Woman Shoots and Beheads Serial Rapist

By on September 5, 2012 in News 91

Picture: Caravaggio (PD)

Via Daily Bhaksar

Yalvac (Turkey): A woman heavily pregnant with the child of her rapist, killed the perpetrator and left his severed head in the local village square, Sun reported.

The woman five-months pregnant with the rapist’s child has been pleading with authorities to let her have an abortion—although the law prohibits any woman beyond ten-weeks pregnant from taking such an action.

Sun reported that when police arrested her in the south-western village of Yalvac she told them that the head was of the one who ‘toyed with her honour.’

Womens’ groups in Turkey have praised the mother of two as a heroine after it emerged she was being blackmailed by her attacker.

Read more at Daily Bhaksar.

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  • Calypso_1

    Sounds like a legitimate beheading to me.

    • Anarchy Pony

      I see what you did there.

    • Nunzio X

       But I thought in cases of legitimate beheadings, the body secretes a natural chemical that prevents…

      …oh, wait. That’s just blood.

      Never mind.

      • Huggfbugg

        That was good. Seriously

        • Nunzio X

          Glad I could be of cervix.

          • Matt Staggs

            Thanks for the much-needed laughs this morning. 

        • Nunzio X

          Glad I could be of cervix.

      • http://skadhitheraverner.wordpress.com/ Skadhi_the_Raverner

        The body also secretes blood during rape, if the lady has vagina dentata.

        • Calypso_1

          you aint right

  • Apathesis

    This woman is my hero.

  • World of Light

    Rape is a capital offense. Good for her. 

  • Wanted

    Kind of a mixed feeling about the whole revenge killing as I don’t like these feelings in myself when I feel wronged. I am just not extreme in my views as being extreme clouds my ability to reason.  People need to get serious about personal security tho, to try to prevent this from happening in the first place. killing him is not going to heal her but it will prevent him from harming other women, which I respect as she is helping protect women from someone she is certain is evil. I am armed at all times with a defensive weapon (boot knife) and I usually also have a back up in case that fails, I am also trained. As I am not extreme, I don’t carry a fire arm as I feel that is an offensive assault weapon (cowards way). With a gun an aggressor can kill me from far away (if thats the case fine fuck this world if thats my fate I am given) but aggressors can forget about getting close to me to abuse if im alive. I rather be alive but if I have to go down like that I rather go down fighting and with honor.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/rthoneunomia.celine Threedinium

      Yes, maybe it hasn’t solved all her problems. But it’s definately solved one of them.

      • Wanted

        yeah but its extreme, an eye for an eye . If I went around shooting everyone who has hurt me or hurt people that I love, it would be a very different world. Some guy tried to attack my mom in front my condo last year and was coming into my house to try to beat me up for standing up for her. He actually stepped fully into my condo,  i pulled out a bread knife the size of my forearm and looked him straight in the eyes (the guy was  6’5″ heavy set  and I am 5’10″). I could have fatally stabbed him and nothing would have happened to me but I stood my ground (for real not like zimmerman who shoots people while they are on the ground) and the man started crying and ran out just as the cops showed. My refusal to be extreme spared his life that day and mine because I would have been scared for life if I had stabbed him, even in self defense. Its better to suffer evil than to do evil. america loves celebrating death. Its also better to write a comment that is a little more complex when arguing complex topics like this. For all we know the lady that got rapped could also have some criminal acts under her belt and if you knew about them you would say she deserved being violated. Its better to stay calm, logical, humane and reasonable not savage and vengeful. Its all temporary, this game of life, where nothing is true and everything is permitted. And I know people have strong emotions and I do too and totally understand but I will not celebrate a murder even if its justifiable. Its just not in my moral code. But this is just advice, DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO DO!!!!!

        • Monkey See Monkey Do

          Interesting comment. It’s easy for people to say what they would do in a situation but when your actually in it yourself, firstly - the facts are there, and secondly – the consequences become much more real. Sometimes people only learn that violence isn’t the answer until a violent act has been committed, that’s ok too (though not ideal), but as long they learn it.

          As for this woman I can understand her plight in a place we’re women are oppressed and a serial rapist is on the loose. I wont celebrate the murder but I had a good belly laugh about it.

        • Calypso_1

          Do you believe all individuals are scarred for life when they justifiably take the life of another human being?  And from where does the evil arise in such an act?

          • Jin The Ninja

            the former is a very interesting question.

          • Calypso_1

            At the moment I don’t have the time to give an extended answer.  But consider this- I spared someone once.  I’ve regretted it ever since and had to cope with a raging unfulfilled bloodlust that altered me to my core.  Then again…I’m not one to walk such a road without learning many, very useful things, for which I am most grateful.

          • Wanted

            you need to learn to let go of that feeling and walk on 

          • Andrew

            If the event was sufficiently traumatic, letting go of a feeling can take decades of hard work.

          • mannyfurious

            This is true, although I’ve always argued that an event is only as traumatic as we allow it to be. 

          • Calypso_1

            I understand, and agree with, to varying degrees, that argument…but I hope you never personally experience a trauma that completely eviscerates that belief.

          • mannyfurious

            Oh, I agree. I hope I’m never put in a position that tests my hypothesis. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve certainly suffered my share of psychological trauma, and my theory stems from my experiences dealing with that trauma. I was even legitimately suicidal for a couple of years there. But, yeah, so far I’ve managed to avoid experiencing something that has sent me completely over the edge, and I hope it stays that way.

          • Andrew

            I disagree.

          • mannyfurious

            Well, I guess that settles it then….

          • Calypso_1

            I have come to suspect from the collective observation of many of your comments and articles that your perspective is either informed by personal experience or that of working with others’ or both.

          • Andrew

            Your suspicion is correct.

          • Calypso_1

            As a result of that ‘feeling’ I’ve earned a DNP, a PhD and worked with a lot of people who need more help than I do.  I’d call that walking on.

          • mannyfurious

            I think this is an interesting point. There are certainly ways to use anger and hatred in positive ways. The question is, is your life any better due to holding on to such feelings? I’m not talking about superficial (although very impressive) accomplishments. I mean, is your quality of life (primarily psychologically) truly better for holding on to such feelings? 

            (this isn’t a rhetorical question, by the way, where I’m implying an answer. It’s a genuine question that only you can answer, obviously.) 

          • Calypso_1

            I would not wish to imply that the continuing affect of such an event was to merely hold on to feelings such as anger and to use them as a motive force via sublimation towards more positive outcomes, even though this is indeed the most positive psychological usage of these negative self aspects.  For me the actual specifics are not something that continue to be a factor, rather the event catalyzed a very primal process that has taken a very long time to learn to manage and I’ve found no way to turn completely off.  For example could you turn off your sex drive?  My quality of life (and that of many others) is better as a result.  I do not hold on to any of these feelings, they arise continually of their own accord.  What I do to transform them into something more suitable to society than the form they originate in is my responsibility.

          • Søren Beerkegaard

            Are you perhaps confusing “justifiable” with “understandable”?

            The usual standard of debate is to organize one’s arguments to elicit the emotional concurrence of the audience rather to properly place them in the most morally robust framework possible.  This leaves us in the unfortunate position of continually reshuffling the crappy hand dealt to our ancestors, instead of crafting a new more satisfying reality for ourselves.

            “Justifiable” necessarily implies that all displays of violence must be met in kind, equal in type and degree.  This is the Taliban’s way of thinking.

            “Understandable” claims no more than peoples’ psychological equilibrium demands some type of symmetry between action action and reaction.  Revenge killings are only the crudest type of psychologically “understandable” reaction to rape or murder, but clearly they are not the only kind.  Certainly they are not the most productive kind, as they typically lead to counter-revenge killings which quickly spiral out of any type of narrow, stable context from which a clear and morally satisfying explanation can be retrieved.

            The person who kills another in even an “understandable” act of revenge most certainly is scarred for life, because it only further reduces their own tenuous claim to continued existence to the grotesquely primitive morality of “might makes right”.

          • Calypso_1

            I am confusing neither, nor is this forum, nor any place of general public discussion, one that requires the standards of argument required for rhetoric or debate unless agreed upon by the parties involved in said discussion.

          • Søren Beerkegaard

            But is agreement even possible where there is no understanding?

            Understanding is not furthered by a refusal to confront ambiguity.

          • Calypso_1

            There are infinitudes of understanding in ambiguity.

          • Søren Beerkegaard

            And an even greater number of mis-understandings.

          • Calypso_1

            You confuse understanding with agreement.  You don’t have to understand someone to agree with them…in fact most people don’t understand anything they agree with.  Agreement in itself is a still a formatory and binary way of interacting with others; which in the course of daily life is merely a pro forma method to engender the much more dynamic interaction of agreeableness. 

          • Søren Beerkegaard

            Okay, that is just pure bullshit.

            Time and time again courts have held that agreement to a contract is not possible where there is no basis for understanding its relevant terms. 
            Agreement is, always was and always will be conditional upon understanding. Understanding may be actual or constructive, inhibited by mistake, fraud or incompetence, but it is always required to acheive agreement.

            I seem to have taken you by surprise by insisting on a rigorous interpretation of terms where you probably sought a more informal sort of bullshit session, so I now abandon any hope for a serious discussion.

            Seriousness is not everything, so I don’t see it as an irretrievable loss.  Just one lost opportunity among many.

            But honestly now, did you truly expect to convince me of anything with a weak attempt to water down the very clearly contractual associations of the word “agreement” by juxtaposing it with the hopelessly fluffy and nearly meaningless word “agreeable”?

          • Calypso_1

            We are not in court.
             
            I don’t wish to convince you of anything.
             
            ‘Agreeable’ is neither fuzzy (not in the sense you implied) nor nearly meaningless. 
            It has, in fact, beyond the scope of how I clearly defined it here as a state transition from a Boolean impasse to a dynamic feedback between parties, a legal definition as follows:
             
            I am not agreeable to engaging in rhetorical discourse with you or anyone else in this forum. [as was also clearly indicated in no uncertain terms at the beginning of our interaction]
             
            Try Camron Wiltshire, he’s always up for debates about gravity, water vapor and the like.

          • Calypso_1

            We are not in court.
             
            I don’t wish to convince you of anything.
             
            ‘Agreeable’ is neither fuzzy (not in the sense you implied) nor nearly meaningless. 
            It has, in fact, beyond the scope of how I clearly defined it here as a state transition from a Boolean impasse to a dynamic feedback between parties, a legal definition as follows:
             
            I am not agreeable to engaging in rhetorical discourse with you or anyone else in this forum. [as was also clearly indicated in no uncertain terms at the beginning of our interaction]
             
            Try Camron Wiltshire, he’s always up for debates about gravity, water vapor and the like.

          • Wanted

            stop being such a violent savage. I spared someone and it made me feel better. Again you guys missed the whole point of the post because of intellectual arrogance and automatically posting on anything you think you slightly think you understand, it crowds the posts and from what i see intimidates others who then choose not to post. Also  the over complicated pompous lingo you fools use here, for nothing serious  kills me, Go write a manual for some bad product. Most of you have no idea of what a rape victim feels like and just gauge what you can from third parties. Ive had two girlfriends who said they were raped before our relationship. One was actually raped and one was crying wolf  to gain some strange attention and was later found out. And I said I would scarred for life, not every soulless bottom feed who has been wronged in the present and feels that they need a revenge killing has the capacity for guilt and remorse 

          • Calypso_1

            i like being a violent savage.  i like it oh so very much.

          • Calypso_1

            i like being a violent savage.  i like it oh so very much.

          • Wanted

            evil arises from someone being killed. I get angry and want to round house everyones heads off everyday but you just cant do it. Evil spreads when revenge killings happen and “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”. Keep celebrating death and see what happens. 

          • Calypso_1

            Does the evil arise as a vapor or a chthonic shadow?

          • mannyfurious

            I think individuals are scarred when they aren’t sociopaths. That isn’t to say that there are no circumstances where imposing death is appropriate. Of course there are such situations. When there are no other options than killing someone to protect yourself or another person, for example. However, I think even if the act is “justified” the person doing the killing will be scarred. 

            It’s not necessarily that “evil” arises in such a scenario. In fact, to think of such acts in binary terms such as “good” or “evil” is to utterly miss the point. To get into why killing another human is “scarring” is beyond the scope of a internet message board post. It’s due to deep and complicated and profound psychological predispositions. Despite what many would have you believe, humans, on a micro-sociological level are  not built to kill other humans. There are many, many factors that have to be overcome for one to even be capable of killing. 

            Again, I want to qualify my statements by emphasizing that I do think there is such a thing as “justifiable” killing. I  just hope I’m never in a position where I have to be the one to…ahem…execute such an act.

          • Calypso_1

            What if the person doing the ‘justified’ killing has been thoroughly scarred beforehand…maybe even by the perpetrator (as seems to have been the case in this article)?  Not all people are scarred by killing, not just sociopaths.  There is plenty of research particularly with the military and law enforcement to back this up.  Granted, their killings are often in different circumstances, but many of them have significant psych problems post-killing just as civilians, so the evidence for a subset of individuals who have no difficulties killing other humans should be viewed in context of the larger population. 
             

          • mannyfurious

            As to the scarring beforehand, I’m not sure. I haven’t read much research into such a topic, and off the top of my head, I don’t know anyone personally who has gone through something like that. I mean, just right off I would think someone scarred beforehand would probably feel less remorse or regret for killing the person who caused their trauma. All the same, I’m sure there are those who have gotten their vengeance and feel no better about things (now that I think about it, there are obviously those cases where the surviving loved ones of a murdered victim feel regret that they supported the death penalty for the person who killed their loved one. Although, there are also those who feel good that the perpetrator is dead. Ultimately it probably depends on the specifics of each circumstance).

            I’m not sure I agree the rest of your post. The research I read seems to show that most people are scarred by killing, including–especially– law enforcement. From what I’ve read, post-killing trauma in the military is almost entirely dependent on how close or far away the killing was done. Fighter pilots or drone pilots and tank operators almost always feel no regret for their actions. Whereas those soldiers who actually were able to look the dead in the eye almost always suffer remorse. Again, I don’t think there’s one right or wrong answer. Like you said, it depends on a number of things inherent to each circumstance.

        • Anarchy Pony

          Eye for an eye didn’t mean that you killed people that wronged you. The whole point was system of measured response to injustices done by people to other people. Arbitrated by a third party. Not that I really advocate it, but jeez people, get it straight.

          • Wanted

            what it means to you and what it means to me and what it means to the world are different things. Just because you read something once in some obscure college book does not mean you have full understanding of what an eye for an eye means.

          • Calypso_1

            You are correct in that it may mean different things to different people.  But his is by no means a definition from some obscure college book.   

          • Jin The Ninja

            ‘obscure’? what books are you reading? you can easily find info on hammurabi’s code, various tribal governance systems, and celtic justice online. what he said is undeniably correct, and yours a mischaracterisation of.

          • Wanted

            yeah the obscure college thing was just to sting bro. Learn how to insult 

          • Jin The Ninja

            it didn’t sting, it just made you sound illiterate.

          • Matt Staggs
          • Matt Staggs
          • Anarchy Pony

            WTF are you babbling about? College book? I learned that in sixth grade. 

  • Tarpaulin

    So, where’s the proof he actually raped her?

    • http://skadhitheraverner.wordpress.com/ Skadhi_the_Raverner

      Yea, if he actually was guilty for sure, wouldn’t he be in prison?

      • Gabrielsnicker

        idiot

        • http://skadhitheraverner.wordpress.com/ Skadhi_the_Raverner

          For what, for asking how anyone knows someone was in fact a rapist?

          Tell you what why don’t we just abolish laws and courts and just solve problems by impromptu beheadings, no need to establish someones guilt first or anything?

    • Gabrielsnicker

      Only a sexist pig would have your response.

      • http://skadhitheraverner.wordpress.com/ Skadhi_the_Raverner

        Only an unimaginative sheep would use a cliche like ‘sexist pig’.

  • Andrew

    Now this is the kind of honor killing I can get behind.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7L7TC42A7F5GCGGQXPATUCNUGA Mark

    Maybe this could be a start on a “Female Spring”, when world in the Muslim world realize they have power.  Image if women in abusive relationships or oppressive cultures began killing their oppressors in mass.  The NATO forces in Afghanistan could arm every Afghan woman and create an elite Afghan female fighting force.  Afghan women would definitely have an incentive to fight the Taliban.

  • poponhop

    todd akin: nah, really? nah

  • Bender

    But I thought women’s bodies went into some kind of super stealth mode that prevented them from getting pregnant during a rape… an elected official told me so, it must be true!

  • Marklar_Prime

     Gosh, where did the liberal gun control crowd go on this one. Hello. hello? This is Disinfo.com right? Hello? LMA literally O.

    • Andrew

      Your ass literally fell off?  You better call 911 immediately.

  • http://skadhitheraverner.wordpress.com/ Skadhi_the_Raverner

    I can tell this is a cut above the average American site.

    The article contains the words “pleading with authorities to let her have an abortion”, but christfags and choicetards haven’t jumped in and latched onto them, to derail the comments section into a childish church vs state flamewar.

    • David Howe

       not to spoil your fun, but False Choice fallacy

  • David Howe

    Are we sure she got the right guy?

  • justagirl

    the only regrettable thing in this is that she shot him so many times before the beheading.  ONe shot and a slow knife.  that’s how it’s done for tasty revenge.  he got what was coming to him and anyone who disagrees is full of shit.

    • Bender

      Full of shit is right. Its great that all you have to do to get away with murder and cruel and unusual punishment, that violates all that is human, is claim rape and people get behind you.  Let the misandry begin! 

    • Bender

      Full of shit is right. Its great that all you have to do to get away with murder and cruel and unusual punishment, that violates all that is human, is claim rape and people get behind you.  Let the misandry begin! 

      • justagirl

        and this makes me long for the happiness of the knife.

        • Bender

          I can see you have mental problems 

          • justagirl

            aw.. i feel the same way about you.

          • Bender

             Oh Feelings! If you feel them it must be fact.  Make sure you sharpen that knife when its time to act on your more barbaric feelings, a dull knife is dangerous to its handler.  And Kudos for the  great effort on the response, you are a great writer with High IQ, an obvious expertise in criminal justice and full of detail and facts that makes me ponder revenge killing in a brand new way… Some don’t people have an audience in real life so they come online to vomit their backwards views and from the way you respond to me, I must be one of them.  I’m sorry “Ishtar”, you are probably successful, influential, respected and very rich; I should not be arguing with someone of your status. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femme_fatale

          • justagirl

            all i’m saying is that even kind hearted “females” (i know you cant stand them) have a special place in their hearts for filthy rapists and bullies.  a yummy, vengeful place.  now go away ishtar gay.

          • Bender

            Besides being violent, irrational, vengeful and draconian, now she attacks gay men and says she is kind hearted, while her posts wreak of uncontrolled animalistic rage. Gay guys don’t hate women, if anything they are inspired by women and most of the time do a better job at being feminine, stylish and kind. I’ve seen women like you, dark and edgy, you are the kind that needs the most affection but is too proud to admit it, and im sure you have a mercurial temperament to boot.  If women like you is all I have to choose from, being gay sounds like heaven on earth. But i’ll delay my metamorphosis until I can get married and make it truly special, for now ill stay in the closet away from pseudo-females like you. Immature, unfocused emotions have no place in criminal justice.  I clicked on your profile, I read your comments, I cant even take you seriously, all you do is troll and write two sentences of incoherent, tasteless crap that is not even comical and makes no sense. Somehow you managed to befriend some good people

            who will sit and soak the evils you secrete, but why? I’m not really sure.
            Open a twitter account and add the Jersey shore fan base, you will have more fun there, I guarantee, they are simple minded and will get your personal brand of humor just fine from what I see. Im sure you will find yourself there; twitter is also perfect for one liners and lame jokes no one gets. Good day! You can post again, I will not read it (I have a life to tend to and lots to think about), I just KNOW that everyone deserves a fair hearing before they get their heads chopped off. Death sentences need to be check, re-checked and re-checked. But no big deal just the moral codes which are the basis of civilization that are at stake here. Want to inact  justice on someone without an entity to do the checks and balances? Move to fucking Siberia or Mexico.

          • justagirl

            wow all this for me?  i’m impressed..  er.. with myself.

          • Bender

            http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/hearsay-bothers-last-juror-to-find-peterson-guilty/article_7b22b0a9-6c01-59dc-8f36-1dd1d5d64bf3.html. You didnt even bother to find out what “Ishtar” means. She is an ancient goddess of love and war. It was technically not an insult, not the ishtar part, but if the boot fits. At least do some research on topics if you are going to post on this site. Its a place for intellectuals. 

          • justagirl

            ishtar gay is from an epic movie.  it doesn’t mean gay.  presumptuous dumbfuck.

          • Calypso_1

            hahahahahahaha  ha

          • justagirl

            the ability to arrange a bunch of fancy words together to form an opinion doesn’t make you an intellectual.  the opinion itself is what matters.  if you have ever rubbed elbows with real life intellectuals – not just the comment section of a website – you would know this.  the discerning intellectuals will either accept you or reject you.  rape is also a crime against humanity (i realize you have a difficult time accepting this) and although my comment might have been a bit exaggerated, i feel that the killing of the rapist somewhat restored the balance and set an example for future attackers.  by showing pity for the rapist/bully you have pretty much proven that you are ignorant and do not have the life skills to comment on such topics.  personal attacks on me and changing your username to get the last word won’t bother me – it never does – you are an imbecile.

          • Bender

            Any asshole can have an opinion, its another thing to understand the subject being discussed  and to explain how you came to such conclusion in an eloquent, attractive manner (it is why lawyers are so important to  clients who are not adept at expressing themselves). I live in a place filled with intellectuals and I come to this site out emotional attachment due to the great job they do at reporting. Intellectuals look at all sides of an argument, they avoid seeing things as black or white, that kind of split reasoning is a characteristic of people with personality disorders, who cant see the gray in any situation and always see things as either good or bad with no in between when most situations fall in between positive and negative. Just because I pushed your buttons you dug deep into the brain matter that remains in that air head of yours and made a decent effort to reply out of pure emotion, still lacking intellect or true understanding , bravo! Sadly any brainless sack of excrement can light a fire fresh make that sucker burn for days and ill be impressed. Choosing to give someone a fair trial is not showing mercy to a bully, its showing sensibility, self control and guess what humanity, a concept which you clearly do not understand. Killing someone out of revenge for a crime that has not been proven in a court of law is also a crime against humanity and the very fabric of a functioning society. The death sentence is reserved for first degree murder which unfortunately for you and the female in the article made her just as gross and animalistic as her alleged rapist ,after she committed Murder first. I don’t need to change my name i’ll still post under Bender but having the last word is very important in any argument. I might not have popular opinion here in this situation which is to us a hypothetical situation (since we have no concrete proof that this actually happened and its just on the interwebs) but most defense lawyers have to go against popular opinion and still win, its a common position for one to be in. You might see me as an imbecile and that’s a fair insult due to my aggressive stance against your views but its your dumb previous posts on this site that make you look mentally lazy and at times completely retarded. Please don’t be impressed with me or yourself because you just stated the obvious, while managing to input more personal attacks in one paragraph than I did in 5 and to me that shows lack of clear reasoning, a low IQ, coupled with deep immaturity. It  takes me no time to write this up, it comes easy to me, I do it for a living. Lastly, FYI where I live there are so many intellectuals rubbing elbows with them is something to be avoided; online and with written word are the new and improved mediums of communication as it stays in the record, also speech can be taken out of context and tones can be interpreted incorrectly. Here there is no tone, its cold, sharp and to the point. But I admire your passion against such a heinous crime and I understand your frustration but committing premeditated extremely violent murder this day and age is not the way to solve things. A lot of people have given their lives to get away from that mode of crude irreversable justice and I’m not about to agree with an uninformed, unqualified individual just because my emotions  and sense of sympathytell meto ,  while my intellect, training, wisdom and morals raise all sorts of red flags. Its just not the civilized way to go about it, especially since she left his head in the middle of town, probably traumatizing children and others that had nothing to do with her situation. Just crude and tasteless, not something to be proud of. I rest my case. I might not be right but at least I have shown that I have pondered the situation extensively enough to make a plausible and coherent counter argument and didnt just spit out my obvious preconceived opinions in hopes that others that are also just as misquied would offer support. Good day

          • justagirl

            “kiss my shiny metal ass.”

          • justagirl

            “kiss my shiny metal ass.”

      • Andrew

        Oh Feelings!  Are you upset about something?

        • Bender

          No im not pissed at anything im just rude, comes from the area I live in. Take everything with a grain of salt or salt substitute for those on a controlled diet. 

    • Gabrielsnicker

      I second your comments.  shoot him just enough to disable him, then begin butchering him.