Will You Vote Not To?

Not voting is often a matter of principle for some people. Stand up comedian Mike Payne makes a seriously good case here:

I don’t vote. I also avoid conversations about voting, because when I mention I don’t vote, otherwise reasonable people respond by shrieking like a hyena that has been freebasing.

MAN travels in packs; even supposed !INDIVIDUALISTS! feel better when they can be part of the mob. Voting helps sate this craving, and trying to argue the herd out of herding is like giving the finger to gravity. Doesn’t accomplish much.

Still, the sanctimony of proud voters during Presidential races is so feverish I can’t help myself.

The least impressive argument I hear from voters: People died to give you the right to vote.

So what? People also died defending the Third Reich. Their dying for a cause doesn’t alter the merits of the cause one bit. Dying isn’t a big deal. People die running themselves over with their own riding lawnmowers. Their death doesn’t elevate my view of them.

Look at how progressives react when a Christian tells them that Jesus died for us. The progressives laugh, gag, or squawk (not a bad name for a game show). What they don’t do is start going to church. Progressives–or just non-Christians in general–don’t feel any obligation to Christ based on his dying for a cause.

I remember once speaking to someone–a proud progressive, AND SHE VOTES!–who couldn’t leave well enough alone. She kept serving big, clichéd bowls of “It’s your civic duty to vote” chowder.

Finally I said something like, “I don’t believe in the political system, so by not participating, I am being the change I want to see in the world.”

His defence of not voting continues on his excellent blog.

It’s not just a minority of people who appear to agree with him. Foreign Policy reports:

[W]hat I don’t understand is why no one is addressing the elephant in the room: the fact that some 40 percent of Americans of voting age don’t see any reason to cast their votes on election day at all.

In national election after national election, eligible voters who choose to refrain from voting make up what some political scientists have called a “silent plurality.” There have been moments when that plurality was pretty close to becoming a majority. In 1996, 49.1 percent of the voting age population declined to go to the polls. In 2008, turnout of eligible voters went all the way up to 61.7 percent — the highest since 1968, mind you. But the number of those who refused to vote — or just didn’t care — was still significantly larger than those who voted for Barack Obama, the winning candidate. Non-voters, in short, make up the biggest electoral bloc in the nation.

I wonder if my fellow Disinfonaughts agree with voting or not? Place your vote in the comments section..

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  • http://twitter.com/Varuka Varuka Salt

    Alternate title: How to completely cop out and still mamke yourself feel superior.

    • BuzzCoastin

      the German’s voted for Hitler
      Russians voted for Stalin
      Egyptians elected Hosni Mubarak
      Zimbabweans Robert Mugabe
      Amerikans voted for Bush & Halliburton Cheney

      most dictators prefer to be elected by popular vote
      that way the sham is complete
      and the sheeple have spoken

      • mannyfurious

        As an avowed apathist (or whatever you call someone who promotes apathy), I find myself surprised at what I’m about to write….

        The counterargument would be, “Well, if more people had voted against Hitler, or against Stalin, or against Mubarak, or Bush, then we wouldn’t be talking about them right now.”

        By not voting, you are complicit in whatever the results may be.

        • BuzzCoastin

          none of those elections was a fair and free election
          so what voters did had no effect on the outcome
          it simply made dictatorship look like it was popularly elected

          • mannyfurious

            All societies receive the government they deserve. If their government is fascist, deceitful and corrupt, then the people have no one to blame but themselves. Voting may not solve anything, but not voting doesn’t either.

            And, again, let’s be honest, this country has the potential to look quite different depending on whether Romney or Obama is elected. Most of the important issues may look the same, unfortunately, and there’s no denying that. But I do believe Obama is progressive enough on many “social” issues that voting for him is defensible.

          • Andrew

            > All societies receive the government they deserve. If their government
            is fascist, deceitful and corrupt, then the people have no one to blame
            but themselves.

            So what you’re saying is, if Romney is elected, you deserve to have him as your president?

          • mannyfurious

            That argument could certainly be made. Although I’m speaking in macro terms. I would argue that I, as an individual, do not deserve Romney, but my country probably does.

          • BuzzCoastin

            what radically changed between Bush & Obama?
            on the surface they are poles apart
            but Obama carried on & extended Bush’s military agenda

            and went back on most of his promises
            installed the foxes as guards to the Fed house
            NDAAed an unknown number & has a “kill list”

            yeah, I see my error now
            Romney would be much worse than that

          • mannyfurious

            No, you’re a hundred percent right. That’s why I said that most of the truly important issues won’t change under either Romney or Obama. They’re the same when it comes to important issues. I’m not an idealist man. I don’t be believe Obama is the clear choice to a better country. Obama’s a right-leaning centrist as far as I’m concerned. I just think the small differences between him and Romney still justify a vote. What I’m saying is that voting to oppose Romney is still a justifiable act.

          • BuzzCoastin

            > but not voting doesn’t either

            agreed, if it just stops at not voting
            but by not voting and leaving the system in other ways
            and by finding ways to live within the system
            but not in the system
            that is a model to pursue for those of us who don’t trust
            they are doing the right thing

          • mannyfurious

            Yeah, I think I get where you’re coming from. Again, I’m kind of just playing devil’s advocate. I don’t really hold it against anyone if they vote. Maybe I’m mostly trying to justify my own actions, since I continue to vote.

    • BuzzCoastin

      the German’s voted for Hitler
      Russians voted for Stalin
      Egyptians elected Hosni Mubarak
      Zimbabweans Robert Mugabe
      Amerikans voted for Bush & Halliburton Cheney

      most dictators prefer to be elected by popular vote
      that way the sham is complete
      and the sheeple have spoken

    • Matt Staggs

      HAIL MAMKE, GOD OF UNWARRANTED SELF IMPORTANCE

    • Matt Staggs

      HAIL MAMKE, GOD OF UNWARRANTED SELF IMPORTANCE

  • BuzzCoastin

    when the choice is between the lesser of two evils
    it’s not an election or even a choice
    it’s a psyop for the sheeple
    to keep them feeling like they’re in control

  • BuzzCoastin

    when the choice is between the lesser of two evils
    it’s not an election or even a choice
    it’s a psyop for the sheeple
    to keep them feeling like they’re in control

  • http://www.facebook.com/rthoneunomia.celine Threedinium

    Vote, you change nothing. Don’t vote, you change nothing. Government still gonna do whatever the hell it likes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rthoneunomia.celine Threedinium

    Vote, you change nothing. Don’t vote, you change nothing. Government still gonna do whatever the hell it likes.

    • Malk

      I voted once, and was lied to, stolen from, and let down entirely. So I left the country. How’s that for choice. Fake system is broken.

    • Malk

      I voted once, and was lied to, stolen from, and let down entirely. So I left the country. How’s that for choice. Fake system is broken.

  • LOgicparty

    what if that mass of people who dont vote decided to vote for somebody that is actually worth voting for such as Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson…. IF the numbers where so massive it was impossible for private interests to botch the results maybe we would be getting somewhere…

  • LOgicparty

    what if that mass of people who dont vote decided to vote for somebody that is actually worth voting for such as Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson…. IF the numbers where so massive it was impossible for private interests to botch the results maybe we would be getting somewhere…

  • TANIA BAKER

    Not voting doesn’t imply voter apathy like most of the politically brainwashed of society tend to discern. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still like saying, “Yes Satan, please rape me where it hurts the most.” I think it’s possible that the voting system is most utilized as a calibration for how many Americans are still asleep in their capitalist rendition of The American Dream.

  • TANIA BAKER

    Not voting doesn’t imply voter apathy like most of the politically brainwashed of society tend to discern. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still like saying, “Yes Satan, please rape me where it hurts the most.” I think it’s possible that the voting system is most utilized as a calibration for how many Americans are still asleep in their capitalist rendition of The American Dream.

  • Leaf Heart

    The logic does create a nice line to follow. Yet I have to
    disagree. Choosing to not vote and then saying you aren’t responsible
    is denial of the reality that we are all responsible for what is going down
    right now. Every action is connected to the greater whole. In no way am I
    suggesting that you should vote, but your inaction has just as much effect as
    those who take action.The reality is that whoever gets elected will not be the

    change that humans are looking for. It will require us coming together to create
    change that better suits all of humanity. In this we are all responsible even
    if we don’t want to be. I didn’t choose be born in a country that chose to run
    over the Native Americans and enslave the people of Africa to build this
    nation. Yet I am responsible for this mess as my ancestors sure as hell played
    a part in where we are today. Everyone who lives in this country is responsible
    and those who say they are not, aren’t willing to heal the past and just end up
    creating more of the same mess.

  • Leaf Heart

    The logic does create a nice line to follow. Yet I have to
    disagree. Choosing to not vote and then saying you aren’t responsible
    is denial of the reality that we are all responsible for what is going down
    right now. Every action is connected to the greater whole. In no way am I
    suggesting that you should vote, but your inaction has just as much effect as
    those who take action.The reality is that whoever gets elected will not be the

    change that humans are looking for. It will require us coming together to create
    change that better suits all of humanity. In this we are all responsible even
    if we don’t want to be. I didn’t choose be born in a country that chose to run
    over the Native Americans and enslave the people of Africa to build this
    nation. Yet I am responsible for this mess as my ancestors sure as hell played
    a part in where we are today. Everyone who lives in this country is responsible
    and those who say they are not, aren’t willing to heal the past and just end up
    creating more of the same mess.

    • kcorb

      At least in reference to the George Carlin quote, I don’t think the “I’m not responsible” was meant the way you’re bending it. To say “I will not participate in this corrupt system and will not be accountable for it’s actions” is itself an act of taking responsibility. Doing so silently in your home doesn’t add up to much more than playing the voting game, but in this case someone is publicly expressing their option and making others think about their actions.

  • Dying_Fetus

    None of the fucking above!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEglx-or6k

  • Dying_Fetus

    None of the fucking above!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEglx-or6k

  • Devilbisssmith

    Every person is the right to take a Part in the election or Not.
    http://soundcloud.com/groups/offers-you-free-shipping-on-certain-order

  • Devilbisssmith

    Every person is the right to take a Part in the election or Not.
    http://soundcloud.com/groups/offers-you-free-shipping-on-certain-order

  • Anonymous

    Voting is a right. Right’s must be fought for in this world. Cause or no… Ghandi would not have been anything if he decided to glare smugly in the corner recognizing the fraud, yet refusing to do anything about it because it was inconvenient during small talk.

    If you want to ‘be the change’ then use the vote for what it’s for… your choice. Don’t choose the lesser of two evils. Use the write-in line to choose whom best represent your values and then help expose the fraud by retaining a copy of your selection. If the claimed 40% did that, then there would be enough to expose that which you are all wise and superior for seeing. Then, help the fight that will inevitably be needed to bring it to light.

    Remember: while there will always be corrupt political actors, there must always be other political actors who work against odds for positive change.

    Action creates change; not sitting looking the other way.

    If only there were people who could ignite that 40% to act… Don’t see them? Find those people and help them out or become one of them and make some damn change.

    ^

  • Anonymous

    Voting is a right. Right’s must be fought for in this world. Cause or no… Ghandi would not have been anything if he decided to glare smugly in the corner recognizing the fraud, yet refusing to do anything about it because it was inconvenient during small talk.

    If you want to ‘be the change’ then use the vote for what it’s for… your choice. Don’t choose the lesser of two evils. Use the write-in line to choose whom best represent your values and then help expose the fraud by retaining a copy of your selection. If the claimed 40% did that, then there would be enough to expose that which you are all wise and superior for seeing. Then, help the fight that will inevitably be needed to bring it to light.

    Remember: while there will always be corrupt political actors, there must always be other political actors who work against odds for positive change.

    Action creates change; not sitting looking the other way.

    If only there were people who could ignite that 40% to act… Don’t see them? Find those people and help them out or become one of them and make some damn change.

    ^

  • BrendanBabbage

    I don’t care if he’s “Fashionably Radical” – right or left, this is where I go “GwanovertoRussiayou…..”

    Benjamin Franklin said “A Republic, IF you can keep it…”

    People like this aid tyranny worse than the religious loons and one issue lobbyists and rich elite traitors, for the former at least have a reason that benefits themselves.

  • BrendanBabbage

    I don’t care if he’s “Fashionably Radical” – right or left, this is where I go “GwanovertoRussiayou…..”

    Benjamin Franklin said “A Republic, IF you can keep it…”

    People like this aid tyranny worse than the religious loons and one issue lobbyists and rich elite traitors, for the former at least have a reason that benefits themselves.

  • Haystack

    Your vote gives you a tiny amount of influence over the narrow scope of corporate American politics, but why not use it anyway? They wouldn’t be dumping billions into campaigning unless they thought something was at stake.

    I usually vote for third parties, so that at least the mainstream parties can “see” me not voting for them.

  • Haystack

    Your vote gives you a tiny amount of influence over the narrow scope of corporate American politics, but why not use it anyway? They wouldn’t be dumping billions into campaigning unless they thought something was at stake.

    I usually vote for third parties, so that at least the mainstream parties can “see” me not voting for them.

  • Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness

    I hear that in some countries, if voter turnout is quite low, they take that as a “vote of no confidence” and dissolve to govt. Often they also have a unified cultural identity and actual representation of the populous in governing affairs. Obviously, nothing like the US.

  • Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness

    I hear that in some countries, if voter turnout is quite low, they take that as a “vote of no confidence” and dissolve to govt. Often they also have a unified cultural identity and actual representation of the populous in governing affairs. Obviously, nothing like the US.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=773433966 Rus Archer

    i vote for me

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=773433966 Rus Archer

    i vote for me

  • Simiantongue

    You know the fast food business isn’t a bad analogy for the political process today. Our political system is as processed as fast food, there are a multitude of similarities. On an individual basis people may partake of it now and again and it probably leaves a really nice taste on the tongue in an instant gratification kind of way. But the effect on society as a whole, it works like bad nutrition. It has a cumulative affect, a slow poisoning of the system if you know what I mean. I don’t intend to have an active part in that whether it’s fast food or the political process. The only sensible solution to that is abstinence only or you’re helping to perpetuate it. Voting is much like a person occasionally buying fast food. Peopl will make excuses to themselves “Well I only get it rarely and that’s not too bad for me”. That’s true it isn’t that bad for you personally. But you’re doing your small part in perpetuating a larger problem to society. On a larger scale people die of all sorts of civilized diseases because we all partake occasionally.

    So why don’t I get in there and vote it all away! Heh that’s the problem, you can’t. Your faced with two choices in this paradigm. The fats, sugars and salts from McDonalds or salts sugars and fats from Burger King and that’s the frame of debate that both restaurants work hard to keep. They perpetuate the illusion that you have a choice to change things by voting for one or another. Hey look, McDonalds has apple slices and sells salads, certainly the lesser of two evils if you “have” to choose one. Actually no.

    The only answer is a collapse of the paradigm. It’s not something I want to see because it’s inevitably the least fortunate that suffer the most. Society needs to be weened off a lethal political diet of fats, sugars and salts. At this point it has gone well beyond type II diabetes, so weening is difficult if not dangerous. Go grab yourself a carrot stick and cook a good dinner for the kiddies, do whatever the hell you like. Whatever it is you choose for dinner just do everyone a favor, stay the fuck away from those fast food shitholes, stop voting, because you’re just perpetuating the political paradigm.

    …Is that foot turning black? Can you give it a smell for me? Damn…

    • uRaSERF

      Yet voting is a small part of the paradigm perpetuation. You still pay taxes all the time, which is basically saying “yes, I support the current government with my earnings, even though I did not vote, or voted for the other government”. Paying taxes is like voting x1000. If you pay taxes and don’t vote, you are NOT sticking it to the man.

  • Aleks

    I’ve decided not to vote because i’ve been affected by our corrupt government. i have my medical marijuana rec but as of last month i have no were to go to get my medecine. i’ve damaged my hand to the point where i need surgery and i can’t afford it nor can i take the pain.

    every single one of the clinics close to me has been closed down, not by dea but by city councils and the mayor. there was no petitioning, no voting they just decided we dont want them in our cities.

    after that how am i supposed to believe that anyone voting will make any difference in with our corrupt government.

  • mannyfurious

    I am a strong proponent of apathy. I think if more people gave less of a shit about stupid things, this world would be a much better place. I also have no real problem with people who don’t vote, and I might even admire them to some extent.

    With that said, if you didn’t vote in 2000 or 2004, you’re partially responsible for the reign of right-wing terror this country went through during those years. It’s eerie how quickly people forget things. As terrible as Obama has been, the 8 years under Dubya were an absolute bukkake-fest of the worst sort. I certainly didn’t enjoy the double fisting I took during that time. And even if my vote doesn’t stop it from happening again, at least I did the barest minimum from trying to stop it. Seriously, what does it hurt or not hurt to take 8 minutes out of your year every 2-4 years and mark a bubble? Also, I still argue this is a liberal nation and the reason why it doesn’t seem that way is because many “liberals” don’t fucking vote. You all sit around and bitch and moan about the mutants who have hijacked this country, but the fact remains that the mutants go out and fucking vote. There is power in numbers, and if this wasn’t a liberal country, the right-wingers wouldn’t be spending so much time and energy trying to stop people from voting. If this was a right-wing country, truly, the right-wingers would be doing everything in their power to loosen voting laws, not tightening them. Think about it.

    The “lesser of two evils” is still a lesser evil. If I have to choose between herpes and AIDS, you best believe I’m choosing herpes motherfucker. If I have to choose between Romney and Obama, I’m either voting Green or socialist, or I’m picking the guy who at least seems to remotely care about little things like gay and women’s rights and who at least has the decency to lie to me about his plans to make the richest among us pay a little bit more for this nifty little thing we call “Civilization.” You know what it is, civiilization, it’s got public roads and firemen and schools and public lands and people who pick up your trash and all the other pretty cool stuff that makes life not so completely terrible. At least Obama has the decency to lie to me. Romney smiles like a baboon as he admits he’d like to try to shove three fists up my ass over the next four years.

  • DeepCough

    Write in “Fuck You” in the ballot, that would make a difference.

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