Free Thinking Soldiers Now Terrorists?

By on October 13, 2012 in News 40

Abby Martin takes a look at social media in the military and the branding of US soldiers who have independent thought as potential terrorists, by highlighting the case of Brandon Raub.

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  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Well, it is true that Timothy McVeigh was a “war hero” until he decided to draw up his own target list.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Well, it is true that Timothy McVeigh was a “war hero” until he decided to draw up his own target list.

    • Ted Heistman

       Yeah, but I think they are talking about “liking” Occupy Wall street on facebook. Seriously.

      The shit could go right over the dam quickly and that’s what they are worried about. Large scale mutiny.

    • Ted Heistman

       Yeah, but I think they are talking about “liking” Occupy Wall street on facebook. Seriously.

      The shit could go right over the dam quickly and that’s what they are worried about. Large scale mutiny.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    it has always amused me that the Army of the Great Democracy
    is not a democratic institution, it’s not even a republic
    it’s a full-on dictatorship
    designed to keep US sheeple free

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    it has always amused me that the Army of the Great Democracy
    is not a democratic institution, it’s not even a republic
    it’s a full-on dictatorship
    designed to keep US sheeple free

    • Hadrian999

      no effective army can be democratic in any real sense

    • Hadrian999

      no effective army can be democratic in any real sense

      • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

        the Army voted in Nam
        it was called fragging
        but there are mo betta ways
        like electing officers & non-coms
        voting on non-combat regulations
        & the ability to impeach & prosecute elected officers
        as well as refuse to engage in illegal aggression by vote

        and even more democratic
        let the sheeple vote on whether there will be a war

      • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

        the Army voted in Nam
        it was called fragging
        but there are mo betta ways
        like electing officers & non-coms
        voting on non-combat regulations
        & the ability to impeach & prosecute elected officers
        as well as refuse to engage in illegal aggression by vote

        and even more democratic
        let the sheeple vote on whether there will be a war

        • Hadrian999

          notice the effective part, nam was a failure

        • Hadrian999

          notice the effective part, nam was a failure

          • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

            notice you don’t have any ideas to back-up your indoctrination

          • Hadrian999

            the role of an army is to win, that is all. every other thing it does is a side effect. if a army were democratic a vast majority of it’s voters would be the least trained, least experienced, and most likely to vote down discipline or hardship. an army that is dictated to by the rank an file is an army that would have laughable combat readiness. any combat veteran knows there is nothing quite so loathsome and lazy as a PV1. civilian life can function in this way but a machine of war cannot.

          • Hadrian999

            the role of an army is to win, that is all. every other thing it does is a side effect. if a army were democratic a vast majority of it’s voters would be the least trained, least experienced, and most likely to vote down discipline or hardship. an army that is dictated to by the rank an file is an army that would have laughable combat readiness. any combat veteran knows there is nothing quite so loathsome and lazy as a PV1. civilian life can function in this way but a machine of war cannot.

          • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

            it’s pretty clear you haven’t a clue about democracy
            and Nam wasn’t a failure because of democracy
            but because of the lack of it

            your attitude, shared by many so indoctrinated
            overlooks the possibility of a democratic process in war
            which Athens had in place over 2500 years ago

            if you have to use totalitarian methods
            to defend democracy
            then it’s not democracy that’s being defended
            it’s the defense of totalitarian ways

          • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

            it’s pretty clear you haven’t a clue about democracy
            and Nam wasn’t a failure because of democracy
            but because of the lack of it

            your attitude, shared by many so indoctrinated
            overlooks the possibility of a democratic process in war
            which Athens had in place over 2500 years ago

            if you have to use totalitarian methods
            to defend democracy
            then it’s not democracy that’s being defended
            it’s the defense of totalitarian ways

          • Hadrian999

            i didn’t say nam was a failure because of democracy, i fust said it was a failure, any action that was part of a failure isn’t convincing proof of it’s effectivness. as for athens…..it fell not convincing of proof. a nation or culture that falls isn’t a viable model. ethics, morals, philosophies are only worthwhile if they make you stronger, otherwise they are only the mental masturbation of vassal states.in the end it doesn’t really matter, the west has failed already and no amount of military force, no show of martial skill, gallantry or courage can change. we have rotted away inside our armor. soon we will take our turn as the recipient of unequal treaties and only have the past to talk about.

          • Hadrian999

            i didn’t say nam was a failure because of democracy, i fust said it was a failure, any action that was part of a failure isn’t convincing proof of it’s effectivness. as for athens…..it fell not convincing of proof. a nation or culture that falls isn’t a viable model. ethics, morals, philosophies are only worthwhile if they make you stronger, otherwise they are only the mental masturbation of vassal states.in the end it doesn’t really matter, the west has failed already and no amount of military force, no show of martial skill, gallantry or courage can change. we have rotted away inside our armor. soon we will take our turn as the recipient of unequal treaties and only have the past to talk about.

          • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

            true Der Homeland is headed the way of Rome
            but it took Rome over 1000 years to get there
            the death of Der Homeland is highly over rated

            in the mean time,
            maybe we could get a little democracy going
            it beats this totalitarian shit by miles

          • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

            true Der Homeland is headed the way of Rome
            but it took Rome over 1000 years to get there
            the death of Der Homeland is highly over rated

            in the mean time,
            maybe we could get a little democracy going
            it beats this totalitarian shit by miles

        • Hadrian999

          notice the effective part, nam was a failure

        • Hadrian999

          notice the effective part, nam was a failure

        • Hadrian999

          notice the effective part, nam was a failure

      • BunkersTrust

        But if you want military efficiency in the ordinary sense, there is no escaping from the professional soldier, and so long as the professional soldier is in control he will see to it that the army is not democratised. And what is true within the armed forces is true of the nation as a whole; every increase in the strength of the military machine means more power for the forces of reaction. It is possible that some of our more Left-wing jingoes are acting with their eyes open. If they are, they must be aware that the News-Chronicle version of “defence of democracy” leads directly away from democracy, even in the narrow nineteenth-century sense of political liberty, independence of the trade unions and freedom of speech and the press.

        George Orwell 1939

  • Anti-Citizen1

    That dastardly villain Bradley Manning is still in the hole.

  • Anti-Citizen1

    That dastardly villain Bradley Manning is still in the hole.

  • 333

    That I was telling for more than 30 years – US and its allies just plays role of countries of freedom  to  be in good contrast with Soviet Union.  But no more USSR, and no need to hide true totalitarian nature. The hell has just began. 

  • 333

    That I was telling for more than 30 years – US and its allies just plays role of countries of freedom  to  be in good contrast with Soviet Union.  But no more USSR, and no need to hide true totalitarian nature. The hell has just began. 

    • Ted Heistman

       …something to that. I just watched “V for Vendetta” again and…HOLY FUCK! It doesn’t seem that far off…

    • Ted Heistman

       …something to that. I just watched “V for Vendetta” again and…HOLY FUCK! It doesn’t seem that far off…

    • 333

      Ugly face of tyranny is always under a mask of liberalism. Look at Pinochet’s Chile. 

    • 333

      Ugly face of tyranny is always under a mask of liberalism. Look at Pinochet’s Chile. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bruce-Miller/100000952005408 Bruce Miller

    It was shocking for me to learn that Ford made money in WWII in deals with “The Enemy” Even more shocking the roles played by Bush money? Other American corporations? until I began to understand that wars were fought on behalf of the rich shareholders who invoke wars to make money! Even watching the lies for the reasons for the Iraq conflict, as they were revealed after the fact were stunning. Vietnam today fully communist, and still prospering? Less unemployment there than in the U.S.A.? WRF?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bruce-Miller/100000952005408 Bruce Miller

    It was shocking for me to learn that Ford made money in WWII in deals with “The Enemy” Even more shocking the roles played by Bush money? Other American corporations? until I began to understand that wars were fought on behalf of the rich shareholders who invoke wars to make money! Even watching the lies for the reasons for the Iraq conflict, as they were revealed after the fact were stunning. Vietnam today fully communist, and still prospering? Less unemployment there than in the U.S.A.? WRF?

    • lilbear68

      prescott bush the patriach of the bush dynasty was tried for treason at ww1

      • Calypso_1

        No he wasn’t.  There are plenty of problems with that family and its history to address. 
        The facts are not hard to find.  A bank, of which he was a director, had it’s assets seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act.  But you are not even in the right world war. 

      • Calypso_1

        No he wasn’t.  There are plenty of problems with that family and its history to address. 
        The facts are not hard to find.  A bank, of which he was a director, had it’s assets seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act.  But you are not even in the right world war. 

  • lilbear68

    anyone who has independent thought or is a critical thinker is a terrorist, not just the military

  • lilbear68

    anyone who has independent thought or is a critical thinker is a terrorist, not just the military