G.O.P. Factions Grapple Over Meaning of Loss

I bet you they never even stumble across the actual explanation, though (i.e., they’re *ssholes whose policies don’t work and their electoral strategy relies on alienating every growing segment of the population).  From Michael Cooper at The New York Times.

It was the morning of the Republican hangover.

After four years in which the jobless rate never dipped below 7.8 percent, with millions of Americans still unemployed or underemployed and median household income falling, Republicans still failed to unseat President Obama and, for the second election in a row, fell short in their efforts to win control of a Senate that seemed within reach. The Wednesday-morning quarterbacking began quickly.

Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, captured the feelings of many Republicans when he said in a statement that “we have a period of reflection and recalibration ahead for the Republican Party.”

“While some will want to blame one wing of the party over the other,” Mr. Cornyn said in a statement, “the reality is candidates from all corners of our G.O.P. lost tonight. Clearly we have work to do in the weeks and months ahead.”

Continued at The New York Times

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  1. alizardx | Nov 8, 2012 at 1:21 am |

    Doesn’t ,matter. The crazies started out to take over the GOP with Goldwater (who left his own movement when he realized how crazy it had become) and remake it in its own image backed by massive funding from right-wing billionaires. They own the GOP from the county central committee level to the national level. For any other faction to take over the party would take a lot of dedicated people, a generation and funding comparable with the funding that created what we know of as the GOP. They’re going to have to take over the party from the ground up, running for office at the county level and build up their party influence through multiple election cycles. Note that local races are being increasingly bankrolled by big outside money, i.e. they need to find sources of their own to win.

    There is no such GOP faction.

    The few moderates left are being pushed out and will probably join the Democratic Party for lack of anywhere else to go.

    The only real factions left in the GOP are the elected public officials who see public office as a source of perks in office and a really great retirement plan funded both by taxpayers and the corporate interests they sold laws to, and the crazies they pander to in order to have a political party that’s on all 50 state ballots to run with. If they stop pandering, they are going to lose to hard-core crazies in GOP primaries.

    The crazies are saying they need to double down on TEH CRAZY to mobilize imaginary masses of “real Americans” to win again. How long before the non-ideological serious money bails out on the basis that if nobody buys this shit, they need to go elsewhere to buy political influence?

    • Anarchy Pony | Nov 8, 2012 at 11:24 am |

      You can bet good money that the tea tards are going to double down on the insanity.

      • MadHierophant | Nov 8, 2012 at 11:35 am |

        I can only hope they do, that way their extinction will be all but guaranteed,

    • Liam_McGonagle | Nov 8, 2012 at 12:23 pm |

      I have an amazing ability to misjudge the depths of political crazy, but I still have a hard time believing you’ll get many Republicans to turn Dem. A primary tennet of the Republican party is the destruction of the Democratic Party. Even if there is no meaningful difference between them, it gives them a platform to preen and strike impressive poses.

      • alizardx | Nov 8, 2012 at 4:47 pm |

        Didn’t say “get many Republicans to turn Dem”, said handful of moderate elected Republicans in Blue/swing states who realize that the GOP brand means only the chance to lose in GOP primaries stacked in favor of TEH CRAZY, and that the big non-ideological money backing the GOP can be expected to stop giving in POTUS.

        The GOP will continue to win in districts deliberately drawn to protect incumbents in places like this: http://t.co/4mJuRxXP … but TEH CRAZY demographic of aging Republican Religious Right racists is aging out of the political process and is not being replaced.

  2. the real failure was letting the media blackout Ron Paul. The last few presidential runs did not set Romney up for success and that was pretty clear. The entire republican primary process was full of corruption at the party level and mainsteam media reporting party bias.

  3. chinagreenelvis | Nov 8, 2012 at 1:32 am |

    The meaning of their loss was that they had to lie about everything in order to even try to make it seem like putting them back in power would be necessary, and enough people saw past the bullshit.

  4. BuzzCoastin | Nov 8, 2012 at 2:57 am |

    the GOP wing of the Bipartisan Corporate Party
    is playing the role as scripted
    you can’t have a smackdown without an opposing foe

    I think running a Mormon against a Black man was brilliant
    I also thought running McCain & The Bimbo was brilliant

    but it strains the limits of my imagination
    to imagine The Racist States of Merka elected a Black man Pez
    and that Merkins bought it hook, line & stinker

    • alizardx | Nov 8, 2012 at 9:26 pm |


      You can try to explain that to the billionaires who gave Karl Rove $390M for a losing political strategy.

      • BuzzCoastin | Nov 8, 2012 at 10:39 pm |

        the campaign spending is economic stimulus to elite media companies
        (all 5 of them)
        and you can’t disseminate the psyop without them
        you can’t have a great show without spending on production values

        not saying that there aren’t people who play the game straight
        and really believe that their spending counts
        which is part of the psyop too

        • Wheels within wheels. What’s conspiracies for some people are other people’s iPhone personal address books.

      • BunkersTrust | Nov 9, 2012 at 1:05 am |

        Rome had it’s panem et circenses and America has it’s political shows. It helps them feel like they actually have a say in what goes on, especially when viewed as a competition, i.e. game shows.

        The Elites buy things like governments so as to insure they have full sway in what goes on. Spending hundreds of millions to protect trillions is prudent spending. Paying off the flunkies is part of the deal.

        • alizardx | Nov 9, 2012 at 4:44 am |

          as in the “wingnut welfare machine”. Heard once some of their ‘authors’ and ‘commentators’ were talking about organizing for more money, not realizing that outside that environment, NO market for their work. Cheerleaders for capitalism who’ve never even run a hot dog stand.

          And that was $6B this campaign cycle to protect billions.

          • BunkersTrust | Nov 9, 2012 at 4:49 am |

            As I recall the bail out was ~17 trillion and the Bankster derivative float is hundreds of trillions and friggin’ Rumsfeld lost 2 trillion in the Pentagon couch; so $6 billion is coffee money to the eliTes.

  5. MadHierophant | Nov 8, 2012 at 8:51 am |

    Hmm…maybe next time don’t have a bunch of old white guys come out and say there are 31 flavors of rape and every instance comes with a mandatory baby surprise at the end.

    Also, please be aware that Youtube is a thing, and everything you say as a candidate is being archived, cataloged and edited into whatever you will say. If they should learn anything from Mitt Romney, it’s that consistency is key. Then when they fail on the basis of their shitty ideas, maybe they can get some new ones that aren’t covered in a few decades’ worth of dust.

    • Liam_McGonagle | Nov 8, 2012 at 12:25 pm |

      It’s sad, but causuistry aside, Americans are extremely tolerant of the bald faced lie.

      • Tolerant, certainly, but it their ability to *live* the lie–and form communities around it–that it most extraordinary.

  6. Mr. Cornyn, a period of self reflection is fine but I have some simple and easily enactable ideologies you can use without even needing to call your party to order…..how about stop the gross misrepresentations and elephantine lies that are beyond the pale even for politicians (because c’mon we Americans love our bullshit with our politicians but the Romney campaign’s lies and manipulations?….holy f#$k was that lying on a new order of magnitude), stop with your siding with the religious right, recognize the need to be bipartisan on the environment and enough with living in 1950’s America that never existed in the first place. All in all….grow the hell up.

  7. BrianApocalypse | Nov 8, 2012 at 3:39 pm |

    I’m pretty sure that if the Republicans were a party in just about any European country they would be considered an extremist, racist, religious hate group.

    Looking at the stats of the election, it seems like there are just enough rational Americans to stem the tide of rabid, insane fundie Christian lunatics who hate everyone that isn’t just like them. I doubt they will be able to work out why they lost, they’ll blame it on the media, gays, black people, communists, anything but the actual truth they are blinded to by their own hatred.

    Let’s hope this is the beginning of their implosion into utter irrelevance.

    • Calypso_1 | Nov 8, 2012 at 4:09 pm |

      You just hate rape babies.

    • Ted Heistman | Nov 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm |

      Give me some examples of racist rhetoric of the Republican party. I mean sure, “everyone knows” they’re all racists, and so since its so obvious I am sure you have many examples readily at hand. So let’s see them.

      • Jin The Ninja | Nov 9, 2012 at 6:11 pm |

        watch 1 minute of fox news, write down all the headlines, 3 out 5 of them will be race related.
        it’s called “media literacy,” ted.

        • I think a lot of people prefer a nightmare scenario to reality. Not only people on the left, but they are as guilty of it as anybody. Ok so pick 5 random headlines from Fox news and point out to me how three of them are from a racist viewpoint.

          Because “race related” doesn’t imply racism, because thats one of the main topics you talk about. You aren’t racist are you, just because you talk about race all the time?

          What if the majority or Republican voters actually aren’t racist? Why are you so invested in that not being the case? Is it a testable proposition? How would it effect you if it turned out that racism wasn’t as bad as you thought? Does the idea that your political opponennts are all hard core racists grant legitimacy to your left wing ideology?

          • Carl_Brutanananadilewski | Nov 10, 2012 at 4:28 am |
          • Jin The Ninja | Nov 10, 2012 at 10:42 am |

            when you respond to the long list of headlines posted by carl, i’ll reply to you.
            and simply because you’ve consistently denied many aspects of racism during your posting history on this site, doesn’t actually make the reality of racism fit your narrow, ill-defined and unexamined paradigm. IF fox news mentions SOMETHING about RACE, then YES, ted, it DOES make it racist. it derives from a white-centric, nationalist, right wing paradigm that is INHERENTLY racist. most of the constructions of a euro-centric society are racist, ted. most of the institutions. MOST of the politicians. what grants legitimacy to my ideological paradigm is a belief in mutual co operation, egality and democracy. are you against democracy ted?

          • You didn’t really answer my question. So continue on with your crusade. You are a self righteous and fighting evil, people you disagree with are not simply of a difference of opinion but actually evil and must be stopped. Carry on!

          • Jin The Ninja | Nov 10, 2012 at 3:14 pm |

            if you READ what i wrote (as opposed to you recycling the charge i made against you of an overly simplistic worldview), i said i would craft a response WHEN you responded to the rather long list of racially charged GOP activities that the OP posted. you’re simply not willing to attempt to engage me in any sort of discussion about race or the socio-political contexts in which race emerges. fair enough!

          • Those are on the platform of the GOP? Sarah Palin saying “shucking and Jiving?” Rush Limbaugh saying some stupid thing?

          • Jin The Ninja | Nov 10, 2012 at 5:07 pm |

            racially charged commentary in a racially charged nation with a history of racial oppression = …

          • My point is you contrinute to keeping things racially charged. Why is that seen by you as a good? When some ignoramus says anything ignorant, you can’t let it go. You hang on Rush Limbaugh’s every word. You know how much time and energy I devote to people like Anne Coulter? Way way less than you I’m afraid. You and your ilk spend lots of energy broadcasting it making a big deal out of it. Feeding the fire.
            So, I’m in a diner. I overhear some old farmer, probably 70 80 years old, face like leather, call Obama the N-word, why should I give a shit? Should I get up and point at him, bang pots together?
            Who gives a shit? I mean what would you like to see happen? It can’t be that you want to see racists became irrelavant because then you wouldn’t be volunteering your time and energy doing free PR for them.

          • Jin The Ninja | Nov 11, 2012 at 10:17 pm |

            this is exactly what is meant by “rhetorically challenged.” unable to grasp the slightest nuance, any modicum of ‘foreign’ perspective, to have any kind of grasp on the human condition. good job, ted. you do all my work for me.

          • Jin The Ninja | Nov 10, 2012 at 5:10 pm |

            you didn’t answer my question, ted. so, are you against democracy? mutual cooperation and egality?

      • Carl_Brutanananadilewski | Nov 10, 2012 at 4:17 am |

        GOP “Slavery wasn’t that bad”


        GOP “If slavery was so bad why doesn’t the Bible condemn it?”

        Sarah Palin talks about Obama “shuckin and jivin”

        Romney campaign manager declares General Colin Powell backs Obama because they are both black

        Rush Limbaugh pays to have “Barack the Magic Negro” song written

        The Nine Most Racist Moments From the 2012 Campaign

        Romney rally with supporter wearing “Put the White Back in the White House” t-shirt isn’t asked to leave

        Lynch Obama images

        Obama effigy “Pray For Assassination”

        TX GOP official declares Asian and Latino voters voted with their ethnicity and not their brains

        Women who calls Obama a n1gg3r and wouldn’t be sad if he was assassinated declares she isn’t racist

        Colin Powell’s Chief of Staff says GOP is full of racists

        And I’m sure the Democrats getting 93% of the Black vote, 75% of the Hispanic vote, and 80% of Asian vote had nothing to do with racism too.

        • For the sake of time could you point out which of those examples constitutes rhetoric?

          • Jin The Ninja | Nov 10, 2012 at 3:15 pm |

            read them all and figure it out, media literacy, ted.

          • Right, because the only reason anyone would find your self righteousness annoying was if they were illiterate. Wow no, wonder your opinions are all so awesome! The only alternative is to be an illiterate racist! It all makes sense now!

            My theory is that left wingers like yourself have a lot of latent aggression, that they aren’t consciously aware of so thy NEED villians. All the better if they can think of 1/2 of the country as evil villians.

            Maybe things aren’t so bad? That was my point basically, but my irritation at Left wing self righteousness got in the way. So anyway feel free to lump me in with all the EVIL people, along with everyone else you disagree with. That’s healthy.

          • Jin The Ninja | Nov 10, 2012 at 5:06 pm |

            i find dems equally as distasteful as any GOP member, so your attempt to create a partisan division is totally laughable.and i never called you illiterate. i think you are rhetorically challenged, but that is quite a different thing. i also think you have a very difficult time understanding critical studies and theory. this is not solely my opinion, but based on aforementioned exchanges and your posting history. the context of race in america is very complicated, it cannot be redacted, it is much more complex than ‘MAYBE THINGS AREN’T SO BAD?’ – maybe issues of race are in fact not an issue for you, as a white dude, but maybe the context is different for someone non white, dude.

          • Carl_Brutanananadilewski | Nov 15, 2012 at 6:22 am |

            I don’t think half the nation is evil. If I’d believed in such nonsense I’d be too paranoid to leave my house because I live in Idaho which has a 2:1 R:D mix. But I do know of a party that just had a nominee who thinks 47% of the nation are lazy moochers, a sentiment that was echoed by many in the party’s hierarchy.

            Is racism better today than it was a generation ago? Obviously, yes. Are things so improved that racism is a minor issue now? Not at all. We have both Romney and Ryan lamenting their losses because President Obama promised stuff to minorities. It isn’t that people heard their plans for America’s future and said that seems like it’s taking the nation backwards instead of forward that motivated people to vote it was free stuff. But if that is true, then why didn’t Romney win? He was promising everybody a 20% tax cut and that’s a whole lot of free money. Maybe, next election cycle, the GOP needs to niche market their giving away of free stuff better.

            If your ‘liberals need enemies’ idea was true there would be a liberal equivalent of Rush Limbaugh and his endless supply of cloned hacks (Savage, Beck, Liddy, Medved, etc.) but there isn’t. It’s the GOP that tunes in day after day to listen to tirades against the enemy, which seems to be everybody who isn’t white, Christian, and paying federal income taxes.

            Finally, don’t ask for a list of examples of racism in the GOP and then complain that it’ll take too much time to read it all. You didn’t have to read it all. The titles I gave them are pretty descriptive and indicative of a mindset that is accepted in the GOP because if it wasn’t they’d be shunned by the GOP. You know why you rarely here of crazy liberal conspiracy theories coming from people in power on the left? Because we shun people who start talking nonsense. The GOP embraces such cranks and all their wild ideas. You don’t see any liberal versions of Alex Jones do you?

          • I think things like getting lynched, being cheated out of a job, refused a place to live or service at a place of business. I consider those things to be racist.

            I think putting name calling and lesser offenses, even, in that category and getting all incensed about it is kind of ridiculous. Life for example, people have certain attitudes you consider incorrect.

            Life has moved on from the days of segregation. What really bugs me is people attacking demons from the past and acting as if its just as brave now as it was then. The dragons dead. its been slain. Its laying the on the ground. Its obviously a lot braver to stand and fight a live dragon than to make a show of stabbing a dead one.

            There are live dragons about walking around. The people out there fighting them today, showing them to people are generally ridiculed by you left wing know it alls. I mean looking at the world as though its the 1960’s is kind of backwards and old fashioned. So yeah, many rebubs look at the World like its 1950 and you are ten years ahead of them and 50 years behind the times.

  8. InfvoCuernos | Nov 8, 2012 at 8:41 pm |

    I think if the republican party was to remake itself in a secular form-loose all the platform stances that stem from religion like abortion and gay rights, and just follow the core economic and social pillars, they might survive. Not saying I would vote republican then but I bet they would win over a lot of people if they gave up on the abortion issue alone.

    • alizardx | Nov 8, 2012 at 9:15 pm |

      IMO, that’s exactly what the future right-centrist party in the US is going to look like.

  9. Ted Heistman | Nov 9, 2012 at 2:57 pm |

    48% of the vote is hardly an epic fail. I think its ridiculous they got that much. But when the alternative is “Republican light” what can you do?

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