Chris Hedges: Death of Liberal Class, OWS Surveillance Exposed, Clean Energy


Abby Martin  Breaks the Set on Alternative Energy, Government Surveillance, and Serious Revolt in the US with Chris Hedges.

Abby Martin

Abby Martin

Creator at The Empire Files
Creator The Empire Files on teleSUR, Founder Media Roots, BOD Project Censored & Former Host Breaking the Set
Abby Martin

9 Comments on "Chris Hedges: Death of Liberal Class, OWS Surveillance Exposed, Clean Energy"

  1. Tom Murphy’s blog will blow your fucking mind regarding energy issues, and not in a good way. Regarding all those hyped up alternative energy issues, start with this one:

    • bobbiethejean | Jan 12, 2013 at 9:48 am |

      That was an excellent article but I hope you realize it was not a treatise against alternate energy sources. I’m not accusing, just asking.

      • Murphy’s blog is all about the energy reality of peak oil. His assessment of alternative energy sources is sobering insofar as it points to the fact that there is no ‘silver bullet’ solution for fossil fuel depletion. I’ve been reading peak oil literature obsessively for the past several years, and it has drastically changed my lifestyle and life-goals simply because it anchors the corrupted, decadent Western mindset back to a thermodynamic reality.

        • bobbiethejean | Jan 12, 2013 at 1:03 pm |

          As much as we’ve disagreed on things before, with this I agree. Don’t get me wrong, I am a rampantly hopeful alternate energy source cheerleader. However, I realize the very unfortunate, sobering reality that at the present time, oil is the best option we have. Maybe in the future we will stumble across some way to solve the problem but that time isn’t now. I’m still hopeful and I’ll still cheerlead exploration and experimentation but I’m not gullible and I’m not naive and as hopeful as I am, I’m not presently optimistic, especially considering the decline in education and science in this country.

          • I guess I am beyond optimism or pessimism in the ‘we’ now. Once I realized that the ‘we’ was often used as an ideological cover for the ‘Them’, I reoriented my hopes, dreams and ambitions to encompass a much smaller sphere of family and friends. If by ‘we’ you mean the species, then yes, there is reason to expect that people will fight to overcome obstacles as they have always done, but on a much smaller scale. The complex collective action that takes place on the level that we conveniently call ‘the nation-state’ owes its capacity up to now to the energy subsidy earned from fossil fuels. So that level of ‘we’ is doomed. The same goes for ‘science’. The good thing about energy decline is that it will return people to their senses, and they’ll stop believing in fairy tales like an ‘objective state’ and an ‘objective science’. I know you’ll disagree with the latter. I need to get a reading list to you. I should send you the syllabus for the class I taught last semester called ‘Epistemology in the Human Sciences’ at Saint Paul U here in Ottawa.

          • bobbiethejean | Jan 13, 2013 at 10:40 am |

            I never said science is objective. It is a tool of humanity. Humans are most often not objective. Purely objective science may or may not be possible, I don’t know. But I would not defend human-based science as perfectly objective. I will say it is a fuck-lot closer to objective than other view points. But totally objective? No.

      • Two of his articles that really spell out thermodynamic reality are these:

        A great quote: “No matter what the technology, a sustained 2.3% energy growth rate would require us to produce as much energy as the entire sun within 1400 years.”

        Of course, this thermodynamic reality is coming home to roost currently as economic austerity measures kick in around the world and the hierarchical state system proves itself to have always been corrupt to the core. This is why I always argue that any political or social problem we try to fix is futile until we eradicate the anti-thermodynamic practices of usury and debt, first and foremost. (And, I don’t mean by paying all debt off–indeed, an impossibility–I refer to massive, collective default, with some guillotines thrown in for effective future money changer deterrent.)

        • Anarchy Pony | Jan 12, 2013 at 12:51 pm |

          I don’t remember exactly what the time frame was, but I remember an article that said if our energy use continues to grow, the waste heat alone would raise temperatures on earth’s surface to the boiling point.

          • It’s the first one… entitled Galactic Scale Energy. It was a pivotal moment for me when I read that. How eye-opening it would be for EVERYONE else if they knew that they, too, could debunk all of classical economic theory with a calculator and some graph paper.

Comments are closed.