So We Did Land on it Then

Check out some grainy satellite imagery of US flags that astronauts planted on the moon surface back in the 1960s & 70s. The video footage is as visually crisp & clear as photographs of the face on Mars.

Via Sky News:
Shadows cast by five of the six US flags put up in the 1960s and 1970s are visible on the surface of the Moon as it spins around the Sun.

The remaining flag – planted by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin during the first Moon landing in 1969 – was knocked over as the Apollo 11 craft began ascending from the surface.

Mark Robinson, an investigator with the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC), said: “From the LROC it is now certain that the American flags are still standing and casting shadows at all of the sites, except Apollo 11.

Read more at Sky News.

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  • cakeypig

    The flags could have been dropped from orbit by robots.

    • chinagreenelvis

      Yes, that’s much easier to do than send people. As a matter of fact, just the other day, I was thinking about how awesome it is that we use robots to build houses and not people, that we use them to drive our cars and fight our wars.

      • cakeypig

        I think you may have your sarcasm detector switched off, though I can see that your sarcasm creator is in fine form.

  • Tchoutoye

    If you look closely, you can see the black dots of the dune buggy’s gas station and McDonald’s drive-thru.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    whether they landed or not
    has no impact or bearing on my life in any way

    whether or not they lied matters
    only if you think those lying cocksuckers ever tell the truth about anything

    • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

      Sadly, their credibility is so poor that I’m skeptical of any statement they make and immediately suspect the opposite.

      I think the only people left believing their shit are the ones who desperately need to.

      • Calypso_1

        Then one is forced, in one sense, into a Liar’s Paradox – Which does indeed underlie a great deal of the nature of paranoia & conspiracy theory.  

        • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

          You’re right, as usual.

          Some people don’t deal well with large amounts of uncertainty (I won’t name any alternative radio hosts, though I could), but I’m ok with it.

          Or at least I’ve learned to be.

          My set of “beliefs” is surprisingly small, though I do provisionally adopt a huge number of conventions in order to function.

          The only uncertainty I seem to struggle with is that attendant to the outcome of whatever task is at hand.

          I’ve not yet mastered the ole “Work without lust for result.”

          • Calypso_1

            “The only uncertainty I seem to struggle with is that attendant to the outcome of whatever task is at hand.”

            : ) 

            Don’t pray for the rain to stop.
            Pray for good luck fishing
            when then river floods.

  • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire
    • http://2012diaries.blogspot.com tristan eldritch

      Watching that clip, I wish a literal storm of excrement would hit Bart Sibrel smack in the face.  This cretinous goon can find nothing better to do with his time than harassing elderly men who have achieved more with their lives than he ever will in his taxicab, asking them to swear on a mass-produced collection of outdated parables and monotheistic gibberish that his ineptly argued and patently unconvincing conspiracy theory isn’t true.  Watching the clip where Buzz Aldrin’s fist lands on this pitiful mouth-breather’s face is almost as satisfying as the clip where we land on the moon.

      • Camron Wiltshire

        So did you happen to notice Aldrin and the other Apollo 11 astronauts manipulating a mask/stencil in front of the rear window to make the earth appear to be further away than it actually was?  Pretty convincing argument is made for reappraisal when you see the astronauts caught red handed doing cheap camera tricks like that don’t you think?  

        • Camron Wiltshire

          http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/55246835#pm_cmp=vid_OEV_P_PWhat Better video, sorry they have an edited version on the previous film, it is just the start of the evidence mentioned above.

        • Calypso_1

          So not only are you now a SC, you’re back on the fake moon landing thing.  Have you ever considered the source of these derealization episodes is connected to the chemtrails you are inhaling?

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Care to discuss the evidence?  You do see 3 astronauts obviously performing low budget (by todays standards) camera tricks in the back of the spacecraft do you not?  

            Did you watch the video? Why on earth would they feel the need to create such an optical effect unless they wanted to mislead?  It’s clear in the footage that they have used a mask to create the illusion of being half way to the moon when in fact moments later it is revealed that they are in low earth orbit.How do you explain this?  This is the footage I am referencing for the sake of clarity.http://www.myspace.com/video/v… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… 

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire
          • Calypso_1

            Oh but I was. 
            Denial it is then.

            Just be sure when you use the ol’ One, Two of Bilderberg, Building 7; follow up with the uppercut of FAKE MOON LANDING!
              
            Buzz will never see it coming. 

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Hahaha, again, did you watch the video?  It’s pretty obvious their is chicanery afoot.  What is your opinion of the evidence presented?  

            I think Buzz outs himself with his behavior once confronted with the footage above.  The whole thing is fishy.  

            I think we did eventually visit the moon, I just don’t believe in the “official” story of Apollo 11.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            I don’t see anywhere where you have addressed this evidence.  Therefore your statement of denial is self reflective.

          • BrianApocalypse

             I don’t see what the issue is with this video at all.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            At first you see a tiny blue dot, the Earth, then you see a flood light inside the cabin and Michael Collins coming into view, as the mask is slipped away, notice the light source from outside is massive and is the Earth reflecting sun light demonstrating they simulated distance through use of a mask over the window to cut out a tiny Earth.  Once it is removed you can clearly see the massive scale of the planet denoting they are only in near earth orbit.  Now this happens on 7/19 I believe when they are supposed to be half way to the moon.  Why on earth would they do such a thing if they didn’t have to risk it?  Keep in mind none of the Astronauts had seen this footage and even Buzz Aldrin asks him, how is it that you have this footage and no one else does??  Please watch again and think about it.

          • gelikeasics

            back in 05, there were northern lights in az, me and my best friend noticed them. at first we didn’t recognize what they were, but as it came apparent we pointed it out to other people we were with. all but one saw them, they one guy saying over and over “I dont see anything” and shaking his head. me and my friend looked at each other and silently knew to enjoy the spectacle while it lasted. many signs that year…

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Perfect.  Thank your or sharing gelikeasics.  

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Calypso you are such a tease, you ask the question but stop short of the threshold…  I’m curious how you will spin this.  Either pretend it doesn’t exist or launch into a non sequitur?  Perhaps an admission of the validity of such an anomalous paradigm?  Inquiring minds want to know ;)

    • gelikeasics
  • lifobryan

    Trying to get the hang of story submission – so please bear with me if I’ve linked or uploaded something stupidly….

    This story stood out to me because:

    1 – the moon fascinates me and I love looking at pictures of it

    2 – certain folks point to the grainy, smudgy, indistinct images of flags, etc as incontrovertible evidence that the moon landing could not possibly have been a hoax

    3 – the same certain folks point to grainy, smudgy images of ‘ancient architecture’ on Mars, and say “how could anyone possibly think those are artificial structures?”

    4 – in one case, NASA provides a grainy rorschach smudge of proof, and in another, a grainy rorschach smudge of denial.

    Cue Mr. Spock: “A fascinating contradictio, Captain.”

    • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

      I agree with your assessment.  Expected pattern of behavior from Never A Straight Answer.
      Please watch the clip below and the entire “Astronauts Gone Wild” and let us know what you think. 

    • feint_ruled

       That’s an interesting view on it, to be sure. But I would point out the difference – for ancient structures, the discovery of the smudges came first. For the flags, NASA are saying “well we landed on the moon and left flags, maybe if we look hard enough we can see them.”
      They knew where exactly to look for the flags, they didn’t just scour the moon for shadows and say that those must be the flags.

    • Nephilim

       Welcome Python fan!

      • lifobryan

        Thanks! Glad you got the reference!

    • BrianApocalypse

       This perspective goes the other way around too, of course.

      - certain folks point to the grainy, smudgy, indistinct images of flags, etc as evidence that the moon landings were a hoax.

      - Some of those same people point to grainy, smudgy, indistinct images of artifacts on Mars and claim they are evidence of ancient structures.

      • lifobryan

        Absolutely – that what I was indirectly getting at with this post.

        Full disclosure – I don’t think the moon landing was faked, and a coverup of something like that would be incredibly difficult to maintain. However, it’s really fun to entertain the possibilities. 

        Also – I really WANT to believe that there are ancient structures on Mars. 

        My blurry point was that we can look at any grainy image and see what we want to believe. 

        When I see the smudgy photos of Cydonia, one part of me acknowledges the rorschach phenomenon of seeing what I want to see. But another part of me gasps in awe and says, “My god, WHAT IF ????”

        • BrianApocalypse

          Well I pretty much agree with you. I too would like there to be ancient structures on Mars etc, but I’ve become extremely weary of the ‘conspiracy speculation industry’.

          I think you’ve described part of the appeal of conspiracy theory there. The consideration of what is essentially fiction as if it might just possibly be real. It’s easy to say it’s harmless speculation etc, but for some people it transcends into actual belief, especially if it is presented to them in such a way in the first place, as most conspiracy theory is. Richard Hoagland, for example, doesn’t present his ideas as speculation, he states them with certainty.

          Fox Mulder’s “I Want To Believe” poster in the X-Files always made me feel uncomfortable. I liked the guy and I wanted him to be right, but this statement of his reality-tunnel always made me think he wasn’t objective.

          • Calypso_1

            The conspiracy industry is, in so many ways, the same form of fictional entertainment as ‘reality shows’.

          • BrianApocalypse

            I call it the “Blair Witch Effect.” Up until quite recently, the Blair
            Witch Project was the biggest profit-making movie of all time, because
            it had a minuscule
            budget with the attendance of a blockbuster movie. The reason for its
            massive success was that, when it came out, people thought it was real.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Like the moon landings eh ;)

          • Calypso_1

            I hadn’t given it any thought, but the reality TV industry did explode immediately after the unparalleled success of the Blair Witch Project.  I wouldn’t doubt if the entertainment moguls took notice in a big way.

  • The Baffler

    Of course we landed on it. Anyone who denies we did has no appreciation for the Human mind.

    • Margaret

       I agree.  Not EVERYTHING is a “conspiracy”.  I think it is healthy to question many things but  I think some folks really are reaching.  Regardless of how messed up the US and world leaders can be. Regardless of whatever NASA means, I do believe that there are many things that Humans have done.  Humans are smart (at times) and ingenious and have all the qualities to achieve incredible things.  

      I think it is too convoluted to speculate that we didn’t go to the moon and never went to the moon and it was all just a big Hollywood hoax.  Come on….

      I am really disappointed that an increasing amount of people are discounting this.  I think it is part of the poisoned world view that says “don’t trust anything” and don’t think that humans are smart enough to do something like go to the moon….

  • D8nger

    you dildo! that picture and information is old. put new articles. and by
    the way that picture so absurd. yeah like the little astronauts are
    going walk around dragging their feet. obvious signs of airbrushing. but
    i guess you have proved yourself to be sheep. Whats leftest crackpot doing claiming this site is alternative media. fool!

  • D8nger

    you dildo! that picture and information is old. put new articles. and by
    the way that picture so absurd. yeah like the little astronauts are
    going walk around dragging their feet. obvious signs of airbrushing. but
    i guess you have proved yourself to be sheep. Whats leftest crackpot doing claiming this site is alternative media. fool!

    • Matt Staggs

      D8nger, I’ve seen your complaints that someone is deleting your comments to support some kind of agenda. You should know that there has been some kind of problem with the moderation system and we’re trying to fix it. No one is deleting yours, or anyone else’s posts. That being said, if we ever start, it’ll be with comments insulting our posters. If you can’t refrain from name-calling then I strongly encourage you to go elsewhere.

      • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

        Of course, what you just said is exactly the lie you’d want to tell if you were deleting posts and didn’t want anyone to know.

        “I didn’t delete that post from the guy who said I prefer Marmite over Vegemite, so I sure wouldn’t delete posts which conflict with my ideas about which type of Reptoid Lady GaGa really is.”

        Just sayin… 

        • Matt Staggs

          I just saw the first line of your post in my email, and I rolled my eyes so hard they nearly popped out of my skull…then I got here and read the rest. Thanks for the much-needed laugh. Incidentally, “Straggler from Atlantis” is one of my favorite Manly Wade Wellman short stories. 

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

            I’ll be sure to check it out.

    • Nephilim

       Uh, actually.  If you read the books of Richard C. Hoagland – the Face on Mars guy – who is a former NASA member, the whole “didn’t land on the Moon” conspiracy is discussed at length.  According to Hoagland it was originally released before a NASA press conference inside NASA. 

      Now Richard was present when this happened and according to him a guy showed up where all the reporters were gathered – invitation/pass access only – and passed out the information to the reporters.  What was weird is that this fella didn’t have any ID on him, not even the required press pass.  So how did he get past security?

      Richard explained that he felt it was misdirection, and If I remember right there was some other problem going on with NASA and the press that he thought the “didn’t land on the Moon” theory was meant to alleviate.  I wish I could remember what that problem was but it has been years since I read his books and I have since become separated from them through relocating some 3000 miles, the books didn’t make the trip.

      And anyway, why ya gotta be so crude and rude?  Me thinks you have listened to too much Alex Jones sir.  He had that effect on me too, until I gave him up for less reactionary investigators.

      Maybe you should try reading some Greg Palast.  Not so negative and produces tangible results instead of screaming at his audience and producing fear, fear and more fear.

      • BrianApocalypse

         I would consider almost anything Richard Hoagland has to say with the utmost skepticism.

    • lifobryan

      You use the word “dildo” like it’s a bad thing ….?

  • D8nger

    why you delete my comments? only show comments that you agree with! 

  • Xinterix

    my comment actually raises a good point. NASA has been known to airbrush thinks all the time, they have even been whisleblowers who exposed this practice. so don’t delete my comments

  • http://twitter.com/jasonpaulhayes jasonpaulhayes

    Ask Buzz Aldrin if he landed on the moon… I dare you.

  • rus Archer

    we?

    • lifobryan

      The “we” is the Royal We. 

      The lunar module, viewed from nearly any angle, conforms to the EXACT contour of Queen Elizabeth, from the shoulders up. 

  • Dueyv9

    Thats why we only have footage for the one and only landing. They couldn’t fake it over and over. Why did they stop going back rather than dominating, harvesting and claiming the land like America always does?

    • BrianApocalypse

       What are you talking about? There is footage of every landing!

      • Calypso_1

        ….I was enjoying letting that one hang out there in all its glory.

        • BrianApocalypse

           Haha maybe I should have. Like some bizarre organic anomaly we can all point at in awe and say, “Look, how the hell did THAT evolve?”

          • Calypso_1

            I wonder if people who are ensconced in this level of ignorance can appreciate that in part, rather than being liberated from lies, they are caught up in propaganda fueled by other powers as inimical to truth as their own government.

  • Tchoutoye

    What I find remarkable is that NASA scientists speak of overcoming technical difficulties (such as protecting astronauts from radiation, micro-meteorites and temperature fluctuations that are both extreme and rapid) of a new manned moon mission, and that apparently these problems won’t be solved in the coming ten years or more, even if they wanted to.

    Contrast that with the state of the art technology of the 1960s, primitive by our contemporary standards and lacking any prior experience, which, by sheer resolve to overcome the gap with the Soviets in the space race, overcame such challenges in merely eight years.

    It’s like all that technology and know-how of the Apollo program has not only been lost (probably in the very same elusive boxes as the original footage and flight data recordings), but also cannot be reproduced after 45 years of technological advancement.

    • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

      Well said and reasoned.  It’s funny, certain topics and anachronisms make the main liners positively shit themselves in denial of even the possibility, never mind the accruing evidence or unlikeliness of such gratuitous graces.

  • uncle gilly

    No ” we” didn’t, but my memories are that it was a popular mini series at the time with ups, downs, and cheesy effects. Like the blast off from the moon surface, even at 8 I thought Jesus, Thunderbirds has better effects. and they did.

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