Police And Military Fire Blank Machine Gun Rounds From Helicopters Above Downtown Miami In Bizarre Drill

Miami’s WSVN reports in surreal fashion on a “joint military training exercise involving city police and the military” in which a swarm of helicopters hovered above Miami’s city center and the sounds of machine gun fire filled the air at the same time as thousands of spectators exited a Miami Heat basketball game.

The purpose on the military side was to “prepare for some overseas [activities]” and to ensure that “equipment was in check.” Police emphasized that this was only a drill. But the obvious question is, what was this a drill for? And, too bad for any local residents who did not want to be unwitting participants in a military exercise:

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  • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    Yeah, I hate this type of bullshit. I’ve been seeing it more and more. The Local ROTC does this shit in local parks in full military gear and dummy weapons, here in Madison, WI.

    I promised myself that next time I see them I am throwing snowballs at their asses and if they don’t like I will be willing to throw down. I’d be open to organizing a National Snowball fight. Let me know if anyone else is interested.

    The idea is that semi non-violent direct action against people playing soldier and scaring civilians. If they have blanks pelt them in the face hard with snow balls.

    • http://www.facebook.com/eric.andrew.dodson#!/eric.andrew.dodson Eric Andrew Dodson

      There would need to be a Miami equivalent in this particular case, given the lack of snow in Miami.

    • “Big” Richard Johnson

      I hope they throw a snowball or two back!

      :)

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        Yeah, I was thinking of that possibility too. I think that would be a plus.

    • MoralDrift

      so just curious were those cadets pretending to fire on bystanders or just practicing among themselves?

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        Each other, but the overall effect was to intimidate everyone else from using the park since they were in full combat gear and carrying guns that looked real. I learned they were fake After confronting them and telling them they should be doing this on a military base.

        • MoralDrift

          I definitely see how it could be in bad taste, ROTC usually wont have that many resources available but they are usually just college kids playing solider…the thing in Miami was….unbelieveable

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            When I was in the Army We had to where Class A’s when leaving the base (basically a suit and tie) or civilian clothes. Now Soldiers go all over the place in fatigues. This is all by design. We used to get in big trouble if caught off base in fatigues.

            The decision to do this was obviously to make more of a Public presense of the Military like they do in Military Dictatorships.

          • MoralDrift

            Interesting point, but I’m not sure if it is an intentional move or just lazy standards..not like ACU’s look intimidating…more….frumpy

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            Its intentional. People dressed to kill are more intimidating than those dressed to go to a banquet. It has nothing to do with laziness it has to do with policy changes made after 9/11

            Military dictatorships don’t form through laziness on the part of the military, laziness on the public maybe. You can’t chalk everything up to incompetence, but thats a popular disinformation technique.

          • MoralDrift

            i wouldn’t normally…but as someone who also has first hand knowledge of the military I can state with certainty that it is one of the most incompetent organizations in existence

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            The one in Burma is no doubt incompetent too. Yet they are running the country and oppressing the people and depriving them of their rights and civil liberties.

          • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather
  • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather
    • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

      Linkin Park, Shadow of the Day
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1PCW0C1aiM

    • Ittabena

      So I take it this is an Indie film? My point about fear and hate is that we “must” feel these things rather than use the tools we have for becoming one huge family. Fear and hate then become the lowest common denominator in the long, long effort to “divide and conquer”. And if fear and hate is so important to them maybe we should examine what would happen if we refused to co-operate by following their lead.

      I don’t object to globalism if it comes from the people, but from the Corporations and money manipulators it is just a a wind up monkey clanging two cymbals together.

      Just a thought

      • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

        I’m not altogether sure what to make of it.

        Maybe it’s a dire warning to get people to snap out of their denial.

        Maybe it’s a provocative, military psychological operation designed to precipitate disorder and chaos in the formerly sedate, passive, and orderly United States population, who have not felt the oppression of war for many generations.

        In any case, people do seem to need to feel threatened in a dire way before they become willling to change their heads and their life-choices.

        With the inevitable future collapse of giant Ponzi scheme that is our monetary way of life, I see this film as something useful in a good way, and also useful in a bad way.

        Now is the time for people to feel threatened by the bad things, to get them busy trying to preserve the good things. If we refuse to go to war with each other over our formerly-sacred cows (taught to us by the left-right media paradigm), we can learn to stop fighting each other when we should be fighting the ones imposing these systems on us.

        Adversity makes men. Prosperity makes monsters.

        1: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_4MlgEUNak8/Tn_eQio-0wI/AAAAAAAAAxM/ZN72b1jDRZE/s576/march-of-tyranny.jpg

        2: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-H7mkoaCnn-k/UNUB3fddZoI/AAAAAAAABjA/ZvYTw1GKY-U/s576/bankers-losing-stormtrooper-force-crowd-mob-versus.jpg

        3: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mckB75aToFY/UPZPW4JsJhI/AAAAAAAABl4/hNuxzgIFNgY/s640/banker-plutocrat-steal-police-pension.jpg

        4: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-X_3-R5hB3HE/UNT_dGDgiyI/AAAAAAAABik/-JzfeOHZe4M/s576/your-comfort-zone-versus-where-the-magic-happens-non-mutual.jpg

        5:https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vvF2HfYAdds/T9Z8kdOrxWI/AAAAAAAABbc/7bimyiP0K_k/s576/twin-towers-explosive-evidence.png

        6:https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uHZqyH1qmoE/Tn_mC_LpqVI/AAAAAAAAAzo/PLAZwrAn5RQ/s640/all-is-vanity.jpg

        • Ittabena

          “Now is the time for people to feel threatened by the bad things, to get
          them busy trying to preserve the good things. If we refuse to go to war
          with each other over our formerly-sacred cows (taught to us by the
          left-right media paradigm), we can learn to stop fighting each other
          when we should be fighting the ones imposing these systems on us.”

          Exactly my point but let’s take it one step further. As a child I was raised Catholic and schooled in Catholic Schools all my life – don’t worry recovering nicely now. What it did was to show me as clearly as possible the hypocrisy of that Political Power posing as a Religion. But what it also did was to force me to investigate other religions, for decades.

          So what if the Eastern Religions are right and there is reincarnation and vibrations involved. What if Bill Hicks was right? When you boil it down there are really only two emotions; Love and Hate. Love has a very high vibrational rate while hate has a very low rate. What if it is paramount for us to be kept mired in the lower vibrational rate in order for this takeover to succeed?

          If it were not important, why would they try so relentlessly to keep us in fear and loathing? I mean it is one thing after another, ad nausea. I think we can all agree on this last point. The frequency and regularity of it alone raises huge red flags.

          I hate to write a term paper here, but a few years ago I was living in the foreign country of Mississippi. Very negative, and I was listening to Alex Jones, everything was going wrong. Couldn’t make enough money to pay the bills each month, a tree was pushed over onto my house by the first gust of a freak storm. My friend liked to say that if I didn’t have bad luck I would have no luck at all.

          A friend I had made there didn’t like the heat when it got to 75 so he moved back to Washington State. After a year of urging I followed him out there. What did I have to lose? (I also quit listening to Alex Jones!)

          My bad luck, and I did. I moved from one small town to another but at the new small town in WA my luck turned around 180 degrees. The difference? The attitude of the people around me and the attitude that it brought out in me. I wish I could tell you how dramatic and profound this change was. It was like someone had thrown a switch.

          After a 3000 mile trip with all my belongings packed into a sports car this was a life lesson that was hard to overlook. I have not been out of a job since i got here and wonderful things have happened as I visualize them.

          Matt, have you seen the film “The Secret”? If not you should give it a watch. I found the theory decades ago and it works but it is not as easy to do in a negative environment as it is in a positive one. But then again what is?

          Now I am not proselytizing for any New Age ideas, rather for very old ideas. It is also my belief that Religion, Science and magic are all one thing. And when we understand them correctly they will become one thing. I think we should call it “life”, but we had better hurry some!

          Your thoughts?

          • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

            24 hours ago I started writing an answer to this, but I lost it all-at-once at exactly the time when I had to be leaving out the door. So… here I go again. (By the way I hope you were not “waiting with bated breath” on my response — actually I know you weren’t — you already know that you don’t need others to validate you or justify you, and if I never replied to you that wouldn’t really hurt you in your life going forward.)

            As regards “The Secret”, I have heard from at least two extremely influential people upon me that I need to see it / read it / learn it. When the first person told me about it, I watched the movie preview, did some glancing at its summary on Wikipedia, and then I never pursued it! I think this is because, what I really am, for now, underneath all my speculations about hyper-dimensional cosmic aliens and gods and ancient technology, is a materialist rationalist empiricist. And a Nietzschean Nihilist. That’s not what my “soul” is, but that’s the fundamental yoke or framework I put on my brain to determine what to “believe” and what to call “truth” or proof when talking to others. When I talk about spirituality or moral things, I talk in a hypothetical way. But my fundamental null hypothesis (which I do seek to disprove) is that there is nothing true in life but Darwinian evolution and a bunch of selfish, brutish animals called humans with big brains currently walking the earth, and there is no one looking out to protect them, and no magic but coincidence and magical thinking. Maybe someday I’ll try to let myself believe in supra-rational things, but for now I choose to yoke myself onto a certain “objectivist”-sort of framework.

            And yet, I don’t consider myself “right” to be this way. I see the morality and belief-in-spirituality in others, and I take that as prima facie evidence upon which to examine the theory or potential that we have a God-given specialness, and that there are higher powers which judge us or observe us. Basically, I am willing to believe that the human conscience is not just an imaginary or baseless thing, as nihilists and materialists would maintain — and I try and appeal to the conscience of others and ask them about the disparities and the gaps and the dissonances in their lives between what they think is right in their heart, and how they are really living their life. In this way, maybe people can change the fate which is set before them — death at the hands of the systems they create (statism-capitalism and predatory evolution and Satanism all are systems of life and belief that are more powerful than any one of us, and that get their power from how we live our lives, and they all set before us a grim future).

            So, getting back to The Secret, I haven’t watched it / read it yet. And that’s because I see it like this: I don’t want to seek power for myself. We already live in a world where this pattern has repeated too many times:

            Person A is in power → Person B wants to change the way A does things, and seeks more power → a conflict between A and B results in either A or B prevailing, with either one of them having more or the same level of power as before → repeat after the conflict resolves and Person C wants to change things.

            This pattern has resulted in terrifying levels of power in the hands of the ruling elite. If I wanted to use power to unseat them, I’d wind up ruling with just as much power if not more power than they have already. And, since I’m just a self-centered and fallible human myself, I’d have a new problem after I seized power — that the people all within my power are greedy and competitive for scarce resources, and even if I could give them all they want, they will just want more tomorrow. And then I’d have to do just as bad of things the old rulers were doing, just to keep myself in power.

            So I take a path that says “if one way doesn’t work, try the opposite”.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_formation

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enantiodromia

            I also have a personal belief in the “Power of Truth”. If ever there was a God I believed in for no reason other than the faith I was born with, that God is Truth. I believe that more truths persist in the face of human will than are changed by human will. So a person can pray with all their heart, or force all their will into something, and maybe they will actually manifest a change. But on the whole, there are many more external truths that persist despite all our will and hopes and prayers and lives spent building something. And I try to work within the constraints of external, objective truth. The good news here is that for all the unpleasant, uncomfortable, psychologically terrifying truths out there, we can still always make lemons from lemonade. In other writings I will write in the future, I’ll explain more about this.

            * * *

            As a final closing thought, I’d point out something interesting about materialistic physics. For a very long time, but notably since the days of Newton, science has wanted to try to discover the atomistic, materialistic, physical laws of the universe that govern us, with an important implicit goal of it all to be able to determine, as a matter of mechanistic determination, the future by studying the present.

            By way of analogy, in a pool table of two dimensions, and pools balls of two dimensions (and even in three dimensions, as long as they are pure theoretical Euclidean dimensions — perfect spheres, no air resistance or air resistance that perfectly follows simple equations, no friction or friction that perfectly follows simple equations, etc. etc.) mechanistic determination can perfectly predict the paths of the pool balls on the pool table forever. If there were no friction, I could tell you where each pool ball would be one million years from now after any arbitrary “shot”, inside of a Newtonian model of two or three dimensions, with Euclidean geometry.

            Science has been trying and trying and trying to measure “the real reality” in every way it can, with more and more advanced models, to try to be able to unlock the mechanistic-deterministic laws which govern us all. The non-scientist elite who have all the money and power in this world desperately want this knowledge as well.

            We have been able to do truly fantastic things with their science — just a passenger airplane landing safely is a modern miracle, if you realize that the plane is a massive ballistic object carrying hundreds of human beings inside of a complex piece of engineered metal and electronics — to say nothing of space travel. And also just consider nuclear energy and nuclear weapons for a bit — we are able to unleash “massive” amounts energy out of mass!

            But the atomistic-determinstic study of the sub-atom reveals to us “quantum science”. And this science seems to evade all our deterministic aspirations. At the sub-atomic level, so far all attempts to get more atomistic-deterministic have been totally frustrated. The harder we try, the more we find it can’t be done.

            This in itself is the most scientific and the most rational evidence of non-materialism I can think of at this time. It leads me to offer this hypothesis, that we all can relate to, especially the non-hyper-specialized scientists and physicists and metaphysicists among us: that the future is in no way set (the specialists are all too wrapped up in their specialty to see the common truth of the common people). The past is what it was, but coming out of the present things are not set. We humans may use our free will (because our brains are not deterministic machines), and our gift of consciousness, to try to make any future we will.

            In this sense, the only thing driving us into a Technetronic, Techno-Dystopian Police State is our lack of belief in more possibilities. The Police State is, fundamentally, a manifestation of our money system and the ruling elite who thrive by it. They do awful things, war-based things, just to stay at the top of the arbitrary game that is money. The “little”, common people also let themselves be controlled by money, not imagining other possibilities. Money is one form of law, as we take actions that are governed by the money offered to us by others who have money, and we expect others to do what our money tells them to do.

            But in the unlimited sense of things, this is just arbitrary. Money and any-other-medium-else-you-name is just an intermediary means of getting from our will to reality. Whatever intermediary you want to use to deal with people (this includes non-material things such as ideas or myths or missions) is just an intermediary. All that matters is the individual and the end-goal he desires. So let’s all remember we have “The Power” to think outside of any box, and that we are not as determined or determinable as The Matrix Programmers would like us to be. We can stop playing their arbitrary game, and re-write our own social contracts with others around us. It’s all free will, subject to certain truths external to us. That’s how I take things and that’s what I try to teach others.

          • Ittabena

            Matt,

            Wow, never expected that much back but appreciate it all the same. It is late and normally that is when I write, but Fridays I close the market I manage and Saturdays I have to be in pretty early. So my job tonight is to put myself to sleep – usually with Nestle’s Quick – not to get into something deep.

            However, I will be responding to this as soon as I can. You make some very good points but again tonight I cannot afford to get too deep into anything. Thank you for this response, because of it I now must consider you a friend, especially today on the internet when if someone disagrees with you in their mind you are wasting valuable oxygen, or worse.

            Following the spirit we have started here, I do have some counterpoints to offer but will never try to convince you that you are wrong. Our viewpoints as humans are our right and are generated by our own experiences, and therefore cannot be wrong. So give me a day or two – four days off at beginning of the week – and keep one eye open for the response. I hope the other Matt doesn’t find this a waste of bandwidth. If the comments become closed I will find you on another article.

            Have a good weekend.

            Itta

          • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

            Thanks.

            Regarding “bandwidth”, there are two solutions to that: either click on my name to find another way to message me, or just don’t worry too much about explicating everything in any one thread — as you said, “on another article” things will come up again and we can go with it there.

            I find that when people talk, and discuss ideas, it actually opens up into a never-ending tree of agreements and disagreements, especially when they are talking constructively. The more we try to mutually agree and to give each other truths to share, the more things we find that need to be discussed before we can accomplish the goal. A job with one goal, becomes a job of two sub-goals, becomes a job of four or more sub-sub-goals, and so one. (But in the case of “an old married couple”, maybe they have finally gotten to know each other completely and there are few, rare unexplored branches of opinion.)

            I very much welcome the points you will give me regarding what I gave you above, privately or publicy. And then maybe we’ll leave the conversation stopped at that point. Life is full of things to do and there are a lot of people out there completely in the dark or only dimly enlightened and they need help, so at some point we’d be totally wasting valuable time to keep talking around the campfire together.

            I recently listened to Matt Staggs talk with Paul Levy. That, combined with your talk so far with me, has given me a lot of good ideas for getting people to unite to work to build something new and mutually beneficial.

        • Ittabena

          “Now is the time for people to feel threatened by the bad things, to get
          them busy trying to preserve the good things. If we refuse to go to war
          with each other over our formerly-sacred cows (taught to us by the
          left-right media paradigm), we can learn to stop fighting each other
          when we should be fighting the ones imposing these systems on us.”

          Exactly my point but let’s take it one step further. As a child I was raised Catholic and schooled in Catholic Schools all my life – don’t worry recovering nicely now. What it did was to show me as clearly as possible the hypocrisy of that Political Power posing as a Religion. But what it also did was to force me to investigate other religions, for decades.

          So what if the Eastern Religions are right and there is reincarnation and vibrations involved. What if Bill Hicks was right? When you boil it down there are really only two emotions; Love and Hate. Love has a very high vibrational rate while hate has a very low rate. What if it is paramount for us to be kept mired in the lower vibrational rate in order for this takeover to succeed?

          If it were not important, why would they try so relentlessly to keep us in fear and loathing? I mean it is one thing after another, ad nausea. I think we can all agree on this last point. The frequency and regularity of it alone raises huge red flags.

          I hate to write a term paper here, but a few years ago I was living in the foreign country of Mississippi. Very negative, and I was listening to Alex Jones, everything was going wrong. Couldn’t make enough money to pay the bills each month, a tree was pushed over onto my house by the first gust of a freak storm. My friend liked to say that if I didn’t have bad luck I would have no luck at all.

          A friend I had made there didn’t like the heat when it got to 75 so he moved back to Washington State. After a year of urging I followed him out there. What did I have to lose? (I also quit listening to Alex Jones!)

          My bad luck, and I did. I moved from one small town to another but at the new small town in WA my luck turned around 180 degrees. The difference? The attitude of the people around me and the attitude that it brought out in me. I wish I could tell you how dramatic and profound this change was. It was like someone had thrown a switch.

          After a 3000 mile trip with all my belongings packed into a sports car this was a life lesson that was hard to overlook. I have not been out of a job since i got here and wonderful things have happened as I visualize them.

          Matt, have you seen the film “The Secret”? If not you should give it a watch. I found the theory decades ago and it works but it is not as easy to do in a negative environment as it is in a positive one. But then again what is?

          Now I am not proselytizing for any New Age ideas, rather for very old ideas. It is also my belief that Religion, Science and magic are all one thing. And when we understand them correctly they will become one thing. I think we should call it “life”, but we had better hurry some!

          Your thoughts?

  • ww3

    shit is goin’ down!

  • ww3

    shit is goin’ down!

  • Alive Inside
  • Ittabena

    Fear and hate. Are we capable of only two emotions in this new century? Seems like those are the only ones we are “supposed” to feel.

    • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

      Re-examine 20th century history outside of the unicorn-skittles milquetoast version of it they teach in mainstream education and you will see it’s all par for the course of industrialization and oligarchical collectivism.

      Take a look at what the military has done in support of the financial markets and the prevailing big businesses to all the non-first world countries and you’ll understand what they’re about to do to the first world countries, and why.

      Hurry up and do it fast, before they censor the internet and turn it from a limited but decent research portal into a casino-entertainment-propaganda screen system like television. There isn’t much time left.

      “In such a wealth of information, why are [we] so poor?”

      • Ittabena

        “Re-examine 20th century history outside of the unicorn-skittles
        milquetoast version of it they teach in mainstream education and you
        will see it’s all par for the course of industrialization and
        oligarchical collectivism.”

        I’ve actually been doing that for 35+ years now. This is precisely what I do. My comment was meant as food for thought, especially since PrisonPlanet.com was linked in the comments. Was hoping to break the spell of hypnosis being cast by both sides in one or two individuals. it was supposed to make people think.

    • jnana

      Don’t get so discouraged. There are people who refuse to accept injustice. There are people who love their brothers and sisters unto death. And how many people smile at a young one’s laugh and would do all they can to preserve that.
      What is occurring is the logical outcome of the collective mindset. Materialism, capitalism, and other such selfish creeds. The disease was hidden for so long, but was always there. Now it can’t be denied that we are sick. That’s a good thing, though because now we can take the steps to be cured. Problem now is, the doctors are nothing more than con-artists.

      • Ittabena

        I did not mean to indicate I was discouraged. in fact if you see my looooong response to Matt Prather below you will see that I am pretty much in agreement with you.

        I am actually one of the least discouraged people on the planet right now.

        Besides, as Bill Hicks said, “It’s just a ride”

  • “Big” Richard Johnson

    Excellent. Things are proceeding as planned.

  • InfvoCuernos

    I’m hearing about this happening in Texas and in Los Angeles also. I will try to find links on those. This is obvious intimidation just like the 24 hour drone buzzing going on in Pakistan and other places now. I wonder if they told the crews of those copters that they were loaded with live ammo. This is a dry run for some rotten ass shit here.

    • Apathesis

      Yeah, did you read about Houston? Running ops on a school campus?

  • BuzzCoastin

    Uncle Homeland Security
    To Serve & Protect Our Baser Instincts

    God Blush Amerika

  • http://www.facebook.com/johnny.sparks.1612 Johnny Sparks

    No,,HELL NO..and No way,,is this right,,Military playing War games in downtown any where in the united states is just plain wrong,, sometimes those choppers go down,,and flying that low doing evasive tactics
    is dangerous by every standard we are made to follow as citizens,,,now if they are trying to intimidate us
    that is a good way to do it. they didn’t even tell everybody it was happening,,,our military must be sending us a message,,if we stand for our freedom and rights and justice..we will suffer,,,that is wrong as it can be
    this is another sign we live in a military dictatorship..cut and dry it is clear,,get ready for Marshall law you little sheep..coming to a town near you..soon…god damn it..

  • http://www.facebook.com/johnny.sparks.1612 Johnny Sparks

    America is in big trouble,,if our military we pay for and support with our kids lives,,can train our children to kill us,,god help us now.. what have we done or not done to deserve this treason..call every representative you can find and burn him or her a new asshole.. hard,,and fast,,not much time left now..

  • MoralDrift

    This is truly disgusting

  • Raz

    Problably they are training in case of some uprising from their own people.

  • Apathesis

    Dear America, how do you reich your freedom?

    Seriously, what the funk is going on in this country? Why is this getting little to no press and why the hell aren’t more people ticked?

    • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

      In essence, it’s not much different than what happened at Waco.

      Even though I am critical of the blame-the-victim mentality of people who want to try to pretend that what happened there was all the fault of a sicko cult leader and his sicko cult members, that’s a non-material issue. I could be critical of the cult, and there was plenty to be rightly critical of. But it’s immaterial to the greater significance.

      What happened at Waco is this. Federal agencies completely over-stepped all lines of legal and ethical behavior and straight-up murdered them. The main-stream media waved their magic wand and sold the story to the public that nothing that bad happened, really, and it was the crazy anti-federal government’s fault anyway.

      As Bill Hicks said of Waco:

      We’ll say any lie we want over our propaganda machine — the mainstream media — and we’ll burn you and your children in your fuckin’ homes. So you just be apathetic, America. You stay docile. And don’t you ever forget: you’re free — to do what we tell you.

      It’s the great and terrifying power of the media to manufacture reality. It’s kept most of us blind to the truth 365 days a year for a long time. People follow what the media tells them. The media could tell them that the Emperor is wearing a suit made of a fine material that only wise men can see — fools won’t be able to see it. And even if the Emperor was naked, the instinct of the masses would be to pretend they saw something, and to chastise the ones who say there’s nothing there.

      • Apathesis

        Totally agree. It was more of a hypothetical question, but I asked so I would get quality responses, so thank you.

        The actions by the ATF and the FBI were despicable, but I guess it’s okay to kill dozens of innocent kids as long as you kill the alleged rapist cult leader too. Yet, people still think Clinton was the best president in recent memory and forget about what a cunt Janet Reno was. Disgusting. Did you know that our VP Joe Biden CONDONED the ATF and the FBI’s actions?

        RIP Bill Hicks. A true sage.

        It’s really frustrating to be surrounded by the imbeciles of the apathetic masses. No one in my family cares. People on Facebook certainly don’t care. Most of my friends don’t care. I just hope they don’t expect me to care about them when the ship goes belly up because they made excuses for a corrupt government which didn’t have their best interests in mind.

  • Apathesis

    So this is why they want to ban civilian ownership of scary rifles!

  • Harry

    This is some scary shit.

  • Apathesis

    Anyone interested in seeing how people on shooting forums are reacting to this news?

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