Arctic Ice Melt is ‘Decades Ahead’ of Previous Models

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The climate scientists are wrong again!  Via Common Dreams:

In lieu of recent statistics showing ‘unprecedented’ and ‘amazing’ Arctic sea ice melt at record levels, leading climate scientist Michael Mann stated this week that rising water levels are “decades ahead of schedule” and that “Island nations that have considered the possibility of evacuation at some point, like Tuvalu, may have to be contending those sort of decisions within the matter of a decade or so.”

Arctic sea ice is “declining faster than the models predict,” Mann, who is the director of Pennsylvania State University’s Earth System Science Center, told the Guardian this week.

“When you look at the major Greenland and the west Antarctic ice sheets, which are critical from the standpoint of sea level rise, once they begin to melt we really start to see sea level rises accelerate.”

“The models have typically predicted that will not happen for decades but the measurements that are coming in tell us it is already happening so once again we are decades ahead of schedule.”

“Island nations that have considered the possibility of evacuation at some point, like Tuvalu, may have to be contending those sort of decisions within the matter of a decade or so.”

Perhaps the AGW denial psy-op is part of the Illuminatis’ depopulation plan?

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  • alizardx

    Every mainstream scientific projection I’ve seen of AGW consequences has proved to be in the optimistic to way too optimistic range. Perhaps we don’t have as much time to do something about it as the US MSM is telling us? The transnational elite who decide political priorities and what the legacy and most online media tell us seem to think they can buy their way out of the consequences, and leave us stuck with a bill we will pay both with money and with blood.

    Read Jason Diamond’s book “Collapse”  http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Societies-Choose-Fail-Survive/dp/0140279512 for case studies of elites who died trying to buy their way out of the consequences of their own mistakes. The tragedy isn’t that they died, it’s that they took their societies down the crapper with them.

  • alizardx

    Every mainstream scientific projection I’ve seen of AGW consequences has proved to be in the optimistic to way too optimistic range. Perhaps we don’t have as much time to do something about it as the US MSM is telling us? The transnational elite who decide political priorities and what the legacy and most online media tell us seem to think they can buy their way out of the consequences, and leave us stuck with a bill we will pay both with money and with blood.

    Read Jason Diamond’s book “Collapse”  http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Societies-Choose-Fail-Survive/dp/0140279512 for case studies of elites who died trying to buy their way out of the consequences of their own mistakes. The tragedy isn’t that they died, it’s that they took their societies down the crapper with them.

    • charlieprimero

       “Do Something”?  You people are going to hang onto this nonsense forever I guess.

      I seriously do not understand your devotion to the Climate Fraud.  Perhaps its a power thing.  Maybe its just decades of indoctrination to love of Big Mommy.  I don’t know. 

    • charlieprimero

       “Do Something”?  You people are going to hang onto this nonsense forever I guess.

      I seriously do not understand your devotion to the Climate Fraud.  Perhaps its a power thing.  Maybe its just decades of indoctrination to love of Big Mommy.  I don’t know. 

      • JaceD

         “Island nations that have considered the possibility of evacuation at some point, like Tuvalu, may have to be contending those sort of decisions within the matter of a decade or so.”

        Only time will tell.

      • alizardx

        Why don’t you move to Tuvalu and get back to us about “climate fraud” in 5 years?

      • Andrew

        I suppose you have to question people’s motives, seeing as how you can’t argue against the evidence.

      • Andrew

        I suppose you have to question people’s motives, seeing as how you can’t argue against the evidence.

      • kowalityjesus

        I will take into account any theory you have for why the ice caps are melting, coral colonies are dying, oceans acidifying, droughts intensifying, species changing habitat, rainfall patterns changing, sea level rising, tundra retreating, etc.  Please do tell. 

        Also you don’t get to realistically say “cycles” because at this point the standard deviation from the historical norm is so great that the statistical likelihood of it bounding back to the way it was in for example 1850 is so remote as to be nearly absurd.

      • kowalityjesus

        I will take into account any theory you have for why the ice caps are melting, coral colonies are dying, oceans acidifying, droughts intensifying, species changing habitat, rainfall patterns changing, sea level rising, tundra retreating, etc.  Please do tell. 

        Also you don’t get to realistically say “cycles” because at this point the standard deviation from the historical norm is so great that the statistical likelihood of it bounding back to the way it was in for example 1850 is so remote as to be nearly absurd.

        • ishmael2009

          Hi Kowaltyjesus -

          Well 1850 was around the end of the little ice age so it wouldn’t be surprising if temperatures had risen since then. The IPCC states quite clearly that an anthropogenic effect on temperatures can only be detected from around 1970 – perhaps you disagree with them? Also, regarding your point about SD, can you cite a study for me showing the temp variation is outside the normal range by more than one SD? Thanks.

          Once we’ve cleared that up, I’d be delighted to discuss various theories about each of the phenomena you mention, citing scientific studies or reputable journals for each one. Some of my explanations will even include climate change as a causal factor.

          • kowalityjesus

            Without directly answering, I would like to challenge you in return to demonstrate that the standard deviation of current climate temperatures is NOT greater than one μ.  This would require you to demonstrate that the current temperature norms are within 68% of the historical average on any scale, given a standard bell-shaped curve distribution matrix.  I do not have knowledge or data of the requisite literature to answer your question and cannot profess to, so I would be interested if you could enlighten me.

            I will further challenge you to answer whether certain mildly-to-moderately-anomalous aspects of our current climatological data set could not be easily explained by an abundance of Carbon Dioxide, which has been proven to have infrared-insulating properties, thus accounting for a rise in the mean temperature of the lower atmosphere. Thank you for your civil engagement, and I will accept any response from you.

          • kowalityjesus

            Without directly answering, I would like to challenge you in return to demonstrate that the standard deviation of current climate temperatures is NOT greater than one μ.  This would require you to demonstrate that the current temperature norms are within 68% of the historical average on any scale, given a standard bell-shaped curve distribution matrix.  I do not have knowledge or data of the requisite literature to answer your question and cannot profess to, so I would be interested if you could enlighten me.

            I will further challenge you to answer whether certain mildly-to-moderately-anomalous aspects of our current climatological data set could not be easily explained by an abundance of Carbon Dioxide, which has been proven to have infrared-insulating properties, thus accounting for a rise in the mean temperature of the lower atmosphere. Thank you for your civil engagement, and I will accept any response from you.

    • ishmael2009

      A. Lizard – It’s Jared Diamond, not Jason Diamond. And Google “Jared Diamond controversy” for numerous reasons why you should take his arguments with a pinch of salt or three. 

    • ishmael2009

      A. Lizard – It’s Jared Diamond, not Jason Diamond. And Google “Jared Diamond controversy” for numerous reasons why you should take his arguments with a pinch of salt or three. 

    • ishmael2009

      A. Lizard – It’s Jared Diamond, not Jason Diamond. And Google “Jared Diamond controversy” for numerous reasons why you should take his arguments with a pinch of salt or three. 

  • anon

    There is a difference between sea ice and land ice.

  • anon

    There is a difference between sea ice and land ice.

  • Simiantongue

    Excellent. I shall have to move up the enlistment of recruits for my oil tanker society. I will need sufficient numbers to take on a few decent size atolls before I will be able to replenish the ranks. Why aren’t you rowing cousins?

  • Simiantongue

    Excellent. I shall have to move up the enlistment of recruits for my oil tanker society. I will need sufficient numbers to take on a few decent size atolls before I will be able to replenish the ranks. Why aren’t you rowing cousins?

  • Simiantongue

    Excellent. I shall have to move up the enlistment of recruits for my oil tanker society. I will need sufficient numbers to take on a few decent size atolls before I will be able to replenish the ranks. Why aren’t you rowing cousins?

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