A Look At Oath Keepers Preparing For Revolution

A fair look at those who believe that societal collapse may be immanent? This VICE piece features perspective on conspiracy theorism and the breakdown of the American Dream from several angles, including Alex Jones and Chris Hedges:

Traveling from Texas to Massachusetts, VICE investigates whether the country is actually on the verge of the 2nd Revolutionary War.

The Department of Homeland Security classifies them as potential “domestic terrorists”; they prefer to be called patriots. As the economic crisis deepens, a growing movement of Americans is rejecting the two-party system and the mainstream media. They believe a violent revolution is imminent, and they’re getting ready for it now. We meet Sgt. Charles Dyer, a U.S. Marine who has taken an oath to disobey unconstitutional orders and take up arms against the government if it becomes tyrannical — and is training a citizen militia to do the same.

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  • Ittabena

    Big fan of the Oathkeepers since my father was a cop and a Marine, but they would do better not to align themselves with AJ. Sgt. Dyer said he has been awake for about a year. It took me longer to see Alex for what he truly is; the other side of the coin of Glen Beck. They are public handlers, entertainers and spin doctors. Neither one can or will investigate and report in an unbiased way. My jury is still out in Mr. Hedges.

  • charlieprimero

    Anyone who supports human freedom must be a militaristic gun nut militia member, sad old Teabagger, or Alex Jones nutter; …according this this video.

    • mannyfurious

      Well all of the aforementioned have done a good job of convincing people as such. Look at the success of Libertarian ideology on a group of people who should otherwise be able to to poke through the holes of that kind of “logic.”

      • charlieprimero

        You don’t understand 1.) how convincing works, and 2.) who is doing it, and 3.) why they really do it. You will someday if you repeat the practice of deconstructing narratives to see how they work.

        • mannyfurious

          I think I do know all of that. I guess I just find it hard to believe–still, after all these years– that it’s that easy.

  • Number Two

    “Nationalism is an infantile disease.” – Albert Einstein

  • echar

    From my perspective, adhering to absolutes can have the potential of instability.

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      To rigid and you break, to soft and you get crushed.

  • Andrew

    I believe that societal collapse may be immanent, which I guess makes me a nutcase. But anyone who plans revolution against the US government needs to be aware that the US military is the largest organization on the planet, and of all the crowd control devices they’ve developed and given to the police. An armed, violent revolution by the American people would be put down within a month.

    • Apathesis

      That’s assuming the guerrillas wouldn’t receive international support. I have a feeling nations would be willing to lend a hand should the rebels not be comprised solely of Dixie-waving crackers.

      • mannyfurious

        China would back the U.S. government, not the Guerrillas. That is all you really need to know to see how far a “revolution” would go.

        • Apathesis

          That is true considering the Chinese want to collect on those IOUs. Drats.

  • Mud

    Consider that recently Americans bought enough Guns and Ammo to equip the Indian and Chinese Army’s combined and soon the might of the Armed Forces doesn’t look so intimidating. When one considers that a poorly equipped 3% of the colonies fought off the worlds greatest superpower at the time and the task does not seem daunting. Might does not make right and a ragged bunch of Americans fighting the Moral fight can prevail. Right now more soldiers die from suicide than combat. That’s not a morally superior force by any definition its one torn apart by knowing they are not in the moral position killing innocents for the corporate banksters and their puppets. Our military is composed of human beings and I believe for the most part the majority will walk away or join the other side if the murderers in power decide to turn them on us. We veterans swore and oath to the principles enshrined in the founding documents not to a flag or a group of elite psychopaths. Anyone that is intimidated has already resigned themselves to a future of Debt Slavery and constant control. Our children deserve better.

    • InfvoCuernos

      Also, remember that money will be a driving force. If we look to the last big “rebellion”-the US Civil War- the south didn’t have the industry to keep up with the north. This time around, the firearms industry will by necessity support an uprising out of self preservation. I also agree that a large portion of the armed forces and police will join with the insurrection, as long as they aren’t individually attacked outright. All that is supposing that all this hasn’t just been a ruse to sell more guns in the first place..

      • Andrew

        I still think a general strike would be more effective. The elites only have power because we’ve given ours to them.

        • mannyfurious

          Very true. The best revolution would be to not count their dollar as our dollar. If we aim our collective imagination into valuing something other than what the Federal Reserve prints, then we could really have ourselves a revolution, perhaps.

      • mannyfurious

        I honestly believe this is a ruse to sell more guns. The gun manufacturers must love Obama. He’s their best salesman and it’s not even close.

        With that said, I think you underestimate how many people would side with the “insurrection.” People have been indoctrinated since birth to hate our government and love our country and that they are one in the same. It’s damn ingenious, if you ask me.

        • InfvoCuernos

          I’m not underestimating the number of revolutionaries ready to join a war in progress. As a matter of fact, I think that the number of people ready to dance is probably pretty high, we just need the music to start. The real problem is that the right wingers and the left wingers both think the other guy is the problem, and neither is willing to consider any middle ground. IMO this situation is ripe for exactly the kind of ops the US has caused and manipulated in Asia and the Middle East for decades. A revolt in the US will be very sectarian, and there will be no shortage of supplies or advisers from other countries(China would be foolish not to get involved).

          • mannyfurious

            Ummm… No. None of that is true. First of all, you know all of those people who own iPhones and iPads and watch reality television and own mortgages and two cars and two dogs, who they give names like “Sheeba” and “Gunner” and “Jax” and watch shows like Modern Family and Mad Men and play golf and root for the Lakers and only go to a baseball game when the Red Sox are in town and watch Sports Center after a long Saturday afternoon of completing “DIY” projects around the house and have friends with names like “Kyle” and “Trent” and “Todd” who are all married to women with names like “Jenn” and “Bree” and “Brittany” and they all get together on the weekends to drink micro-brew beers and discuss how the SEC is the only real football conference in College football and they all own accounts on twitter and follow lame comedians like Dane Cook and eat lunch every other day at McDonald’s even though they know it’s bad for them and then they buy workout equipment like “The Rack” or bowflex’s walking machine, instead of like going for a walk outside even though they hike on the weekends and go mountain biking and shit solely because they like spending money on the stupid shit that makes them look like idiots when they go for their bike rides and when they have kids they name them bland mean-nothing names like “Jack” and “Mikayla.”

            You know those people? Those are “most people.” Most people are not the people you meet on Disinfo and most people are not interested in revolution.

            Sure, many poor people would probably be at least interested in talking about revolution, but then you’ve gotta hope that the poor blacks and poor Hispanics and poor white folks can stand each other long enough to get something off the ground or that various kinds of power grabs aren’t going to be made by naturally ambitious poor people, like the leader of the local chapter of the “Bloods” or you town’s neighborhood “Bandido” biker gang.

            Now, assuming all of that goes well and doesn’t happen, you’ve gotta be hoping that the U.S. government hasn’t caught on to what’s going on because there’s this whole NDAA thing that allows the government to throw you in a whole for the rest of your life without any due process as long as they suspect you’re involved with terrorist groups. So as you’re rounding up all the poor people–who, let’s not forget, are poor and therefore lack most of the necessary resources to actually win wars the way they are really won: with money (marketing, propaganda, contractors, etc.)– the FBI gets wind of what’s going on. At first they think you’re just a kook, but, assuming all goes as planned, they soon find out that you’re actually putting together a small group of insurgents. Well, they can’t just let something like that happen, so they grab you and your initial group of rebels in the middle of the night while half your team is getting high off whatever new drug it is that leads to enlightenment (because, let’s be honest, it’s that type of person who’s going to be most likely to be attracted to your little movement in the first place) and they throw you all in a shitty little prison in some third-world country and torture from time to time for “practice.”

            Let us also not forget that many who are indeed ready for a revolution are not interested in violent revolution. In actuality, most are not. That was what was so attractive about the Occupy movement to these people. The Occupy movement brought with it not a fragment of the risk a full-blown revolution will bring and look how hard it was to get most people involved with that thing. If Occupy was unable to get people on board, what makes you think people are frothing at the mouth for violent revolution?

            Hint: They are not.

            Moreover, you are hysterically deluded if you honestly believe things in this country are at all similar to what has gone on in “Asia and the Middle East for decades.” Those people didn’t have all the things I mentioned in my first paragraph. People in fucking Syria aren’t fucking distracted by football games and Call of Duty Black OPS and Simon fucking Cowell. Most of those people were ready for some kind of change, because, guess what, there was nothing to distract them from their misery, and that’s precisely what makes America America. We have a never-ending shit-pile of things to distract us from our misery. Oh, and they didn’t have a stable fucking government that has an entire multi-billion dollar military-industrial complex at its disposal. Oops! Funny how we keep forgetting that one little fact. That’s a major fucking difference between the U.S. and every other country on the planet.

            And finally, yes, China would be foolish to not get involved because guess what: they’re economy is entirely dependent on our economy. So guess where their interests would lie? With the fucking government who owes them A TRILLION MOTHERFUCKING DOLLARS. As the U.S. goes, so goes China. So, even if your little group of insurgents somehow defies the astronomical odds against them, there is absolutely no way it can do so with both the U.S. government and the Chinese government coming after you.

            The fact remains that violent revolution in this country–instigated from the inside– is not plausible. If we really want to change things, it will take a psychological change, not a physically violent one. Yes, having people realize just how vapid their lives are in this country, and how they’re being manipulated and controlled for the benefit of the very few, is almost as far-fetched as violent “revolution,” but it’s still more likely, in my opinion, than the alternative.

          • InfvoCuernos

            Too big to fail? LOL You sure do go the long way around an argument that isn’t really there. Take a closer look at what is said before you try to shout me down with another dissertation. I said that there would be plenty “people ready to join a war in progress”. In progress is the key. BTW, I have been to Asia and the Middle East and they usually have the newest games before we do, thanks to piracy. Not everyone in the Middle East is farming with donkeys and gathering around a village tv. Facebook and other internet social media were very critical to the Arab Spring. Try not to take this personally, but your argument above contradicts your statement from above that when you accused me of underestimating the number of people that would side with the insurgents. Are you going to tell me to plant some gardens or coach little league now?

          • mannyfurious

            Too big to fail? No, just too powerful and too smart. They have the vast majority of the population completely complacent. Any claim otherwise is either coming from someone who is delusional or in denial.

            I agree with what you say about the middle east. There is civilization there, but it’s not the same thing as here. There is no SEC football conference, for one thing.

            I’m into personal liberties, so I wouldn’t tell you to do anything you didn’t want to do. But, sure, I can guarantee you’d have more success coaching baseball than you would igniting a revolution.

          • Apathesis

            Bravo, sir. Surprised no one voted your post up.

          • mannyfurious

            A lot of people on disinfo don’t like to be told that the revolution is not nigh.

          • Apathesis

            You should have seen the bullshit I saw “liberal” cops write on Facebook about how the UC Davis protesters who were pepper sprayed by police for refusing to move away DESERVED it. As if unarmed civilians sitting on the ground blocking police were really scary.

            A quick scan of YouTube comments on any Occupy video involving police and violence provides great insight into how far away from revolution we are. It’s scary that people condone–to great degree–the use of force by well-armed authorities.

          • mannyfurious

            Yeah, that’s a great point, actually. The vast majority of people just want some semblance of order and stability. That’s part of why it was difficult to really get more people involved with Occupy. Too many people–even if they basically agreed with Occupy’s quarrel’s– were annoyed that somebody was causing trouble.

            I think it’s easy to isolate ourselves and read books, visit websites and interact with people that support our worldview. If we’re interested in revolution, we’ll visit websites and read books that we feel support our interest. Then we begin to think that what we feel is the truth, instead of just a byproduct of isolation ourselves and our ideas. The reality is that most people don’t share in our viewpoint (that is, unless, of course, we’re part of the genuine “main stream” of this country). I mean, check out the white supremacy movement. That’s a very, very small group of people and yet all of them are absolutely convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the inevitable race war is going to happen any day now. Go check out their message boards. It’s hysterical. They say similar things as infocuervos here. “There are millions of whites who would totally join in once the battle begins.” Bullshit. Most people just want to be left alone.

          • Apathesis

            I felt the energy behind the Occupy movement was great, but it lacked focus. I wish I had taken time off then to see what was really going on with the movement to get a better picture. Unfortunately, I had pissed away all my vacation time well before then.

            I come here because there are people here who share similar concerns and interests with me. In my personal life, I am incredibly jaded and alone and have been for as long as I can remember. But having two different worlds to interact with helps me place my finger on the pulse of this nation more accurately.

            Stormfront, VNN,etc. Scary reading over there… You don’t even have to go to Stormfront, though. Quite a few porn sites that allow comments on videos have pages and pages of racist diatribes against blacks. Who the hell is watching interracial porn just to be racist?

            You’re right, though. People talk a big game, whether they’re racists or political radicals, but they really just want to be left alone. I know I’d rather be left alone than being forced to engage in violence to protect myself and those I care about.

    • Andrew

      You think morality can win a war?

      Oh dear…

      • Calypso_1

        The abscence of it can be a deciding factor as long as you don’t get caught.

  • BuzzCoastin

    Lao Tzu became disturbed by the corruption he saw everywhere around him and decided to take the easy way out- literally, and leave the country. He traveled west on a water buffalo to reach the great desert. At the westernmost gate, a guard who recognized him, demanded that he write down his teachings, unrecorded until this point. The collected teachings became the Tao Te Ching.

  • IokSotot

    From where I’m sitting it looks like Chris Hedges and Alex Jones agree on a hell of a lot more than they disagree.

  • 5by5

    Oh look! More scared stupid white people! Seriously, relax your crack.

  • Jin The Ninja

    it’s also a secular religion that inspires horrifically violent responses.

  • Raymond ‘Wolf’ Ritzmann

    So, did Charles Dyer record this before or after raping that 7 year old child?

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