Was Terence McKenna a CIA plant?

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I love Terence McKenna, but thanks to the detective work of  controversial author and gnosticmedia.com founder Jan Irvin, I’m wondering if the late author was worthy of my trust.

Irvin has unearthed a government document that he claims may implicate McKenna as a (gasp!) Central Intelligence Agency plant. Download the document and decide for yourself. Jan has the brass balls to refer to Mckenna as a “Useful idiot”, but what use would he have been to the CIA? McKenna has been useful to me: I can think of few others who have so wonderfully allowed my own personal explorations in spirituality to bloom, but how could the kind of personal transformation espoused by McKenna possibly benefit the intelligence community?

Any thoughts on this?  Is this proof to you, my fellow Disinfonauts?

Gabriel D. Roberts is the author of Riding The Fine Line and the forthcoming book, Born Again To Rebirth.

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  • Parker

    How dare you

  • http://twitter.com/raychristlTHC ray christl

    You trust Jan Irwin ???

    • http://www.facebook.com/Gabrieldroberts Gabriel Roberts

      No, I don’t. But I’ve observed his interactions with other in the psychedelic community and wanted to hear him out, so I listened to his video and read the document. I passed it along so people could decide for themselves. It looks like the document says ZERO and that’s likely to be how much CIA affiliation McKenna had.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daphne-Graves/100000135289071 Daphne Graves

    I love Terence McKenna

  • Brian P Akers

    I repeatedly find that attempts towards an open discussion on Mckenna’s contribution to society, at large, is often tainted by an unquestioning adherence to a ‘group policy’ dictated by a hard core of ‘loyal fans’ who would wish not to consider certain, less ingratiating, motives evident from (but not unique to) his highness. When is a messiah not a messiah?

    I’m sure that the ‘white knights’ of the ‘mckenna-noosphere’ will surely claim ignorance of this fact and yet will feel compulsed to defend their late (not so great?) master in chief’s reputation yet again…

    As I type I can sense the distant rumbling of approaching hooves… I’m sure that I will be ‘set right’ about the issue in hand. A misinterpretation on my part of course…

    • http://2012diaries.blogspot.com/ tristan eldritch

      It might help if you could specify what “less ingratiating” motives you’re referring to. If the half-baked CIA thing is all that’s on offer, then there really isn’t anything to defend. What else?

      • tardnarc

        you are apparently unfamiliar with mr. akers’ research, jan irvin’s research (which extends far past the admittedly inconclusive image of the letter that started this brouhaha) and the recentish admission by dennis mckenna that terence stopped taking mushrooms at the same time that he was advising others to do “heroic” doses

        i think jan’s case is tenuous at best, and i don’t agree with all of mr. akers’ points, but there’s a lot of information out there if you just look for it. would you like some links to help get you started?

  • Revolutionary7G

    The document proves nothing more than the CIA had information relating to McKenna. The CIA was most likely keeping tabs on him. To assume McKenna was a CIA plant based on this goofy receipt document is ridiculous.

    • valisopticus23

      Not to mention mckenna was wanted for a while in i think 1970 for smuggling hashish. And he was apparently selling loads of LSD in the 90′s. Not to mention probably supplying mushrooms to many.

      • tardnarc

        yes, because the cia never sells drugs

    • BrianApocalypse

      Actually, it doesn’t even prove that. I saw this story yesterday and thought blah blah, seen it all before, and didn’t bother to look at the document… But I just read it and was amazed at the total lack of substance contained within. It’s remarkable that Irvin’s wishful thinking and ego can twist what amounts to little more than a piece of paper with “THERE IS NOTHING HERE” written on it and use it as evidence of conspiracy.

      The document essentially says the CIA has no information on McKenna, and the rest of it appears to be standard FOIA response language to legally cover the CIA’s ass within any context. You would probably also see the same text in a request for information on anyone.

    • lazy_friend

      I don’t think McKenna was a double agent, he is just too brilliant at times to a fake, but he could very well have been. So be careful whose information you follow, test it first and question everything. Plus he looks like an older version of me. Unusual teeth, hair color and style, height , everything, its creepy. Cosmic Doppelganger.

    • Mond Katze

      A NWO revolutionry are you Bertrand Russell (nwo cia)? ahahaha! haha!

      Dear God have mercy, if I laugh anymore I might vomit.

  • HanShan Tempel

    Perhaps Jan Irvin is the useful idiot and the spooks are planting the seeds of mistrust. Or perhaps Terence McKenna is the coolest most turned on agent ever. MAYBE should be the operative word here, my fellow veterans of Operation Mindfuck.

  • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    The World is much more of a big clusterfuck than any elegant conspiracy theory. Here is an author that has influenced my thoughts on Power:

    http://zinelibrary.info/files/nomadology_read.pdf

    He sees the State and what he calls “the War Machine” as separate entities that represent two poles of power that kind of work against each other and together at the same time. I have come to look at the CIA as being part of the War machine as opposed to the State. So you get hippies and Bohemians, artists, visionaries, revolutionary thinkers, anarchists caught up in the War machine. Because the War machine is all about chaos and creative destruction.

    The State is about order. So the CIA is associated with a lot of subversive movements. Because that is what they do. They subvert things. Governments, regimes, paradigms.The State is more about stultifying things, preserving the Status quo. The Genius of Capitalism is getting these two contradictory forces to work together as part of the same system.

    So I wouldn’t be surprised if he was mixed up in it. It doesn’t mean he was a phony or insincere about his ideas.

    • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

      The State is about order. So the CIA is associated with a lot of subversive movements. Because that is what they do. They subvert things. Governments, regimes, paradigms.The State is more about stultifying things, preserving the Status quo. The Genius of Capitalism is getting these two contradictory forces to work together as part of the same system.

      So I wouldn’t be surprised if he was mixed up in it. It doesn’t mean he was a phony or insincere about his ideas.

      Exactly. Masters of the dialectic. The true conspiracy.

      I’d say there’s almost no way in hell, on earth, or both at the same time, that the CIA could have master-planned and engineered McKenna out of whole cloth, and few people if any here would think that.

      And it’s a self-damaging mistake on Jan Irvin’s part to try to paint McKenna with the CIA-”plant” brush based on the cited document (I strongly dislike the Alex Jones School of Rhetoric that willfully makes false statements based on insufficient evidence but pander$$$ to the audience and sells conspira-tainment).

      And yet, it is quite wise to remain open to the possibility that he was “mixed up” (himself subverted, or subversive himself).

      And to keep in mind, as others have said here, that they might have files on him which were purely for the purpose of watching a counter-mainstream mind and personality. Keeping tabs. Thus the CIA could have files and he was not subverted by them at all.

      And finally, that we can tell him the fruits he has left us, and the products of his mind and philosophy. Are they subversive? Was he being phony or insincere there? Was he propagating ideas at the behest of “the CIA”? It’s in studying his work that one would find evidence of conspiracy. I haven’t studied him past the Wikipedia page. But I gather from many other people here that his ideas are genuinely his own and have been well-received by people who tend to be self-defensive against propaganda.

      So, yeah, that’s it. “What you said”. You said it all. I just repeated it. But I swear that’s because I think it myself, not because I’m a fawning repeater.

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        I think over time you start to get a sense of things. Plus I’ve met people in the CIA.

  • zombieslapper

    I’m not convinced. Sounds like this dude has a grudge against McKenna. I just don’t see what purpose he would serve…

    What I dislike is how McKenna’s fan club (settle down, I’ve read his books) tries to dictate to the psychedelic community what a “proper” trip should be like and what a person should take away from the experience.

    • disqus_e1mLbNyAA6

      Warning: The way McKenna’s fans behave might not always reflect McKenna’s ideas and philosophies. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    I wouldn’t be surprised, but that receipt doesn’t say anything.

  • Fusionism

    “Our processing included a search for records that would reveal an openly acknowledged Agency affiliation existing up to and including the date the Agency started its search and did not locate any responsive records.”

    um am I missing something here?

    Jan’s general attitude is that of a pompous know-it-all and frankly any good he hopes to achieve (and there is no doubt a lot of truth to what he talks about) is outweighed by his demeaning nature towards others with differing ideas or beliefs. “If only you were as smart as me and knew how to decipher logic and rhetoric you too would know this guy is an moron…and seeing you clearly don’t you too are a moron…” For me being open is the first step towards finding truth and it is almost always not of the black and white variety.

    For the record I find Terence’s work highly entertaining, thought provoking and interesting. Do I think he had all the answers no. Do I think he thought he did? No, definitely not. Is it worth pondering the extent to which psychedelics have had an affect on human evolution, absolutely.

    Who would I rather have a beer/joint/etc etc with, Jan or Terence? Hands down, Terence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.norton.733 Richard Norton

    I don’t know if he was or not, but my advice would be to get away from the drugs if you can. They push you too far too fast, and tend make a mess of the psyche. Natural is best and more real in the long run. Osho said psychedelics make you bored with ordinary life, and it is ordinary life that needs to be transformed.

    • Ceausescu

      I agree with you. Natural is best.
      Cannabis, Psilocybin Mushrooms, Ayahuasca are all natural and real.

      Period.

    • tardnarc

      if osho said it, it must be true!

      • imAwildman

        hahahahaha

    • imAwildman

      Osho, aka. Chandra Mohan Jain, aka. Acharya Rajneesh, aka. Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh was a valium addict and based many of his teachings on the human potential movement straight out of the Esalen Institute which was founded by Aldous Huxley. He was a guru conman who mixed esoteric spirituality and mind control techniques. His ashram in India describes itself as the Esalen of the east.

  • Lindenberg Munroe

    I just discovered Terence Mckenna a few months ago and was absolutely astonished by is provocative and hypnotizing voice, with many insights. This dude was proper clever, and I think he has left many key issues for us to talk about. He wasn’t right about everything and this can only be good, after all we as human do not have the answer for everything.

    Supposing that he was phony, or had any sort of connection with CIA in a direct or indirect why, that wouldn’t and shouldn’t take way the fact that many ideas he had made great sense. So this is not about the man itself, but ultimately about what he brings to the table. He’s dead, but his ideas are going around peoples mind, therefore that is what matters. Saying that Shakespeare didn’t write about Othello, Hamlet does not diminish in any sense the genuises of those works, because it’s not about who creates, but what is left. We need to refocus on what man said and not man itself.

    • tardnarc

      “hypnotizing”

      hmm

  • Brian P Akers

    It’s already obvious that the unquestioning few have already conveyed
    their intention to re-frame the initial argument. Quel surprise. Cue the
    usual stream of ad nauseum, annectodotal, eulogies dedicated to the “All means justify my
    goals” meme. (yawn).

    • valisopticus23

      Oh look, theres B P Akers once again stalking everything that is McKenna with his incessant dickheadedness. Please at least spare us another display of your case of chronic logorrhea for the love of pete

      • tardnarc

        wouldn’t “chronic logorrhea” be a better description of mckenna’s output, esp. given the facts that:

        (a) he smoked tonz of da chronic

        and

        (b) that he claimed to be a “mouthpiece for the incarnate logos”?

      • imAwildman

        Ad hominem attack.

    • tardnarc

      brian: i very much enjoyed yr article on “the stoned ape” hypothesis, and while i do not agree with you on all yr points, i do think that you are right that terence mckenna’s reputation as a serious intellectual is undeserved. please keep up the good work!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

    I think this idea gives too much credit to the ‘intelligence’ of the CIA and its operatives therein.

  • BuzzCoastin

    If Terrence was CIA,
    he’d have been the most competent & intelligent member of that ungodly horde of thugs.
    Plus, he probably had more influence upon those handling/tracking him
    than they had upon him.

    Terence McKenna – Psychedelic Curve Ball
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0LeGYEtinw

  • NathanSpeller

    Wow that document is a whole lot of nothin’. Seriously for the most part us disinfonauts, if anything, enjoy parsing info, so bring something a little meatier to the table if you’re gonna lay it on so thick Mr. Irwin. CIA keeps tabs on many cultural icons. I feel Terrence was an original independent thinker if nothing else, but of course, the best agents don’t know they are agents.

  • Dickvanballsack

    Yeah, and if you believe that, Jan has a $400 workshop you can attend where he can give you even more insights.

    There is SOME truth in what Jan says, but he doesn’t know anything more than you do. Draw your own conclusion.

  • http://twitter.com/TheConspiracyHQ Conspiracy HQ

    If you were a CIA operative to sending information to the “agency” on unsuspecting psychonaughts and you were about to be uncovered, what would you do?

    My guess is you would point to the major guru of truth and enlightening and call him a CIA operative.

    OR

    Some one is jealous that he hasn’t yet achieved the following that McKenna still has after his death.

    Either way, there isn’t anything here.

  • cakey pig

    I like to think Terence was a plant too – a beautiful and unusually coloured orchid… or maybe a little mushroom…

    • http://www.teamdave.com/ teamdave™

      he actually was a plant earlier on in his life, but he quickly grew into a tree shortly after… the tree of knowledge

      • tardnarc

        hero worship much?

    • tardnarc

      mushrooms aren’t plants

  • Gad The Father

    you might as well say hallucinogenic plants are CIA plants hurrrr

  • damnadamzama

    This is stupid and ignorant.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Gabrieldroberts Gabriel Roberts

      Which part? Posting the document, or the fact that somebody would post the document and argue it as proof that McKenna had DIA ties. If nothing else, it’s entertaining to get everyone’s take after they’ve given it a look. Cheers!

    • tardnarc

      self-reference ftw

  • echar

    I have proof that I do not care what Jan Irvin thinks.

  • echar

    also I have proof that Jan Irvin may be a CIA plant

  • http://2012diaries.blogspot.com/ tristan eldritch

    Sheer bullshit. It’s becoming increasingly popular among conspiranoids to think that the WHOLE counterculture was start to finish a CIA op. The logic behind this amounts to 1) The counterculture was interested in psychedelic drugs, and 2) the CIA were interested in psychedelic drugs, and 3) other, um, stuff. Grow up, you goons! Terence McKenna wasn’t CIA. Neither was Tim Leary. The effin Laural Canyon music scene wasn’t a CIA psyop. You guys are the ultimate Useful Idiots, distracting people from real conspiracies with this join the dots bullshit.

  • http://twitter.com/radiorev radioreview.us

    They probably would like to keep the identity of someone who knew him well and was an informant a secret.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

    Organically grown, preferably outside in the sunshine.

  • disqus_dUVbMpL8or

    maybe someone in the cia was looking at researchers who were doing research similar to McKenna’s. I think Jan Irvin should be considered a possible plant do to the fact he is accusing others. in this modern day reality everything is up for grabs and anyone could be a disinfo agent. I think the intelligence agency would have more to gain by calling McKenna a cia plant, releasing phony doncuments and people like Jan irvin in to circulation. Terrence Mckenna left a great contribution and i always assumed he was murdered for it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/siaabd Sia Abderezai

    Well, apart from congratulating you on getting so many comments… This is the shittiest excuse for “reporting” “journalism” and or “writing” in general I have come to across all day… And I have read 3 other disinformation posts today. wtf have the aggregators been drinking the past few weeks? the shit is starting to become EXCEPTIONALLY stupid. I don’t wanna unsubscribe but damn man.

    • Matt Staggs

      Sia, if you’re interested in contributing your own writing then I encourage you to email me. I’ll set you up with an account. I’m am matt@disinfo.com. Otherwise, shove off. You’re adding nothing to the conversation here beyond your own dubious criticism of the writing ability of our contributors, and I won’t have it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=651217112 Paul Stella

    Who knows, Gabriel Roberts could be sending all of our names to the CIA who comment on this post… Oh shi-

    • http://www.facebook.com/Gabrieldroberts Gabriel Roberts

      I would never do that to you Paul. I’m a kind hearted-person.

    • Matt Staggs

      That’s my job. (Joke!)

  • Antediluviancurrent

    One of his other arguments, on his website, is that McKenna fled from Interpol and the FBI abroad and then all of the sudden wasn’t worried anymore to return to Berkeley. And when he asks his brother Dennis about it, he’s surprised he doesn’t wanna address all his weird suspicions: “He won’t address the evidence and will only name call. I’ve tried several times. First he’ll call me crazy, then he’ll group you in that category with me, and then he’ll appeal to ridicule and name call. It’s the same techniques every time.”
    Maybe they dropped the charges? The whole thing with Irvin is that he thinks an undocumented situation must imply a conspiracy. And knowing someone already makes you part of the plot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bob.plissken.39 Robert Plissken

    This document actually says nothing at all. I read it many times. And even if I’m missing some part of the language there, there is no actual ‘evidence’ there saying Terence Mckenna (with his social security number or some other verifiable identification), the one WE know has anything to do with anything. “CIA Plant” is not on there, nor is any such statement which reads: “Terence Mckenna, Mushroom guru, worked for the CIA.” My question is actually, who the hell is this Jan Irvin, and who the hell photocopies shit, and THEN scans that to put on the internet? Eh, I have a lot of stuff to disagree with Mckenna on, but he had some interesting ideas, as do hundreds of other authors who aren’t always right about everything. I’ve seen a lot of crap about Terence Mckenna’s “secret life” on the internet this year, all sort of second hand circumstantial hearsay from people who passed him in the hall, and saw him at some new age conference, or who ‘heard’ somebody say this or that. The dude himself always said his ideas were weird and that he probably wasn’t right about everything, and he also said anybody who claims to be %100 right is a loon. Listen to Mckenna’s lectures, you hear more than charm and wit, you hear sincerity and self deprecation, you hear self mockery and self questioning, you hear humor, and a cackling self-cajoling about it all, he’s said time and again about how he ‘doesn’t know,’ but honestly, “I’m just asking you to consider this to see where it goes because I think it’s important.” Carl Sagan smoked pot, so does that mean everything he said was a lie? Huh? Really? He was an author, he had some ideas, talked about them, where in all of this suggests some conspiracy and the CIA? I would expected this from Alex Jones or Fox News, there’s simply nothing here to indicate a damn thing about anything. You want to ‘discredit’ Mckenna? How do you do that exactly, he took a ton of drugs, that’s already enough for most people in the whole world to discredit him. Why would anybody be afraid of anything he said, especially considering this fact? Mckenna is one of the most fascinating people you’ll ever read or listen to, and I don’t see a shred of anything sinister about him whatsoever. I don’t even get why anybody would!

    • http://www.facebook.com/Gabrieldroberts Gabriel Roberts

      I agree.

  • Martin

    If anyone was to read the document, it states that it could not find any records to match his specific request and the agency can neither confirm nor deny if any related (i.e., tertiary and not directly related) documents exist. I this this guy is an idiot, and not very useful.

  • http://www.facebook.com/damir.majstorovic1 Damir Majstorović

    ahahahaha,without CIA nothing can pass….mentors from CIA are something we can not AVOID… and what is with David Icke?who protects him?I got bad feeling that he does good advertising for pedophiles and other fuck-ups satanist and rest of shit,or he want to make clear to us-WE DO THINGS AND YOU CANT DO NOTHING ABOUT-cause like all those pedophiles are dead and never investigated but we know what they do and thats it..

  • Herp Derp McGurt

    I remember him talking about this on Aeon Byte awhile ago. Dude came off ranting as a raving lunatic whining about his opponents being “coincidence theorists” and how things would just make sense if we looked at everything he was saying through the “trivium” method. I almost feel bad for the guy he was trying so hard.

  • Apathesis

    Disinfo on Disinfo. How apropos.

  • omnisquid

    So what about Irvins “proof” about Wasson and Huxley? I’ve heard some of his arguments about Huxley but I find them really far fetched and his research kind of based on hear/say … And well Wasson was a wall street banker before he went to Oaxaca … but still… Any thoughts anyone?

  • omnisquid

    I agree with most people here – saying that McKenna was CIA is like calling a mushroom a cop! But I think It’s more interesting what Jan Irvin is saying about Gordon Wasson and Aldous Huxley… … Irvins arguments about the new age movement and the psychedelic counterculture are not new and have been expounded for years by different NWO-theorist like for instance Bill Cooper. Could we maybe have a discussion about these arguments instead? And maybe eventually get some facts on the table…

  • Monkey See Monkey Do

    Nice sarcasm Gabriel.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Gabrieldroberts Gabriel Roberts

      I have to agree with your first comment. I had a hard time sitting through his video in which he hinted with a chuckle that he was the one who started the 2012 meme. In other parts of his arguments and work he’s made claims that he taught Joe Rogan about DMT and that the Joe Rogan podcast was his idea that he told Joe to do. I’m pretty sure he also invented water… Aaaaand SARCASM? WHAT Sarcasm! haha!

  • Monkey See Monkey Do

    Right wing conspiracy theorists are a dime a dozen, Jan is just another one. Jan Irvin and Gnostic media used clever marketing tactics on counter-cultural and psychedelic groups with films like ‘the pharmacratic inquisition’. This enabled him to introduce people to their right-wing ideology. (trivium – a roman catholic learning system & Ayn Rand capitalism)

  • http://www.facebook.com/raumffisch Walter Werner

    one question to jan irvin and all of his research: so what?

  • drew hempel

    Jan has a history of faulty logic which is ironic considering his “trivium” obsession and people point out his logical errors regarding his projecting into this FOIA response. I exposed Jan blatantly misquoting Albert Pike, claiming Pike said something about the trivium as part of the Pythagorean triangle. http://fulllotusqigong.blogspot.com/2012/10/jan-irvin-has-fake-citation-in-trivium.html For all the details on Jan Irvin using a fake twisting of Albert Pike in Jan Irvin’s supposed “truth” teachings. haha.

    • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

      update, perhaps relevant

      see Jan Irvin “up his game” and improve his credibility here:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTFfiB_Z8BM

      (dated to 2013-04-13)

  • http://www.facebook.com/mechanitis.echeverri Mechanitis Echeverri

    Please please McKenna take me IN YOUR TEAM in!! to wake them up, I want to help people to WAKEEE up

  • http://www.facebook.com/Gabrieldroberts Gabriel Roberts

    Thanks to all who have contributed to the discussion. I wanted to get a feel for what the rest of the world thought of this document. If anyone needs more info or is interested in what Jan has to say, I encourage you to visit gnosticmedia.com. He did the hard work, (whether people agree with him or not) to look into things many of us haven’t had the time or interest to pursue, so I want to make sure he at least gets the credit for that. As for the question of his affiliation with the CIA, I find it unlikely for a number of reasons: 1) TM was broke much of the time and had trouble paying his medical bills when he was sick. 2) Religion was already controlling the masses quite nicely, introducing psychedelics to the discussion would have been counterintuitive, since it dissolves the boundaries of culture. 3) He made too much sense too often, the proof is in the pudding. Finally, these things are very hard to pull apart and we may never know, but we can draw a great deal of inspiration from the man. If that’s not satisfying, then perhaps you can take a piece of advice from the man (Terence McKenna) himself: “There is no closure, you have to deal with the messiness of the mystery.”. Cheers all!

    • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

      I love your style.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Gabrieldroberts Gabriel Roberts

    Playing devil’s advocate here: If we did a CIA request form for Jan Irvin, would the rejection letter look exactly the same? Would it be proof that the form is a general rejection? It’s amusing to think about. What if it came back and confirmed Jan? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, it’s all too much to handle!

    • Calypso_1

      [ I ] <–aforementioned representation of an unknown or at times partially known
      entity

      Cannot disclose any associations with [supposed]
      Jan Irvin nor said dealings with or the
      possibility of dealings with myself [ I ] or any associates [we], Jan
      Irving
      might not have engaged in related to plants, gill-bearing
      aquatic craniates or realities to which ████████████ ██████████
      therein ███ ██████████ , XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ██████████████████████ (HRM). Furthermore, any effort on the part of
      parties claiming to be Jan
      Irving
      to ████ ████ shall not at anytime be construed
      as an admission of ████ pursuant to section ████████████████████ Act,
      Subsection ███████, 17b.

    • tardnarc

      how about you try it and see? i’m not committed to any particular outcome here, and i don’t think that jan proves his case, but a lot of the arguments used against him fracking suck.

  • omnisquid

    do it!

  • http://twitter.com/MckennaForum McKennaForum.com

    Can we please stop giving this Irvin moron and his insane ideas attention?

    • Brian P Akers

      Another example of the ‘hard core’ of ‘Mckennites’ hurling Ad hominem attacks towards any and all that might question the reputation of their favorite psychedelic priest.
      Have any of the (very few) members of the mckennaforum.com actually studied Jan Irvins evidence?
      (I’d suggest it’s safe to doubt that such rigorous investigations have taken place).
      Maybe the acolytes feel they have something better to do with their time…

  • http://www.facebook.com/JimmyHolley1 Academician Lucko

    they arent interested in facts.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MOKTJVKIWNQ7QPGFPJU7DDA6WE mazigazi

    er, and? the feds are always trying to make it look like counter culture people are working FOR them. check out the recent crap that they tried to pin on Richard Aoki!! and even all the crap about Leary being an agent has turned out to be hyperbole (any “names” he gave up were already on their books, and he knew this). and Terence’s beloved Grateful Dead were said to be FBI agents for years and years after the bust in New Orleans!! utter crap!

  • http://www.teamdave.com/ teamdave™

    ok lets all move on. nothing to see here. this Jan guy has taken up enough of our time. his 5 minutes of fame is up

  • http://www.teamdave.com/ teamdave™

    its called humor you fucking twat

    • tardnarc

      what a strange and unfamiliar concept

  • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

    I heard the “trivium = 3 quadrivium = 4 and your senses = 5″ line from someone who heard it from Jan Irvin. That someone connected it to the Pythagorean triangle too. I don’t know if they tried to connect all of it to Albert Pike, like Jan Irvin. I heard it ~2 years ago. I really liked that little “meme” or whatever you want to call it. It stuck with me.

    That link you gave really does show that Jan Irvin twisted the truth to create the meme. And that he became condemnatory and evasive when you (or whoever) pointed that out. So disappointing.

    But, hey, it’s still a catchy idea. As long as 3-4-5 trivium+ is used as a method of honest rational inquiry, rather than as a “cult of logic” or argument-from-authority, I still like it.

    • tardnarc

      even without getting into the contentious area of psi research, it is well-established that humans have more than five senses

  • http://www.facebook.com/trevor.gill.180 Will Yam

    You are not a very fun guy.

    • tardnarc

      i am devastated by your use of an incredibly cliche pun to express your opinion of me

  • Brian P Akers

    tardnarc: i’m feeling generous… 6.2/10.

    not bad (i’m impressed).

  • uncle gilly

    Actually this was a very funny comment.

  • uncle gilly

    Actually this was a very funny comment.

  • siphersh

    Jan Irvin is a useless idiot.

    • Calypso_1

      au contraire
      useless
      Usefull

  • siphersh

    Oh, I think I get it.

    On his site in the discussion of this document, Jan Irvin says:

    >>it very clearly says their search revealed “an openly acknowledged affiliation””<<

    This guy is obviously loose in the head.

  • Matt Kukowski

    Terence McKenna always talked about how he was putting himself at risk in talking about the things he talked about. Terence was a mature thinker. He knew the name of the tune… although I think that he was ‘on the fence’ about UFO’s (which we now know to be Anti gravity levity discs invented by JOHN SEARL and others)

    But, Terence did not have the Internet and you tube like the rest of us do now. Yet, Terence McKenna was able to make uncanny predictions about post 2012 ‘birth pains’ … and he revealed scientific secrets about all kinds of things.

    Terence changed the minds of scientists all around the world, to think more clearly and objectively but with all the subjectivity stuff in mind.

    No, Terence mcKenna was a real life SHAMAN… he lived on the out skirts of ‘town’ in Hawaii which is peripheral to the America. I would say, Terence was the closes things to a ‘white man’ SHAMAN that there is.

    He was welcomed by Tim Leary as one of the 5 most important person alive at that time… just listen to the man speak… he was a talking Library and then some,

  • fenris23

    The CIA response is we have nothing to tell you but we wouldn’t have to tell you if we did. That’s not evidence of anything.

  • https://twitter.com/PeerlessWarrior Morphic

    McKenna in his own words was surprised by the lack of interest from governmental institutions in him. There is a great bit on it in one of his lectures. He basically states that he’s simply not interesting enough from an intelligence point of view.

  • siphersh

    Someone should tell this guy that he’s a CIA agent:

    http://www.blueheronblast.com/2013/08/foia.html

  • Bob

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj1yFZRmFsw

    Has anybody here reviewed this lecture given at Esalen by Terence? (See hours 4:21:50 – 4:24:05. I don’t know quite what to make of all this information as of yet but this seems very explicit.

  • Kat

    nothing concrete. and the cia? you trust that source?? please. (thugs then and now)