The Forgotten Anti-Moon-Landing Movement

Many look back on the Apollo 11 lunar landing as a crowning achievement of humanity and pinnacle of a time when America was able to unite and accomplish great things. But the Atlantic points out that there was widespread public discontent over the propagandistic aspects and vast expense spent on the moon mission while the most basic problems of life on Earth went unaddressed:

We’ve told ourselves a convenient story about the moon landing and national unity, but there’s almost no evidence that our astronauts united even America, let alone the world. Polls both by USA Today and Gallup have shown support for the moon landing has increased the farther we’ve gotten away from it. 77 percent of people in 1989 thought the moon landing was worth it; only 47 percent felt that way in 1979.

Many black papers questioned the use of American funds for space research at a time when many African Americans were struggling at the margins of the working class. An editorial in the Los Angeles Sentinel, for example, argued against Apollo in no uncertain terms, saying, “It would appear that the fathers of our nation would allow a few thousand hungry people to die for the lack of a few thousand dollars while they would contaminate the moon and its sterility for the sake of ‘progress’ and spend billions of dollars in the process, while people are hungry, ill-clothed, poorly educated (if at all).”

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  • Trivium68

    I don’t understand why these issues continue to be framed as either or.  Either we “Feed the poor” or “explore space”..

    Howard Kuntsler who is famed for his Peak Oil post energy future stuff has a massive disdain for space exploration and never understood why we “wasted money to go to the moon”.

    I was but a baby when Neil Armstrong stepped on the moon (and YES I believe that we did land on the moon). I remember my father being very interested in space and the moon landing etc.  He was inspired by it.  He passed that inspiration on to me!.

    I am deeply disturbed by this increasing cynicism about the space program and traveling to outerspace and discovering our universe.  Yes, people are suffering here, that doesn’t mean we need to shut everything down and quit understanding the larger universe in which we exist.

    Many people did admit to changing how they looked upon the planet and ironically seeing the delicate planet as our only true home at this time and that we better work on protecting it and coming together and quit killing one another!.
    I know there are increasing amounts of people who are cynical about “collectivism”, they disdainfully talk about how the “one world” philosopy will enslave us all.  I don’t see anything wrong with seeing planet earth as one, as humanity!.
    I would further argue that it perhaps is a ploy by some to create such cynicism in humanity that we shouldn’t explore or imagine anywhere else that we are all trapped here on this planet.   Talk about a prison mindset. 

    I have explored many ideas and beliefs different from my own but I have reached the limit of my tolerance.  People need to stop with the criticizing and start imagining again!.    If someone throws you in prison and tells you daily that there is no world for you OUT THERE and this is where you are stuck and you end up believing you will be locked up forever so why try to have any imagination outside of your prison then what will that do?

    I am so disappointed in Humanity at this point in time.  We are the most dumbed down and cynical population ever and we are still killing and hurting each other!.. Grow up!

    • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

       Hi Trivium,
      Given your name sake what do you think having witnessed the following evidence of obfuscation by Apollo astronauts?  http://archive.org/details/Apollo11EarthViewFaking

      • Andrew

        I think Ron Proctor’s review sums it up nicely.

        • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

          Please provide a link, I’ve never heard of Ron Proctor before.  Thank you

          • Andrew

            Check the bottom of the page you linked.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

             This is a great example of a straw man argument being used to avoid the real import of the material. 

            The question is not whether or not the Earth rotates proving that a transparency of the Earth was utilized at all.  He has completely misunderstood what is happening.

            A mask, rather than a transparency, is a better term to utilize to describe what is occurring here.

            To be clear;  the mask is used to mask off the reality that the Earth looms much larger in the field of view of the lunar module, thus demonstrating that they are in fact in low Earth orbit and not the hundred or so thousand miles they should be away from the planet, to have arrived at the Moon for their inaugural “landing” in time.

            If you watch the video you will see clearly that when the mask is removed the Earth is displayed brightly, reflecting the sun’s light to the point of filling the window frame; where as before we only saw the poorly manufactured mask allowing in a smaller portion of the Earth, designed to give the illusion of it being much further away.

            Science does not win at all in his demonstration, only sophistry.

            See for yourself.

            http://archive.org/details/Apollo11EarthViewFaking

            Cheers.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

             This is a great example of a straw man argument being used to avoid the real import of the material. 

            The question is not whether or not the Earth rotates proving that a transparency of the Earth was utilized at all.  He has completely misunderstood what is happening.

            A mask, rather than a transparency, is a better term to utilize to describe what is occurring here.

            To be clear;  the mask is used to mask off the reality that the Earth looms much larger in the field of view of the lunar module, thus demonstrating that they are in fact in low Earth orbit and not the hundred or so thousand miles they should be away from the planet, to have arrived at the Moon for their inaugural “landing” in time.

            If you watch the video you will see clearly that when the mask is removed the Earth is displayed brightly, reflecting the sun’s light to the point of filling the window frame; where as before we only saw the poorly manufactured mask allowing in a smaller portion of the Earth, designed to give the illusion of it being much further away.

            Science does not win at all in his demonstration, only sophistry.

            See for yourself.

            http://archive.org/details/Apollo11EarthViewFaking

            Cheers.

          • Andrew

            That’s not a mask, it’s a change in the camera’s aperture.

          • Andrew

            That’s not a mask, it’s a change in the camera’s aperture.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            You do realize that makes no sense right?  Just watch the entire video silly.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            You do realize that makes no sense right?  Just watch the entire video silly.

          • kowalityjesus

            moon-landing fakery and chemtrails are two conspiracy theories that I put in the same bin labeled “things that wouldn’t make a difference even if I knew ‘the truth’/are too strange and widely-unaccepted for me to concern myself”

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            So you need things to be “widely accepted” in order to go along is what it boils down to.  Thanks for sharing that sadly all to pervasive apathy.

          • kowalityjesus

            No I need something to be NOT widely UN-accepted in order to bother considering it.  Particularly if it is of little consequence whether it is true or not.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

             Tautology.  You are still not thinking for yourself.  Watch the tape and reconsider what you believe.  If you can.

          • Andrew

            It makes sense to those who’ve worked with non-digital cameras.  If a mask of some sort was being used, no matter how close the camera was to it (it’s the distance between the mask and the Earth that matters most), the features of the Earth seen through the mask would move as the camera moved.

            When the window gets brighter, what’s actually happening is that the camera’s aperture, which determines how much light gets inside, is changed so that the interior of the spacecraft is visible (that’s the “f-stop” they’re talking about).  Since the Earth is in sunlight and is much brighter than the interior–notice how much brighter the floodlight got, and how dark it was previously–when the camera is pulled away from the window its brightness fills the window.  It may also have been illuminating dust, scratches, or smudges on the window itself.

            If that is a faked video, which I don’t think it is, the image of the earth is being produced by a model, not by a mask.  I’m not sure how far away they actually were, but they definitely weren’t filming the Earth through a mask from a low orbit.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            It’s pretty obvious that it is not the Ftstop or aperture manipulationwhich is creating the effect.  Did you not see when the mask is obviously moved out of the way in the video by human hands?

            It is shakily withdrawn, contradicting your theory.   They didn’t intend for this footage to see the light of day.  Watch it again with an open mind. 

          • Andrew

            No, I didn’t see any mask moved by human hands.  I did see what looked to me to be textbook aperture changes, which I’ve seen many times before.  Would you pinpoint the time the alleged mask is removed so I can look more closely?

          • Andrew

            No, I didn’t see any mask moved by human hands.  I did see what looked to me to be textbook aperture changes, which I’ve seen many times before.  Would you pinpoint the time the alleged mask is removed so I can look more closely?

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

             ~9:00-13:00 minute marks

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

             ~9:00-13:00 minute marks

          • Calypso_1

            Have you ever considered that your support of issues such as these so far undermines your intellectual credibility that your participation in activism such as WAC can hardly be viewed on any level other than the most incredulous and laughable by those whom you wish to reach with the ‘truth’?
            In your endeavors as a ‘warrior’ have you not learned to pick your battles wisely?  Or has dementia pugilistica become too great of a struggle for you to martial your resources towards more direct goals and strategic action?

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            So I take it you can’t offer any valid factually based commentary on the evidence I presented so you resort to your old worn out book of ad hominem attacks.

            I will take it as a sign you can’t deal with the evidence I presented and have to resort to attempted tactics of emotional manipulation and sophistry.

            If you want to talk about “intellectual credibility” why don’t you step up to the plate and debunk the footage above??  I will wait.

          • Calypso_1

            I don’t care about the film.  I do however care that those who claim to represent ‘truth’ to the masses on important issues don’t seem to have the foresight or acumen to understand how their own efforts could be undermined by such vehement defense of ‘positions’ such as this one.

          • Calypso_1

            I don’t care about the film.  I do however care that those who claim to represent ‘truth’ to the masses on important issues don’t seem to have the foresight or acumen to understand how their own efforts could be undermined by such vehement defense of ‘positions’ such as this one.

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            It doesn’t matter whether you care or not about it, you can’t attack me and then avoid the very evidence I am discussing and expect to be taken seriously.  Either comment on the video or admit you are unwilling to discuss facts and prefer to sulk in sophistry.  I think it is fair to ask based on this evidence, How were they capable of reaching the moon in time if they hadn’t left near earth orbit by the timeline evidenced in the film?  See the problem is really a matter of consciousness.  Can you allow in the possibility, that perhaps you too could be suckered? 

          • Calypso_1

            The moon journey is a complete non issue for me.  I was not arguing any aspect of it.  I have made it abundantly clear in the past that I will not do so.  That is not sophistry.

            You have asked on numerous occasions how the activities of WAC (of which you are a member and ardent supporter) can be improved. 
            I am pointing out that fixation on issues such as this, that draw significant public ridicule can do nothing but harm more legitimate applications of your analytical reasoning skills to pressing problems of the day.  This is counsel, not attack.

            To state that this is a matter of consciousness and not of indeterminate facts is a presupposition and projection of your personal conjectures onto a universal framework that has no bearing on the thought processes of others and is not a claim you can make. 

            For myself to allow the possibility of incomplete knowledge, or deception in any given reality to be an operative factor in my perception in no way lends greater credence to your opinions, conclusions or analytics.  It merely shows that I am aware of the inconclusive and malleable nature of perceptions of said events.   

          • http://wearechangeatlanta.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Don’t need your “Counsel”.  Never asked for it on this page or thread.  Previous thread was you sparking up conversation over your perception that I needed to know your perspective on cybernetics.  You then acted as though it would be completely impossible to have any conversation if I didn’t drop everything and study cybernetics. Now you are presuming to question my abilities in logic by refusing to logically consider the information I am providing.  Irony is a word you need understand before we can continue the conversation.

          • Calypso_1

            Do you find it difficult to find connections within the constant intertwining threads on this site?  Always isolating, dissecting into monopoles instead of flowing through the dynamics that feedback into each other. 

             I never asked you to drop everything.  To be exact, I said, “I understand your time is limited.  I too have much to do.  There is no need to impose a time limit.”  Nor did I suggest that you needed to know my perspectives on the topic (Indeed that would be impossible).  Only that it would be a topic that you might find some relevant and useful perspectives of your own application. 

            Just because I refuse to participate in the topic of the moon voyage in no way means that I did not logically consider what you were saying. 

            I did however in the previous reply provide you with a complete breakdown of the error in stating that the real problem is a matter of consciousness and the possibility of my deception supporting your rhetoric. 
             

          • Calypso_1

            I don’t care about the film.  I do however care that those who claim to represent ‘truth’ to the masses on important issues don’t seem to have the foresight or acumen to understand how their own efforts could be undermined by such vehement defense of ‘positions’ such as this one.

  • rmd1023

    Gil-Scott Heron (mostly known for “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised”) also has a piece “Whitey on the Moon”.
    http://www.gilscottheron.com/lywhitey.html

    • kowalityjesus

      is it okay to feel racist when someone else is racist against you?

      Jesus says “No.”

      yes sir

      • Calypso_1

        And Mr. Mumphries says “There’s a sweet thang at the Platinum Lounge I got to get a taste of tonight!”

  • lifobryan

    My rural-Pennsylvanian grandfather had objections of a different nature, and I quote: “Goddam rockets firing at the goddam moon, giving us this goddam crazy weather. People should just stay in their goddam place.”

  • GunDude

    Gee, rmd1023 just put it all into perspective for us. All those problems, all caused by the space program….. who’da thunk it?

  • Haystack

    The fact that the controversy has been forgotten would seem to suggest that “history,” as they say, has upheld the overall value of the moon program. 

  • Haystack

    The fact that the controversy has been forgotten would seem to suggest that “history,” as they say, has upheld the overall value of the moon program. 

  • http://skadhitheraverner.wordpress.com/ Skadhi_the_Raverner

    Yea, waste of money.

    • Andrew

      Money can’t be wasted, since it’s just a token of exchange that works only by agreement.

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