Congress Holds An Anti-Vaccination Hearing

The anti-vaccine movement has friends in powerful places in the form of congressional Republicans, Steven Salzberg reveals via Forbes:

I was in my car yesterday listening to C-SPAN, when to my stunned surprise I heard Congressman Dan Burton launch into a diatribe on how mercury in vaccines causes autism. The hearing was held just a few days ago by the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Congressman Burton used this hearing to rehash a series of some of the most thoroughly discredited anti-vaccine positions of the past decade.

To make matters worse, the House committee invited Mark Blaxill to testify. Blaxill is a well-known anti-vaccine activist whose organization, SafeMinds, seems to revolve around the bogus claim that mercury in vaccines causes autism. His organization urges parents not to vaccinate their children, and giving him such a prominent platform only serves to spread misinformation among parents of young children.

The committee called on scientists Alan Guttmacher from the NIH and Colleen Boyle from the CDC to testify, but in fact the committee just wanted to bully the scientists. Congressman Bill Posey from Florida was just as bad as Burton, demanding a study of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children, a standard talking point of the anti-vax movement.

Dr. Boyle simply wasn’t prepared for a Congressman who was parroting anti-vax activists. It’s too late now, but her response should have been this:

Congressman Posey, only an extremely unethical scientist would consider conducting such a study. To compare vaccinated versus unvaccinated children in the manner you suggest, one would have to withhold vaccines from young children. We know from decades of evidence, involving tens of millions of children, that vaccines save lives.

The scientific community has done observational studies of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children, comparing autism rates in children whose parents chose not to vaccinate. Those studies show that autism rates were slightly higher in unvaccinated children. That’s right, vaccinated children had autism at a lower rate.

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53 Responses to Congress Holds An Anti-Vaccination Hearing

  1. Are YOU Serious? December 5, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    It’s a well known fact Vaccines are extremely unhealthy and break the blood-brain-barrier with much more than just mercury, MSG+ lots of other very bad things, don’t know why you would want too encourage a eugenics attempt.

    • Phillipede December 5, 2012 at 4:27 pm #

      >It’s a well known fact Vaccines are extremely unhealthy

      Links please.

      Also, there have been quite a few people who have said that vaccines cause autism and those claims have been shot down. Apparently there are genetic traits that are partially responsible, but as far as an actual cause, no one can say what it is for sure.

      http://www.drozfans.com/dr-ozs-advice/dr-oz-what-causes-autism-do-mmr-vaccines-cause-autism/

      Although I’ve always kinda suspected that fast food and other genetically modified food is probably responsible, but I don’t think there’s any evidence or at least none that has been presented.

      • Kevin Leonard December 5, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

        You’re gonna quote Dr. Oz? Government/ corporate propaganda meister?

        • Phillipede December 5, 2012 at 5:18 pm #

          Here are a few more and yes I linked to Dr. Oz and I’d do it again. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean the science is bad.

          http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X01000974

          http://www.everydayhealth.com/autism/vaccines-autism.aspx

          http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1003673,00.html

          http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/topics.html

          • vaccines are bad, mmkay December 5, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

            In case you didn’t know, Dr. Oz has admitted on tv (oprah or somebody else’s talk show) that he doesn’t have his own children vaccinated…gee i wonder why

          • Phillipede December 5, 2012 at 5:31 pm #

            The article I posted is from 2011 and in it he says he did in fact vaccinate his children, but that he did it on a delayed schedule.

          • Kevin Leonard December 5, 2012 at 5:36 pm #

            It’s not that I don’t like him. I don’t trust him. I used to respect him until it became obvious he is a shill.

            I’m also of the opinion that no government website or government-sponsored study is to be trusted on this issue. They are in the same place that dentists are in who have been using mercury fillings for years. They cannot admit they are wrong. It would open the door for too many class-action lawsuits.

            So you have a whitewash/ shutdown of all the questions raised about vaccination safety – a couple of studies is not definitive proof that they are safe – much less whether they are actually effective. And there is a glossing over as “anecdotal” all the stories of all the families whose perfectly normal children go silent and withdrawn within hours of vaccinations, only to be later diagnosed autistic.

            The propaganda and lambasting of “anti-vax” parents is mind-boggling and frightening.

          • Eric Fischer December 5, 2012 at 5:49 pm #

            “They cannot admit they are wrong. It would open the door for too many class-action lawsuits.”

            I wonder just how much of the fucked up shit that governments do gets perceived as malevolent intent when it is really just this.

          • James December 10, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

            A LOT!

          • Phillipede December 5, 2012 at 6:06 pm #

            I concur, somewhat, that studies can’t always be trusted, facts don’t lie, but people do. However, what about the people who have children that were diagnosed with autism before they were vaccinated or simply not vaccinated at all?

            That seems to indicate that there is another underlying cause that triggers certain genetic traits. Until there can be a definitive cause identified, all we’re really doing is scaring people and quite possibly unnecessarily.

          • Kevin Leonard December 5, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

            Funny. I read that as “all we’re really doing is **scarring** people.”

            The problem is that there is no real evidence vaccines work. In fact, there is a fair amount of suggestion that they are counter-productive in preventing certain illnesses.
            http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.com/ineffectiveness-of-vaccines.html
            http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/30/whooping-cough-vaccine.aspx

            Further, it is known that government agencies are extremely biased in their reports on which datasets they examine when assessing the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
            http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf

            Just look at this list and tell me what quantities of these chemicals we actually, truthfully, know with 100% certainty are safe for babies.
            http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccine-ingredients/

          • Phillipede December 5, 2012 at 7:03 pm #

            Actually I think a lot of those chemicals can be used to make explosives.

            But seriously there’s still the question of why not all of us who were vaccinated had adverse reactions to it and why are some children who were never vaccinated diagnosed with autism?

            Perhaps there are multiple causes and all it really depends on is the child in question. Until we explore every possible avenue, like vaccines, genetically modified food, bad genes or even possibly unintentional inbreeding due to an over muddied gene pool, we’ll never know for sure. Getting hung up on one cause that isn’t consistent with all of the data available seems to me to be a little counterproductive.

          • Camron Wiltshire December 5, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

            So any reason Mercury should be in vaccines in your opinion? Formaldehyde? Adjuvants linked to MS and other auto immune diseases? The entire foundation of belief in vaccines is rightfully in dispute.

            To summarize in broad terms, instead of resulting in prophylaxis,
            meaning prevention, all responses to vaccines actually fall under the
            broad umbrella of anaphylaxis, which means sensitisation, the OPPOSITE
            of immunization. In this extremely informative video, fifteen people,
            including Dr. Viera Scheibner (a PhD researcher), five medical doctors,
            other researchers, reveal what is really going on in relation to illness
            and vaccines. Ironically, the important facts come from the orthodox
            medicine’s own peer-reviewed research.

            With so much government and
            medical promotion of vaccination for prevention of disease, the video
            is clearly devoted to presenting the other side of the issue that
            parents and others are not being told. The result is a damning account
            of the ineffectiveness of vaccines and their often harmful effects. It
            declares that parents are not being told the truth by the media, the
            Health Department and the medical establishment, with a medical doctor,
            Dr. Mark Donohoe, confessing that “It is a problem for me that I am part
            of a profession that is systematically lying to people…”

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cqsT5EoIk8U

          • Kevin Leonard December 5, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

            If you examine my comments, you will notice that I have never said that vaccines cause autism. What I am getting hung up on is that WE DO NOT KNOW that they are safe and WE DO NOT KNOW that they are effective. In the meantime we are loading BABIES with toxic chemicals. BABIES. Just think about that for minute. There is ample anececdotal evidence that BABIES SUFFER all manners of negative neurological and developmental effects after receiving vaccines. And government agencies and indoctrinated MDs and scientists sit on couple of bullsit studies and say “you can’t prove it.” And government agencies are taking away parents’ rights to have any say in how their childrens’ health is addressed. They are not “exploring every possible avenue.” They are lying through their teeth saying that those things (vaccines, GMOs) are safe, ignoring every bit of evidence that says otherwise, and lining their pockets playing russian roulette with the well being of children.

          • Phillip Lozano December 5, 2012 at 9:03 pm #

            If vaccines don’t work, what happened to polio and small pox?

          • Kevin Leonard December 5, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

            http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/history.php

          • zbigniew December 6, 2012 at 1:58 am #

            Reclassification for one thing, smallpox to white pox for e.g. And check into the govt manipulation of statistics by payments to doctors before and after the “epidemics” to get the real insight into epidemiological occurrence of polio. Polio is directly related to poor nutrition and exposure to environmental organochloride toxins. Vitamin C public health educational pushes were a significant reason for reduction in reduced incidence of the manifest disorder known as polio, without any help from the inefficacious vaccines which to this day are still the number one cause of satellite polio and the observed ‘epidemics’. History has just been written by those with the most power and money here, the ones who cash in on illness and its promulgation.

          • Phillip Lozano May 12, 2013 at 9:34 pm #

            You are so incredibly full of shit.

          • Phillipede December 5, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

            >I heard Congressman Dan Burton launch into a diatribe on how mercury in vaccines causes autism

            I never said vaccines are safe. I was commenting on the notion that the mercury they contain is the cause of autism.

            To
            answer your question, I don’t think it really matters considering the
            amount of people who are vaccinated who never have any adverse side
            effects far outweighs the people that do. To be honest it should be up
            to the parents whether or not they have their children vaccinated, but
            calling people out one way or the other without absolute proof is a
            little absurd.

            Like so many other issues, this has gotten way out
            of hand. The people standing on either side of this are going to great
            lengths to discredit each other without providing substantive evidence
            in support of their arguments.

            What makes you think you can trust one dataset over another? Or one group of researchers over another?

            “Facts”
            have come out from multiple sources that contradict each other. Again I
            say that there is the possibility that other factors could very likely
            play a role in adverse side effects. Hasn’t red dye number 5 been deemed
            a cancer cause? Why hasn’t it been pulled off the market?

            We
            consume and come into contact with so many things on a regular basis
            that are bad for us it’s hard to tell for sure exactly what caused what
            ailment. Aren’t Rolaids® deadly too? 2 years ago they were deemed safe.
            Now they’re not. DDT and asbestos were considered safe in the ’50′s. Now
            they’re not. The list goes on and on.

            Again I say, getting hung
            up on one cause that isn’t consistent with all of the data available
            seems to me to be a little counterproductive.

          • Kevin Leonard December 5, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

            You are making my case for me. DDT: ignorance. Asbestos: cover up.
            Vaccines: both.

          • Phillipede December 5, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

            Didn’t you post a link earlier that stated that it was likely that
            the number of kids being diagnosed with autism may not really be
            significantly on the rise due to so many misdiagnoses of mental
            retardation in the past? Number 10 on the smartvax.com thing if I’m not
            mistaken.

            Also the rise in autistic children coincides with the rise of the
            fast food industry. I hate making circular arguments, but basically
            denying that there could easily be a whole truck load of other possible
            causes for various disorders, that are being linked to vaccines, is
            rather shortsighted.

            I don’t think I’m making your case for you, simply because there are still any number of consumable/environmental possibilities for what’s really going on. There simply is not enough verifiable information to make a clear prognosis one way or the other.

          • Kevin Leonard December 6, 2012 at 12:10 am #

            Mate, you’re not reading. Smartvax is stating that is a misconception.

            I honestly don’t think vaccines are the only cause for autism and have never said so. But I think they are a leading cause. Too many parents report their child’s autism disorder began shortly after vaccinations. That. Should be enough to put the brakes on the vaccination program.

            Almost everything about our modern life is becoming sythetic and fake. Your buddy Dr. Oz just put his name on a Time magazine article stating that we are snobs for wanting organic, non-GMO food. What. The. Fuck. Excuse me for not wanting to ingest chemicals that are designed to kill.

            The whole system is flawed. Corporate greed. Bottom-line profits over health. Big Pharma, Big Agra, and Big Chem leading the charge to impoverished health and well-being for the masses, lining the pockets of Big Insurance and Uncle Sam rubberstamping everything and the masses nodding their heads calling people who want natural living “snobs,” lunatics and conspiracy theorists . In twenty years you will be enjoying your synthetic soy protein paste infused with Statins, SSRIs and Ritalin and you’ll have a vague memory of fresh vegetables to tell your grandkids stories.

            If you really want to learn something instead of being an apologist for … whoever you are defending… read “The 100 Year Lie.” It puts a nice perspective on the propaganda of Better Living through Chemistry.

          • Phillipede December 6, 2012 at 1:28 am #

            Smartvax may be stating that it’s a misconception, but in reality it may or may not be one. I mean seriously, how many medical doctors have you ever spoken to about this. Just so you know I was discussing this with my mom who is a doctor and she’s in the same boat I am, simply because of the mountain of opposing info on either side. She does seem to think that people who are opposed to the polio vaccine are opposed simply because they’ve never seen what polio actually does to people. I do however agree that in some cases certain vaccines may be a trigger for some people, but that doesn’t explain the rest of them, and I also think that’s not a good enough reason to halt the entire vaccine program.

            You call Dr. Oz my buddy, but I really don’t know much about him. I certainly don’t agree with everything he says, but that doesn’t mean he’s full of shit about everything. I was, at that time, just looking for a link to something that provided counter info on what was being discussed. I did provide several other links shortly after that that all basically say the same thing. Besides, calling one doctor a shill, but listening to other doctors who may very well be guilty of the same type of shillery(?) isn’t any better.

            Also, I’m not defending anyone. Just the opposite. All I’m stating is that the “facts” aren’t as clear cut as they appear to be on either side and that getting to the truth in matters such as these are next to impossible to come by. Especially when multiple variables that could very well come into play are being utterly ignored due to preconceived notions that people tend to get stuck on, for whatever reason.

            You’re absolutely correct when you say the entire system is flawed, but without infallible evidence we may never know the full extent of it. Those flaws seem to appear on both sides though. So basically all I’m really doing is providing a counter argument that should’ve been seen as more of a Doubting Thomas type of thing. With issues such as these I don’t really see how anyone could take a firm stance either way.

          • Kevin Leonard December 6, 2012 at 2:29 am #

            http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html

            For polio in the US, I encourage you to look at the links between DDT usage and polio incidence, as well as the re-classification of aseptic meningitis and coxsackie virus as separate diseases coinciding with use of the Salk vaccine.

          • zbigniew December 6, 2012 at 2:05 am #

            It is multifactorial. vaccines is one. electromagnetic radiation is another. Who knows if all the toxins, irradiation and more recently GM in the food, as well as toxins in water and air, aren’t contributing to all of this neurological sickness being expressed most clearly in our most vulnerable and important members of society. there are many studies pointing towards all of these factors as potentially causative.

            The misdiagnoses / increased diagnoses argument, along with the genetic variations one, really pisses me off. Autism is a very salient disorder, there is no mistaking that. and there’s no way population genetic disorders moves as fast as this autism epidemic has.

          • Kevin Leonard December 5, 2012 at 10:20 pm #

            I am not arguing against genetic/ constitutional predisposition, but the autism epidemic has increased in step with the number of vaccines required for children as grown. http://vaccines-rvb.blogspot.com/2008/09/correlation-that-does-indicate_14.html

            “But seriously there’s still the question of why not all of us who were vaccinated had adverse reactions to it and why are some children who were never vaccinated diagnosed with autism?”

            Not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer, and some people that never smoke get lung cancer.

      • anon December 5, 2012 at 10:23 pm #

        see the documentary called The Greater Good.. here is a link to some clips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC1o5kc5iVU has interesting stuff for those that want to be informed

        • Phillipede December 5, 2012 at 11:42 pm #

          At 1:30 when Bill Mahr is talking about type 2 diabetes, asthma, acid reflux, arthritis, allergies, acne, and ADD(which describes just about every 4 year-old in the world), those are all disorders that have been linked to obesity, not vaccinations.

          As far as testing is concerned for aluminum, mercury, and formaldehyde with infants, I’m pretty sure that kind of testing is illegal in most 1st world countries.

          And just for the record I do agree that mandatory vaccinations should not take place. I also agree that Big Pharma should not be trusted, but that video still fails to provide anything other than hypothesis.

          I don’t like being seen as obtuse, but I’m one of those people who doesn’t buy into things without hard evidence that can be verified. That video provides none.

    • Anarchy Pony December 5, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

      Do you even know what eugenics actually was?

      • Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness December 5, 2012 at 11:28 pm #

        *is : The American Eugenics Movement has a robust history, and current membership among the Owners. They got a lot of bad press a few decades back with the whole Holocaust thing, but rest assured, they are still working hard to achieve their goals.

    • Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness December 5, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

      Managers don’t cull desired traits. People doing what they’re told are the kind stock they want more of. Vaccines protect the Owners property (that’s us). That’s not to say they aren’t planning to thin the herd. I just don’t think this is the mode of action.

    • bobbiethejean December 6, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

      No, this is not a well known fact.

  2. SoruhFrake December 5, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

    30 Year Cover-Up of Vaccine Dangers Exposed in UK Government Transcripts(link at bottom of reply)
    I believe this should be seen by anyone doubting that vaccines are bad…recently released in UK…

    http://thearrowsoftruth.com/30-year-cover-up-on-vaccine-dangers-exposed-in-uk-government-transcripts/

  3. Abouthadit December 5, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    Another uninformed writer posting opinion and not fact. It is appropriate that he is writing via Disinformation. Shameful. Both CDC and NIH heads were handed their asses. Their responses ranged from I don’t know to I’ll get that to you later.

  4. Kevin Leonard December 5, 2012 at 4:50 pm #

    Methinks the author doth protest too much.

    Vaccine Misconceptions
    http://www.smartvax.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=110
    Numbers 4, 10, and 11 are relevant to the current article.

  5. BuzzCoastin December 5, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    What’s all the hubbub about?
    I completely trust Big Pharma & Big Homelander
    when it comes to safety & efficacy.

  6. Ray Butlers December 5, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

    Damn! You people are a bunch of fucking idiots. Don’t get vaccinated. See you at your funeral!

    • NamelessN00b December 6, 2012 at 7:50 pm #

      Let’s see….

      By getting my flu shot, I am sentencing myself to suicide.
      On the other hand, I get the flu, and I’m given time to hopefully recover, and if i die, at least it won’t be intended like getting the shot.

  7. Donovan Moore December 5, 2012 at 11:05 pm #

    Everybody plays with their own studies and facts. But the people now get it. That the vaccine biz is a BUSINESS. It has little to do with caring about your or mine health. It’s about selling shit that the big pharma industry makes. You can take your bullshit article and your big pharma and shove it where the sun don’t shine. My dad was a DOCTOR. He told me son, try your best to stay out of the hospital and away from the medicine industry and you’ll stay healthy. My dad was a Dr. the end.

    • NamelessN00b December 6, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

      When the people present their case, they’re branded “opinions” by the pigeons and the media.
      When the pigeons and the media present their case, they’re branded “facts” by the pigeons and the media.

  8. Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness December 6, 2012 at 12:39 am #

    I see some striking parallels to comments on this topic to climate change denial: emotional appeals, science denial, and flocking to “skeptics”. It is irrational to hold really strong opinions on something we have absolutely no way of validating other than the afore mentioned emotional appeals, unless of course, we trust medical professionals and scientific research. Then the answers are plainly obvious.

    I’m not saying vaccines are 100% safe.Asprin kills thousands of people every year But if you zoom out, risk takes the form of statistics. Diseases we vaccinate against are vastly more dangerous in terms of statistical risk.

  9. zbigniew December 6, 2012 at 1:50 am #

    How dare the house committee allow free speech! What, with all of that nonsense going on, the plebs might find out that the vaccines have been causing alarming levels of adverse reactions for years, and with that, undo all of our obfuscational efforts! Pesky senators citing the wrong research, phooey! Haven’t you people heard the warnings of Zbigniew Brzezinski? Plebs might cotton on! Plebs are cottoning on! Panic!!! Whoa, now, calm… calm… just listen people, the words of the mighty Sloan are golden and sanctious–vaccines are safe, vaccines are safe, mercury is good for you, go back to sleep, there there, we will look after you…

    Oh and wow, do I agree, conducting a study to expose the danger of vaccines via a real control group, rather than an also poisoned control group, would be–wait for it–oooh so unethical. Much better to shove never approved gradfather clause toxic adjuvants into vulnerable infant bloodstreams without any counterevidence pointing out that it could be a bad thing now, that would be bad for the depopulation and pharma profit agendas now, wouldn’t it???

    Why Jacob Sloan, you’re just a bastion of light and love, aren’t you? Take all your shots, won’t you my dear. Wouldn’t want you or your children harmed by those evil infectious diseases now, he he he, mwah hah hah.

  10. bobbiethejean December 6, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    Are vaccines 100% perfect or safe? No. Is the risk worth the benefit of say…. oh, not dying from some horrid global epidemic? I’d say so. I don’t know about anyone else but I kinda like not ever having suffered or died from measles, mumps, or rubella.

    • Ted Heistman December 6, 2012 at 2:47 pm #

      That stuff builds character

      • David Howe December 9, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

        Diseases don’t build character

        • Kevin Leonard December 9, 2012 at 4:09 pm #

          Didn’t you just ask someone else to converse like an adult?

        • Ted Heistman December 9, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

          I think you need to get laid more or something. Maybe smoke a joint, watch an Adam Sandler movie. Something.

        • Kevin Leonard December 9, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

          Editing comments again. This one originally said “Shut the fuck up.”
          Seriously, Howe. Get a grip. Heistman has some sound advice for you.

          • David Howe December 22, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

            cyber-stalk much?

          • Kevin Leonard December 22, 2012 at 2:04 pm #

            Unsurprising, really, that you would display such narcissistic tendendency that you would think, and even post that you thought, that I cared so much about you I was stalking you.

            I might have thought you would try to use that vastly superior intelligence you supposedly posess and deduce that I was a participant in this thread, and therefore, subscribed to this thread.

  11. Donovan Moore December 7, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

    My dad was a Dr. and NEVER had me get a flu shot. He said they were a waste of time and in some cases dangerous. That’s what I know.

  12. Kevin Leonard December 24, 2012 at 5:32 pm #

    Peer reviewed: Positive correlation between vaccines and hospitalizations and deaths.

    http://het.sagepub.com/content/31/10/1012.full

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