False Past And The Phantom Time Hypothesis

Wikipedia lays out the phantom time hypothesis, the odd belief that certain eras of history did not occur:

The Phantom Time Hypothesis is a conspiracy theory developed by Heribert Illig in 1991. It proposes that periods of history, specifically that of Europe during the Early Middle Ages (AD 614–911), did not exist, and that there has been a systematic effort to cover up that fact. Illig believed that this was achieved through the alteration, misrepresentation and forgery of documentary and physical evidence.

The bases of Illig’s hypothesis include:

The scarcity of archaeological evidence that can be reliably dated to the period AD 614–911, on perceived inadequacies of radiometric and dendrochronological methods of dating this period.

The presence of Romanesque architecture in tenth-century Western Europe. This is taken as evidence that less than half a millennium could have passed since the fall of the Roman Empire, and concludes that the entire Carolingian period, including the person of Charlemagne, is a forgery by medieval chroniclers, more precisely a conspiracy instigated by Otto III and Gerbert d’Aurillac.

The discrepancy between the Julian calendar (introduced by Julius Caesar) and the real (or tropical) calendar. By the time the modern Gregorian calendar was introduced in AD 1582, the imprecise Julian calendar “should” have produced a discrepancy of thirteen days between it and the real calendar. Instead, the astronomers and mathematicians working for Pope Gregory had found that the civil calendar needed to be adjusted by only ten days. From this, Illig concludes that the AD era had counted roughly three centuries which never existed.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

    Maybe the Roman Empire never really fell. I’ve always wondered why Romanesque architecture is so prevalent in the stone and mortar edifices of power.

    • Jesse

      Started before rome, you can see similar themes in eygpt as well. Eygpt > Rome > Germany > America, possibly earlier than that.

    • BuzzCoastin

      Since Rome
      all Western Empires emulate it
      including it’s decline and fall

    • Think Harder

      This was an idea which Philip K. Dick contemplated, as a result of the “Gnostic” visions which he experienced: that we are all living in ancient Rome, only a few years after the crucifixion of Christ, and that all of our “memories” of the “past” are actually falsely implanted deceptions.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

        I haven’t read Dick (no pun). I’ll put him on my reading list. Thanks.

        • Think Harder

          Definitely check out Radio Free Albemuth and the VALIS trilogy (VALIS, The Divine Invasion, and The Transmigration of Timothy Archer). There are significant sections of RFA which are autobiographical in nature, where Dick explores and questions the nature of the visions which he experienced in 1974. The script was originally rejected by the publisher, so he reworked it into VALIS, which then takes the Gnostic stuff to a whole other level of mind-bending cray-cray :-)

        • sidray

          You’ve seen a bunch of his work and probably never even knew it. Look him up online and you’ll see what I mean.

      • Sagreer70

        Most of Phillip K. Dick is proof that God Loves Us and Sent Us LSD as a sign of that.

  • rus Archer
    • BuzzCoastin

      in 2003 I ended a 3 year internet fast
      and one of the first things I discovered upon my return to an internet diet
      was this guy’s theories about history
      pretty interesting stuff
      but at the end of the day, it’s mental masturbation at it’s finest

      • rus Archer

        possibly the most ellaborate troll in the past 20 years

        • Jordon Flato

          Where ever I go, there Rus is.

        • Simon Valentine

          the troll of my troll is an author of various auspices

  • BuzzCoastin

    all history is fragmentary, obscure and distorted
    added to which is Jung’s great insight:
    “History will teach us nothing.”

    • Simon Valentine

      history i learnconsume
      *i see a hollywood archer hat and i want it painted black
      no feathers any more i want them ashen black*
      what history will not consume is also never in exhume
      good day sir, thank you/good day sir!

  • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

    True power is to be able to say “X” and have the people believe it, and reinforce upon to each other.

    This may be an Owellian “X” which defies the objective past or present, or it may be a subjective “X”.

    …I am sometimes crushed by the tendency of contemporary people to refuse to look at the truth of certain objective facts which would defy their socially- and media-reinforced reality.

  • skakried

    so does this article suggest that it is currently the year 1713 ?

    I am merely trying to gain a stronger understanding of what this theory suggests .

    And if so and the fall of the roman empire was not as long ago as we thought , then are there any correlations between how long it lasted and the span of other global empires such as the Egyptians , the goths , the persians and the vikings (although that wasn’t much of an empire) .

    and can we calculate the time/date difference and see if it coincides with the dates of modern civilizations/events. I am merely speculating here , but could it be possible that someone somewhere has a tab on how long civilization last and is orcastrating their downfalls so to influence future generations view of history ?

  • John Petersen

    Or it was a typo. :P

  • http://www.facebook.com/kage.burger Kage Burger

    Why does this matter?

  • uncoveror

    This hooey seems to be concerned only with European history. Look to the rest of the world to see if there is any “missing time”. This is almost as silly as time cube.

    • Corey

      I know there was no missing time in UK, I have multiple genealogies and books written that kept track in Ireland, Scotland, Northumbria, Wales, and Yorkshire/Wakefield/Pontefract area, quite detailed written by my family. We do not tell tales, we’re above that pettiness and always have been. Fully documented, detailed, cross referenced, and proven, since the time of Jesus, the I Am.

  • Simon Valentine

    yeah jesus cults do the damdest things
    reorganize, reorder, replace
    Babel, similarities in languages (illusory inter-speciation), the infamous ‘dragon break’ of politics, and “the crusades was sci-fi and hipster and brony before anything existed except jesus died for you so fuck logic it’s all logic fallen from babylon’s gardens and is there any lie i can lie for you today, character #?” so would you like a dogtag with your happy meal? *snipe-wink*

    A Warp In The West: Psychosis, or Moron?

    it’s the steppe pyramid. it’s the alien. and i’m not saying it was.