• Tchoutoye

    New Age movement started by the CIA.” It’s Jan Irvin!

    • HAL 9000

      Yes! Great to see Jan’s influence in this. But do you think it’s too harsh on “New Agers”???

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        I thought that that was just a section at Barnes and Noble, where you find books on BigFoot and Tarot cards?

        • HAL 9000

          HAHA. Yeah, I remember when the New Age section in Barnes and Noble used to be barely one shelf. Now it’s like an entire freaking section of the store! What does that say about the whole “new age” movement??

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            That’s the section where I first saw the Disinfo books! So I guess we are all New Age here!

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Touche Mr. Heistman ;)

            Trippy shit is real, we just need logic to make sense of it is what I’m gathering. You know spot the bullshitters and call them out before they spawn this

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            And know how to criticize it. Only then can we begin to make some progress.
            What in McKenna’s writings, lectures do you think were engineered by the CIA, all of it? If so explain how Mckenna’s theories and ideas are used to control and manipulate the masses. You have start building definitive connections between things otherwise it all starts sounding a bit crazy, as if you were engineering your own memes. Funny video, you remind me of conspiracy guy.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            That media could make people buy rocks if they were called pets.

        • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

          Hahaha. Yes the “organic” section of the bookstore.

          • Kevin Kostelnik

            Is that the section of the store where you can find books on how to make a vision board, and how to “attract” money and cars and shiny things into your life without really doing anything? If so, point me in that direction!

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            You have attained the Secret my friend. There is nothing more for you to do but imagine your life into being now. Oh and avoid any impure thoughts about the Federal Reserve and how they have fucked the planet with mathemagic.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            or 9/11 of course, that’s a Big downer. Your energy field will be diminished and the happy things will be stuck in the universal vestibule behind the wall of your negative focus. I can release the wall if you call my 1-900 number. The first minute is $99.99. For spiritual reasons I chose this number.

          • Kevin Kostelnik
          • Kevin Kostelnik

            Oh I won’t be thinking of the Federal Reserve any time soon. I don’t want to know what they do or how they do it. It’s too negative for me. I don’t like negative things. I only like happy thoughts, like Peter Pan or Barney. All the negative Nancys in the world can keep on living in their little fear bubbles by themselves. As for me, I’m going to just live in love and light and meditate that the world will be peaceful. And I’ll eat cheeseburgers too, of course. And drink soda. And make sure to take my Prozac and Zoloft to keep me calm while I watch Dancing with the Stars. God Bless America.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Yes, preach Brother Kevin! May we lie like lambs with the lion of the state in our medicated metaphysical jungle gyms, Amen. Oohhhhmmmm shakah lahka ka ka ka

        • Matt Staggs

          Dude. Look for the Bigfoot Tarot. The Hanged ManSquatch card will change your life.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            I pulled that card the night I did 5 hits of acid in the North Carolina hills and yes the Bigfoot Tarot is life altering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2WqYidC_0Y

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire
          • BuzzCoastin

            don’t you mean The Fool card?

          • Matt Staggs

            Well played, my good Buzz.

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            I actually know a guy how made his own tarot deck based on pop culture and had a sasqutch card! I think he had Arnold as the Terminator driving a Hummer for the Chariot.

      • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

        I think it’s a good prompt and a good mirror. Much of what is espoused by “new agers” is nothing more than a prefabricated construction from military industrial think tanks, drafting the new opiate or religion of the age, stamping it out of plastic and pushing it on the masses as the latest trend to be consumed by the ever drugged, diminished and dumbed down sheeple who then stampede through the expected channels on the way to slaughter. It’s not just the “new agers” though but every consumer credo, cult, fetish and escapist tendency that is downloaded via media to placate and distract the herd long enough to foreclose on their evolutionary potential.

    • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

      Haha, well there is quite a bit of evidence supporting this assertion sadly. One of the connections is Jim Morrison’s father Admiral Morrison being in charge of the Gulf of Tonkin fleet. You know the one that reported a torpedo strike that never happened and then led us conveniently into Vietnam where over 60k soldiers were lost and untold psychological, physical and spiritual casualties, plagueing successive generations at home, to say nothing of the utter rape and pillaging of the Vietnamese people who still are blighted by the degradations of war. It’s crazy to think that guy fathered Jim Morrison who became this cultural icon selling disillusionment and hedonism. Cigarettes and Edward Bernays, the power to mould/mold minds for profit.

      • Kevin Kostelnik

        Wow, I didn’t know that about Morrison. Very interesting. How about The Beatles and their connection to the Tavestock Institute? It’s certainly an uncomfortable fact when you’ve loved their music for so long. But, I mean, is Love all we really need?

        • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

          The Beatles/Tavestock connection while alluring given their propensity and power to shape culture is apparently unfounded. James Corbett does a good job breaking this down in this podcast http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-248-the-art-of-debunking/ The Aquarian Conspiracy does not have any substantiating documentation according to this report. Still the utilization of musicians and other celebrities to establish new CULTure is well documented and very real. Good to see you posting here Kevin! Get you a fancy avatar on disqus (if you like) and welcome to the disinfoverse. Lots of smart chaps here, a few total wankers and trolls but overall good creative free thinking people abound.

          • Kevin Kostelnik

            Hm, that’s interesting. Good to know man. Appreciate you sharing the info with me. I’ll listen to the corbett podcast and dive into it a bit further as I haven’t really gone beyond the surface. I retract my “fact” statement from before. Should have done my grammar first ;-)

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            No sweat man, I thought it was a legit connection as well, sadly Jan doesn’t always adjust himself to the facts in an expedient manner. He is still talking about the Xmen as though Jack Kirby and Stan Lee are in on the whole thing, while it’s possible, there is nothing but conjecture on his part that I have seen to assert as much. James Corbett is better about admitting when the facts don’t support the idea when it comes to conspiracy culture and has put out a few good videos covering those memes which persist but our unfounded. Not to disparage Jan just pointing out how all of us are susceptible and that we have to evolve to accept constructive criticism as we dish it out.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            PS> Awesome job on the sketch by the way! Love the spiritual by pass flute music (La da dee, I’m totally tuning out negativity, this is my ignorance mantra) Looking forward to part 3! How about have the Conspiracy Guy hang out with Jan or Alex Jones? Rudkowski or Abby Martin.

          • Kevin Kostelnik

            Thanks man. Appreciate the support (as always). We already have the idea for part 3 laid out. We might film it this weekend actually, we’ll see. We actually were almost all set to partner up with Luke and do a video but our NY trip was canceled at the last minute unfortunately. He’s on board though. My guess is you’ll see him in a JoyCamp video sometime soon. Alex might be a bit trickier. But Jan and Abby would be fan-fucking-tastic. We’re setting our sights high. Lots planned for the new year. 2013 is just around the corner after all. Anything is possible–assuming, of course, we make it through next friday (fingers crossed) ;-)

          • Kevin Kostelnik

            I like Corbett. We’ve corresponded once or twice. Nice guy, and thorough as hell. I know what you mean on the Xmen thing. I’ve only heard presumptions that link the comic X Men with the “academic” X Club, but have never seen anything concrete to support it. And yes, couldn’t agree more on the importance on accepting constructive criticism. It’s a good thing to practice. Used appropriately, it can be very powerful asset, especially in this ego maniacal society of ours.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            James is a Saint.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            “when I hear the word culture i grab for my gun” – Adolf Hitler

          • Calypso_1

            Have you read The Shadow Over Santa Susana?

        • BuzzCoastin

          when Lennon finally figured out he was being used by the elites
          he began to rebel
          which could be one of the factors in his death

          • Kevin Kostelnik

            That’s always been my feeling, that Lennon was killed for rebelling against the system. But what about McCartney? Isn’t it strange that one Beatle is killed and another knighted? Any thoughts or info to share on that?

          • BuzzCoastin

            I buried Paul
            Paul is dead
            there’s something in that
            but the main psyop was simply Beatlemania
            a distraction for the easily distracted

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Same argument can be used for Mckenna if thats what you need.

        • Monkey See Monkey Do

          Pretty much, you just might need a better definition of it.

      • Monkey See Monkey Do

        Lucky none of my direct family are evil fucks otherwise you’d be burning me at the stake

  • BrianApocalypse

    If he was a true conspiracy guy he’d probably say that stuff about the New Age movement and the CIA, but simultaneously hold quite a few New Agey beliefs.

    • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

      Define “New Agey” beliefs please :)

      • BrianApocalypse

        See: David Icke.

        • HAL 9000

          Kind of a broad answer to the question, wouldn’t ya say? Why does a “conspiracy theorist” automatically have to have “new agey” beliefs???

          • BrianApocalypse

            Icke is just a shining example of what I mean.

          • HAL 9000

            Yeah I know what you’re saying. He can sometimes paint with broad strokes and be a little too “new agey” for my liking. But on the other hand, a lot of what he talks about holds truth to it, and he gets this info out to a lot of people, so that must count for something. Daniel Pinchbeck on the other hand… now there’s a “new age” Cointelpro if I ever saw one.

          • HAL 9000

            Terence Mckenna and Jose Arguelles too. Or at least they were willful idiots… leading their sheep to loads of new age and dec 21 propaganda. IMO.

          • BrianApocalypse

            Personally I don’t buy into the whole New Age cointelpro theory. I think those people were either just charlatans out for personal gain or they genuinely believed what they said and had the force of personality and intelligence to popularize it (I’d say the latter definitely the case with McKenna, he was very charismatic).
            At the end of the day, if dec 21st is meaningless then nothing will become of it. I don’t see that there are any significant changes in the works because of 2012 memes, except perhaps the possibility of a few cult suicides or something. If the New Age cointelpro theory is true, it seems like an extraordinary length to go to for so little result.

          • HAL 9000

            But on the other hand, the New Age movement certainly promotes a lot of talk and meditation on peace and love yet sadly, not a lot of action. Something about the new age ideology of “focus on the positive while disregarding the negative” sure seems like an useful tactic to cull a population of people who would otherwise be very active in creating real change, as their hearts are generally in the right place. Like the comments below about the Barnes and Noble section of the book store… just look at how many people are cashing in on these new age ideas. Remember the book/movie The Secret? It message: Think and attract what you want in life… Disregard all else. Well thanks for spreading the word, Oprah! Who knew it was that easy!? The sad fact is, The New Age ideas promote 90% truth and the other 10% of lies is layered in to distract people from creating real change. So if the CIA, Michael Coe’s book The Maya, Mckenna, Arguelles, Pinchbeck, Law of Attraction, The Secret, etc. etc. have all been part of a specifically perpetrated plan to manipulate and brainwash a population of people into become simply “positive thinkers” then I’d argue this extraordinary effort has influenced groves of people exactly how the control system intended it to.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AM38NOf7ZhI

            I agree HAL.

            Marianne Williamson does a good job here of reminding the “new” new agers that there is a difference between “transcendence and denial”

          • BrianApocalypse

            I agree that those new age ideas are pretty useless and disempowering (I know several people who have wasted years on such nonsense), but the percentage of the population who actually pick this stuff up and go with it is pretty small, especially compared to the figures for organized religion. But I think you’re saying that this small percentage are special in some way, or would be if they hadn’t been messed with. I partly agree, but where I diverge is the part about it being a planned scenario by some conspiracy.

            I think most new age ideas have come about as the result of widespread disillusionment with mainstream religion and society combined with an unfulfilled spiritual yearning. The New Age came to fill that vacuum, and some people made a lot of money in the process. I really don’t think there needs to be any hidden hand forcing this issue, humans are quite capable of producing all these results by themselves.

            Conspiricism also has a much in common with this scenario. There is a lot of crossover between the New Age and conspiracy theory. I’ve met many new agers and almost all of them held some “conspiracy” beliefs as well, just as many conspiricists also hold new age beliefs, like I said. I find both belief systems to be disempowering, with only small nuggets of truth contained within that require heavy sifting to find. Where New Ageism can lead you into useless “spiritual” activities that consume all your attention for years, Conspiricism can have you chasing equally useless phantoms in the pursuit of truth or some idealized revolution. During the last decade or so when conspircism has experienced its peak, with more people becoming aware of the central concepts than ever, what really has changed as a result? Alex Jones still shouts the same things he’s been shouting for years, more and more people listen to him… and nothing happens.

            I suggest there are 2 main reasons for this (and they apply to both the New Age and conspiricism). 1) The audiences involved believe they are doing something to affect the world, simply by being part of the movement / spreading the info / meditating and sending out “light” etc… 2) The information involved is mostly nonsense, and is thus inert as any kind of effective means of change.

            Unfortunately, it seems that changing the world is much much harder than either belief system would have its “host” believe.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            We need to do an assessment of where you are coming from Brian.
            It seems you are turning history and it’s conspiratorial nature into a mental abstraction akin to discussing the positions of various religions. Do you think that “conspiracies” happen, if so do you agree that the Federal Reserve system was the result of a conspiracy? Do you think this one example has had a malevolent effect on human experience for the last 100 years? Do you think people like Jone’s, Ron Paul, etc shouting out and spreading this knowledge has not resulted in a massive amount of awareness and yes brewing systemic action towards change? It’s not an on/off switch but a evolution towards a tipping point. As more people become aware, greater change will be required. The stirrings are already there if you aren’t ignoring them that is.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            I would take a look at the connections Jan Irvin is outlining between the Huxley family, Darwin, Esalen, McKenna, Agenda 21 and feminism. Pretty compelling. If we can imagine that the power to mould and shape consciousness is the primary mechanism of control and that these levers are well honed given the inexhaustible budgets and thirst for power which anoint them than any CULTural phenomenon is suspect. Qui Bono?

          • BrianApocalypse

            I’m sure we’ve argued over this subject before. I’m not convinced of Irvin’s arguments, and I don’t think there’s any evidence for a hidden hand with an inexhaustible budget. All of these phenomena can exist without the need for such things. The New Age and related phenomenon just aren’t a powerful enough force for anything in particular other than sustaining a subcultural economy. You won’t agree, not much point in debating it further really, neither one of us will be convinced!

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Federal Reserve system = infinite budget. DAARPA, CIA, Covert drug smuggling, organ and sex trade = unaccountable dare we say infinite (relative to requirements) availability to pursue psychopathic measures such as MK Ultra. It’s not black and white, it’s predictive programming demographically, controlling opposition at the level of culture. It’s so ungroovy to actually be anti-war, why not just look the part and stay out of harm’s way. These things add up and are part of mind war.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            After all where did the 2012 meme that has swept the globe originate from?

          • BrianApocalypse

            It came from conspiracy/new age subculture, inspired by McKenna et al. Most memes that gain significant popular attention start as elements of subculture, then grow to be “cool”. The world has always been fascinated by apocalypses. There have been countless end-of-the-worlds throughout history that have come and gone, only to be replaced by another. 2012 isn’t the first and it won’t be the last. These memes don’t need help by outside agencies to propagate, human personalities are fertile enough ground for them to spread!

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            And McKenna hangs at Esalen with the Huxleys and grabs inspiration from Pierre Teilhard de Chardin’s Omega point who was an adherent of eugenicist ideology. Much more than guilt by association. Check this out. http://www.gnosticmedia.com/how-darwin-huxley-and-the-esalen-institute-launched-the-2012-and-psychedelic-revolutions-and-began-one-of-the-largest-mind-control-operations-in-history/

            “The role of drugs in the exercise of political control is also coming under increasing discussion. Control can be through prohibition or supply.
            The total or even partial prohibition of drugs gives the government
            considerable leverage for other types of control. An example would be
            the selective application of drug laws… against selected components of the population such as members of certain minority groups or political organizations[5]”

            ~ Ronald K. Siegel; Louis Jolyon West (1975). Hallucinations: Behavior, Experience, and Theory. ISBN 978-1-135-16726-4.

            Right now we can’t prove that McKenna was an agent, but he was most
            certainly, at least, a willful idiot. But here is what he had to say in
            his own words from the following Youtube video with Terence “Speaking
            the Unspeakable” (begins at 1 hour 11 minutes – the Q&A):

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IO7pHD3X9M

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            I wouldn’t discount the effect of media to prepave all of the deprivations you chalked up to human nature alone.

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            Feminism was predicted in the Rig Veda.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            One child policies? Rockefeller family courts? Soy in everything and other endocrine disrupting compounds? Which verse? ;)

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            I mispoke. Its in the Vishnu Purana. Its a symptom of living in the age of Kali Yuga.

            “The women will be fickle, short of stature, gluttonous: they will have many children, and little means: scratching their heads with both hands, they will pay no attention to the commands of their husbands or parents: they will be selfish, abject, and slatternly: they will be scolds and liars: they will be indecent and immoral in their conduct, and will ever attach themselves to dissolute men.”

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Was that version translated by Terrence McKenna? j/k

            I do agree we are in the Kali Yuga philosophically speaking.

            You might dig this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Kou9TGdi8

            and chase it down with this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=48ZkgXloV4I

          • Kevin Kostelnik

            I’ll have what you’re drinking. Thanks :-)

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            I mean that quote seem pretty old school, but it reminds me of the femininity of the Kardashians and Jersey Shore. Definately a sign of the times.

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            Slatternites ;)

          • BrianApocalypse

            Icke speaks out against the New Age movement/ideas but at the same time promotes concepts straight out of it, especially in his early stuff (which, despite his later personality shift to a more focus on conspiracies, he has never disowned).He’s a man who can’t admit error.

            There was an amusing incident with him a few years ago when a story was going around about some scientists who had been studying the color of the universe, and discovered it to be mostly turquoise. Knowing of Icke’s previous obsession with turquoise, someone asked him about it and he once again rambled on about it being the essence of existence and love or something… then a couple of months later the scientists said they were wrong and the universe is actually beige! haha!

        • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

          That is a broad spectrum you’ve presented but I agree.

  • Cedric

    Wait… is this true?? The New Age Movement was started by the CIA??!! My brain just exploded.

  • “Big” Richard Johnson

    I want to smoke pot with these guys.

  • geminihigh

    Dave McGowan did a pretty damn good job documenting how the CIA created the hippy phenomenon in his series on the bizarre happenings at Laurel Canyon in the 60s and 70s. “Flower Power” and all that was intended to discredit then ultimately co-opt the anti-war movement, which it did very effectively. We tend to think of hippies as the face of the anti-war crowd (then and now), but before they came on to the scene “normal” looking, clean cut, average folks had had enough of the warfare state, and were the face of the movement. Then came the freaks, which the media still adores, and middle America still abhors. If you speak out against war today, many people will think you don’t bathe and throw bricks through the windows of Starbucks, even if you or I happen to look like Eddy Haskel from Leave It To Beaver, which I do . Thats part of the legacy of the 60s. McGowan’s stuff is usually pretty interesting and worth a read. Pretty funny at times too.