Hey NRA, How Dare You?

Wayne LaPierre._Photo: Gage Skidmore (CC)

Gretchen Whitmer, State Senator for Michigan, says what the vast majority of Americans believe, writing at Huffington Post. NRA members, listen up and take back your organization from the lunatics running your asylum.

Barely more than an hour after our nation took a moment of silence on Friday to reflect on the tragic events that took place in Newtown, Connecticut, the National Rifle Association ended their organization’s own silence by telling us that the mindless violence we saw is simply now a part of life. They said that it was Hollywood’s fault that incidents like these happen and that the only way we can hope to keep our children safe as a result is to keep them surrounded by more and more guns.

As a mom who holds the safety and happiness of my two girls above all else, I have only one response to NRA President Wayne LaPierre: How dare you?

How dare you tell me, and millions of other moms, that the only way we can keep our kids safe is to surround them with more instruments of violence?

How dare you tell our nation that Congress is to blame for this problem when your organization’s lobbying efforts have been responsible for blocking all meaningful gun control measures in recent years?

And how dare you tell our kids that the only way we know how to keep them safe is to hope someone shoots first before someone else shoots them?

We, as a people, are better than that.

We are a nation that has persevered through tragedies and triumphs alike by being brave, not by being afraid as Mr. LaPierre wants us to be. His solution to violence is to ensure more violence, his own perceived right kind of violence, but all Mr. LaPierre’s solution would accomplish is ensuring our children grow up believing there is no hope to stop the violence…

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  • BuzzCoastin

    the NRA may be calloused
    but considering the carnage caused by the US military the last 50 years
    the NRA’s attitude is certainly consistent with that

    > We are a nation that has persevered through tragedies and triumphs alikeby being brave, not by being afraid as Mr. LaPierre wants us to be.

    Yeah, I tell myself that at every TSA ariport grope.

  • charlieprimero

    More offensive are these appeals to emotion for the purpose of destroying my ability to defend against the KKK when Sheriff’s Deputies wearing hoods roll up in my front yard.

    • Artor

      Dude, they have tanks. Is your gun collection really going to help you?

      • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

        The U.S. Military just lost 2 occupations in foreign countries to people with little more than AK-47s and IEDs, so I’m going to say “Yes”.

      • Steve krill

        Obviously you have never been in the military.

      • ishmael2009

        Artor – you should read “Negroes With Guns” by Robert F. Williams, written about his experiences as an African-American in the deep south during the civil rights movement. Williams was there and living it and recalls that it was only AFTER they armed themselves that they were left alone by the police and allowed to protest. Sure made a difference then. And they had tanks then as well.

      • ishmael2009

        Artor – you should read “Negroes With Guns” by Robert F. Williams, written about his experiences as an African-American in the deep south during the civil rights movement. Williams was there and living it and recalls that it was only AFTER they armed themselves that they were left alone by the police and allowed to protest. Sure made a difference then. And they had tanks then as well.

        • Calypso_1

          I also highly recommend ‘Radio Free Dixie’ about the same.

        • Calypso_1

          I also highly recommend ‘Radio Free Dixie’ about the same.

          • ishmael2009

            Thanks, i will have a look at that as well.

          • ishmael2009

            Thanks, i will have a look at that as well.

  • bobbiethejean

    If your answer to a problem partially caused by lax regulation of guns and easy access to guns is MORE GUNS, there is something wrong with you.

  • VaudeVillain

    I’m all for meaningful gun regulation. The problem is that no such regulation is being proposed.

    Pandora’s Box is open, and we can’t close it. Trying to is foolish.

    The real play is to improve firearms education. You want to concealed carry? Fine, but first you’ll need to complete a 12 week course on safety, target recognition, engagement protocol, and tactical shooting. If your intent is to carry around a weapon in public to act as a self-deputized peacekeeper, then you need to be competent enough at this that you will not make the problem worse.

    In fact, anyone wishing to own any gun should be trained on proper use and care as a matter of public safety. The current regimen is frankly inadequate, and needs to be strengthened across the board, with different types of firearms requiring different focuses, and different localities tailoring the programs toward hunting (in the country) or self-defense (in the city) as they feel appropriate.

    This solution would be VASTLY more effective at weeding out the impulsive nutjobs and ensuring that gun owners are safe and responsible with their weapons. Banning “assault weapons,” whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean (protip: it means nothing, the legislation simply targets guns that look particularly scary), does not.

    • Jim

      What are you talking about? CCW tests have to be more harsh? Name me the last school shooting that was perpetrated by a “legal” gun owner.

      • VaudeVillain

        I’m honestly not concerned with stopping future school shootings. Psychopaths will do psychotic things, with or without guns.

        That said, it might slow them down if gun owners took better safety precautions. And I’d support loosening restrictions on when and where legal CCW can actually be done (though schools are not, in my opinion, a place where guns should be allowed regardless) if those CCW holders had actual combat training.

    • 1plakat

      and they should cost way more so people dont build up a fucking arsenal over nothing and actually have pride in their weapons. there is not need for fully auto and semi auto weapons, unless you are planning on gunning a bunch of people down with ease.

      • Calypso_1

        I’m not sure if you have an accurate appreciation for the cost of purchasing quality fire arms. ‘Arsenals’ are not within the budgets of most persons. Noting a lack of ‘pride’ in weapons owners also gives me pause as to your acquaintance with such persons.

        • 1plakat

          Then they should be more expensive, people have money. I am talking real pride, not the selfish childish emotion people think is pride. Don’t insult my intelligence, I can see how much guns cost by just typing it on google. What are you trying to accomplish with this post? Go comment on something you actually feel strongly about. Seems like your are just bored trolling the site again. This post give me a pause as to the depth of your character and your grasp on the seriousness of this issue.

          • Calypso_1

            I feel strongly enough about this issue to be a skilled and well equipped shooter among other things. My ‘character’ can go where and and will it need be. My seriousness should always be considered deadly. Be cautious with the humor as well.

          • 1plakat

            I am also a skill shooter and i dont care for gun. You big coward. Just go argue with someone who cares about what you have to say. Deadly what fraud. And you are trying to argue that guns are safe. Go get a career and get off the net. Bigot and a violent one. What a tool you are.

          • Calypso_1

            If you skill shooter as good as you are shoot the words only the ones to be fearful are peoples who not you even aiming at.

          • 1plakat

            you suck bro get over yourself and your guns. Go get laid or something.

          • Calypso_1

            Would you like me to send you some happy astral sex magic juice? My rotation doesn’t end until 2300, but my wife should have a bottle of wine waiting.

          • 1plakat

            dood your magick can’t touch me. In fact i am going to sending magick your way. Prepare not to feel any inclination to post on this site anymore in the coming months and you might just feel like trading those guns in for a pair of skis. Now you are talking my lingo.

          • Guest

            But i am not going to post on this anymore. You are good write and can spin yarn way better than i can. you should focus on writing and drop the guns you dont need them.

          • Andrew

            Way to get trolled.

          • 1plakat

            But i am not going to post on this anymore. You are good writer and can spin yarn way better than i can. you should focus on writing and drop the guns, you dont need them. The pen is mightier than the gun.

          • 1plakat

            I would only be cautious of you if you were showing your gun around. Violent delusional prick who is not even sensitive to kids dying. I am angry at this. Major douche bag and armed. Stay away from me. Childish delusion of a gun being able to save from any surprise attack. I dont think you are skillrd at anything. I could not stant tour pretensious posts before now i just plain fucking hate it. Get a new hobbie it does not take much skill to shoot at an amature level you are no top shot just a wanna be. I am on my phone so dont act all high mighty just because of typos.

          • Calypso_1

            Your having rather a bad evening, i am sorry you feel so poorly disposed.

          • 1plakat

            Don’t be nice. I am opening displaying my disdain for you and your guns and everyone elses guns. Child. You lack honor and seem to rely only on violent obsolete honor. Anyone can point a gun and shoot and pretend they are having fun for lack of better activities. I takes a real man to stay strong without a gun

          • Calypso_1

            As I said my character will go where and will it needs oh angry one. I will be nice to you. You may display whatever you wish, it pains me not. I am not a child. If that is your belief and you continue to form your thoughts upon it then you reside in falsehood. Honor does indeed call for the understanding and mastery of violence. Most often through staying the hand with wise discretion. Nothing of my strength or manhood requires a gun.

          • Steve krill

            What an absolutely asisnine stupid statement.

          • Calypso_1

            Could you elaborate on your concept of real pride? I am genuinely interested in the distinction you are trying to make.

          • 1plakat

            http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride i dont feel like wasting my time writing to a fool with twisted violent emotions full of mental problems he himself has state in previous posts. Only cowards rely on guns and most of the time still fail to defend themselves. What a joke.

          • Calypso_1

            We are all full of problems. The opportunity, necessity or desire to enter into them as an act of conscious development is not so universally distributed.

          • 1plakat

            no you are packing extra problems.you should move to wear i was born. You will need your guns there, but here you are just another problem for your community.

          • Calypso_1

            Don’t assume. My first memory was my mother being dragged from our car at a check point being & held on the ground at gunpoint. You don’t know my community or my role in it.

      • VaudeVillain

        So poor people shouldn’t be able to defend themselves from the prospect of a tyrannical government? I’d think they are the MOST likely to need such defense. I’m also confident they are the most likely to need protection from ordinary criminals, who are quite capable of acquiring fully and semi automatic weapons for very little money. Last figure I heard was about $300 for a Micro Uzi if you’re willing to go black market.

  • Jim

    Tools of violence? Less than 2 percent of gun crimes involve “assault weapons.” Or, as anybody who’s not a journalist or liberal calls them, a semi-automatic rifle.

    • 1plakat

      Its very easy to use a gun if its just there in front of you, If its not there, it can’t be used. I can’t look at a weapon without my mind instantly bringing up pictures of the violence that can be made a reality by the weapon and how awful it will be . Maybe I just have a healthy conscience, and the ability to reason the danger these tools present to the civilian population .

      • InfvoCuernos

        You know, I grew up around firearms, handled them my whole life, used them, trained with them and that is not what enters my mind when I see one. Stop projecting your fear and insane violent images due to lack of familiarity on everyone else. When your only input involving firearms is media related, of course you are going to have violent pictures in your head. If you are part of the mass of urban people who have never been exposed to firearms except from T.V. then that’s what you are going to feel about them. For people that grow up around them, its a different story. You have been manipulated by media and I recommend that you take steps to overcome your brainwashing. Take a shooting class. Maybe then you will see that guns aren’t some evil device designed by the devil that take control over their user and force them to do bad things. Maybe also its not a good idea to take responsibility out of people’s hands and give it over to the govt.

        • 1plakat

          What are your obsolete guns going to do against the government? They have heavy armor, don’t be delusional. I don’t care that you grew up with fire arms, to me that just means your parents are ignorant and reckless (I grew up taking care of my beautiful numerous pets). How about you don’t project your love of something useless in everyday life on me. How is a freaking shooting class going to help? That is just going to make potential mass killers like you, who carry guns even more deadly, I rather you have bad aim, this Lanza kid went to the range with his mom. Your argument is bias, making you sound like you are “addicted” to your weapons and we know addicts do not reason very well when its time to kick the habit. I don’t want my kids around guns, nor do I want you and your kids around them, that just ridiculous; this is not the wild wild west. I have a pocket knife collection, they are really nice and expensive, but if the government passed at law (finally a good law) to take them away, because some kids got slaughtered, trying prevent it from happening again. Heck take them, I’ll replace them with books. I barely watch tv, nor play violent video games, so don’t project that on me. If you are desensitized to the dangers of loosely regulated firearms in a first world country, then you might as well be holding an actual time bomb. Go work on an organic garden. Sell your guns and help your community by opening an art center, or donate to a sports program instead of spending your hard earned money on guns that endanger the community. You will never turn me on to the idea that an aggressive, reckless weapon that is a gun, will be of any benefit to me. If they were not tools of violence, the military would not be so fond of them. Instead of taking a young child to a shooting range (what?) I’d take him or her to music lessons, so in the future they can enrich peoples lives with a beautiful musical performance, instead of taking a bunch of them out with a senseless display of violence, because they have access to guns when they were feeling a little disturbed (which everyone feels like from time to time due to the everyday pressures of life). Drop your bias, Its ridiculous that I even have to defend this in such a time. Really think about your guns, without being scared of anything, what do you need them for? Shooting is kinda boring and sedative compared to action sports, Boring. Guns are for cowards and lunatics. It sucks that we have such slow and conditioned people in this country, who have attachment issues to needless tools of violence. I don’t care if I get thumbs up or down. I am not hypnotized by tv, nor is my mind going to be changed by a simple argument coming from you, suck it. Stay away from me with your guns and away from my kids. People that admire guns, usually think someone else is packing heat as well. Don’t give me the adult argument, trying to feel important, adults do dumb shit all the time, especially when they are not experts or have no talent in whatever they are doing. We are in a constant experiment in this life and with every experiment, there is always the chance that it will fail. The part of the experiment that deals with guns just failed. Time for the gun engineers to build something else to make money, if you want a gun, build it yourself… ( I know 3d printers but those are expensive as hell and I bet the gun will jam all the time). Lets see how that goes for all the unskilled fools who just want to feel powerful, usually over correcting something in their lives. Buy a generator, those have plenty of power. My mantra is “No guns, No problem” live it. Buy a nail gun and go help build houses for families in need of help, leave the world a better place, not a world filled with deadly guns that are hard to defend against. The nerve!!!!!!!

          • InfvoCuernos

            You sure do know a lot about me. You are obviously not operating from a bias of any kind. Don’t bother trying to see things from the other side of the fence, just resort to name calling. Paint everyone with the same brush, that’s always a good idea.

          • Dingbert

            Five bucks says one of you is from the country or a small town, and the other is from a city or suburbia.

          • 1plakat

            Go shoot your guns. Ill shoot my words. Violent bigot. Dont try to act like a nice guy. I dont care for your false self, show your self. Fool

          • InfvoCuernos

            Bigot?!?! Where the heck did that come from? Now who’s trolling? Crawl back under your bridge, troll.

          • 1plakat

            Answers the questions on my post dont focus on personal attacks. People are dying and you are holding onto guns you dont need because of irrational fear. Check yourself. And yes you are a bigot. A big one.

          • Jim

            It’s funny you tell me that people are dying, and then mention that I’m holding onto my guns. I haven’t killed anyone. Every day, millions of gun owners go through their everyday business without killing a single person.

          • Calypso_1

            Most people i know that own fire arms do own nail guns & are more than happy to help build. They also garden and play music. You’ve been filled with stereotypes.

          • 1plakat

            Whatever most of the people i know dont. I am pissed kids are dead . You need to check your morals. Ive post where you proclaim your violent emotions. Its stunning your are so calm and proud of guns. I guess you are not as intelligent ad you pretend to be. All name dropping and pretense

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            Noone is happy that the kids got killed, but some people can hold back their anger and fear long enough to have a stoic, clearheaded view of the situation. You however apparently cannot.

          • Jim

            You mean you’re angry because the news blames guns for dead people. You’re mad about stuff because media tells you to be, and what to be mad at. It’s irrational to ban guns to stop crimes like Newtown. Tell me, what gun laws was the killer breaking by bringing a gun into the school. Could it be… gasp… GUN CONTROL laws???!?

          • CosmicAmazing

            Your idiocy knows no bounds… I’m going to point people to these posts of yours as an example of what a gun grabbing nutjob is.

          • ishmael2009

            You gotta love the way that someone like “1Plakat” strenuously proclaims how non violent they are at the same time as they are indulging in a rant about something that they disagree with.

            1Plakat – here’s a pro tip for you: calling someone with whom you disagree “a potential mass murderer” is not only ludicrous but makes you look screwy and your entire comment inept and partisan. If your position is as strong as you clearly believe it to be then the truth should shine out for everyone to see without the need for childish name calling. Just a thought, have a great day.

          • Jim

            What are my guns going to do against “heavy armor?” When was the last time that 313.9 million people were killed by a tank division? When was the last time that somebody took over an entire country only with drones?

      • Jim

        The same argument can be made for assault knives. Or assault cars. Or assault forks.

      • Jim

        Sounds like you have a violence issue… I can’t look at news stories about rape and murder without immediately thinking about doing the same myself. I also watch television news and vote for Obama, just because they cover him so much.

  • Dingbert

    Why is our first thought to ban assault weapons after a shooting in a state with an assault weapons ban?

  • Hadrian999

    like almost everything in america this debate is adversarial, expecting one side to lay down and do your work for you is foolish. Any show of weakness on their part would only encourage more groups to oppose them. If you want to beat them then beat them but don’t cry when they don’t do your job for you.

  • Heath

    My story goes like this. I convinced myself about 5 years back that I wanted to buy a ak47 (wasr10) as named in the store. Very reliable fairly accurate firearm. With drum attachments one could buy if so inclined with capacity of over 100 rounds. I’m not to much of a gun person but after shooting my neighbors, I convinced myself it was the best choice. (I can see your brow) Anyways after about 4 years, and much critizing from my wife, I decided to get rid of it. So I called a few gun shops, with minimal intrest one ffl dealer told me something I never knew. He said “Why don’t you have a yard sale or put it on craigs list, after all its just a rifle, right?” Here lays my major problem with assault rifles. The word “assault” is trumped by the regulations description of what this item actually is. It’s not a toy, it’s not a hunting tool, it’s a weapon of death, nothing more….

    • Matt Staggs

      Not sure I’d describe my experiences with AK47s as “accurate”.

      • Calypso_1

        Agreed.

      • Heath

        Which barrel size and country of make re we talking about, the sks china variety or the Romania made. Ive picked off a muskrat that was destroying my pond from just under 100 yards with one..

        • Matt Staggs

          Not sure about the barrel size, but it’s an Eastern European knock-off, so you’ve probably got a point.

          • Calypso_1

            Fundamentally, the weapon performs how and as well as it was designed too.

        • Calypso_1

          Try it vs an AR at 400+ yards.

      • Dingbert

        Especially those Century Arms WASRs. Rebuilt from scrap parts of various Romanian AKs and the only AK I’ve ever seen jam. Accuracy with those is just luck of the draw.

    • Jim

      A “weapon of death?” Are you kidding me? How many people do guns kill on their own? More people are killed yearly by hands and feet than “assault rifles.” Perhaps you need to check yourself.

  • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    I actually hate guns myself. But I support people’s right to own them, because I think people should be treated as adults in a Free Country.

    But I will say that carrying a gun around may attract into your life a reason to “have to” use it. It changes your mindset and creates a different set of synchronicities than not carrying.

    • mannyfurious

      I feel pretty much the same way. But I also have delusions that I’m the real life Batman and often find myself thinking thoughts like, “If someone comes at me with a gun, he best have some good aim.”

      Let’s also not forget that by making guns illegal, it would just give the country another reason to lock up the darkies and the poor people.

    • ishmael2009

      Well said, Ted.

  • Dingbert

    The gun control debate is mostly a debate between cities and rural areas. Perhaps this is why federal gun laws are constitutionally restricted, but states and localities may regulate as their constituents desire.

    • Dingbert

      Actually not true anymore, as of 2010 (McDonald v. Chicago). Pardon my confusion–it had been that way since the 19th century.

  • Ex Nihiloish

    There really is no hope of stopping senseless violence.
    We, as a people, are definitely NOT better than that.
    Just look at the thousands of years of human history or even the world around you today.

  • Paul

    I’ve read many articles and discussions on gun control in the last few
    days, and find it very interesting. The theory that debate will not
    change anyone minds, but only solidify their beliefs rings true in all
    that I’ve read. Full disclosure, I loathe all politicians equally, I
    own two guns (a hunting rifle I’ve had for 20 years and a 9mm pistol),
    but I’m not a member of the NRA and have no urge to join them.

    For
    the purpose of this post I will be generalizing and stereotyping
    people, this is not out of disrespect, but to save time and space, as
    right wing or left wing.

    So, the NRA (designated right wingers)
    comes out and blames not guns, but media. Violent movies, video games,
    and the 24 hours news cycle. The left wing then derides this
    immediately. Now, I will not suggest the NRA is correct, but let’s look
    at these arguments a little more. The NRA will try to shift the blame
    to things other than guns, because they like their guns. But, the left
    wing will try to blame guns because they don’t like guns, and they will
    try to shift blame away from violent media because why? Because the
    left wing wants their freedom of speech, and anything that suggests
    reigning in that freedom must be wrong, so stick to the guns. But, one
    article getting alot of attention is by Jill Lepore, makes note that gun
    ownership numbers are actually decreasing. So, gun ownership is
    decreasing, but violent shooting sprees are increasing. This does not
    prove, but does suggest that guns are not the cause of the the
    violence. Thirty years ago the types of guns used in these atrocities
    were readily available, but these types of events were not at common. On
    the other hand, the easy availability of guns does however make this
    scenario much too easy. I may very well be wrong, but guns allow
    killers a certain distance from their crimes. I think it would be much
    harder to walk up to someone and hit them on the head or stab them as
    opposed to just pulling a trigger (much the same way our meat comes
    packaged in stores, and we never have to see the animals getting
    slaughtered, we don’t have to face where the meat comes from.) Also,
    guns allow unstable people to kill more people, a killer with a knife or
    a stick can be approached and overwhelmed more readily, given enough
    people willing to try, than one with a couple of guns. Granted, killers
    can still make bombs and do damage, as seen by terrorists, but that one
    step further to plan something like that may prove just enough of an
    impediment to keep these types of mass murders from happening as
    frequently.

    Back to the media. The fact that guns have been
    available for years and gun ownership is decreasing does not jibe with
    the increased numbers of killing sprees being solely due to guns. So,
    murder sprees like those in the last year have increased, what else has
    increased over this same time period? Some answers include violent
    movies, the internet, video games, prescriptions of anti depressants,
    and a violence centric media. Does this mean the NRA is right? No, but
    it does suggest that just because this argument comes from the NRA
    doesn’t make it invalid. But, the left wing doesn’t want it’s darlings
    attacked, so they will quote studies and statistics that prove that
    these other possible causes bear no responsibility for these types of
    attacks.

    I find it funny that the right wing, often labeled as
    violent individualistic gun supporters, are the ones usually attempting
    to regulate violent media and those labeled as left wing peaceful
    pacifists are often the ones fighting for the right to produce violent
    media. This hypocrisy, as I see it, is totally consistent with modern
    bipartisan politics. Example, the right wing often claims they want
    smaller government, but then they want to this same government to
    regulate much of our lives, who you can marry, what types of lifestyle
    you can lead, etc… On the other hand, the left wing wants everyone to
    be open minded, but by open minded they mean open minded like them, if
    you don’t agree with them, on gay marriage or lifestyle issues, then
    they will not be open minded about your beliefs.

    Here are the
    real points of my rant. I understand the calls for gun control, and I’m
    not totally opposed to them. Gun rights however rightly or wrongly,
    are protected in the second amendment (you can spend hours discussing
    with people on both sides of gun control the historical and accurate
    interpretation of gun rights, but the general feeling is that Americans
    have certain rights to keep and bear arms.) So, if the government does
    begin limiting the second amendment, then those who support those
    changes should not be surprised or angered when the government at some
    point decides to limit the scope of other amendments, including those
    that some gun control advocates hold dear (the first and fourth
    amendments spring to mind.)

    I’m a veterinarian, and in my line of
    work people often ask why their animal got sick. The answer is rarely
    simple, it is often a combination of factors including genetics,
    lifestyle, and exposure. I feel this is the case with gun violence, it
    is a multifaceted problem. Gun control is part of the solution to the
    horrific events of the last few years, but it is not a silver bullet
    (pun intended), and we as a nation must address the other factors
    involved, and I think this point gets lost in the fear mongering over
    gun control.

    • Jim

      Wrong. NRA blames people. They wrongly blamed movies and the like, but the fundamental difference between NRA and the left is that the NRA blames people in the long run.

  • Despicable Yeti

    I know I’m mad late to this rage party buut–I brought some snacks. :3

  • ishmael2009

    Gretchen Whitmer lost no time in playing the “outraged mummy” card here then. Nice. Nothing like a bit of meaningless moral indignation to grab the headlines.

  • ishmael2009

    Gretchen Whitmer lost no time in playing the “outraged mummy” card here then. Nice. Nothing like a bit of meaningless moral indignation to grab the headlines.

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