Is Hell For Real?

William-Adolphe Bouguereau (1825-1905) - Dante And Virgil In Hell (1850)Frank Schaeffer asks some “experts” for CNN:

Is it any coincidence that the latest war of religion that started on September 11, 2001, is being fought primarily between the United States and the Islamic world? It just so happens that no subgroups of humanity are more ingrained with the doctrine of hell than conservative Muslims and conservative Christians.

And nowhere on earth have conservative Christians been closer to controlling foreign policy than here in the United States. And nowhere on earth have conservative Muslims been more dominant than in the countries from which the 9/11 extremists originated – Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.

What a pair George W. Bush and Osama bin Laden made! On the one hand, an American president who was a born-again evangelical with a special “heart” for the state of Israel and its importance to the so-called end times, and on the other hand a terrorist leader who believed that he was serving God by ridding the Arabian Peninsula of an American presence and cleansing the “defiled” land of Palestine of what he believed were “invader Jews.”

So whether you’re an atheist or not, the issue of who’s going to hell or not matters because there are a lot of folks on this planet – many of them extraordinarily well-armed – from born-again American military personnel to Muslim fanatics, who seriously believe that God smiles upon them when they send their enemies to hell…

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  • http://twitter.com/stonemirror David Schlesinger

    “It just so happens that no subgroups of humanity are more ingrained with
    the doctrine of hell than conservative Muslims and conservative
    Christians.”

    Heh. You need to read up more on Taoism and Chinese and Japanese Buddhism. They’ve got stuff that makes the Christian Hell look like a playground.

  • http://twitter.com/stonemirror David Schlesinger

    “It just so happens that no subgroups of humanity are more ingrained with
    the doctrine of hell than conservative Muslims and conservative
    Christians.”

    Heh. You need to read up more on Taoism and Chinese and Japanese Buddhism. They’ve got stuff that makes the Christian Hell look like a playground.

    • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

      yeah, but the difference is
      they don’t take it literally or seriously
      most Asians, if they think about it at all,
      will try to avoid the hell of being reborn as a cockroach
      before they worry about Yama and hell

      • Anti-Crowley

        You don’t get over to Asia much do you Buzz?

        • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

          Not much, I’ve only lived in Asia for the last 5 years.
          Mostly in Thailand & China.
          And you?

  • Lalla

    Seriously? Your cultural and religious education is lacking and your premise is erroneous. Did you even Google “hell” before coming up with this? Did you even think about it for 5 minutes?

    How about watching “Big Trouble in Little China” – even something as cheesy as that recognizes that the Chinese are big on the idea of hell. 

  • Lalla

    Seriously? Your cultural and religious education is lacking and your premise is erroneous. Did you even Google “hell” before coming up with this? Did you even think about it for 5 minutes?

    How about watching “Big Trouble in Little China” – even something as cheesy as that recognizes that the Chinese are big on the idea of hell. 

    • Ohthosemuslims

      Hipsters don’t need knowlege Lalla! Fact checking? pfffft! I was spewing yellow journalism before it was cool.

      • Matt Staggs

        I’d love to be young enough to be considered a hipster.

    • Matt Staggs

      I think that you may be confused regarding the author of this particular article. “Majestic” provided an excerpt from a piece written by CNN. Notice the use of quotes around “experts” in the sentence preceding the excerpt.

    • Matt Staggs

      I think that you may be confused regarding the author of this particular article. “Majestic” provided an excerpt from a piece written by CNN. Notice the use of quotes around “experts” in the sentence preceding the excerpt.

      • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

        Yeah, when I first read this one I too was originally left with the impression that Majestic had offered up the offending passage.

        But, being surprised at such an obvious mistake, I re-read and realized that CNN was the culprit.

      • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

        Yeah, when I first read this one I too was originally left with the impression that Majestic had offered up the offending passage.

        But, being surprised at such an obvious mistake, I re-read and realized that CNN was the culprit.

  • Ted Heistman

    Is that illustrator going to hell for drawing naked guys? 

    • Calypso_1

      That’s a damn fine wrastlin’ move.  Most folks don’t take into account the increased options for control that become available once you go al dente.

    • Calypso_1

      That’s a damn fine wrastlin’ move.  Most folks don’t take into account the increased options for control that become available once you go al dente.

      • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

        Did you mean al Dante?
        after all, it is his inferno

      • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

        Did you mean al Dante?
        after all, it is his inferno

        • Calypso_1

          No, but if found that more inflammatory tactics were indeed advisable the increased freedom of limb movements provided by a tenacious application of affixed dentition would most likely allow swift access to my Zippo. 

        • Calypso_1

          No, but if found that more inflammatory tactics were indeed advisable the increased freedom of limb movements provided by a tenacious application of affixed dentition would most likely allow swift access to my Zippo. 

      • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

        Did you mean al Dante?
        after all, it is his inferno

    • lifobryan

      Mmmmmmmm. Buns of Hell.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/SDGHYKRODBXAIPWTZPPUUMCOAI Ray

       Hell is Hot!

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    I am surprisingly comfortable with the idea of Christians and Muslims “sending each other to hell”.

    What cannot be corrected by rational exposition may eventually be remedied by Darwinian principles.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    I am surprisingly comfortable with the idea of Christians and Muslims “sending each other to hell”.

    What cannot be corrected by rational exposition may eventually be remedied by Darwinian principles.

    • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

      maybe there could be a new cable channel
      Fox Wars
      so the angry religious nuts could kill themselves
      for fun & prophet

      • http://www.facebook.com/ryanlovesdrey Ryan Huff

        *profit

      • http://www.facebook.com/ryanlovesdrey Ryan Huff

        *profit

  • jimbo702

    Yes, hell is real. Hell is right here on earth, thanks to religious zealotry. We have to look over our shoulders and watch news report after news report about the mass murder of innocents in the name of some asshole’s religion. We have to endure the inevitability of creeping religious-dogma-based fascism on our own doorstep thanks to the Christian right here in America, while sending our children overseas to die at the hands of Islamic fanatics. I say to hell with Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. These aspiring despots won’t stop until they subjugate all of humanity, even if it means killing us and themselves in the process. We have to do all that we can to stop them – and force them to keep THEIR religion where it belongs: in THEIR homes and in THEIR churches.

    • Chenetoo

      all wars is really based on economics ….. you can say I am fighting for my god, but we all know it comes down to land, resources or money.  So the bottom line is we will always have wars. Don’t blame religion or God. Blame man’s greed and to color the truth 

    • Chenetoo

      all wars is really based on economics ….. you can say I am fighting for my god, but we all know it comes down to land, resources or money.  So the bottom line is we will always have wars. Don’t blame religion or God. Blame man’s greed and to color the truth 

      • MJ

        Why yes its always about the money, power and control! Religion is but a mere distraction….

      • MJ

        Why yes its always about the money, power and control! Religion is but a mere distraction….

      • truth

        money is the only real god

      • truth

        money is the only real god

      • http://www.facebook.com/pauley2 Matt Pauley

        The real reason we are in the wars are economic 4sure. But when 50% of Americans believe that our earth is 10,000 years, I have to assume Americans wouldn’t put up with the wars unless the religious factor wasn’t present.   

      • http://www.facebook.com/pauley2 Matt Pauley

        The real reason we are in the wars are economic 4sure. But when 50% of Americans believe that our earth is 10,000 years, I have to assume Americans wouldn’t put up with the wars unless the religious factor wasn’t present.   

    • Anti-Crowley

      yes we must do all we can jimbo, we must silence their views to give rise to our own.  Gov’t is driven by greed…I mean Christianity.  I see the gov’t doing exactly what the Bible tells them to do, no wait I mean the opposite of what the Bible tells them to do…I mean…lets just kill all of those murderous Christians, kids and all.

      • Calypso_1

        I thought persecution of the church was god’s plan?

      • Calypso_1

        I thought persecution of the church was god’s plan?

      • Calypso_1

        I thought persecution of the church was god’s plan?

    • Anti-Crowley

      yes we must do all we can jimbo, we must silence their views to give rise to our own.  Gov’t is driven by greed…I mean Christianity.  I see the gov’t doing exactly what the Bible tells them to do, no wait I mean the opposite of what the Bible tells them to do…I mean…lets just kill all of those murderous Christians, kids and all.

  • Matt Staggs

    The Great Prophet Pat Benatar offers a hymn on this very topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxYsi5Y-xOQ

  • kowalityjesus

    This passage spoke to me more than any other:
    Keep in mind that Jesus’ words come in the context of the rest of Scripture, which says that God “desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”  Furthermore, he “is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.”  God is far more loving, kind and patient with his enemies that we are with our enemies.  
    As for proof that GWB and the rest of his political crop are unabashed, lying Satanists, think about the fact that the GOP changed its logo in 2000 (quietly and seemingly arbitrarily) to an elephant with inverted stars from normal stars.   Also google “hillary clinton inverted stars on flag.”  These are subtle things, but the only logical explanation is that Satan controls federal politics, no doubt.

    • Nirvanasteve

      I was going to laugh at this smugly, as you do, but when I googled it I saw that the stars on the elephant were indeed inverted. What’s up with that? Even Satan wouldn’t want to pal around with those dweebs. 

      • kowalityjesus

        They are the tooliest tools on earth.  Tools of the Devil!  I have no idea how deep that rabbit hole goes, but you can’t make this stuff up.  It’s bizarre.

        • Infvocuernos

           This country would be in much better shape if it were run by Satanists instead of all those hypocrites. 

        • Infvocuernos

           This country would be in much better shape if it were run by Satanists instead of all those hypocrites. 

    • lifobryan

      Upside-down stars.

      In Christianity, the five-point star (one point upward) refers to the wounds of Christ, and figures prominently in Arthurian/Grail symbolism. 

      In neo-pagan or wiccan tradition, the (one point upward) pentagram often refers to the four elementals & a unifying spirit.

      In both Crowley’s Thelema and traditional wiccan practice, the inverted pentagram (two points upward) refers to matter over spirit … or spirit funneled into matter .. or, in the case of the Golden Dawn, a triumph of matter over spirit. 

      In Satanism, an inverted pentagram encasing the head of a goat is a sigil of Baphomet – or sometimes Leviathan, the chaotic deity defeated by YHWH prior to Creation. (Or according to Chick Tracts, the one invoked by Freemasons).

      In the case of Republicanism, hmmmm …..?

      Well, with a north-over-south vertical visual bias, one could certainly see the Pentagon as an inverted pentagram.

      Or more likely … and I’m going to go out on a limb here …. I suspect Dick Cheney’s astrological birth chart might resemble an inverted pentagram. Or if not, I would almost bet he has an inverted pentagram tattooed on his scrotum.

      Hillary Clinton? 

      I suspect a scrotal tattoo there too …..

  • http://twitter.com/jasonpaulhayes jasonpaulhayes

    No, it’s not.

  • http://twitter.com/jasonpaulhayes jasonpaulhayes

    No, it’s not.

  • Simiantongue

    ” The stark reality is this: either Jesus suffered for your sins to rescue you from hell, or you will suffer for your sins in hell. These are the only two options and you have an eternal decision to make.”

    Another option is that he could be completely wrong about what he believes happens after death. I’m of a mind lately that we just lose consciousness when the body can’t sustain it any more, the body ceases to function and our body degrades into it’s constituent components back into the wash of the universe. Is that so bad?

  • Simiantongue

    ” The stark reality is this: either Jesus suffered for your sins to rescue you from hell, or you will suffer for your sins in hell. These are the only two options and you have an eternal decision to make.”

    Another option is that he could be completely wrong about what he believes happens after death. I’m of a mind lately that we just lose consciousness when the body can’t sustain it any more, the body ceases to function and our body degrades into it’s constituent components back into the wash of the universe. Is that so bad?

    • Diamondkrl

      wow your ignorance is amazing..

    • Diamondkrl

      wow your ignorance is amazing..

      • Diamondkrl

        my bad… i only read the first statment, now the second one makes sense

  • Andrew

    Which way I fly is hell; myself am hell;And in the lowest deep a lower deep,Still threat’ning to devour me, opens wide,To which the hell I suffer seems a heaven.

    • Eznotts

      Your a fucking idiot fake intellectual andy.

  • Oh god

    if it is for real, everyone in the world is going. Maybe this is hell

  • David Cosgrove

    Hell is where the slaves are bred. Do the math or do the mass. Democracies or demonic races? You might call this civilization but those that have ears will always hear servile ization. If you make a show of believing dogma then you are also proving that you are not smart enough to be a threat. From farm to farmily the process goes on.and polite society is no more than a self policing state. But then we will undoubtedly get what we ask for. So what are you gonna do? I suggest dying laughing. Those who laugh last…

  • David Cosgrove

    Hell is where the slaves are bred. Do the math or do the mass. Democracies or demonic races? You might call this civilization but those that have ears will always hear servile ization. If you make a show of believing dogma then you are also proving that you are not smart enough to be a threat. From farm to farmily the process goes on.and polite society is no more than a self policing state. But then we will undoubtedly get what we ask for. So what are you gonna do? I suggest dying laughing. Those who laugh last…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7L7TC42A7F5GCGGQXPATUCNUGA Mark

    ‘Hell’ as an invention of the church.
    John Shelby Spong
    http://youtu.be/SF6I5VSZVqc

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7L7TC42A7F5GCGGQXPATUCNUGA Mark

    ‘Hell’ as an invention of the church.
    John Shelby Spong
    http://youtu.be/SF6I5VSZVqc

  • rus Archer

    went to his own funeral in hell on an over the top shroom trip one lovely afternoon – good times – cslewis probably nailed it in the last battle, though (which seems to line up with the whole trip in the tibetan book of living and dying “you are tripping, stop believing the trip, stop coming back to the trip”) – heaven/hell = perception – if you want it to suck when/reever you find yourself (before after or during this “life”), it will

  • rus Archer

    went to his own funeral in hell on an over the top shroom trip one lovely afternoon – good times – cslewis probably nailed it in the last battle, though (which seems to line up with the whole trip in the tibetan book of living and dying “you are tripping, stop believing the trip, stop coming back to the trip”) – heaven/hell = perception – if you want it to suck when/reever you find yourself (before after or during this “life”), it will

    • lifobryan

      I think CSLewis had a great description of hell in The Screwtape Letters:

      “clean, carpeted, warm, well-lighted offices … quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice … something like the bureaucracy of a police state, or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern.”

      Central Casting, please send in Mitt Romney ….

    • lifobryan

      I think CSLewis had a great description of hell in The Screwtape Letters:

      “clean, carpeted, warm, well-lighted offices … quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice … something like the bureaucracy of a police state, or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern.”

      Central Casting, please send in Mitt Romney ….

  • Thumbs up

    I just clicked this for the photo.

  • Josh

    Meh. Most people who post n the internet concerning such topics don’t have a good understanding of metaphysics, or, more specifically, the metaphysics behind Catholicism, whence the doctrine of hell originated. In most western philosophy prior to Descartes, good and being are convertible. In Medieval Christian philosophy, good, being, and God are also interchangeable, because God is pure being. Those who are in hell are those who hate God, and all which means the same thing (i.e. being itself, the good, the true, the beautiful, the actual–as opposed to the potential–and so on). Thus, God removes his presence (though not entirely) as a mercy. Is it still horrible to be in hell? Yes. But it is horrible to hate being itself.

    Acting as though this view of the world is self-evidently false, from some pretension that we are somehow now in a privileged vantage point over the past, is not only naive and stupid–it is indicative of intellectual immaturity. Unfortunately, the internet paves the way for drive-by assertion. If you want to learn how to think critically, and if you want to actually attack real positions that intelligent people have held, not their caricatures, read philosophy, not polemics. Aquinas or Augustine would be a good start on this particular topic.

  • Josh

    Meh. Most people who post n the internet concerning such topics don’t have a good understanding of metaphysics, or, more specifically, the metaphysics behind Catholicism, whence the doctrine of hell originated. In most western philosophy prior to Descartes, good and being are convertible. In Medieval Christian philosophy, good, being, and God are also interchangeable, because God is pure being. Those who are in hell are those who hate God, and all which means the same thing (i.e. being itself, the good, the true, the beautiful, the actual–as opposed to the potential–and so on). Thus, God removes his presence (though not entirely) as a mercy. Is it still horrible to be in hell? Yes. But it is horrible to hate being itself.

    Acting as though this view of the world is self-evidently false, from some pretension that we are somehow now in a privileged vantage point over the past, is not only naive and stupid–it is indicative of intellectual immaturity. Unfortunately, the internet paves the way for drive-by assertion. If you want to learn how to think critically, and if you want to actually attack real positions that intelligent people have held, not their caricatures, read philosophy, not polemics. Aquinas or Augustine would be a good start on this particular topic.

  • Quique Lomeli

    it is very sad to see real people loosing their way without even notice, Hell is a fantasy, it’s imposible, there is no way for it to be, I will try to explain myself:

    a. There is only one God (whichever its name may be)
    b. That God Is, and nothing could exist beyond. Otherwise He would not be Almigthy, but just a part of something bigger and more powerful that would contain His Being and something else.
    c. Hell must be someplace in this Universe, that means someplace inside God, but Hell is “the absence of God” so it could not exist inside the very thing that would annihilate it’s existence, it would need to be located “outside” The Lord, for that would need the existence of an Universe that is bigger that God Himself, which is an oxymoron.

    God gave us the ability to think, it is a Divine Order to use this ability, it is our mission to understad His creation using our brain, refusing to do so is going against The Divine Plan, refusing to think by ourselves is pretend that we know better than God Almighty, so lets think Hell out of the cuestion and center ouselves in real and possible matters as knolewdge and love and understanding.

  • FirebrandCentral

    If there is a Hell, 90% of the U.S. Government has an express ticket. http://www.firebrandcentral.com

  • Sean D. Daily

    Damn, that devil’s ripping that guy’s throat out with his teeth AND kneeing him in the kidney. They don’t mess around in hell.

  • Sean D. Daily

    Damn, that devil’s ripping that guy’s throat out with his teeth AND kneeing him in the kidney. They don’t mess around in hell.

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