exactly.

            I think many of the arguments that are being waved don’t hold much water, specially if the idea is to actually reduce violence in society.

          • Calypso_1

            I think violence in these type cases could best be reduced by requiring mandatory counseling in grad programs.   

          • Aungsan

            That can help, I think there is a need to humanize the problem, and to humanize US society, including family, instead of simply condemn try to understand how these things present themselves. Certainly, people with family and childhood problems are more likely to develop the kind of problems that end up in these kind of acts. 

          • Calypso_1

            “safely disarming a man with a knife is something that can be learned in about two hours.”

            You have never encountered a knife expert if you believe that.

            If someone sold you that bill of goods they were either extremely self-deluded or had little regard for your well being.

          • mannyfurious

            Damn, you’ve certainly got it out for me, don’t cha?

            Anyhow, I believe in my original post that I pointed out the odds of a trained knife expert leading a knife assault are astronomically low. That should be read as an acknowledgement that there are those out there capable of not being disarmed easily. But that takes, you know, reading comprehension and things like that.

            Although, yes, unlike you apparently, I’ve never experienced tear gas or encountered a knife expert (although, I have gone through several knife-disarming trainings and it would be reasonable to assume one of the instructors could be considered an “expert”). I’m not a “badass” or whatever. So you can go forward in life feeling that you’re better than Manny Furious, if that’s what brings meaning and such to your life.

          • Calypso_1

            I don’t have it out for you. The odds of all of these events are extreme. But as is the case in the ‘post-game’ analysis that ensues, where people express their views of varying levels of insight, abstracted yet specific scenarios are often introduced to illustrate a point.
            I apologize if I misunderstood something you wrote, but equating that with a lack of reading comprehension is a case you are not going to be able to sustain against me. So if it is merely a matter of your feelings being hurt by someone that has more knowledge than you, I would request that you temper your response as the information presented has nothing to do with how I feel about you or anybody else. Nor do I derive any degree of personal meaning from this action other than the drive to share knowledge that I know to be true and correct within the bounds of my own understanding – of which I have taken considerably pains to acquire.
            If someone is able to present knowledge that exceeds mine I eagerly listen and learn, learn, learn.

          • Calypso_1

            He did not have an automatic weapon. Automatic weapons do not equate with increased lethality.  For small arms they are less accurate and primarily used for  suppressive and interlocking fields of fire. 
            It is shot placement that counts.

            I know pros that would would rather engage in unarmed CQC against a shooter than a skilled knife weilding attacker.
            What you are intimidated by has more to do with your knowledge & skill base in this subject matter than the realities of the situation.

          • Aungsan

            Check the massacres committed by knife and the ones by firearms, firearms are more deadly, they allow a better crowd control and can easily kill and wound at a distance.

            People will try to survive either way, by fighting or by running, a guy with firearms, even if he is not an expert, has more chance of catching them; and if people is really worried about knife attacks, if these attacks actually can overcome the number of shootings, people can still learn how to disarm a person with a knife, the same as they can learn to carry guns everywhere and shoot.

            But, anyway, as I pointed out, this really doesn’t solve anything, you have to attack the cause of a violent society, not the symptom.

          • Calypso_1

            55% of gunfights take place 0-5 feet.   Serious slice and dice range.
            •  20% of gunfights take place in 5-10 feet.
            •  20% of gunfights take place in 10-21 feet.
            •  95% of gunfights take place in 0-21 feet. (Source- FBI)  
            A knife wielding attacker can cover 21 feet before a gun can be drawn from a side holster, more from concealed carry. 

            And I promise you it is far, far more difficult to disarm a skilled knife attack than martial art would have you believe.  You’d be better off watching some prison shanking vids and forming your opinion about disarming then.  You can counter fight knife on knife – but you WILL get cut.
             
            Gun massacres predominate for many reasons –but mainly because people are conditioned to believe this is the way to kill a lot of people…you can see it in film/ TV and simulate via vidja ad infinitum.  If different scenarios were regularly shown people would change their course of action.
            True crowd control is about psychology and understanding the environment you are in and how a crowd will react.  You can adapt many tools to this job.

            As to addressing the causes of violence in society I would very much like to hear your opinion and would enjoy discussing it if you’d like to start another thread.  I will have more time tomorrow to do so. 
             

          • Aungsan

            I actually agree with most of your assessment, I certainly agree that a knife expert can be quiet deadly, but this is an specialized case I would say, at least so far; also crowd control with firearms makes it easier for somebody that is not really an expert on the handling of weapons, but I agree it can be done with many tools.

            You are also correct in the conditioning, and that is probably where we would enter into prevention and changing the mentality by itself, I think it is actually a whole cultural revolution against the powers that be, and a political one, against the government itself, as the biggest sponsor of both the mentality and the tools.

          • Andrew

            Don’t use the phrase “leftists psycho babble” and then pretend to speak about human nature.  You could’ve formed a strong position by arguing the problem is not guns but mental illness, but you blew it right there.

          • sam23sirius

            I remember you Andrew, you are another trivium truther dumbass.

          • Andrew

            You remember nothing except your prejudices.  I am not a “truther.”  And what is wrong with the trivium, aside from logic disproving your knee-jerk ad hominem?

          • sam23sirius

            LOL at ad hominem… go away trendy!

          • Andrew

            Thanks for proving my point.

          • sam23sirius

            You don’t need me to do that, you go about playing rhetorical games to feed that monkey constantly. loser

          • Jin The Ninja

            rhetoric is one of the most important techniques in philosophy, and the cultivation of it, is demonstrative of a wise person (not to mention part of the greek tradition of democracy). andrew is very adept at it.

          • sam23sirius

            So, he read the official rulebook on bullshit and no somehow feels like a philosopher… You people are rich, and I thought neo nazis were stupid.

          • Andrew

            If you ever want to get out of the hole you’re in, stop digging.

          • sam23sirius

            WTF are you talking about….trivium trenies

          • Jin The Ninja

            according to you, nazis were not right wing fascists either. pot = kettle.

          • sam23sirius

            They aren’t.

          • Jin The Ninja

            but that is a problem, because they really are.

          • sam23sirius

            No, they simply are not.

          • Jin The Ninja

            proof?

          • Calypso_1

            Might I suggest you take up competitive ichthyology.  It keeps the palms moist, Omega-3’s and all that.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9Zuhipjp5c

          • sam23sirius

            Fuck off trendy

          • mannyfurious

            Instead of bitching, why don’t you go read the “rulebook” and learn how to formulate cogent arguments instead of reciting the same tired cliches you’ve heard endlessly from a bunch of other dumb motherfuckers?

          • sam23sirius

            I have dumnbass, you done sucking up to the “smart kids” yet…clown

          • mannyfurious

            The fact that you believe having a couple of people I don’t know on internet message boards like and accept me is actually a motivation says less about me and more about the twisted reality you live in.

            And calling me a clown and accusing me of sucking up to others, even if true, is not actually an argument. I might be a clowd, but that doesn’t make my arguments wrong. Instead of calling me names, defend your position like a big boy.

          • Andrew

            Heh, no, my point is that you have little but what you pull out of your ass, and you’ve given plenty of evidence throughout these comments.  I suspect it’s very important to you that you get the last word, but you might want to reconsider before you make an even bigger ass of yourself than you have already.

        • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

          You’re right about addressing the root causes of violent outbursts such as the one you are referring to, as well as the smaller and much more numerous ones.

          On the one hand we don’t seem to do enough towards the prevention of that, but on the other, I have concerns about giving our institutions or police any more authority to detain or scrutinize whomever catches their attention.

          As far as a firearms ban, that’s extraordinarily unlikely and will certainly never occur in my lifetime.

          Even if an attempt to round up all the guns were successful in the U.S., the problems would still persists, or perhaps even get worse, though I know that is hard to believe.

          Without the deterrent of potential victims being armed with guns, crime may actually get worse. Although it’s not a perfect example, I think Chicago is a pretty good case for what happens when you effectively disarm a populace.

          The bad guys, of course, will never be entirely disarmed. It’s too easy to make expedient weapons, including new and completely illegal guns (Check out the story on the  “firearm” that was recently printed out on a 3-D plastic printer for where the future will take us).

          The sad truth is that violence is endemic in America and I’m not sure how that can be remedied or even IF it can. 

          I’m afraid it’s in the genes…

          • Aungsan

            That is why what I’m saying is a lot more focused of changing the whole perception of the problem, a ban will probably be applied precisely when is no longer needed, that is to say when the populace understands by itself that to have killing toys around, and to kill people, is actually not a good thing.

            The US government is the main sponsor of weapons in the world, of course than to make a ban there will need to be a change of government.I understand your points and I agree, the population in the US, is almost as if there is little to no dialogue between you, the population is fragmented, demoralized, polarized and/or afraid of their own shadows. So from the point of view of changing the culture itself, you are probably correct.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Cultures are always changing, it’s not inconceivable that America can change.

          • Aungsan

            Hopefully, certainly it would be great, not only for the US, but for the world as a whole, but I doubt it will come from electing corporate puppets, it has to be a popular movement.

        • Auto

           Exactly,”root causes are social and cultural behaviors”, NOT guns, don’t show your ignorance by blaming the ax for the moron cutting off his foot.  When you give up your guns then only the criminal governments will have guns, tell me how do you stop them from enslaving you then genius. 

        • BanishedJester

          Are you forgetting reality? If we were living in Roman times at the age of fifteen we would have been in the army hacking our neighbors to pieces. Before the advent of metal weapons like swords and such we used arrows, rocks, etc. 

          If you are after the root cause of violence then you better keep praying because we the people have been after that quest for as long as we have existed. The second amendment exists because we cannot stop violence but we can defend ourselves from it. 

  • sam23sirius

    hahahahaha! I have touched a nerve with the neo bolshevik tools. I really don’t hate you guys, and I wish you would wake up, but I wouldn’t suggest trying to curtail my liberty, free men don’t take kindly to that.

    • Anarchy Pony

      No one here is a bolshevik, shit for brains. God you are an ignorant fucking troll. 

      • sam23sirius

        Could have fooled me… Didn’t Jewsus say you will know them by their fruits???

        • Anarchy Pony

          I don’t really give a shit what Jesus said. Now go pretend that Ron Paul is a revolution.

          • sam23sirius

            Ron  Paul is a tool. Bought and paid for by the fake opposition libertardian jews.

          • Anarchy Pony

            … That’s a new one. You are troll of true audacity.

          • Jin The Ninja

            if you followed me on disqus, you could read the bit about nazis. some great little nuggets o wisdom there.

          • sam23sirius

            Almost everything I have heard anyone say about the nazis is total bullshit.

          • Jin The Ninja

            i am awaiting the citations of all books, articles and papers you have written personally on the subject, and have had published.

          • sam23sirius

            As am I yours. smh

          • Jin The Ninja

            because i generally accept most critical, mainstream scholarship on the subject- i needn’t offer;)

          • sam23sirius

            Why would you do a fool thing like that? Read everything, trust nothing.

          • Jin The Ninja

            oh, except there are many many eye witness accounts and documentation. i’ve met a holocaust survivor. i know many survivors of the japanese occupation of east and s.e. asia. the truth exists in their accounts, and in the historical documentation from germany that outlined party goals. hitler’s correspondence with churchill acknowledged the parties fascist goals. churchill actually praised german fascism several times. it’s an interesting thing-them books.

          • sam23sirius

            any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or Socialism:governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 

          • Jin The Ninja

            hmm? so a wikipedia entry was good enough for you to lift from? telling. anyways, keep your guns, shoot commies. whatever. this is boring and redundant.

          • sam23sirius

            I hope the “moderators” put my first reply backup. Here is an interesting book “A Year In Treblinka” by Yankel Wiernik Check that book out then afterwards look at the amount of times it is used as a source in “The Destruction of the European Jews” by Raul Hilberg, as well as pretty much every other book written about the Operation Reinhard Camps. It even found it’s way into the Nuremberg Trials. Books are interesting things indeed…

          • Jin The Ninja

            neither of those books posits that the nazis were not ideological fascists. so your point?

          • sam23sirius

            I touched on that in the first comment flagged by the moderators. Left and right is bullshit concocted by weirdos who want to control you. Think up and down….

          • Jin The Ninja

            that is just as 2 dimensional as left/right. which is why the accepted axis is XY left/right, authoritarian/libertarian. nazis fall on the right/authoritarian scope otherwise known as ‘fascism.’ it’s not my opinion, it’s fact.

          • sam23sirius

            How is it fact? Because some political scientists says so? Stalin and Hitler are basically the same cat. Stalin was allowed to continue because he was a slave to the zionist banking cartel. Folks like Hitler and Gaddfi were not. All three were socialist nations, different flavors of the same old statist bs. 

          • Jin The Ninja

            not some. most. this argument is old, you have zero evidence, zero knowledge, zero facts. you don’t like establishment academia? fine. show me CREDIBLE scholarship that refutes otherwise. put up or stfu.

          • sam23sirius

            Is Raul Hilberg’s book credible? Because if you think it is, we really have nothing to say to each other.

          • sam23sirius

            I touched on that in the first comment flagged by the moderators. Left and right is bullshit concocted by weirdos who want to control you. Think up and down….

          • sam23sirius

            My point is jewish supremacists dominate academia. Credible reads as approved by the tribe to me. The nazis were socialists. No amount of liebrary books will change that fact. Besides, anyone who mentions the holohoax is not to be trusted, it is my litmus test of truth.

          • Jin The Ninja

            crazy.

          • sam23sirius

            I know, right? I can’t believe anyone who has done any secondary looking believes in the holohoax story. There’s no business like shoah business.

          • Jin The Ninja

            nah man i meant you.

          • sam23sirius

            I know. Someday you may make it off the goyim plantation, it is pretty nice out here.

          • Jin The Ninja

            i’m happy on my socialist kibbutzim.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            If your planning on going on a murderous rampage I would recommend you speak to some people about it first please.

          • sam23sirius

            LOL Have you called the see something say something hotline yet? Or are you a goy toy here to defend your masters?

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

            They all had a phenomenal sense of aesthetics.

            Wait, maybe that was just Hugo Boss.

          • Jin The Ninja

            lol. <3.

          • Anarchy Pony

            I can’t help but think he is just trolling. And either way, we really should just ignore him and wait til he gets bored.

          • sam23sirius

            Have to reply on this one. I gave you the merriam webster definition of socialism. Still not good enough. You people are worse than neo nazis. Over 100 attack responses by half a dozen fucktards, none of whom will ever even look at anything outside of their reality tunnel. We are truly fucked folks…

          • sam23sirius

            “No one becomes popular by telling people the truth. History records what happened to the true prophets of the past. However, some have listened to their warnings and were not caught off-guard. Others have put their heads in the sand and refused to listen. They have died.” – William Milton Cooper

          • Anarchy Pony

            You can claim you’re telling truth all you want, crazy people do it all the time.

          • sam23sirius

            Step away from the kook folks, let the trendies tax your every breath and tell you how to live.

          • Anarchy Pony

            What are you 12?

          • sam23sirius

            No.

  • General Ripper

     I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.  

  • Brinkofinsane
  • sam23sirius

    LOL @ disinfo. A true beacon of free speech like infowars.com. Do you hire their old moderators or what?

  • BanishedJester

    An idea like banning guns is similar to socialism. In socialism you are not you. You are a product of the state. Without guns you cannot protect you. You can only be protected by the state. Both ideas are the outsourcing of personal responsibility to the state. And no matter how invasive the state becomes you can never protect anything or anyone under those conditions. You are at the whim of the “leaders” of that socialist state. You are fucked.