Six Arguments For The Elimination of Capitalism

Shout out to Anarchy Pony for the link. An ‘insider’s’ perspective on the flaws of our economic system.

Via Dissident Voice

Jerry Mander’s new book, The Capitalism Papers, has a promising subtitle: Fatal Flaws of an Obsolete System. None of the hedging of bets there that constrains much progressive social critique in the US. In liberal punditry, the acceptable spectrum of discourse does not even permit use of the word, and in the foundation-sponsored non-profit sector, such talk would be financial suicide. Nor are US trade unions, what’s left of them, anti-capitalist. (In fact their leaders explicitly claim their aim is to get capitalism to work better.) As he correctly points out, there is an unspoken consensus: “it is as if global capitalism” – a human creation – “occupies a virtually permanent existence, like a religion, a gift of God, infallible.”

This unmasking of the unspoken, invisible, assumed, is what Jerry Mander’s books do best, and it is a promising start. He outlines six intrinsic aspects of global corporate capitalism—which he takes pains to distinguish from a localized, petty bourgeois variety (more on that later) that make it fundamentally untenable if we are to avoid worldwide social and ecological collapse. They are:

Amorality – increase of individual and corporate wealth is the only core principle of capitalism. Recognition of any social concern or relationship to the natural world that transcends the goal of increasing capital accumulation is extrinsic to the system.
Dependence on growth – capitalism relies on limitless growth, but the natural resources essential to wealth production are finite. Super-exploitation is exhausting those resources and destroying the ecosystems of which they are a part, jeopardizing human survival as well as that of other species.
Propensity to war – since the only goal is to accumulate rather than distribute wealth, resources that produce wealth must be controlled; therefore war is inevitable.
Intrinsic inequity – without any constraining outside force or internalized principle of social equity, capital accumulation leads almost exclusively to more accumulation, and capital is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.
Anti-democratic – democracies are corruptible: wealth can purchase most of the representation it needs to get the laws necessary for further accumulation and concentration of wealth. This means that as the concentration of wealth increases, democracy is degraded and ultimately destroyed.
Unproductive of real happiness – human happiness and wellbeing are demonstrably tied to other factors besides capital accumulation. Extreme poverty is clearly unproductive of happiness, but so is wealth, past a relatively modest level. Happiness is most widespread where there are guarantees that basic needs will be met for all, wealth is more equitably distributed, and bonds between people and the natural environment are still stronger than the desire to accumulate wealth.

These are good arguments, although as Mander himself admits, they are neither new nor exhaustive. But really, he says, and the sympathetic reader agrees: aren’t they enough? His particular focus will be on the second, the paradigm of growth, because it is this, he says, that now risks obliterating the sources of human life itself.

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156 Comments on "Six Arguments For The Elimination of Capitalism"

  1. The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 8:05 pm |

    Capitalism is the greatest system. This author makes the age-old confusion between capitalism and government. How sad. If capitalism is destroyed, all the wealth and comforts are gone. Then we’re really fucked.  

    • Anarchy Pony | Aug 11, 2012 at 8:16 pm |

      I really hope you aren’t serious.

      • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 9:10 pm |

        Yep I’m serious. Even the homeless in America live good lives in comparison to the dregs of society in other nations. America is one of the few nations to give even the laziest and idiotic fucktard opportunities to get out of the mess THEY created.

        But all you assholes want is something handed out on a platter. You idiots cry communism or socialism or more gov’t regulation while failing to open up a fucking history book and seeing how those thing have really fucked mankind over. 

        I’m not affected by ideology. I look at empirical data. 

        • Anarchy Pony | Aug 11, 2012 at 9:27 pm |

          Well it’s nice and cute that you know how to recite right wing talking points, but it’s utterly divorced from the real world of dispossession, colonialism, expropriation of the surplus value created by labor, ignores the way capitalists did everything they possibly could to sabotage any alternatives to their system, ignores the reality of sustainability, as well as the fact that capitalism cannot exist without the state intervention by this nebulous boogeyman of “government”. 
  section D.1.4 pertaining to state intervention in relation to capitalism.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 10:05 pm |

            This has nothing to do with politics what I’m talking about. It has everything to do with a system that has the ability to allow everyone to prosper and capitalism is that system. There is no other system on earth now that can remotely match what this system has produced and accomplished.  

            Wow you sent me to a link with exactly what I was talking bout. I am in favor of killing the state,but not capitalism. Not until a better system has been created. It will probably be an updated form of capitalism. Like voluntaryism, for example. 

            Fuck socialism and communism. Those things can only operate at subsistence level. It is an atrocity.

          • Anarchy Pony | Aug 11, 2012 at 10:37 pm |

            And yet you completely miss the point, capitalism cannot exist without state intervention. And capitalism does not have the ability to allow everyone to prosper, accumulation of capital and property into fewer and fewer hands is an inevitability, meaning the value and wealth created can only be accessed by fewer and fewer. And you still utterly ignore sustainability. 

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 10:58 pm |

            Wrong. It is the state that is preventing the full functioning of capitalism. Without the state, mankind would flourish as never before. It wouldn’t be perfect. But it would be a heck of alot better than this warped system that we have here. Whereby government is sustained by the capital of others,

            We don’t have capitalism. What we have is parasitism. And you guys are too blinded by shoddy arguments such as the ones presented above to see this reality.

          • mysophobe | Aug 12, 2012 at 3:39 am |

            Who will enforce contacts, defend patents, settle legal disputes, prevent fraud and abuse and maintain the financial infrastructure that allow capitalism to flourish in this new perfect government-free utopia? How will the legal entity called a corporation even exist without a slew of government provided protections, privileges and special rights to back it up?

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:26 am |

            Never used the word utopia at all in any my posts. Looking at this simple comments page proves utopia is impossible.

            That’s the whole point though. Decentralization of power and authority. Corporations will not exist as it does now. Instead there will be many small businesses that will coalesce to form networks or blocs. Preventing consolidation of power in any one monolithic institution as it exists now under crony aka state “capitalism”. Which allows business to become bloated, siphons money from those businesses and then prevents those invalid businesses from collapsing as they should.

            There will be police agencies, law agencies where people will have options as to what law agency and police(security agency) will protect their interests and their person. There will be choices and a massive reduction in state sponsored crime as the monopoly of the stat,e on force and law, will have been broken.

            I recommend this video:


          • mysophobe | Aug 12, 2012 at 10:56 am |

            Apologies for using the word utopia, maybe panacea would have been better. You seem to be saying that the decentralization of federal power and authority will somehow bring about the natural break up of multinational corporations and monopolies? Or are you saying that the fed would force this breakup? Is it simply the invisible hand and voting with our feet that will accomplish this? If you’re saying that we should abolish all government enforcement of corporate law and begin to make transactions on an individual basis then I suppose I could get on board, although that would certainly be the end of capitalism. I read enough about voluntaryism that I think I get the gist of it. More of the same libertarian dogmatic “drown the federal government in a bathtub watch us happily return to feudalism” belief system disguised as an economic philosophy. Thanks, but no thanks.

          • Anarchy Pony,

            you are one seriously confused individual 

          • Jin The Ninja | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:49 am |

            you kids and your copy/paste techniques. time to revamp my ninpo.

    • The Baffler | Aug 11, 2012 at 8:22 pm |

      So how far down your throat is Ayn Rand’s cock?

      • Anarchy Pony | Aug 11, 2012 at 8:46 pm |

        And you just know that thing was crooked.

        • Jin The Ninja | Aug 11, 2012 at 10:44 pm |

          a crooked right hook.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 12:26 am |

            Really you  both have seen Ayn Rand’s dick? Wow, there are alot of tranny lovers commenting here. Fantasizing about a known woman having a penis.

          • The Baffler | Aug 12, 2012 at 12:49 am |

            Is there some reason you think about Transexuals so much?

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:44 am |

            Is there some reason you’re an idiot and the first one to comment and make homosexual references?

          • The Baffler | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:46 am |

            Is there some reason you refuse to answer an honest and truthful question? How far is Ayn Rand’s cock down your throat?

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 3:11 am |

            Go eat a dick you stupid punk. As for answering your “question”. It’s like asking how deep is god in my heart?
            There is no god.

            So the answer to your question is Ayn Rand does not have a dick. But in your twisted imagination and fantasies she does, you sick demented fuck. 

            Go on Doctor Phil and help bolster Capitalism. He makes money helping out twisted nutjobs such as yourself.

          • The Baffler | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:23 am |

            How far is it down your throat?

            I realize Libertarians are stupid, but this isn’t a hard question. How far down is it?

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:35 am |

            AHAHHAAHAAHAA! Your’re crazy! Where did you pop out at your birth? from a vagina or a shit hole? it doesn’t matter. Whatever hole you popped out of resulted in permanent brain damage.You repeat questions like a ‘retard. A retard like you should not have internet access.

      • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 9:03 pm |

        Ayn Rand has a cock? I didn’t know she was a tranny please do tell.

        You guys really are dumb. Attacking capitalism when it has created the most prosperous nations on earth. It’s no conincidence that all the wealthiest nations are capitalist nations. Even nations that were not traditionally capitalist are booming. China, Brazil, Singapore, India, Hong Kong, even Russia has come to it’s senses. 

        But you’re an over privileged dumbass. So you attack the system that has given you opportunities to learn at least enough to hurl insults over the web. Idiot.

        • MoralDrift | Aug 11, 2012 at 9:15 pm |

          Capitalism will destroy the planet…and is only made possible through the exploitation of others. Capitalism doesnt exist without excess,thats why it really took off after the discovery of the new world and all that new “capital”. 

          Your arguments about luxury and whatnot are tired and old. We all know them and yes you are correct in that most of these luxuries and conveniences are the product of capitalist money lust. However, humanity is older than capitalism and we will find a way to manage things better or we will die. I’m pretty much over worrying about it now, because the choice is laid out for anyone to see…evolve or die.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 9:21 pm |

            Look up capitalism and then look up government. When you know the difference than come back to me. 

          • MoralDrift | Aug 11, 2012 at 9:35 pm |

            I’m not entirely sure how my comment confuses the concept of a body imbued with the capacity to rule through the use of force with an economic system based on constant growth and excess value

            Government certainly maintains the system but I never asserted they were the same. 

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 9:51 pm |

            You do equate them. Even if you don’t know it . Wow. Capitalism does encourage growth and excesses, the likes of which have never been produced. Unfortunately when you have a business (government) that decrees by ‘law’ that it has monopolistic access to the use of so-called ‘legitimate’ force aka police and law, then you have a really big problem.

            Capitalism allows everyone to grow and accumulate capital and wealth on an even playing field without any support to fall back on. ‘Government’ does not (see Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). A capitalist system could NEVER allow such monopolies and concentrations of wealth to be created let alone persist. Only a government that is outside the bounds of the rules it set would allow this.

          • MoralDrift | Aug 11, 2012 at 10:03 pm |

            I think you equate them, government is not business and existsed prior to business. 

            Whether or not governent monopoly of force is legitimate is another subject entirely. My primary argument against capitalism is that the accumulation of capital and the necessity to increase growth infinitely are not in line with the principles of nature and therefore, like all of mankinds fortifications…will crumble and in many cases crash the higher the edifice the greater the fall.

            Capitalists love to talk about the “facts of reality” and how the primacy of capitalism is due to natural laws. I would argue that infinite growth is in direct opposition to nature which typically renders equilibrium as soon as possible.

            Now, I anticipate you will argue that it is government which distorts the playing field and which permits these grotesque abominations to grow like malignant cancer…and I would say you might have a point. 

            However, considering we have yet to peer into a petri dish of pure unfettered capitalism without any government interference i’d say the point is moot and that we need to develop new resource management paradigms besides “let the perfect free market work”

          • ideology always gives way to opportunism
            the ability to game the system and benefit from that game
            is built into the system, any system
            to assume that game players will be altruistic and benevolent
            is unrealistic and has rarely happened in human history

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:39 am |

             any system
            to assume that game players will be 
            any system
            altruistic and benevolent 
            is unrealistic and has rarely happened in human history.
            I agree. And there will never be a society based on peace love goodness none of that false shit. People are not motivated by love, they are motivated by greed and survival. And any system that says otherwise has either dissolved or has wiped out millions of people under it gesture of “love” and righteous morality. This is why government is inherently invalid. It supposedly promoted peace and order but actually wreaks havoc and chaos.

          • Capitulism | Aug 12, 2012 at 2:27 am |

            When you say that people “are motivated by greed and survival” is not a problem. It is your personal view. 
            The problem however, that this view is at the foundation of neoclassical economics, which makes it amoral. And  promoting such a view under the name of science, makes it criminal. 

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 3:26 am |

            No this is not my “personal worldview” it is a fact of life.

            Although I don’t agrre with neolib economics. They have seen man for what it is. A being with the capacity for both good and evil, never for once fooling itself that it can “make” men “good”. Society coalesces spontaneously on the need for trade and when an individual can get what they want and various varieties and choices of that want or need.Then happiness  and contentedness is assured. Societies that talk about the greater good (governments use that motif) Always commit atrocity.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:39 am |

             any system
            to assume that game players will be 
            any system
            altruistic and benevolent 
            is unrealistic and has rarely happened in human history.
            I agree. And there will never be a society based on peace love goodness none of that false shit. People are not motivated by love, they are motivated by greed and survival. And any system that says otherwise has either dissolved or has wiped out millions of people under it gesture of “love” and righteous morality. This is why government is inherently invalid. It supposedly promoted peace and order but actually wreaks havoc and chaos.

          • Yeah, you’re getting things confused TOTTGIM. Ask, are you satisfied with what you need to live, or do you want more than you actually need? That is the true question here. That notion is a byproduct of capitalism. You can take nature, where other species use only what they need to get by. Whereas capitalism has imbued us with a need to obtain MORE, MORE. I can already see the response bubbling in your brain — but we’re not animals, we’re more than animals. Well, take into account that in utero, we all have tails until a specific point in the development process. It appears the human development of capitalism is actually the antithesis of the natural.

            Look up harmonious technology and then look up the industrial revolution and its societal reverberations, then come back to me.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 10:24 pm |

            I never said we weren’t animals. It is indubitable that we are animals. Looked up ‘harmonious technology.’ Meh Nothing special. Just some mystical crap. 

            Nothing in this world is perfect we needed an industrial revolution to get where we are today. What would prefer living in a fucking mud hut* or living in an air conditioned home. You tell me.

            *(before the industrial revolution most Europeans lived in homes that resembled little more than a mud hut, didn’t want you to think I was making a “racist” statement)* 

          • Jin The Ninja | Aug 11, 2012 at 11:00 pm |

            proponents of the industrial revolution loved wars, slavery and highly concentrated wealth. they hated things like human rights. but carry on.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 11:09 pm |

            That’s false. You do understand that people did with their own choice CHOOSE to work in those industries. They weren’t forced to do so. Even with all the pollution and crude technologies they chose that job. Probably because it was better to make money than starve, or toil in a farm for hours that would only provided meager subsistence.

            Oh and about the slavery part…you do know that the Industrial Revolution was responsible for the downfall of slavery in the South. Without industry and capitalism, neo-feudalism in the South would have reigned probably for more centuries more than it did. 

            Capitalists in the north produced better weapons had better infrastructure (railroad systems), so much so,that even with its inept military commanders it still one-upped the South.

            The state aka “government” was not interested in ending slavery. It wasn’t even Lincoln’s intention. Only the power of the economic system of capitalism obsoleted the plantation feudalism system in the South.

          • Jin The Ninja | Aug 12, 2012 at 11:33 am |

            child slaves in the industrial revolution and now- according you- CHOOSE to work in exploitative industries under threat of death or starvation if they did not comply?

          • Mike James, you are one seriously confused individual

          • You are on seriously confused individual

          • MoralDrift | Aug 12, 2012 at 12:33 am |

            care to enlighten me?

        • Jin The Ninja | Aug 11, 2012 at 10:53 pm |

           singapore has been capitalist since Lee Kuan Yew. fail.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 11:01 pm |

            Whoops, sue me. That explains why Singapore is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and a haven for wealthy entrepreneurs. 

          • Jin The Ninja | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:43 am |

            i’m singaporean you dolt. and singapore was never anything but capitalist- which was my point. that all the nations you listed save russia are EX-colonies. ‘haven’ for wealthy entrepreneurs does not denote singaporeans are wealthy. in fact nearly 50% live in subsidised housing as do hong kongers. brasil has one of the biggest wealth gaps in the developing world. keep shilling.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:42 am |

            Tell that to wealthy and predominantly well off inhabitants of those territories. Major fail. Capitalism has actually made up for any wealth that was indeed extracted from their lands. Major fail.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:42 am |

            Tell that to wealthy and predominantly well off inhabitants of those territories. Major fail. Capitalism has actually made up for any wealth that was indeed extracted from their lands. Major fail.

        • He wouldn’t be an over privileged dumbass but for capitalism.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 11:12 pm |

            I see what you did there…. he’s still a dumbass and horrendously misguided. BTW I never read anything by Rand.

          • Too bad, she occasionally makes a valid, insightful point.

          • Jin The Ninja | Aug 12, 2012 at 11:34 am |

             you should amend, ‘i’ve never read anything at all’ -it’s pretty obvious. anarcho-caps don’t believe in books or history right? google scholarship only i guess.

        • You have no idea of what you are talking about, Brazil’s economy under-performed for decades thanks to the policies of the IMF and the World Bank, it was only when a leftist assumed power that the country began to develop its real potential, not only on growth, but in major reduction of poverty and inequality. The same goes for Argentina, that went bankrupt under the auspices of Washington’s policies, and again it took a leftist government to take the country out of the hole. 

          Capitalism has already failed in many countries and continues to do so, only that now is affecting the developed countries as well, countries that cannot find new garbage to sell to a deeply unequal population in terms of economy; and don’t fool yourself, developed countries have been rich because of their brutality towards other countries, not because of any superiority of capitalism.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 11:25 pm |

            I lol’d

          • LOL

            You don’t even know about Lula and Kirchner, do you?

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 11:31 pm |

            Yeah I know about the president of Brazil so?. I still lol. If you don’t like capitalism go live in North Korea or Venezuela.

          • Former president, the leftist that took Brazil out of IMF and WB policies, do you understand that these are facts that show your complete ignorance not only regarding Brazil, but regarding actual capitalist and socialist policies?

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 11:43 pm |

            I lol’d again. Socialism is probably the worst economic system in the world. When you type up socialism in google you get a photo of Stalin, Lenin and Guevara, right there in the search page. Nuff said. 

          • Do you even know what a mixed economy is or do you get all your education from google? that you can only think of economical models in terms of extremes is just sign of idiocy, it doesn’t have to be North Korea (which has more a feudal economy, than a socialist one) or the US, there is plenty of space in between. Is funny how people like you complain about Cuba, while their country, being poor and subjected to economical and political warfare from your government for over 50 years, has universal healthcare, and the US, the “richest” country in the world, has 50 million of its own people without coverage, the progress of capitalism, I guess.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 12:13 am |

            I lol’d again. “Universal healthcare” doesn’t mean good healthcare. And before you say at least they have healthcare, I didn’t know that lying on a bed for hours and getting shoddy medical procedures done constituted “healthcare”.

          • How sad you Yankees are, I mean it must be great believing America is so great and everywhere else is a hell hole, unfortunately (for you) reality says otherwise. Your lack of education can be forgiven, the USA does have one of the worst educational systems in the developed world.

          • If you want to get specific I believe Brazil’s economy was mostly reformed by complex currency manipulations that reigned in rampant inflation and brought faith back into their currency. I’m not so sure it was a left-right issue.

          • No, it was by helping the conditions of the poor with different social programs, increasing the middle class and therefore the general economy, investing in research, and again, getting rid of the WB and the IMF and their destructive policies of privatization of everything, lack of sovereignty to bend over to corporations, and unregulated plundering.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:40 am |

            The reason why I lol’d

          • I bet you cannot even locate Brazil on a map.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:55 am |

            Nope. I’ll look it up on google now so if I ever do come across a map I’ll be able to locate it.

          • Cheap to get an education by google, isn’t? someday you should read a book, you know, to complement.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 2:00 am |

            Internet is future. I need no books. Books cost money and weigh too much. All information on the internet is free. Just need a bullshit meter to navigate through all the bullshit. And boy I tell ya the net is filled with bullshit. And you’re adding on to it!

          • No, you don’t need to tell that you don’t need books, IS OBVIOUS!

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 2:04 am |

            IT’S obvious, not IS obvious. Before you criticize someone, learn basic rules of grammar.

          • At least I can communicate in a foreign language, how many languages do you know?

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 2:26 am |

            Really?!! Hi five!

          • Haha at least you have a sense of humor.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:40 am |

            The reason why I lol’d

        • The Baffler | Aug 12, 2012 at 12:17 am |

          My question was valid and has yet to be addressed. 

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 12:21 am |

            Your a tranny fantasizing loving faggot. (Nothing wrong with that, as everybody has their own “tastes”) As obviously Ayn Rand was a woman who did not have a cock. Dumabass.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 12:23 am |

            Oh and I might ask how far is Stalin, Lenin, and Mao’s cock down your throat? I didn’t read anything by Rand. But apparently her family left Russia to escape the atrocity that was communism.

          • The Baffler | Aug 12, 2012 at 12:48 am |

            My question was valid and has yet to be addressed. Personal attacks are the last vestige of a lost debate. Bye.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:26 am |

            Still the only one to make a homosexual reference when clearly there was none. I know what type of person you are, Good riddance. 

          • The Baffler | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:47 am |

            How far is Ayn Rand’s cock down your throat?

            Your repeated evasions of answering this question make me believe the tip is poking out of your anus.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:50 am |

            Wow dude you’re a first rate troll. You’re actually giving me a good laugh and much needed break from the seriousness of this debate. I’ll just ignore you and your faggotry. 

          • The Baffler | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:21 am |

            Answer my question. How far?

        • “It’s no coincidence that all the wealthiest nations are capitalist nations”

          True, Also:

          It’s no coincidence that all the fattest people are the glutenous people.

        • Andrew Yoder | Aug 12, 2012 at 2:29 am |

          Capitalism, I agree, had created the most wealth.  Does anyone actually disagree with that?  The problem is, the wealth it creates has historically always ended up consolidated into fewer and fewer hands.  So far, there’s no capitalist society that has not gone down this path.  For some reason – and I’m not sure what those reasons are – Capitalism has so far never been an “equal opportunity employer.”  That’s not what history has shown us to date.  So the dream that every person is born into a capitalist society and has the same opportunity for prosperity if the simply work hard has never been realized.  Instead, the longer capitalist societies exist, the greater and greater the division between a tiny minority of super-haves and a sea of.. not only “have nots” but do not even have a tenth of a shot at being a have because of innate inequality in the system.  Perhaps there will one day be a capitalist society/economy that really does “get it right.”  But it certainly is not the United States, or China or anyone else on the scene today.  This current giants of capitalism are spiraling out of control and an unsustainable rate with fewer and fewer and fewer people reaping the rewards, no matter how hard anyone works or tries.  So, it seems completely fair to ask the question:  is capitalism the best system, and/or is another better way even possible?  

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 2:38 am |

            The government is the problem. Why can’t people see this? The government is like a parent corporation to the corporations we purchase from. However, the government produces nothing, or whatever it produces is of low quality AND it leeches off of companies that do great business and work. Government is interfering with capitalism.

            Contrary to popular belief that government is the one upholding capitalism or “regulating” capitalism, it is the government that is deteriorating and warping Capitalism. Who is regulating the regulator?

            We need a new economic approach that is fairer, more equal, VOLUNTARY, while still maintaining the prosperity and growth of capitalism. Growth does not necessarily mean expansionism. It also means efficiency and productivity in cleaner and cheaper ways.

    • Capitalism is a transitional paradigm. It has(had?) its uses but it has never been a permanent solution. Of course many wonders have come of it, but it is limited in its scope. You say it is the greatest system, but miss the caveat that it is only the greatest system we have currently. Of course, there is always the possibility that the greatest invention we have created is still not good enough. You turn to other flawed systems and define all your enemies as those(socialists, communists, etc.) but really people only see that the current system is faulty; you don’t need to know the solution to see that there is a problem.

      • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:48 am |

        The other systems are not my enemies they are empirically theoretically and practically invalid. They have all been tested on the soil of the earth and capitalism remains, albeit in a deformed state as the government hampers it. This is a testament to the strength of the system that it is able to survive government influence and corruption. Communism and socialism could not survive the inherent corruption of a government.

  2. Capitulism | Aug 11, 2012 at 11:25 pm |

    No need in any arguments. Just stop printing money and providing state services. Let capitalism rule. You  will see what will happen to capitalism. Sticks and stones would be the most necessary tools for survival in primitive barter economy.

  3. Capitulism | Aug 11, 2012 at 11:42 pm |

    Why capitalism “works” only in very few countries? Why people oppose capitalism, if it so good and natural, as proponents say? May be because capitalism is only an illusion?

    • The only thing to get is money | Aug 11, 2012 at 11:46 pm |

      No that’s because people naturally want something to blame for their troubles in this world. In socialist countries socialism is criticized, in communist countries, that system is criticized. Every system that man has developed has been criticized. However, capitalism is different from those systems by the wealth and opportunity it has produced. 

      Socials and Communism and other visions of society are severely lacking and heinous.

      • Capitulism | Aug 11, 2012 at 11:56 pm |

        You never heard that people in capitalist countries criticize capitalism? Because you are not a worker or farmer. Your job is to promote capitalism here, and you are paid by capitalists. I wonder if you produced anything material.

        • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 12:17 am |

          What the hell are you talking about. Paid by capitalist? I’m just a regular dude here. Refuting the bullshit of others. Also, capitalism doesn’t exist only parasitism  Business create fantastic growth and produce fantastic products for consumers. And the government (the parasite) leeches off of that wealth. Thereby creating huge monopolies on force and law. That’s why it will be impossible to “overthrow the government” short of building an army. A well armed army.

      • MoralDrift | Aug 12, 2012 at 3:17 am |

        any use of the term ‘heinous’ always gets a laugh out of me…i just love that word

  4. DeepCough | Aug 12, 2012 at 12:45 am |

    It is not Capitalism that is tyrannical anymore than it was Communist that was tyrannical: for it was both that were merely banners for militaristic industrialism.

  5. Capitulism | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:24 am |

    I was born and lived in USSR. Now I live for 20 years in so-called capitalist free market economy. Because I can compare two systems on personal experience I have something to say about capitalism. 
    Fuck capitalism! Fuck Milton Friedman! Fuck  Shock therapy! Fuck neo-liberals! Fuck neoclassical economics! Fuck all dismal criminals! How many people died after their capitalist reforms in misery, from drugs and alcohol! More than Stalin killed! Every economist who draws curves on a blackboard proving efficiency of capitalism, foreign investment, liberalism, privatization, austerity is killing innocent people in a far country. How many people around the world died as a result of neoliberal reforms? How dare you teach me that capitalism is best! How dare you tell me that socialism was a tyranny? We had morals, education, healthcare, science and we were happy! Even during the “collapse” of the socialist system, how many new factories, hospitals, schools had been built in USSR. Almost nothing has been built in period of fucking capitalism, only destruction of industries and growth of casinos. 
    Now people are dying in a misery. Look yourself at growth rates across former USSR countries for 20 years and compare with tyrannical times. Figures tell more than words!  Socialism was not that you were taught in school. 

    • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 1:28 am |

      AHHAHHAHAAHAAA! Clearly you are a nutjob and in need of psychological help.

    •  But the marketing and public relations is so much better under capitalism. The industry of lies knows no equals like it does under the auspices of capitalism. Propaganda not as daily pronouncements or weekly updates and five year plans but propaganda in every waking moment via every imaginable source, your wear it, you stare at it on packaging, it’s boomed from radios very minute of the day, entertainment content is now totally saturated in it, on the road in signs, billboards, taxis, buses, other cars. Screaming at you over and over and over, a never ending tirade of greed, selfishness, ego, showing off and gloating over others.
      The psychopath and narcissist insanity, to celebrate the preying upon each other.
      The genetic cerebral dysfunction of a parasitic minority given dominance by the insanity of capitalism not since the dark ages has it had such dominance and guess where we are heading and we have the technology to give extinction a real solid chance.

    • Correct me if i am wrong, but i think Stalin killed millions of people directly and then some more by neglect.

  6. any system and any ism is really a game
    there are the the rules of the game
    some you can bend, some you can break
    the problem is the systems and the isms
    they can be exploited by a few at the expense of the many

    Fill your bowl to the brim
    and it will spill.
    Keep sharpening your knife
    and it will blunt.
    Chase after money and security
    and your heart will never unclench.
    Care about people’s approval
    and you will be their prisoner.

    Do your work, then step back.
    The only path to serenity.

    • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 2:11 am |

      Please stop emulating the tao. It’s sickening, and mankind does not function that way.

      •  LOL datz a good one, thanks

        • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 2:16 am |

          I literally vomited a little when you wrote:

          “Do your work, then step back.The only path to serenity.”

          No. that is not reality. Reality is sometimes harsh, brutal and violent and at other times pleasant but there is NEVER serenity or any permanent state of tranquility. Mankind is a violent flux. It has always been so and will forever be so.

          •  LOL, if it makes you vomit
            I’ll have to do it more often
            thanks for the tip
            oh &
            you’re free to live in any reality you’d like
            happy puking

            Empty your mind of all thoughts.
            Let your heart be at peace.
            Watch the turmoil of beings,
            but contemplate their return.

            Each separate being in the universe
            returns to the common source.
            Returning to the source is serenity.

            If you don’t realize the source,
            you stumble in confusion and sorrow.
            When you realize where you come from,
            you naturally become tolerant,
            disinterested, amused,
            kindhearted as a grandmother,
            dignified as a king.
            Immersed in the wonder of the Tao,
            you can deal with whatever life brings you,
            and when death comes, you are ready.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 2:45 am |

            Cool story. It rivals the fairy tales that I was told as child.

          • The Baffler | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:36 am |

            It only rivals how far Ayn Rand’s cock is down your throat.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:36 am |


          • The Baffler | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:41 am |

            How far?

      • MoralDrift | Aug 12, 2012 at 3:20 am |

        i’d say its from historical truths that these principles were derived…

        do your best to cultivate yourself, and stay away from the emperors, demagogues, charlatans..etc

        • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 3:48 am |

          look how well “historical truths” have served mankind. Every war of the last century and back was due to nationalism or religiosity. Unfortunately, those creaky remnants of the past remain. I follow no path, let alone a “spiritual path”.

          The emperor, demagogue, and charlatan is of more use than a sage because they reflect and show the world for what it is. A shit hole that has to be cleaned.  

          It is through bullshit that we learn how to clean ourselves of it.

      • zombieslapper | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:44 am |

        If only because small-minded, unimaginative losers like you exist.

        • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:45 am |

          Oh that insult touched me. AHAHAA! I much prefer the faggotry of the Baffler aka the cock sucker.

          • The Baffler | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:55 am |

            Ayn Rand came, and you swallowed the whole load you whore.

          • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:56 am |

            Ahh! The fantasies are becoming more elaborate a grave sign of neurosis. 

  7. Stoppedby | Aug 12, 2012 at 3:26 am |

    Another argument for elimination of capitalism is elimination of neoclassical economics who back it up and brainwash students and policymakers. The reason for it is that neoclassical economists produce nothing but charge money for their illusory ideas. They can not explain reality, they can not even explain their own existence in this world of capitalism, far from being called perfect. 
    Just would be interesting to look at them, unemployed, and blaming for it government’s setting too high wages above equilibrium, and we would call them “preferring leisure”. 

  8. zombieslapper | Aug 12, 2012 at 4:48 am |

    Guys who use the word faggot every ten seconds are usually the closet.

  9. “The only thing to get is money” is another argument to eliminate capitalism

    • The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 5:01 am |

      Go ahead any of you are welcome to eliminate it. I wanna see some shit like that!

  10. The only thing to get is money | Aug 12, 2012 at 5:13 am |

    You guys are all delusional and living in a fantasy world. All of you want to remove capitalism and replace it with what? The fairy tale world in your fucking heads?!!!!! At least I have a viable alternative to make the system better, and realize that the state aka “government”is merely a glorified faith/religion. Wow. I would have never believed it before, but there really are ‘sheeple’. This is prime evidence.

    Well good luck to all of you, I have said my piece, and we will see how the theories in men and women’s heads play out in the real world. All of you will be sorely saddened and mistaken of course.

    • “At least I have a viable alternative to make the system better”
      Please elaborate, otherwise you’re just writing about the fairy tale world in your own fucking head. You say you’ve said your piece, yet all I’ve seen from you on this article is call someone a faggot? Was that all you had to say? You’re hardly a paragon for capitalism my friend.

  11. Howard Brazee | Aug 12, 2012 at 9:08 am |

    One can make the same argument about capitalism that people defending communism make – a variation of the No True Scotsman argument.

    When a CEO of a big company gets wealthy whether or not the company is becoming more valuable to the stockholders, it isn’t  capitalism.    It is cronyism.    Capitalists buying stock in big companies have virtually zero say.

    And when those companies find it cheaper and easier to buy politicians than to pay their full costs for their impact on the planet and society, their decisions are warped. 

  12. I’ll discuss what MIX of socialism and capitalism I think is necessary (and I do think a bit of each is necessary) as soon as people agree on whether socialism is government ownership of means of production or worker ownership of means of production.  And whether government ownership of means of production is socialism or state capitalism.

    Oh, and as soon as people stop talking about Ayn Rand’s penis and accusing each other of homosexuality like it’s a bad thing.

  13. I’m sorry to say that I have to agree with those 6 intrinsic aspects of capitalism. Especially the dependence on growth. On this earth, everything is finite. If you don’t have it, you have to take it away from someone else, either through stealing or war. We have a very long way before we get over this and evolve, though I doubt that we will.

  14. There is something very wrong with the current system, but i am reluctant to consider things like communism because i see them as a concentration of power that could be abused. I like the idea of each person being able to make its way/lot in life, but i also see that capitalism depends on constant growth, and has developed concepts like planned obsolescence, which are pure filth. Sometimes i flirt with the idea of having capitalism without usury or any kind of interest, which might get rid of the need for constant growth. And sometimes i flirt with the idea that “growth” could be steered towards other kinds of things like massages. 🙂

  15. Is there anyone commenting that owns a corporation? Or any type of business?

    If so, what are you doing to alter the current and future course of our economic trajectory?

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