“A Glimpse of the True Nature and High Potential of Chi power”

By on November 28, 2012 in News 52

“I am trying to keep an open mind. Can someone show a video clip of a Taichi Master throwing animals like a big dog or a bear? That will certainly convince me”.- therainbowsurf, top rated You Tube commentator

From the YouTube video’s description:

Ven Lama Dondrup Dorje, a renowned master, teacher of international champions who collected 370 gold medals from 1992 to 1998; here demonstates at the Fifth International Chinese Internal Arts Festival, England in 1996.
Ven Lama Dondrup Dorje demonstrates the application of Energy Bubble, Fa Jing, Fa Chi and Fa Shen. See more at www.pathgate.org

From The Pathgate website:

Qi is the Intrinsic Energy which sustains the configuration and integrity of all forms and substances in the Universe. It is the Life Force which regulates the ebb and flow of the vitality of all things. It is referred to as rlung in Tibetan, prana in Sanskrit, ki in Japanese. Aristotle referred to it as the souls of energy that exist throughout nature where signs of life are to be found.

I’ve always been amazed at the unbelievable claims made regarding “chi” energy. A number of people I know personally have a solid faith in its existence. For those uninitiated in this particular belief system it’s like “the force” in Star Wars[1].

At the end of this video there are some suggestions from the world famous martial arts master George Dillman regarding advanced combat techniques which may help you defend yourself against a “chi” attack, should an assailant decide to use their incredible powers upon you!

In summary these include:

A) Moving your tongue into a different position.

B) Moving your big toes up and down.

C) Being a skeptical about it whether it exists or not.

This debate is not going to go away. It seems likely to me that there must be something in it, I’ve just got no idea what.

Nick Margerrison.

Footnotes:

The headline for this piece is taken from the first video linked to.

[1] George Lucas ripped off the idea, not the other way round.

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  • Daniel Reasor

    Show me the guy who takes his chi into the UFC Octagon. And wins.

  • Alex

    And the Academy award for excellence in overacting goes to…

  • DrDavidKelly

    Yeah I’m calling it BS. Maybe Derren Brown should investigate?

  • wofta
    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

      Poor old fella. That young guy should have taken it easy on him. What’s to be gained by those extra few punches, chops and kick at the end? If there’s one thing MA brings out in people, it’s fucking ego. Teaching someone how to punch, and they think it’s OK to use it for their own purposes. Assholes.

      • Kevin Leonard

        I think the MMA fighter did take it easy on him.

        • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

          He definitely did. It was a nhb challenge match, they agreed to the rules and it was “kiai masters” idea in the first place Adam. Poor old fella has my respect for testing his ideology in a real world setting.

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.fischer.73 Eric Fischer

          It definitely wasn’t an expert MMA fighter either. If people really want to settle it, determine the best Tai Chi/ Quigong fighter to be found and put him up against the best MMA fighter in his weight class.
          I’d personally lay my money on Dos Santos/Jon Jones/ Anderson Silva/ GSP/ Ben Henderson/ Jose Aldo/ etc…

    • Daniel Reasor

      The old man asked for a rematch after respeccing to Brewmaster.

    • zombiebob

      yeah, but the MMA guy got chi-cancer and died about 2 years later, bet they don’t talk about that!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/5OQFBZ26C3VQ5ONGZGDBDY4BUU Mark A

    I would like to put on a white t-shirt and black pants and go slap that guy on the side of his head.

    • cakey pig

      It would be a very pleasing thing to watch. I reckon he’d burst into tears.

  • http://www.facebook.com/KaneVonDoom Kane VonDoom

    I’m open minded about Chi/Qi being a very real thing but it’s assholes like this that misuse the term and discredit the whole concept.

    Similar to some self proclaimed alchemists that make ridiculous claims while knowing nothing of what alchemy is intended to be.

  • InfvoCuernos

    LOL Chi Balls

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

    Maybe I can use my Chi against the trolls posting the spam…

    • http://www.facebook.com/eric.fischer.73 Eric Fischer

      Better hope your Chi is superior to the guy in this video’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rthoneunomia.celine Threedinium

    Yeah neither of those videos were particularly inspiring to watch were they. I tried to teach myself a bit of tai chi and I have intense visualisations of the energy and I’m fairly convinced at the time I can feel it moving around within/a small distance around and outside of the body, that some sort of exchange is happening, but nothing ever approaching flinging men across the room with a flick of the hand. I currently consider chi practice more of an efficient way of enhancing body/brain feedback through visualisation/sensation maybe.

  • kowalityjesus

    While I am quite sure they are overacting, it may be my imagination but there does seem to be some vectoral anomalies.

  • Kevin Leonard

    I’m an acupuncturist. I studied Taichi, and qigong for a long time. I’ve seen and experienced some really interesting and amazing things. I mostly studied Mantak Chia’s system, who is famous for first revealing some of the Taoist secret sexual practices publicly… also for teaching Iron Shirt publicly, and so forth. I’ve also studied other systems and with several men who I readily consider Masters. But I’ve always had difficulty believing these demonstrations.

    I once engaged in a lengthy discourse with one of Dorje’s students, who insisted that the phenomena was real, asking him in as many different ways as I could imagine, what the catch was. Some of the videos provided, as kowalityjesus suggested, show some “vector anomolies,” but I was persistent, until finally the student admitted that there was “a certain amount of willingness” by the student to be thrown around like that.

  • DeepCough

    “Chi” means “blood,” okay, that’s what it fucking means, mystery solved; now go learn yourself some real boxing.

    • Kevin Leonard

      Sorry, no. Chi and blood are clearly differentiated in Chinese Medicine. Both Chinese medicine and Taichi have common origins with Taoist philosophies.

      • DeepCough

        “World English Dictionary

        chi, ch’i or qi2 (tʃiː)

        —n

        (sometimes capital) (in Oriental medicine, martial arts, etc) vital energy believed to circulate round the body in currents…”

        Hmmm, sounds an awful lot like “blood” to me. It would also interest you to know in Japanese, “chi” translates to “blood” as well. After all, without blood, you would not be able to carry vital nutrients and oxygen through your body, mm’kay.

        • Kevin Leonard

          The word for qi in Japanese is ki. Chi in Japanese is something entirely different
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_elements_(Japanese_philosophy)#Chi

          One of the functions of chi/ qi in Chinese medicine is to move and warm the blood (xue).
          Check my other post. You are arguing with an acupuncturist.

        • mechifidigiblipi

          stop being dumb. you clearly don’t understand the concept of chi as it is to the orient

          • DeepCough

            I understand it involves elaborate choreography to appear like it’s a real thing……

          • Calypso_1

            You know what generates powerful Chi? Cannabis.

          • Ceausescu

            Sometimes, after a cannabis session, I do exercises consisting of dancing, gymnastics, “martial arts” ( I put it in brackets because I made up all the moves by using common sense ), and exercises of strength and resilience using only body weight and body pressure.

            Cannabis helps me relax, visualize, and it also shows me what are the limits and how to gently overcome them.

          • DeepCough

            Then by that logic, DMT will turn me into a Super Saiyan.

          • Calypso_1

            Thats more of a connection of the Greater Kan & Li.

          • http://twitter.com/SamuraiGray Samuel James

            Cannabis and many other substances which are considered intoxicants by most, and some which aren’t such as coffee, can serve to remove qi blockages within the body, or speed the circulation of qi. In and of itself, cannabis does not generate qi, but it can also help increase lung capacity and that does increase qi circulation.
            DMT, I believe is working in a different way entirely and goes far beyond such things, illuminating the unconscious rather than one’s physical body and mind.

        • http://twitter.com/SamuraiGray Samuel James

          Qi does circulate around the body in currents, but it comes from the air according to the yoga-samkhya school’s description of prana (the Indian equivalent) and then via the lungs and circulatory system passes from the air to the blood to the internal organs and limbs, nourishing one’s lifeforce. Put scientifically, it is photons. All the talk in the New Age movement of one’s ‘light body’ or ‘etheric body’ refers specifically to the network of meridians within the without the body that serve as the pathways for qi.

          • Kevin Leonard

            Dude. Sorry, I’m going to have to call you out on this. Qi is not photons. Did you read that somewhere? Throw that book away. First it comes from the air, then it is photons? That is a bigger stretch than saying qi is equivalent to blood. Please see my other comment above to drew hempel.

            While we are at it, let’s also not call qi and prana equivalent. They are correlative, they are not equivalent. In Chinese medicine philosophy, the qi that circulates in the body is produced from blending qi from the air, qi from food and qi that is inherited from our parents with some intermediary stages and some subsequent stages. The models are different.

            I frequently use the word etheric to speak generically about the different models of the subtle bodies in people, but “light body” has too many connotations that have nothing to do with the etheric body, and none are as specific as the model of qi from classical sources.

          • http://twitter.com/SamuraiGray Samuel James

            No I didn’t read that in a book, but I did hear that in an astral travel experiment that was done in China and seemed to prove astral travel’s validity, at the point (post-experiment) when the subject suggested that they had been engaging in the travel, the photo-receptor instrumentation detected a sudden surge in the room of photons. My error here may be in associating this light-body of astral travel with one’s subtle body comprising qi as it passes through the meridians. Fair enough.
            But if what you said is your definition of qi (which I’d agree with), then what do you define prana as? What you’ve said is pretty much how I’ve heard prana defined as well.

          • Kevin Leonard

            Ok. There are some distinctions here. I have read elsewhere that there is some evidence of a bio-luminescent effect from subtle bodies. This would be photons emitting from “…” (something). But photons have specific behaviours (particle/wave) that are not part of any models of qi. The qi/ astral bodies would be the source of the photons and not the photons themselves.

            Re: qi vs. prana. I think it is important to look at them as models of reality instead of reality itself. When comparing different models of subtle bodies, be they Chinese/ Taoist or Indian/ Vedic or Western/ Theosophy/ Anthroposophy/ Orgone, none are identical. Each model is informed by their cultural millieu and/ or the perspective of the initial observers and teachers. Frankly, if you pursue firsthand experience with your subtle bodies from a Taoist qigong master or from a Swami yoga master, you will have different experiences and a different firsthand understanding of qi/ prana. This is why when speaking generically, I am partial to referring to the etheric body. There is less of a system of ideologies and practices associated with the term.

            When referring to the subtle bodies at large, as one of my teachers said, “There are many ways to slice a cake. How many pieces do you want?” In Theosophy, they generally refer to seven layers of subtle bodies beyond the physcial (etheric, astral/ emotional, mental, causal, buddhic, atmic, monadic). It is generally easier to remain concerned with 3 subtle bodies beyond the physical – etheric, astral, and spirit. Each of those can be divided into different aspects. Pantanjali classifies five types of prana. TCM masters have classified over 90 types of qi. I would consider the “qi body” and the “pranic body” to be subsets of the etheric.

          • http://twitter.com/SamuraiGray Samuel James

            Wow, ok I wasn’t expecting that decent of an answer. Thanks!
            I can understand why, in the health professions and acupuncture particularly, such distinctions need to be made. I just think that no matter how you slice the cake, whether you call it cake or tarta, whether you eat it with a fork or your fingers, it remains cake. From an empirical position- and I could be wrong about the photons- regardless of the school from which you learn about something, remove it from its cultural container and its identical to the same thing in other schools.

          • Kevin Leonard

            :) I know a pastry chef who would be frustrated if you referred to cake and tarts as the same thing, but yes, they are all baked sweets. ;)

  • drokhole

    Thought this guy was a more interesting case:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F3ovb2kZ9Q

    • Kevin Leonard

      this guy is definitely interesting

  • emperorreagan

    I think there’s a lot to be said for intent and focus. Visualizations can be useful, too. That’s what I think of as chi as in my own martial arts practice.

    Nerve centers and pressure points? Useful too, if you can hit or grab someone there.

    Intent and focus, though, aren’t going to knock anyone out. You need good form and application of technique for that.

  • IG

    Yeah I gotta call BS there. Now if the ‘assailant’ in the 1st film did a running/jump kick and was flung mid-air that would be something else! It amazes me people still fall for the woo-woo when we have physics, thermodynamics…all that stuff…

  • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

    MMA’s response to chi alone martial arts is telling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

    • Matt Staggs

      Hilarious.

      • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

        And Gratifying :)

  • Bill

    The Worst day of this poor mans life!! Kiai Master vs MMA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhhWcRGRtOI

  • drew hempel

    The real qigong masters living in the U.S. that I have personally experienced as real are Effie P. Chow in S.F. and Chuynyi Lin in Minnesota and he trained two others to be qigong masters — Jim Nance and Lesley Vincent. These masters can do long distance healing. There is “chi” or “qi” which is used in Tai Chi – but they call it “jing” — that is the secret of this training. Read the book “Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality” translated by Charles Luk — it’s free online. O.K. I did this training to finish my masters degree at the U of MN in 2000. I assure you this is real but it’s jokingly called “virgin kungfu” in the old school kungfu movies — why? Because the training requires total celibacy of mind and body – no ejaculations. The jing is the build up sex energy that is then transformed into electromagnetic energy. This works via the vagus nerve – the right side vagus nerve connects the reproductive organs to the pineal gland – it is also the secret for multiple internal orgasms. This was just figured out by science in 2004!! haha. Males can do this also through the yoga training – the secret is the diaphragm as the muscle to activate the vagus nerve so that the huge store of serotonin then goes into the brain via the cerebrospinal fluid activating the endothelial cells. So for orgasm the male ejaculation triggers the stress sympathetic nervous system while the internal orgasm stays in the parasympathetic nervous system. So it’s like building up the parasympathetic nervous system energy. This then changes the potassium to sodium ratios via ACTH – it’s exactly how electric eels work too. John Chang even refers to himself as an electric eel. haha. So after the chi builds up — the electromagnetic energy — then it increases the shen or spirit energy which is coherent biophotons — quantum biology using quantum non-local entanglement. This is now proven for birds, photosynthesis, etc. Quantum biology is brand new — so skeptics like PZ Myers, etc. refuse to acknowledge it. haha. Ironic that skeptics claim to be rational but don’t keep up on the latest science! Victor Stenger is another one — quantum biology is now proven for warm wet environments like the human brain. Dr. Mae-Wan Ho is the best on this — basically qi energy is not limited to the nervous system but instead is activated by the piezoelectric transduction of the most common protein in the body – the collagen connective tissue. So this is the electrochemical energy and it’s connected to emotional energy that is stored in the organs of the body. It works through proton conduction and so enables alchemy free energy but it has to be through harmonization of the yin-yang channels — or negative and positive energy — the parasympathetic and sympathetic. So the practice is to keep converting the yin electrochemical energy into yang electromagnetic and this is from the left side vagus nerve connecting from the brain to the heart — the increased serotonin then increases the oxytocin levels via the vagus nerve activation so there is real heart love. This takes about 40 internal orgasms and then the heart increases the electromagnetic energy. This energy then has to be stored up where the vagus nerve connects to the reproductive organs – stored up in the endothelial tissues — just like how it’s stored up for electric eels. So it’s a very tricky practice and it requires getting the energy transmissions from a qigong master to build up your electromagnetic energy and then practicing six hours on your own and males have to avoid females and also contact with any pervs addicted to ejaculation — this is why qigong masters are so rare and traditionally in China it’s only done after mastering external kungfu so a person can defend themselves against pervs — just like they get beat up in the old school kungfu movies. So obviously it’s not P.C. but this culture comes from the original human culture for 90% of human history — the San Bushmen of Africa – 90% of the males did this qigong training for the San Bushmen — calling the jing energy (kundalini) — N/OM as boiling heat in the belly — and it takes a month of fasting by the males during puberty when they are in isolation with the males away from the females. A month of tai-chi type trance dancing. The key is to push the sympathetic nervous system to its extreme and then there is a rebound effect to the opposite extreme of the parasympathetic nervous system so induce the N/OM boiling heat energy.

    My blog has more details plus a free download book with 725 scholarly footnotes based on my post-masters degree self-directed research. Check out http://springforestqigong.com – their youtube channel has amazing testimonials corroborated by doctors, etc. of healings of severe diseases. Also the Mayo Clinic, top research hospital, did “randomized controlled” research proving “external qi” healing of chronic pain that had not been treatable by Western medicine for over five years. The doctor leading the study called the results “very impressive.” Again the skeptics try to debunk this saying it’s placebo – well if it works — call it whatever you want! haha. The fact is the training is very specific and based on science that is just now being discovered by Western medicine. Chunyi Lin trained doing a 2 month full lotus padmasana meditation fast – no sleep the whole time — and just a few apples for food and a few bottles of water. This is through http://qigongmaster.com Master Zhang who sometimes comes to the U.S. to do qi teachings also. There is also Master Wang, Liping – who is another real qigong master – you can read his biography: Opening of the Dragon Gate. Levitation is real! It has to be in advanced long meditation though. I did a cross-cultural study of this phenomenon but Western science tests practitioners who are not real experts since the real experts are very rare — still hiding in the mountains, etc. as the practice relies on purification.

  • drew hempel

    So this is the original source of qigong and paranormal powers, etc. The San Bushmen culture — this is called shakti in India or shen in China — it’s the holographic coherent quantum biophoton energy:

    “Toward what I believed to be the end of the evening, Xaxe, a great hunter, healer,

    and shaman, laid hands on me….I felt the energy, his energy, surge through my

    body. He had his hands on me for about twenty-five or thirty seconds, but it felt

    like he had only touched me for a split second. Time stood still. I literally had a

    short out of body experience. I could see him touching me from just above my

    body, almost like I was floating six feet off the ground, watching myself. All of a

    sudden I was back in my body observing an image of him thumbing through
    the book that contained all the pictures and moments in my life. I saw
    images of my

    childhood I hadn’t remembered in years, pictures of my mother and me walking

    on a beach and shelling, very strong images. At the time, both during his touch

    and immediately afterward, I described it as him flipping through the pages of my

    life….Later the next morning, I spoke with Xaxe about the trance dance. He told

    me he wanted access to me in a way that was not possible through a

    translator….Xaxe’s curiosity was such a caring, loving gesture….When he

    detached from me it felt like someone was unplugging a lamp from a wall socket.

    As he let go of me and continued to dance around the fire, I spontaneously burst

    into uncontrollable tears….I had been stripped to my emotional core, completely

    stunned by what I had witnessed so up close and personal.”

    Andrew Zimmern, The Bizarre Truth: how I walked out the door mouth
    first – and came back shaking my head (Random House, 2009), 234-5.

    • Kevin Leonard

      Nobody here really tried to dismiss the concept of qi, which left me, frankly, surprised, and certainly grateful and impressed. The warranted disbelief was that fighting with qi alone could defeat a willful martial artist. That is yet to be demonstrated. Your comments about the Japanese martial artist who could not touch Yan Xin, if true (which I do not discount), is more likely to be explained by perfect footwork rather than any qi power. In regards to the healing aspects, having studied a significant amount of “medical qigong,” I would attest that it is all true.

      But, mate, please do not call qi “the holographic coherent quantum biophoton energy” or anything similar. That is so much made up pseudo-scientific psycho babble. It is the kind of language that will get scientists and skeptics up in arms against a magnificent legacy of healing and personal growth, and does not help our cause, particularly in the case of acupuncturists, like myself, who are continually striving for legitimacy in the field of evidence-based medicine. We must be rational with our mysticism and ensure that, when we use western scientific terminology, it holds up to scrutiny.

      But thank you for other comments.

  • drew hempel

    http://fulllotusqigong.blogspot.com/2012/11/abovetopsecret-takes-another-attempt-at.html Yeah so I blogged recently on real qigong masters. Here’s what my friend Jason Misik emailed me — he said I could post it, etc. So he was healed by qigong master Jim Nance, the first African-American certified qigong master.

    so, i started moving his hand over my foot. it felt like very powerful
    magnets each time the hand passed over. immediately, the pain reduced by
    half and the nature of the pain shifted from sharp to dull. he asked me
    to wiggle my foot. i told him what i felt. he laughs and goes, ‘yeah,
    but i haven’t done it yet. that wasn’t the thing.’ ok. so i close my
    eyes and he does his thing. it felt like a needle stitching the bone,
    passing back and forth, right where the impact was. it didn’t hurt when
    this happened. when he was done, the swelling was gone, which was only
    slight to begin with. the bruisey color was gone. the redness at pt. of
    impact was gone. the pain was down by 90%. it felt great. i moved it
    around.

  • drew hempel

    “Subjects with chronic pain who received External Qigong experienced
    reduction in pain intensity following each Qigong treatment. This is
    especially impressive given the long duration of pain (>5 years), in
    the majority of subjects,” writes the study’s lead author, Ann Vincent,
    MD, MBBS, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/09/prweb4477844.htm

    So qi energy is PROVEN as real through “gold standard” science – randomized controlled research.

    It’s just a matter of intensifying the qi energy for greater powers and this ironically requires going into the Emptiness more — the more power you have the less “you” there is as a left-brain language-based ego.

    http://meditationexpert.com is another great source with tons of articles for alchemy meditation training.

  • drew hempel

    Now you dudes want the qigong master to beat people up in a ring right? haha. Check out Paul Dong’s report on qigong master Yan Xin – China’s “national treasure.” http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/cut/message/1360 Yan Xin was challenged by a Japanese martial artist who could not even touch Yan Xin. Check out Yan Xin’s teacher at Shaolin: http://www.blackdragon.itgo.com/Masters/hai_deng_fa_shi.htm

    Hai Deng Fa Shi (Hoi Theng Fatt Si) was a Northern Shaolin master of the
    most recent times. Because of frequent illness when he was a child, he
    took up Shaolin Kungfu to improve his health. Later he became a monk.
    His specialties include the Shaolin arts of Two-Finger Zen and
    Plum-Flower
    Formation. For his martial art training, the Venerable Hai Deng
    literally stood vertically upside-down on two fingers for hours. His two
    fingers were
    so powerful that he could pierce through buffalo’s hide with just one
    jab. When a Japanese master mentioned that Shaolin Kungfu could no
    longer be
    found in China, the Venerable Hai Deng cme out from his self imposed
    retreat to demonstrate genuine Shaolin arts. He was invited to become
    the kungfu
    grandmaster at the Shaolin Monastery in Henan Province. Perhaps due to
    policy differences, the Venerable Hai Deng later resigned from the
    monastery,
    where today modern wushu rather than traditional Shaolin Kungfu is
    taught, though not inside the monastery itself but in the numerous wushu
    schools
    around the monastery and often conducted by monastery monks. One of Hai
    Deng Fa Shi’s distinguished disciples is the great chi kung master, Yan
    Xin,
    considered by the present Chinese government as a national treasure.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EfunQGum8dU

  • drew hempel

    During the 1980′s
    in China, large groups of over 20,000 people would gather in stadiums
    & practice Qigong under the guidance of a Qigong Practitioner named
    Dr. Yan Xin. Hundreds of these large scale Qigong gatherings took place!
    Scientists were studying the effects of Qi transmission and great
    scientific minds took part. During the large gatherings sometimes people
    in wheel chairs would get up and walk! This phenomena is verified by
    thousands of testimonials. All kinds of miracles happened in that group
    energy. Unfortunately for Dr. Yan Xin and other great Qigong teachers,
    there is a very large Qigong organization under the leadership of a
    politically motivated headmaster who has used Qigong for political goals
    and spreads a message condemning the Chinese government.

    Since
    1999, the Chinese government has banned any large Qigong events. The
    stadium Qigong gatherings of the 1980′s are no longer taking place, but the fact that it has been done before puts it into possibility for the future. This
    period of Chinese history in the 1980′s was called the “Qigong Wave”.
    It earned that name because literally overnight over 100 million people
    in China took a sudden interest in Qigong. Before the Qigong Wave of the
    1980′s, Qigong was not widely practiced or even taken seriously by the
    majority of Chinese citizens. It was only when people began to gather in
    large groups that the Chinese people took notice of the great health
    & spiritual benefits.

    http://main.qigong.com/default.asp?cid=1&n1=7&n2=30

    I recommend reading Dr. David Palmer’s book Qigong Fever — that gives an academic analysis of qigong in China. Amazing read!! http://www.amazon.com/Qigong-Fever-Science-Utopia-China/dp/0231140665

  • drew hempel

    http://books.google.com/books?id=CuPZ_Lw9Om4C&pg=PA156&dq=Yan+xin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Fgp5T575FsPe0gG4qvXIDQ&ved=0CGMQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=Yan%20xin&f=false

    Check out Rustom Roy, chemistry professor who verified qigong energy as real — he heal a conference on “bigu” – the ability to go without food and water. It was verified to be true in peer-reviewed research.