Unpacking The Statue Of Liberty

Our dream in pieces. Via 456th Fighter Interceptor Squadron, a series of extremely ominous photos of the unboxing of the Statue of Liberty upon her 1885 arrival on American shores:

84 Comments on "Unpacking The Statue Of Liberty"

  1. Hazy Daisy | Jul 12, 2012 at 3:31 pm |

    Not a word about its Masonic origins. Strange, given that it occupies such a central place in the American mythos. My own take on it it that it is indeed Masonic: it is as monumental and commanding as it is hollow and kitsch, breathtakingly insincere and more than a little sycophantic, and now as hauntingly a relic of the past as Masonry itself is.

    • Lifobryan | Jul 12, 2012 at 10:41 pm |

      Hey there Hazy! (My new fave Disinfo poster!)
      Do you have any personal connections or experience with Freemasonry?
      Not disputing your post at all … because I kinda agree. (At least with where American Freemasonry has gone by & large. It’s a different animal elsewhere – more occulty, less nationalist). 

      Anyway … just curious ….

      • Hazy Daisy | Jul 13, 2012 at 9:33 am |

        Why? I haven’t exactly covered myself with glory. And once again I find myself caught short. Because, far from being something enticing, like a disaffected Freemason, I’m just another slob howling into the breeze.

        But, I’m taking a stand against that persistent strain of conspiracism that attributes immense power to Freemasonry, even now in these twilight years of industrial civilization. I say Freemasonry today is a shadow of its former self. I can’t prove it. I just can’t credit that this organization is exempt from the laws that govern human relations. Like any other outfit its most immediate threat is simple evaporation; to leave the fraternity, all you have to do is to stop paying your dues. But it also suffers because it can no longer attract the best. Only the most unimaginative strivers, who think joining confers a material advantage, bother these days.

        And that’s me: bold assertions based on nothing.

        • Monkey See Monkey Do | Jul 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm |

          I’d say there must be other secret clubs the elites are joining with delusions of granduer.

        • Lifobryan | Jul 13, 2012 at 6:37 pm |

          “Glory” has nothing to do with it …  However, “a tendency to daydream and an aversion to sport ….” is a beautiful description and makes me like you whether or not I agree with you. As does “I’m just another slob howling into the breeze.” That’s so refreshing. If only more of us on this board could toggle so readily between saying what we honestly feel, but then acknowledging our opinions are just opinions. I think you walk a nice & careful line between getting a discussion going & being open to other points of view. If more people had your ‘hazy’ approach, I think discussion on the board would be enriched. Your approach is challenging, yet humble. That’s tough to pull off. 

          As to Freemasonry, I mostly agree. American Freemasonry is not the institution of enlightenment that it had been in previous centuries. European Masonic lodges in the 18th century were curious hotbeds of occult philosophy & anti-autocratic ideals. Those ideas certainly worked their way into the fabric of western democracy through all sorts of means, “conspiratorial” & otherwise.

          American Freemasonry lost its teeth as well as its passion for social enlightenment – and became instead a club for wanna-be players and old man pancake breakfasts. 

          That said … I do think that a younger generation is discovering Freemasonry, and might …. just might …. begin move the fraternity back in the direction of its classical values. 

          We’ll see …

          • Hazy Daisy | Jul 16, 2012 at 10:36 am |

            If a younger generation is discovering Freemasonry, that’s all to the good. I don’t know if you are familiar with John Michael Greer’s Archdruid Report. He has posted both on the vital role that Freemasonry played in the past as a support for vulnerable women and children — providing, mind, that the (deceased) husband was a fully paid-up member of the fraternity, and on the likely role that Freemasonry might play as industrial civilization winds down. In both cases, past and future, lodges are a welcome component of a more tightly knit, fine-grained community, certainly better than what we have now: a massified grid of production and estrangement, as described by John Zerzan.

          • Lifobryan | Jul 16, 2012 at 2:49 pm |

            Thanks for that – I wasn’t familiar with the Archdruid Report, but just checked it out. It looks fascinating & I will peruse thoroughly! I’m actually really intrigued by the ‘old’ religions & hermeticism. Thanks! If you are interested in reading about classic Freemasonry (pre-USA), check out “Born in Blood” by John Robinson. Also, “The Earth Will Shake” & “The Widow’s Son,” both by RAW, are insanely well researched & entertainingly insane.

            This is why I love the disinfo site – discussions on one topic often take a quantum jump into another topic. Who’da thunk we’d travel from the delivery of the Statue of Liberty, forward to the end of industrial-ocracy, and wind up way back pre-industri-conomy, in the company of Druids. Love it!

  2. It’s funny how the Statue of Liberty has a face of a man (Apollo).

  3. How are these pictures ominous? If anything I think they are marvelous considering the history of the Statue of Liberty and spirit of friendship with which she arrived on our shores. That kind of camaraderie does not exist today. France would be more likely to send an Atom Bomb.

    • Jin The Ninja | Jul 14, 2012 at 3:48 pm |

      nah, they’re way too busy with their own internal and external problems. ever heard of something called the ‘european union’ ? only amerikkka plays world police with atom bombs.

      • Why are you trying to goad me? why do you hate America so much? why are you so angry? You must be in your twenties.

        • Jin The Ninja | Jul 15, 2012 at 3:18 am |

          1-your comments seek reply. 2-no nation is worthy of veneration. 3- angry? what i said was simply HISTORICAL. 4- yes, and i’ll take that over a cantankerous ol elephant any day.

          • 1) Sorry if I seem like I wanted YOU to reply. i really didn’t. 2) IMHO: America – for all its faults is still the best country in the world. 3) And yes, you are angry, Mr. ninja.
            4) Elephants are noble animals.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 16, 2012 at 12:42 am |

            1) any comment that spreads disinfo, BEGS reply. 2) america is a very flawed nation built on blood and white supremacy. no nation is the ‘best nation.’ anyone who believes so is deeply delusional, filled with the pseudo-mystical psyops that is nationalism. 3) I already said that. 4) i was referring to elephants of the republican variety, known for their instinctual stupidity. noble is not a word they know.

          • 1) Any comment you don’t agree with is disinfo. 2) If you don’t like America- why don’t you leave? 3) At least you know you have anger issues 4) Be careful of the things you despise- eventually you become them.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 16, 2012 at 11:20 am |

            1) comments that are anti-intellectual, misinformed and ahistorial, and are spread as gospel ARE in fact disinfo. 3) you really don’t get it. Nationlism is a disease of the mind. it’s not healthy. 4) anger at injustice is different that punching someone in a barfight. one is moral one is not. 4) become a neo-con like you? nah, i’d rather stick nicely with my radical politics- so much more human than nazi.

          • 1) Well I’m on the right website then. 2) What happened to 2? 3) Being proud of my country is a disease? and hating it with every fiber of your being is healthy? RIIIIIGGGHHHT. 4) I’m hardly a neo-con. Just throwing out buzzwords now aren’t you? And just for your info- when you call people nazis- well you lose all arguments. unless of course – they are nazis. which i’m not. BTW- in Germany I could now have you arrested for spouting hate speech. You know hatred well- since you despise America so much. I’m sure it comes naturally to you.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 17, 2012 at 8:54 am |

            1) no, you’re a troll that adds nothing, says nothing of import. we have plenty enough of those sort. 2.3) yes. nationalism is a mental disease. and it functions much like hysterical evangelical religion. 3) hardly a neo-con? i beg to differ, you sound like every other two bit limbaugh troll. 4) lol. when has america ever respected int’l law? never.
            5) again, i am not anti-america, i am anti war, anti imperialism, anti racism, anti sexism, anti oppression, anti bullshit. so are you asserting america is pro oppression pro bullshit?

          • Calypso_1 | Jul 17, 2012 at 9:55 am |

            I believe you may be arguing with an individual with clinical cognitive deficits….if you haven’t yet checked out his ‘comix’, I’d suggest doing so before before casting any more pearls.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 17, 2012 at 10:27 am |

             point taken. there are few/no words.

          • Brilliant wording on your part, btw.

          • 1) Well i think you have touched all the bases here- i’m a troll- nazi -neo con with no compassion, no empathy, a warmongering, hysterical evangelical… Nothing else to add i suppose. You’re running out of buzzwords..2) there’s nothing wrong with being proud of where you’re from. 3) International law? what country has ever respescted it? China certainly doesn’t. 4)I’m not asserting anything about America. You are.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 17, 2012 at 1:04 pm |

            lol. you have simply run out of shrill defense.

          • No, i’m just waiting for you to run out of insults. Guess, i won’t hold my breath waiting.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 17, 2012 at 9:01 pm |

            blue yet?

          • Winning an idealogical argument with someone on the internet, who lives halfway across the planet from you with opposing views from your own, is rather sad. You could have simply tried to be my friend- but you’d rather win an argument- so i give up- YOU win! Fell superior now? Good.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 18, 2012 at 1:59 pm |

            i never ‘fell’ anywhere.

          • Oh- pick on a man’s typos! Oh you are smarter than me.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm |

            sure am.

          • Modest too ain’t ya?

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 19, 2012 at 3:52 am |

            not really.

          • Well that is obvious.

          • Jin I think you’re a bug zapper for these kinda peoples.

          • Calypso_1 | Jul 19, 2012 at 8:59 pm |

            Awww yea, Jus like fun times at  Papaw’s house. 
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edv0v2mOL60

          • Lifobryan | Jul 17, 2012 at 10:48 am |

            Dude, have you ever considered decaf? It’s just as tasty as regular coffee, but with out the jittery side effects. 

            Just sayin  …..

          • That’s clever. Apropos of nothing, but clever. You are funny clever man.

          • My bad- i just discovered you live in Hong Kong from your facebook- and you aren’t American. of course you hate us.
            So does that mean you are actaullya Communist- a ral live Chinese one? Maybe you are secretly a spy form their government sent to infest Disinfo- where you have made over 2000 comments? You were also born in 1984.

            So to me- that means you don’t know what the hell you are talking about- but i am impressed you speak so many languages.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 17, 2012 at 8:49 am |

             hong kong has never been (ever) communist, in fact it has one of the most liberal (free) markets in the world. china is not and has not been communist, since before i was born. it is theoretically ‘market socialist,’ but a little more market than social. I would think someone who lived through nixon and regan would remember the deng xiao peng market reforms.

          • Really? And I thought they were all commies. You learn something new every day.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 17, 2012 at 1:03 pm |

            i guess age =/= wisdom.

          • I think I should be insulted, but i don’t understand what you are talking about.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm |

            china. remember?

          • Right. I forgot what the original topic was. so you win.
            Feel good about yourself.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 18, 2012 at 4:40 pm |

            i do.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm |

            !!!

          • BTW- you do know Ninjas are Japanese- not Chinese?

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 17, 2012 at 8:35 am |

            If i am the supposed commie, honger you already asserted- obviously. You’ve also never heard of otaku? or anime? or manga? or japanese cinema? ‘pan-asian’ culture is a complex but rather significant part of being part of the younger chinese diaspora.

          • Can’t say i have heard of that pan Asian thing. Anime- I avoid it and manga too. Never heard of other stuff. also Pan Chinese Dispora – fancy talk for ” I’m not a commie” I suppose. Sorry I called you one.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 17, 2012 at 1:03 pm |

            when did i say pan-chinese? for a comic book author, you don’t know your own genre?

          • I know my own genre just fine- for example- i know Comic books were a uniquely American creation for decades, till the Japanese co-oped them in the 60s. Like i said, i don’t follow manga or anime, or that style of art. More power to those who do- but it just doesn’t appeal to me.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 17, 2012 at 9:01 pm |

            i guess bande-dessine, manhua both of which originated in the 19th century don’t really matter… lol.

          • Never heard of it. Have you ever heard of the Yellow kid- the first Comic strip to be published successfully in the world- which led to the rise of newspaper comic strips – which in turn made comic books popular? No- probably not.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 18, 2012 at 2:06 pm |

            yes, actually;) but it’s not a very good example for a variety of reasons, nor does it represent the history of comic book publish, but it’s okay jer, can’t fault you for ignorance.

          • Because I’m right. Don’t worry, I want berate you about it.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm |

            you ‘want’ berate me about it? for someone whose knowledge of comics/graphic fiction is so limited that he wasn’t familiar with tintin, maybe stop while you’re ahead.

          • I never said I wasn’t famliar with TIN tin. I grew up reading him. I just never heard of that French- Belgian comic crap you threw my way. But I looked it up. It as like early comcis- but with out thought balloons or speech balloons. Dialogue was written underneath the comic. So YOU don’t know what Tin tin was about- since there were thought and speech balloons in the strip.
            But whatever.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 19, 2012 at 3:49 am |

            tin tin IS a franco belgian bande-dessine. case in point, you are really just not smart.

          • No its not. you need to read up on the subject yourself. Its a french comic book, but it’s not the thing you think it is.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 19, 2012 at 1:06 pm |

            lol. herge is from belgium. google.fr + tin tin. if you are only going to read wikipedia for your responses at least read the entire article.

          • Touche. French enough for you?

          • You’re right- that’s as dumb as being a Chinese Ninja.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 19, 2012 at 11:40 pm |

            lol. i’m just a ninja. no national or ethnic qualifier needed.

          • Calypso_1 | Jul 20, 2012 at 12:16 am |

            At this point I hope to god that we are merely witnessing a troll dry hump your leg.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 20, 2012 at 3:09 am |

            me 2…..

          • You know real ninjas don’t advertise the fact.

          • Calypso_1 | Jul 17, 2012 at 9:42 am |

            You must not be very aware of the origins of ninpo.

          • Jin The Ninja | Jul 17, 2012 at 10:23 am |

            or kanji, or kimonos, or kenpo….;)

          • You’re right, never heard of it. Is it something contagious, or do i have to scrape it off the bottom of my shoes?

          • Calypso_1 | Jul 17, 2012 at 12:31 pm |

            Enjoy your diminishing faculties while you can.  The assisted living facilities in Tallahassee aren’t exactly in the top percentile for keeping C.diff under wraps.  Then it won’t just be on the bottom of your shoe and Shamiqua will be all too happy to let you slip and slide the whole shift while you aspirate on your tube feedings.

          • That looks like English, but I haven’t the faintest idea of what you are talking about. I feel like I should be insulted though, but I’m merely puzzled.

          • Calypso_1 | Jul 17, 2012 at 9:23 pm |

            Receptive aphasia is a difficulty many face in your condition. It will be challenging for a while, but eventually you won’t care anymore.

          • What are you saying to me? what does that mean in English?

          • That’s rather cruel isn’t it. Telling me i have a neurological condition – because i don’t agree with you? That’s very mean spirited. But typical of today’s
            dialogue between internet users. Wat eve rhappened to being nice and trying to make friends, listening to others opinion whether you agreed with them or not- oh right. what do i know, I’m neurologically damaged…
            That’s sad.

    • Lifobryan | Jul 15, 2012 at 10:38 am |

      I think these pictures look ominous for a few reasons: 1. The statue is dismembered, and one can’t help but see a metaphor in that. There is widespread sentiment today that our liberties are gradually being dismantled … and that the statue’s “Give me your tired, your poor” inscription has fractured into fear & loathing of (certain) foreigners. 2. The statue was designed to be viewed from a lower vantage point, and so its perspective is slightly skewed to account for the fact that the face would normally be 200 ft above the viewer. When we see the face head-on, it looks more masculine and harsh, whereas when seen from the intended lower angle, the face softens and becomes more feminine. In these pictures it appears hostile … which reinforces the metaphors of wounded liberty and hostility toward outsiders. 3. Grainy black & white pictures with smudge-faced over-dressed people almost always feel a bit ominous. (Or like album covers). 

      • Hazy Daisy | Jul 15, 2012 at 1:15 pm |

        Can the statue stand scrutiny, whether friendly or hostile? I ask because I’ve just looked over its history very superficially, and it seems its symbolic power results more from serendipity than design. A case in point is the “huddled masses” inscription you mention. This was added well after the fact, it seems, when the New York city fathers realized belatedly that arriving immigrants were cheered by the sight of the statue. The poem the inscription derives from, The New Colossus, written my Emma Lazarus, was almost never written. Lazarus said she would not write a poem about a statue (I can relate) but was inspired to do so upon learning of Jews escaping pogroms in Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, Lazarus was Jewish; this being the case one is forced to turn one’s head away from the suspicion of narrow tribal sentiment to the enlightened egalitarianism her poem evokes. And then there’s Jerry Kimbro’s comment about the friendship between the US and France that made the statue possible. Alas, American finance for the statue was sporadic at best, because Americans felt no affection for the statue, regarding it as a French interloper on American soil. 

        • Lifobryan | Jul 16, 2012 at 9:51 am |

          I didn’t know about the connection between the poem and the pogroms – that makes a lot of sense & illuminates the phrasing. Thanks!

      • 1) It was a message of hope once. 2) They had to break down into pieces to ship it over here. 3) Grainy pics from the 19th century frighten you? How odd.

        • Lifobryan | Jul 16, 2012 at 10:08 am |

          1- It was a symbol of hope once. Exactly. Once, being the operative term. The Statue of Liberty, like any symbol, can mean different things to different people at different times. To early 20th century immigrants, it was a symbol of hope & opportunity – as was America itself. Today, many see American icons as symbols of paranoia and imperialism. Civil Rights leaders in the 60s pointed to the crack in the Liberty Bell as a metaphor for a broken system (liberty for some, but not everyone). Seeing the statue in pieces makes a similar point – many people today feel that our liberties are being eroded, whether by governmental paranoia or by corporate greed. Old photos showing the “glowering” face of the statue in pieces can seem like an ominous metaphor to people who are more poetically than literally minded. 

          2 – The statue had to be shipped in pieces? Really?? I thought it strode across the ocean floor like godzilla until it reached the US, where it climbed up onto Ellis Island & started swatting zeppelins with its torch. 

          3 – 19th century photos frightening? No, but depending on the image content, can suggest alternate meanings to people who are more poetically than literally minded. 

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